Ministry - Same Old Madness (Live 1982)

[seedstopot]

Wow pretty cool sound considering when it was made. You can really hear the transition into the later albums like the land of rape and honey and so on. If you can also give me a link or more info where to find this that would be awesome.

[mrsoundwave]

where did u get this song from................can you send me this song or send me a link at where i can download this at

[Renwoodpeaches]

Happy Ministry FTW! Watching and dancing with hot goth chicks dance to muisc like this in super rare goth dance clubs is time well spent.

[juanapedia]

This is just simply amazing...wish they had continued in this direction

[Ilharess84]

Very joung! ;) Pretty Guys! :D

[samealalan]

stephen george is actually a pretty god damned good producer / mixer. he's still in the game to!

unfortunately i don't think we will see this kind of thing happen again.

[LordNothing]

this song is cool! love ministry, whatever era, whatever year, Al is great!

[Silks]

someone play this for Al every night while he's sleeping so we can remind him that every song doesn't need speed metal guitars to be good.

[machinecrusade]

viva hypo luxa

[jerra73]

Fantastic music...

[max4639]

КЛААААААС

[danielscissorhands]

Nice fake British accent, Al. lol

[PetuniaRoseProd]

Hear those drums? Stephen George was a great drummer.

[XxXRammsteinxRoXxXxX]

Excellent! They were great. Now that I've heard "With Sympathy", i don't think i can go back to the 'newer' ministry.

[777nightowl777]

look bottom line old ministry or new als a musical genious it all amazing and yes al is also a dick and could care less about his fans as long as the money is rolling in but fuck that just listen to the music people

[mateuszmattias]

Al Jourgensen or Alain Jourgensen. Judging from the comments I guess it's a matter of personal taste. Out of the bunch I'd say my favourite is Alien Jourgensen.

[UNTERKUNST]

haha who wouldve thought al j was actually cuban born in havana. highlarious. obviously he's always had identity issues. good track though

[diees]

Same old madness...lemon madness!

[10Hours1Minute]

Very long intro...

[TheAngelGabriel7]

amazing!!!!!! i love all ther early stuff!!!!!

[Scrap5000]

This is cool for 82...actually, the more I listen to it, it's cool for all time

[jerman2003]

I love this version with the guitars.

[gohdan]

so Daf

[nikitakontiki]

yep....al took alain's sense of humor along with his english accent....

[fernando0372]

@nikitakontiki

he's not english he's cuban

[mparusz]

beginning in pop music

end in industrial metal ...awesome band :)

[lolliwag]

this is Ministry I love...Gothy synth-pop, baby! Wish Uncle Al would release a compilation disc of all Nuwave stuff & I mean "ALL" the synthy nuwave stuff he did back in late 70s & throughout entire 80s decade. Singles, unreleased cuts, Live versions, Bootlegs, Rare studio Trax, Demo Versions, throw away Trax, everything mutha fucka!

[dwilla]

@lolliwag That's a box set I'd like to see!

[dubgreen76]

@lolliwag - He doesn't even consider this shit part of his cataolg....I doubt that'll happen anytime soon....like never.

They weren't like this throughout the entire 80's...maybe early but that's it. Twitch, The Land of Rape and Honey and A Mind is Terrible Thing to Taste was 85 to 90...and those aren't anything like this bullshit.

Fucking idiot

[junkyturd]

@dubgreen76 This isn't bullshit! it's actually pretty cool shit!

[jerman2003]

@lolliwag EARLY TRACKS was nice. Although it was in mono.

Plus, Same Old Madness is nowhere to be found.

[NYKgjl10]

Hell yeah!!!!!....,.One of my favorites from Ministry......They don't make classic music like this anymore.

[Maverick6429]

Even better than the studio recording. Love this song. 

[xxtiaan]

recorded during their little known flaming-homosexual-synthpop phase

[olmecbones]

@xxtiaan Not little known at all...

[xxtiaan]

@olmecbones thank god they hit the smack is all i can say

[777nightowl777]

@xxtiaan its called the 80s but i wouldnt expect you to remember you were suckin on your moms tits if that you wouldnt say that to his face

[xxtiaan]

@777nightowl777 actually I love loads of shit from the 80's residents, nina hagen, cure, siouxsie, bauhaus, neubauten etc, but all those people were in their prime in the 80's, ministry were awful in the 80's (IMHO) and didnt hit their stride till they sampled guitars

[MANHATTANWRI]

seriously

solid

thank

you!!!



[RdpstaR]

im not saying i dont like it

but compare this to stigmata

[qwq45]

whenever i see him i yell wheres the accent mate.lmfao.not him though he cringes then acts like a tough guy.what kind of a money and fame whore must you be to sing and talk wsith a fake accent dress like depeche mode then say the record label made me boohoo

[royalnash]

all ministry is not after early trax they changed to more of a harder sound and I think that sound sucks and a lot of people agree with me

[ec101dm]

the bass line sounds a lot like DAF !

[TheEduardo4]

@ec101dm Yes. Der Mussolini comes to mind

[das81]

@ec101dm DAF was a great thing back in the early 1980's in the electronic scene.

[malyfromhell74]

extra bits, extra track, amazing, i love Ministry and All Jourgensen

[edlukoyanov]

best ministry's song ever. thnx for posting.

[superstition2]

It's too bad he adopted the fake British accent for a lot of the early stuff. I don't hear it here, which is better. Ministry really could have made better records before TLoRaH, which is the only outstanding record. Songs like this show the direction the early sound should have gone.

[simpsonNirvana94]

Al's best stuff is 'Filth Pig' and below. 10/10!!!!!

[thenumber1danaladd]

If i could go back in time for ten minutes .. id go back to see this live

[amandacorrin]

thank you so much for posting this.

[fiend1669]

This is ministry. I'm amazed. It doesnt suck ass. Most Ministry has no rhythm and is drowned out by horribly over distorted guitars, but this shit is so catchy. I know allan jourgensen hates this album, but I think doing too much heroine made him forget what good song structure was. I saw them live back in 03 and I couldnt make out any notes being played it was just ear bleeding feedback and un legible screaming. Long story short ministry should have kept going in this musical direction

[jerman2003]

This old song rocks, too bad he turned his back on his old work.

[S3AN5here]

hah! Muse busted for Hysteria intro!

[Silks]

Interesting. Never heard this with a guitar in it. Great upload

[NecroWhore]

Fucking love that live analog sound!

[rivotrich7]

The live drums mixed with synths sound really cool

[simpsonNirvana94]

SWWEEEEETTT!!!!!1

[fstop77]

Wow! Does sound like DAF. Cool.

[showroommeryll]

lol copiants

[mrsoundwave]

looks like David Sterry next to al jorgenson

[bigbrownheapof]

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[mrshef666]

cool track :) the dude on Al's left looks like A C Slater :P haha thanks for the upload :)

[jerman2003]

@mrshef666 that's Stephen George

[SalvadeFlix]

the song and the picture like D.A.F.

[sumaccu]

You 'are in right...I too was going to write,but I believe that DAF are more rugged electronics

[noetek]

love this!!

[Dreddloxx]

Surely this isn't Al Jourgensen?!!

[MexicanHumanoid]

No, this is Alain Jourgensen. Practically a different dude.. I think Al murdered him.

[unguardedsmiles]

lolol

[TheHeroicRage]

He must have becuase hes a douchebag of a singer now.

[korndud]

apparently he's putting out a solo record, and going back to his synth pop roots!!!

[Relayer1968]

@korndud man, Ill bet he would blow our minds too if he did.

[atifirepro1]

@korndud Where did you read that?

[TheDerekVinyard]

@MexicanHumanoid Drugs murdered Alain......and Alien was born....

[teameymelli1]

@TheDerekVinyard lmao

[teameymelli1]

@MexicanHumanoid this is the English Al, LOL

[Maverick6429]

It sure is :)

[korndud]

wow, this sound really good live. love the synths.

[kerihobo]

was this song ever released on album? i'd really like it to be

[Locust1313]

Thanks for this early stuff. Oh he was cute back then, interesting. This kinda music is now the new rage, check the Yeah Yeah Yeahs = Heads will roll

[mrsoundwave]

is this audio clip that u have?could i get this song off of you

[TheUndert0ker]

in the pic, which is Al? It's hard to tell before tatts and dreds

[rivotrich7]

He's on the left

[Shoreth]

¿¿¿¿¿¿¿¿ministry???????

[iscaylis]

wow I've never heard any ministry from these days but this is actually good..

[VyleKyle]

I've been a Ministry fan since I was in middle school (I'm 26 now) and I just now heard this for the first time. This is definitely one of their best, and I like music from all periods of Ministry (even though I would rank "With Sympathy" and the so-called Bush trilogy last for a few reasons).

[AORCrazy]

Can't believe that asshole Al Joergensen did this AWESOME music!? What kind of a man does this kind of music clearly with much pleasure and than rejects it totally! He's two-faced!

[brandonskala]

c'mon, man. I'd say he made the choice to pursue another sound and pulled it off while successfully keeping a heroin addiction going, dropping his former lable and such. Lets not forget that before this (i agree) AWESOME music he was in a punk band. So basically he's just a versatile guy. Now he's got a great studio, is producing other bands and putting them on his lable. And anyway, when is a junky not a bit two-faced. Or three or four...

[AORCrazy]

I respect your opinion and understand what you're talking about but (i admit) am a bit old fashioned '80s electro fan and i'm touchy when it comes to sound. I just don't like that filthy guitar driven industrial sound with agressive text nor i like clear commercial pop but the point is why glorify a man who relinquishes the music he did before he became "enlightened"? That's just not me...

[djh74london]

well said!

No matter what you think of the person, he's been musically impressive and innovative the whole way through while doing it 'his way'...which has killed most others who have attempted such a path.

[ubit397]

Well said!

[Paulie88]

Not only did he do this great stuff, but he later disowned it, TOTALLY LYING and saying his early dance stuff was because the "label told him" what to do - As if he'd be doing bad speed metal in '82 instead of cool but sometimes ubergay techno? I like all his stuff up until about '88. Oh well, the bigger they are the harder they fall.

[brandonskala]

well, here again is a nifty factoid. He was doing somewhat bad speed metal-ish and thats a big ish, in and before 82. Anyone recall Chicago's Special Affect. Yup. Classic punk, Al style in '78- ?The lable did pull the strings on Ministry, trying to mold the sound into some kind of new Yaz w/ Al as teen sex-symbol frontman. (shiver) By disowning it he's giving the finger to the Company, not you or any other of his fans that like any other of his various music. Personally, I dig it all. Cheers!

[Paulie88]

I never thought he was giving the finger to any fans ever, just think that he needs to own more of it than he does - If he's embarrassed about what he was doing at the time, we ALL have things like that, why not say hey I gave it a try and moved on? Because that's exactly what happened as clearly evidenced by his catalog of material. (Same thing happening w Celtic Frost and their glam Cold Lake album - They call it an "abortion" but they own up to it.)

[sawyerboy13]

i thought al was from chicago. back in the late 80's early 90's he use to dj at exit. I use to always be requesting xymox, and he would say, do you want to hear some ministry, and I'd be like, not really, maybe old stuff though. He would get pissed because he didnt want to play the old.

[preacherman86]

Wha--wait, what?  Huh? Whuh? This is just... AL? IS THAT YOU?

[SalvadeFlix]

maybe, a little like D.A.F.

[industrialnyleon]

haha... I like Psalm 69

[rr58mm]

Look at Al! I always liked this song, dark for the time.

[PeterPursuit]

the left guy on the photo, is it Al ?

[campoobutt]

yep

[thegame890]

ohh this is great! I just listened to the song The Last Sucker and now this...

[lolliwag]

I must say though when the sound changed to industrial gothic punk on LORAH and MIATTTW and Animositisomina I was still very pleased with Jourgensen's knack for invention and Psalm 69 is also quite unique in the way more metal was thrown in. The Bush trilogy and DSOTS and Filth Pig are just so goddamn awful though...what the hell happened? Well, ya know...smack and such, hey, lol.

[pirjer]

If you hadn't put Filth Pig under the "awful" flag I would have thought you knew what you where talking about.

[lolliwag]

I appreciate U bringing that up. I'll admit FP has a sleeper quality to it. It's like a cult classic & aged very well throughout the years (14 years old, I believe). I can respectively yank it off the "Awful" Flag List. However, It's accurate to say when most fans first heard FP, they thought it was terrible 'cause it threw us off with rawness & slower tempos but when one doesn't dwell on "wanting it to be atypical Ministry" it has a refreshing & everlasting quality of itself.

[pirjer]

I came up a bit harsh in my previous post. Sorry abou that. I agree most people didn't like FilthPig when it came out. It is one of those you have to give a few listenings to "get into".. like much of Skinny Puppys work =) I can even say that I didn't like this early Ministry at först But now I often find myself listening to these early tunes to... would say at it all went downhill when Paul left.

[instinct8will]

i dissent. rio grande blood is really a good album. the thrash metal combination with industrial rhythms and samples is really catchy. that without mentioning the savagery it does display.

[mtrucco]

filthpig is my favorite, it's drone/sludge metal, watch the video for "the fall" it's a favorite :)

[lolliwag]

If Al hadn't become a heroin and cocaine junkie, there's a good chance he may have continued doing this awesome nuwave dance stuff and made an even better name for himself as this kind of artist. He did like three albums worth of this kind of sound and it's all far superior to the industrial metal he transgressed to and retired as. At least we have these awesome memories.

[instinct8will]

well. thats enterely your opinion which means, what?... well nothing really. Ministry became famous not because of their 80s depeche mode deviations but for its incredible nuisance projected in the industrial rock they made. on the other hand. drugs evidently improve the production from artists... there is a vast amount of bands to demonstrate this. coke and heroin has made much more for music and art than any pious conduct.

[mrsoundwave]

im on ARES music site all the time and have all early ministry song's to download for free.....including this song done,but it's not live

[kemicon]

Was there an album before With Sympathy? I never heard this song before, there's another live track I never heard either. I love the early sound, not super into the later stuff but I was in the 90s.

[Drittkladden]

"So So Life" and "Same Old Madness" were never released on any album. I don't know why...

They even have a video of "Same Old Madness" but I like this live performance better because the bassline and other things are much more raw here.

[fukuandieyuppieskum]

yeah dude i've never heard this either. what is Special Affect? a movie? anyways, this song kicks ass! sounds totally different than with sympathy

[kemicon]

Special Affect is Jourgenson on Guitar, Groovie Mann on vocals and the drummer of Concrete Blonde apparently. I think it was for a movie directed by the dude from My Life With the Thrill Kill Kult. He actually posted two live tracks on his YouTube page. I think the one is called too much soft living. Yeah this song is a little heavier and more like later industrial music. Someone should release the lost tracks if they are all this good.

[fukuandieyuppieskum]

so what was this like a "pre Ministry" proect or something? if they released music, i bet you can get it off utorrent or something?!

[ThePoisonDoor]

Sounds like they were listening to DAF (Alle Gegen Alle) or Cabaret Voltaire because in this song I hear traces of EBM. I think it fits easily into the category!

A great rarity + thanks for uploading

[chickendoodstudios]

When he said "Thank you" It sounded like he was gonna scream or something

[bluecollaryoga]

stephen gearge ROCKED on drums!!!

[NecroWhore]

WHY WAS THIS NEVER PRESSED?!?

[Mahmone]

on the left is the man himself.

[scumfuck20x3]

hahaha wait....is that al on the left in the picture?

[shueln]

That bass intro reminds me of Muse's hysteria. I'm sure its pure coincidence muse would have a similar baseline, i doubt they were listening to old school ministry.

[gothic1hobbit]

It's similiar but not quite the same.

[ttebroc235]

love the old stuff big time

[mrsoundwave]

they sound good in 1982 live

[oingofan]

Where in Detroit?

[myronfan]

Thanks so much for this one. I've got an extended play vinyl version of "I'm Falling". This song didn't get as much play at the club I used to attend back then. I like it.

[fuckinpartyman]

where could i download and/or buy this live version??

[newfiesteve]

fuckin awesome song all Ministry is good

[heliumtrophy]

Al, release this stuff. It's fashionable and who cares if you baffle the metalheads. This shit's good!

[unabummer]

Now it time on Sprokets when we DANCE!

[CadaverusMastication]

From what I heard of Special Affect, I thought it was a bit more "raw" than this. Kind of like art-punk or something...

[kemicon]

I found Special Affect on vinyl, it's a lot more polished than the live stuff on Youtube which makes it seem a little more punk than it actually is. Special Affect was just together for the movie of the same name I think.

[t1201971]

This is seriously fucking 10 times better than their post "Rape and Honey" output!!

[corsetcorrode]

it sorta starts sounding like a hokey halloween tune in there! i love it!

[dubbedcrazy]

old wave............trippy

[synthpopclassics]

funny it sounds like electro-wave. lol

[TheBlackPope666]

Yay, same old maddness!

[Arbow1986]

That's a nice Aussie accent that AL's got despite being from Chicago. And because he thought it was a good idea to play Ministy's Portland show completely shitfaced. Ministry is now my third favorite band.

[tommotomt]

nice one thanks for posting

[Neuschaefer]

cool song even dat iwas born in the 90's =(

[bundens]

i really really want this song..i know it's him putting these videos up

al i want this song...release it

[cman7142000]

you'll never get it from him.He hated playing this,so he said .i became a fan back in the day listening to this....

[clockwork11]

Wow, this song is catchy as hell

[cman7142000]

thats how they get ya.

[veriteez]

what is with the english accent? sounds like he was trying to fit in with the sound at the time. which is corny.

[M0L3CH]

He was. Ever hear of Special Affect? That was even "poppier" than early Ministry. Al was as New Wave as it got for quite some time, before he changed his mind and went Aggro.

[rivotrich7]

Love that synth bassline

[jerseyfidge]

thank you for this! now if only i could hop in a time machine and go back to see their wonderful early performances.