After all, the punishment has to fit the crime, and for those who commit violent crimes they more than deserve an almost violent experience in prison, w/o dying that is. Death is a blessing to someone who suffers greatly and that blessing cannot and should not be extended to violent criminals, period.
Cost doesn't sway some people's support for the death penalty b/c for them, it's really about retribution not justice. I took a philosophy class titled contemporary moral problems and we covered a range of topics including the death penalty and surprisingly every point you brought up against death penalty were used by the author of the article supporting your view. To me, the death penalty is simply an easy way out for the criminal. I vote they should suffer inhumanely w/ life imprisonment.
Everyone needs to stop fighting over whether the death penalty is wrong or not and start fighting for a better judicial system. It is so messed up and corrupt right now. If we fix the damn judicial system then the innocent people wont be put to death.
I use to be against the death penalty! That is until a man who had his death penalty sentence overturned and then borke out of the Huntsville Prison in Texas in 2008. He then killed my cousin and two other people a few months later. If he would had been put to death when he should have been, then three people would be alive and their families would not be suffering. You just CAN'T change some people. I agree with not putting innocent people to death.
@texdog33 The death penalty may not have stopped this from occuring either. You see the problem is if he was able to escape from prison, then he would of done it regardless. It shows the prison is to blame for not having security in place. If they had of been more secure those three people would still be alive. It's the incompetence of the prison that caused him to escape.
I guess another way to summarize my view on the death penalty is that it should probably be used less often, especially when the money isn't there for many other things, but I don't think that we should outright abolish it. I think the death penalty should still be left on the table as an option for, like I said, convicted BRUTAL murderers and terrorists who are plain and undisputedly guilty of their crimes. A bit generalized, but I think I made my point in support of it as clear as possible.
Now for my overall opinion on the matter: I support the death penalty, moreso from a moral aspect and somewhat "ignoring" the economic aspect of it as some might view. I do believe we can make significant improvements on the process, but for now, I think the death penalty should be restricted for convicted BRUTAL murderers and terrorists who are plain and undisputedly guilty of their crimes. As for people like Troy Anthony Davis where there's enough doubt, commute their sentence to LWP.
From an economic aspect, I am a bit more convinced that the death penalty isn't really sustainable. However, for a lot of supporters, there seems to be this notion that whatever the cost might be, they would rather see the ultimate punishment be brought onto a person who knowing and intentionallly took someone else's life than for them to be breathing. There are many things out there where money matters for most of us, but somehow for less people when it comes to capital punishment.
From a moral aspect, I look at it this way: Using the deterrence argument and how ineffective it is, by nature, none of us want to die anytime soon. The amazing thing is the fact that many murderers out there would rather spend the rest of their life in a prison they know they'll never be released from just for the sake of living than have to die for their crimes. Yet they didn't offer this opportunity for their victims, and most likely with much worse of methods than injection or shooting.
Would you rather save somebody who 'might be innocent' from getting killed, or save somebody whom is innocent from getting raped, sodomized, mutilated and tragically scarred for the rest of their lives? Now with people who've actually researched these psychos it has become clear that R.R. is the least dangerous of these people. It might not be cheaper, that being true. Lethal injection is not cheap, but why must we worry about being humane when these people had no worry about being humane?
Watch Mike Watkiss' interview with this monster. When he inquires 'so you didn't kill 14 people?' R.R. Turns and smirks at the camera. He had absolutely no remorse. Also no prison is 100% secure. Perhaps one of these monsters escapes and oh lets say rapes your little sister or a niece or daughter, I am not saying you have any of those, but that's something to think about.
Mr. Brown I feel that you have made some valid points in the ever-lasting debate that is the Death Penalty. You state how it is inhumane, morally wrong, cheaper and safer. However I must ask you a few things. Was Richard Ramirez thinking about how it was inhumane, and morally wrong when he killed 14 people, as well as raped, sodomized and quite frankly tortured people, making people claim loyalty to their devil?
@briggsy000 Well the brutal way is ALLWAYS the best thing ever isnt it? no it is not. first off its way lower then what you would expect for a modern society and is something that got done in medival europe, personaly i think that its time to stop something that was carried out so long ago, we live in the year 2011 and we still do this, its time for it to just stop and lets be less brutal, hell if someone was innocent they can just be let out of prison, the same thing can not be done with death.
If you don't believe in any other reason, the death penalty needs to GO because it is just illogical. To execute someone-for committing murder-makes no sense. When you sink to the level of a killer, you automatically give up the moral highground. As soon as you execute someone, innocent or not, you're automatically no better than that person because unless you're in immediate danger, there is NEVER a good excuse to kill a person.
When anyone pleads GUILTY and receives the DEATH PENALTY execution needs to be carried out immediately THAT DAY. Forensic science today should easily weed out the innocent. 20 years ago is another story.
@rickfayette Your argument holds no water. Biased confessions often occur in criminal cases -- should we execute a suspect solely based on their testimony, which could be erroneous? Additionally, and more importantly, the vast majority of court cases end in plea bargains, which result in guilty pleas -- this would result in far more executions of innocent human beings. Upholding a system which murders the innocent is the polar opposite of our justice system's intent.
@rickfayette Its never that simple. Some evidence may not be allowed in a trial that could potentially prove a person's innocence. Due to issues with DNA contamination and things of that nature, for someone to be found guilty of murder there is alot of acting that needs to be done in a court room. The death penelty is too risky to put in place. Especially when there is a possibility that a person is innocent. Jail for life, no perks, no parole, no excuses
You make a lot of good points amout why the death penalty should not be used and I agree with you but a new law in taxes that states if there is three or more eye witness to the crime then they will kill your in a month no chance to get out becouse if three people saw you then well... your gulity so i think that is the only good time to use the death penalty do you think that. O and if you kill someone i do think that you should be killed back just sayen
Lets see some piece of shit rapes a 3 year old girl to death.The cost to put this non human down.A high grade 45ACP 230 grain.about 50 cents.This hole cost line is bullshit.
@AmanoJyaku71 The cost comes from the amount of appeals that occur and the lawyers that are paid for by the state. Our justice system is flawed, and innocent people are put in prison for things they didn't do. People have been put to death for things they didn't do. It will cost, on average, one to four million dollars to put someone to death, but only 500,000 to a million dollars to keep someone locked away in jail for life. Why reward them with an easy sentence. Let them rot.
I don't know how prisons work over in America, but I am completely pro-death penalty for the british justice system. Over here, our prisons are like holiday camps. More money is spent on prisoners food than is spent on the average high school meal, and offendee's are given games consoles.
You've said it yourself, if people are crazy, what is a life sentance when they get one (15 years, with time off for 'good behaviour') going to do to them?
life in prison itself seems pretty fuked anyway - to the point wer death wud be preferable to being raped by big black men or muscly dudes wit swastika tattoos - ultimately if its cheaper to keep them ther then.. nice
and if prison overcrowding becomes a bigger issue than it is already, make soylent green..
if u dont get wat i mean - the movies worth watching
murders and rapists treat innocent people in terribly inhumane ways. inhumane = morally, not human. a person who deliberately violates or takes the life of another human being, I believe, does not even deserve the right to be called a human. people who show no empathy for others and take their lives in such cruel ways, as well as permanently damage the lives of those who are close to the victim, are simply monsters.
by choosing to take away the human rights of others, murders lose their own.
issue there dan, lets say 10 000 please get exacted a year and then all the sudden the death penalty is no more there is 10 000 MORE pleople in prison EVERY year sp that 1 000 000 EXTRA people in prison EVERY year ....... just saying
You want a killer/rapist/whatever in prison and/or dead.Yes dont kill them its inhumane,there are always mistakes being made ect ect but the simplest of all the reasons is that prison is a correctional facility.
You may desagree on wether it works or not but thats what it is. So simply put.By killing a man you nullify the purpose of the correctional facility .Ergo prisons dont have a point.Ergo no reason for prisons.So... No prisons and just death on the spot.Or imprisonment for the bad guys?
We need the roman death penealty throw em in a pit with a lion if they survive they go free oh and in minor cases give em a sword so they stand a chance
I am in no way a supporter of the death penalty, I could go on for hours about why I feel this way, but I think I could some it up with these two reasons why I hate it, and personally, I think it should be something talked about more often, it, to me at least, is a very hypocritical way to punish a criminal for a crime, for example, if someone were to murder hundreds of innocent people, putting them on death row would be no better then what he did to those people.
So wat? Think about innocent people dying because of these murders?! They need to be punished!! If their drunk when they do something bad, it makes it worse!
Most people who have been in jail or prison have been there multiple times, this means that they are likely to repeat offend, so your argument about not deterring violent crime is bunk.
Heaps of money is given to jails for free food, free accommodation and free gym. Some murderers and rapist live more high class lives than people in poor countries like Indian. There are homeless people who commit crimes to get accommodation.
And if the death penalty does take place we'd only kill the absolute worst criminals that have psychotically murdered and raped countless times so we'd be 100% sure they did those crimes.
@PiKalolz well then you would be wrong. What seems intuitive isn't necessarily the way things are. The death penalty is actually much more expensive. You could make it cheaper by denying appeals, but then you'd have a pretty messed up legal system.
@PiKalolz I'm not sure what each individual appeal costs (figure you have to pay everyone in the court's salary for the duration). But I know that the average death penalty case usually costs the state between 3-4 million dollars (which is the equivalent to about 100-125 years in prison).
@PiKalolz I did some more research and it appears that even WITHOUT the appellate process, the death penalty is more expensive. The reason for this is that "Captial trials" (trials where the death penalty is on the table) cost a lot more in extra investigation. Furthermore, there are special motions that the take time and money and jury selection is also prolonged.
yes, the people who make these scams are thieves, absolutely, no question about that.
but so are the people that fall for these scams, because the people that fall for these scams are looking for something for free, without paying for it.
and it wasnt a kid's idea of a vampire, after becomming scared of the dark, that did the crime either.
and it wasnt some fucking monster under the bed that did the crime either.
and it wasnt a ghost the did it either.
somebody took the gun, and somebody pointed the barrel at her head, and somebody pulled the trigger, somebody left finger prints on the gun, and the bullet was fired from a gun.
I would support a law that mandates that corporations, LLCs' and mid size businesses give you healthcare as part of the benefits, starting on day 1 of employment.
if a inosent person was ordered life in prison that would be more inhumane than killing them. haveing to live the rest of their life in a jail woundering why they were put in there. and very few cases r reopened to investigation. and also i know Texas tried to pass a law where if your on death row you can have 1 appeal hearing. that way it doesn't cost so much.
@spypengen If you're accidentally killing people with a ridiculously long appeals route how many do you think you're going to kill with only one available appeal?
2 if the deth penalty is in affect a "rational" person would only do it as a lasat resort
ex. if your broke and r going to die without robbing a bank you would risk dieing becaues your dead anyways but if your not going to die if u dont do it you and if you were going to do it you would basicly be kill yourself
@spypengen The 'overcrowding' would be several hundreds a year, if that. The prisons wouldn't be affected at all, especially seeing as most of those on death row spend ludicrous amounts of time in prison anyway.
first they want social security, and then unions, and now they want free healthcare, and then they'll want free housing, and then they'll want free food delivered to them by the government.
at some point, no must be the answer, because you CAN say yes, until nobody does anything for a living to support themselves.
its not my responsibility to support everybody else, while they do nothing.
@Macquarie81186 Yeah, I mean in the UK we abolished capital punishment 40 years ago and our prisons are now petting zoos. Hell i'm having tea with a murderer in five minutes then i'm going to go and a whole bunch of murderers are going to go out drinking... -.-
@rikko338 the UK and the USA are entirely different.
you dont know the usa like I do.
believe me when I tell you this.
when you start doing FOR an American, he'll just start eating whatever your giving him, not think twice about it, and demand more, under MORE free conditions, until your just giving, giving and giving
Americans have a theft mentality, always wanting, and never wanting to earn it.
like a dog, start giving him new york strip steaks, and he'll never eat alpo again.
Isn't putting ppl in prison for life actually worse then simply killing them? I'd rather die than spend my life in prison... Also in my country there is no death penalty, and there are a lot less crimes than in the USA, AND ppl here have even less money than the Americans so we have more reasons to steal money. Weird, right?
I'm for the old west approach where if your willing to step out for a show down that's your choice. where if a man raped or killed your family you go fuckin kill them because its almost just as accurate with less bull. why?? because judges and police officers have to find guilty people it's called quota. This means if a perfect day where no laws where broken happens lots of people will still be arrested guilty or not.
@punkofdeath and also if solve a high profile case you get promoted. So lots of cops don't really care if your the one that committed the crime. They just want the fame and money. My friend randy was trying to be a cop and they straight told him don't join trying to protect and serve. When he told me that my hart broke knowing how messed up the US has really become.
Here's an argument. I walk in to my house to find the back door open, and my child, wife, best friend or sibling, dead on the floor of a stab-wound. I look out the open door and see the culprit, weapon still in hand, fleeing the scene. I chase him/her down, take the weapon, and put him/her to death. I would be arrested and tried for manslaughter. That means the victim's close friend/family has no right to kill the killer. In that case, what right does an UNCONCERNED THIRD PARTY have to do it?
i live in britan and i love living here because i don't have to put up with crap from the death penalty. All i think is that the death penalty is stupid. That's why britan banned the death penalty.
first i must say...i like your pink floyd bass...lol....but my input on the death penalty is that, i think its right. and i understand your say on the killing the innocent. but we dont know that they are innocent!!! so overall you know someone who is about to die is most likely praying so they shall most likely get saved moments before they die. so innocent or not i believe. WHY risk have the bad people than be safe...idk thats just me...PINK FLOYD
@zjkenn Actually, according to the innocence project, DNA evidence has exonerated hundreds of people who have been put to death. That's hundreds of people that we know were executed for a crime they never committed. Your argument about being "saved" is useless, since you can't prove that there's life after death. How would you feel is someone you loved was put to death and later found to be innocent? Would you say it was worth it?
@PriscillaRelentless Just for clarification,most of the 'hundreds' of people the innocence project found exonerated were serving 25-to-life prison sentences.15 of them were simply exonerated from death row and hadn't actually been put to death yet (this is grounds enough to eliminate the death penalty). No one who has been put to death in the US has been officially exonerated by any court so far.I agree the death penalty has no place in our society, but I just wanted to get the facts straight.
@cannedkitty You were right, a little more research reveals that my statistics were wrong. I didn't have time to verify if yours are correct, but since I know mine are not, I will defer to your knowledge on the subject.
@zjkenn Exactly right. You don't know that the innocent are not actually guilty and the innocent do. They'll have to live every day knowing that deaths are right around the corner. The question is then, would you like to be put on death row and executed because everyone else thought you were guilty even though you know yourself that you aren't? I wouldn't.
Instead of killing rapists and murderers, I think they should be made to live, with or without remorse (but preferably with), and to give back to the community in some way. No, community service won't revive the victims, but neither will killing the criminals. At least with the former option the community will be getting something out of them, and maybe - just maybe - with therapy, they will reform themselves.
"Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"
I find it strange that someone would think that killing a rapist or murderer would be just. That's revenge, not justice. Now, I'll be the first to admit that if someone raped or murdered someone I love, my initial reaction would be, "Kill the bastard!" But that itself would be an emotional response and not one ruled primarily by logic.
@megjett Watch "Fourteen Days in May" and it's available on YT. it's a BBC documentary about a black man in Mississippi executed for alleging murdering a shieff until they found out he was innocent.
@megjett (sorry for replying to an old comment) That is a point I never thought of. Moral outrage is just that, moral. And if we let our hearts rule our heads that entirely defeats the point of the so-called advanced world we have built. It's a good point, I like it.
@SirWinstonChurchill How compassionate and humane of you. That kind of talk just makes you sound exactly like the murderer. They completely disregarded logic, too, assuming they still had mind enough to reason with themselves.
@SirWinstonChurchill I never claimed to know what you are. I can, however, make inferences about your nature judged on what you say and how you say it, the latter of which is a bit difficult to decipher over the internet.
@megjett It is just because that rapist or murderer can still harm someone else while in jail. What if someone is in jail for a lesser crime and gets raped? If we can prevent that, why not?
@kjmehal So we should just kill to prevent things that may or may not happen, right? If the officers were doing their jobs correctly, rapes and murders would not occur in prisons. The death penalty teaches nothing except that killing is justifiable under certain circumstances. No one has the right to decide who deserves life and who deserves death.
@kjmehal What if someone is sentenced to death despite their innocence because of faulty DNA evidence? (It's happens more often than you may think.) Is it not worth the abolition of the death penalty to save those few innocent lives? Why is the executioner never put to death under these circumstances? They murdered an innocent person, did they not? Also, in case you weren't aware of the "cause of death" placed on death row inmates' death certificates, it is "homicide."
@megjett You do make a great case but think about how much money the government is putting towards serial killers, murderers, etc.I believe both cases make sense but the money put towards people that have no chance of ever getting out of prison could be used elsewhere in the country to better the lives of the citizens.
@blitzkrieg2671 If I can find the information online again, I'll link you to a source if you're interested. (I don't like having my integrity questioned, but it's perfectly understandable if you don't believe my word alone.) Moving on... The administering of lethal injections is more costly than keeping a criminal imprisoned for life. Lethal injection = approx. $1 million to $2 million per prisoner. Life imprisonment = approx. $25,000 per year per prisoner. TBC
@blitzkrieg2671 The pricetag of imprisonment wouldn't match the lowest given for lethal injection until the prisoner had been held for 40 years. These are approximations, of course, but the difference is still pretty huge and leans in favor of imprisonment, rather than capital punishment. You can't put a price on any human life though, so the cost, I think, should be of the least concern.
You can't put a price on someone's life, in a civilised and modern world, entrenched by pure law and not morals and ethics, theres simply no acceptable logic to the death penalty.
@fbtech98 except you have to sit through 20+ years of appeals before the guy actually is put to death, and get harassed by the media, and asked tons of questions concerning the murder constantly during that period, and even then, it might not happen, anyway, since most death sentences later get commuted on appeal. Also, less than 1% of all convicted killers are put to death, what about the other 99% of victim's families? Were they not important enough to get said treatment? Hmm?
hypotheticly, If I or my child were raped or murdered ect., I'd rather they spent the rest of their life rotting in prison, thinking of what they did instead of allowing them to take the easy way out. And YES! it is more expensive to kill people!! Haha no one ever thinks of that! Andandand if they're insane or really angry, wouldn't it make sense to put them in an insane asylum or anger management? Ha nah let's teach people not to kill by killing killers... o.O
The Eighth Amendment was adopted, as part of the Bill of Rights, in 1791. It is almost identical to a provision in the English Bill of Rights of 1689, in which Parliament declared, "as their ancestors in like cases have usually done...that excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”
@Fre3ZinRain The bill of rights wasn't actually accepted by Charles I whilst on the throne, it was just a declaration of parliament's thoughts on it's rights and liberties, they weren't actually given any form of prerogative until the act of settlement in 1700 by william of orange
@PunkAttitude8V are ALL of them guilty of the crime, though? No, they're not. So therefore, it's NOT an appropriate punishment, unless you're willing to hang yourself afterwards; after all, according to death penalty supporter's logic, anyone who kills an innocent person is a murderer who deserves to be killed; therefore, by corollary, you would fit the mold and deserve death yourself.
@Headhunter004 Once they have the accused suspects in custody. They should gain plenty of evidence to pinpoint the killer. Then we execute him or her.
@PunkAttitude8V Except there is no way to guarantee we won't execute innocent people, and if it turns out that you did execute someone who was, in fact, innocent the whole time, then guess what? By your own standards, you deserve to be put to death yourself, there's no 2 ways to go about this. And on top of that, there have been MANY cases of innocent people being framed for capital murder and put on death row because of crooked prosecutors, cops and judges, another reason why I'm against it.
@Headhunter004 I see what you mean, but if someone is accused of brutally killing innocent people. The police should take that person into custody. Before executing we need plenty of evidence to see if he is the killer. Once we pinpoint who the killer then we execute him. I'm sorry life imprisonment is NOT good enough for murder. Why should a person who kills innocent people live longer?
@PunkAttitude8V life imprisonment is not good enough, really? Then why do so many inmates commit suicide while in prison? Care to explain THAT one for me? Also, "we need plenty of evidence". The only problem with your theory is that crooked ass prosecutors often lie and make up evidence to get people wrongfully convicted (and they get a slap on the wrist when they get CAUGHT doing this), eyewitnesses often misidentify suspects, evidence is often hidden or manufactured to frame suspects, so no.
@Headhunter004 What if they don't commit suicide.? It doesn't matter how much misery their going through. They are still living longer than the innocent person they killed. If someone stabbed or shot one of your friends or family members. I'm sure you would want them executed as well I do.
Also, the death penalty is NOT--contrary to popular belief--a deterrent. States that still use the death penalty actually have MUCH HIGHER murder rates than states that DON'T use capital punishment. In 2008, for example, the average murder rate of states with the death penalty was 5.2, while the average murder rate of states without the death penalty was 3.3. In fact, this has ALWAYS been the case and the gap between the 2 murder rates has grown increasingly larger throughout the last 2 decades.
yeah because, if they go to prison, they live in prison, and some people dont understand how HORRIBLE AND UTTERLY MIND WRECKING prison is, and they would have to live through the pain that for the rest of their life, they're going to be stuck in a disgusting, dangerous, dark, cold pit :) so yeah, I think if they kill them, then they're just off the hook in "that way"
@BiteMe7771 exactly! They always say "oh, putting them in prison is letting them off too easy, death is the only just punishment" those people are either trolls or hopelessly naive, prison is NO picnic, ESPECIALLY Supermax prisons (where convicted killers serving life sentences generally go, anyway). They put them in cardboard boxes with almost nothing inside of them but concrete beds and a toilet (and MAYBE a sink), and they have to sit there 23 of 24 hours a day... def no walk in the park.
@Headhunter004 when i went to egypt (which has a very little violent crime) there prison system : a very small cell (idk how big but not very big i assure you) with a big hole were you go to pee and poop and they sit there no food or water or clother or anything unless there family brings it in. Thats why they dont have very many violent crimes because there prison system is worse than death
I agree that the death penalty is wrong, but I'm not completely committed to either side. While it would be awful to execute an innocent person, it is equally awful to let a guilty person who DOES deserve to die go free. I believe that worth of a civilization can be measured by the worth of it's least successful, worst (in all ways) citizen. Really, there shouldn't have to be prison or capital punishment. It all comes down to ethics and raising children correctly.
Agreed 100% Pogobat! I'm very much against the death penalty, too, for the exact same reasons you mentioned! I don't understand how any rational thinker can support it after seeing the facts, which you laid down perfectly in this video! Not only is it far more expensive than LWOP, and comes with the risk of executing innocent people, but it is not applied fairly at all, since rich, white killers NEVER get death sentences. How can an irreversible, unfairly-applied punishment be allowed to exist?
I agree, but if we were to resort to just, say, hanging an offender within a year of their sentece, then that's considerably cheaper than injecting them with a bunch of chemicals ten years later. Just sayin'
"The death penalty can be tolerated only by extreme statist reactionaries who demand a state that is so powerful that it has the right to kill."-Noam Chomsky. Anybody supporting the death penalty is, by this position, supporting rampant Statism and this position is antithetical to the view of liberty from a bloated central government.
I don't mind the death penalty, as long as it is done painlessly. No more frying them in front of an audience bullshit. The point of Capital Punishment is just to eliminate people who threaten society.
After all, the punishment has to fit the crime, and for those who commit violent crimes they more than deserve an almost violent experience in prison, w/o dying that is. Death is a blessing to someone who suffers greatly and that blessing cannot and should not be extended to violent criminals, period.
nlytend1 2 weeks ago
Cost doesn't sway some people's support for the death penalty b/c for them, it's really about retribution not justice. I took a philosophy class titled contemporary moral problems and we covered a range of topics including the death penalty and surprisingly every point you brought up against death penalty were used by the author of the article supporting your view. To me, the death penalty is simply an easy way out for the criminal. I vote they should suffer inhumanely w/ life imprisonment.
nlytend1 2 weeks ago
someone found a death penalty that was humane but they died in a high so the people who wanted death penalty didnt think it was a good idea
ThaNotSoEpicGeek 1 month ago
The death penalty isn't expensive, political and judicial red tape makes it expensive.
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Everyone needs to stop fighting over whether the death penalty is wrong or not and start fighting for a better judicial system. It is so messed up and corrupt right now. If we fix the damn judicial system then the innocent people wont be put to death.
texdog33 3 months ago
I use to be against the death penalty! That is until a man who had his death penalty sentence overturned and then borke out of the Huntsville Prison in Texas in 2008. He then killed my cousin and two other people a few months later. If he would had been put to death when he should have been, then three people would be alive and their families would not be suffering. You just CAN'T change some people. I agree with not putting innocent people to death.
texdog33 3 months ago
@texdog33 The death penalty may not have stopped this from occuring either. You see the problem is if he was able to escape from prison, then he would of done it regardless. It shows the prison is to blame for not having security in place. If they had of been more secure those three people would still be alive. It's the incompetence of the prison that caused him to escape.
jichaelmackson1958 1 month ago
Death penalty breaks UN's human right no. 3: "Everyone have the right to life."
Unitided States is like he only caoutry in the world than has this shit, together with Iraq, Afghanistan, Kongo... This does not belong in the west.
I'm really glad we don't have that bullcrap in Norway.
Berntisso 5 months ago
@Berntisso you're an idiot!
texdog33 3 months ago
@texdog33 Hm... Can you elaborate?
Berntisso 3 months ago
I guess another way to summarize my view on the death penalty is that it should probably be used less often, especially when the money isn't there for many other things, but I don't think that we should outright abolish it. I think the death penalty should still be left on the table as an option for, like I said, convicted BRUTAL murderers and terrorists who are plain and undisputedly guilty of their crimes. A bit generalized, but I think I made my point in support of it as clear as possible.
Juzlahindahaus 6 months ago
Now for my overall opinion on the matter: I support the death penalty, moreso from a moral aspect and somewhat "ignoring" the economic aspect of it as some might view. I do believe we can make significant improvements on the process, but for now, I think the death penalty should be restricted for convicted BRUTAL murderers and terrorists who are plain and undisputedly guilty of their crimes. As for people like Troy Anthony Davis where there's enough doubt, commute their sentence to LWP.
Juzlahindahaus 6 months ago
From an economic aspect, I am a bit more convinced that the death penalty isn't really sustainable. However, for a lot of supporters, there seems to be this notion that whatever the cost might be, they would rather see the ultimate punishment be brought onto a person who knowing and intentionallly took someone else's life than for them to be breathing. There are many things out there where money matters for most of us, but somehow for less people when it comes to capital punishment.
Juzlahindahaus 6 months ago
From a moral aspect, I look at it this way: Using the deterrence argument and how ineffective it is, by nature, none of us want to die anytime soon. The amazing thing is the fact that many murderers out there would rather spend the rest of their life in a prison they know they'll never be released from just for the sake of living than have to die for their crimes. Yet they didn't offer this opportunity for their victims, and most likely with much worse of methods than injection or shooting.
Juzlahindahaus 6 months ago
Would you rather save somebody who 'might be innocent' from getting killed, or save somebody whom is innocent from getting raped, sodomized, mutilated and tragically scarred for the rest of their lives? Now with people who've actually researched these psychos it has become clear that R.R. is the least dangerous of these people. It might not be cheaper, that being true. Lethal injection is not cheap, but why must we worry about being humane when these people had no worry about being humane?
Feidia 11 months ago
Watch Mike Watkiss' interview with this monster. When he inquires 'so you didn't kill 14 people?' R.R. Turns and smirks at the camera. He had absolutely no remorse. Also no prison is 100% secure. Perhaps one of these monsters escapes and oh lets say rapes your little sister or a niece or daughter, I am not saying you have any of those, but that's something to think about.
Feidia 11 months ago
Hello,
Mr. Brown I feel that you have made some valid points in the ever-lasting debate that is the Death Penalty. You state how it is inhumane, morally wrong, cheaper and safer. However I must ask you a few things. Was Richard Ramirez thinking about how it was inhumane, and morally wrong when he killed 14 people, as well as raped, sodomized and quite frankly tortured people, making people claim loyalty to their devil?
Feidia 11 months ago
i think we should kill all them fuckers!!!
briggsy000 1 year ago
@briggsy000 Well the brutal way is ALLWAYS the best thing ever isnt it? no it is not. first off its way lower then what you would expect for a modern society and is something that got done in medival europe, personaly i think that its time to stop something that was carried out so long ago, we live in the year 2011 and we still do this, its time for it to just stop and lets be less brutal, hell if someone was innocent they can just be let out of prison, the same thing can not be done with death.
extrudatinoal 10 months ago
If you don't believe in any other reason, the death penalty needs to GO because it is just illogical. To execute someone-for committing murder-makes no sense. When you sink to the level of a killer, you automatically give up the moral highground. As soon as you execute someone, innocent or not, you're automatically no better than that person because unless you're in immediate danger, there is NEVER a good excuse to kill a person.
fullclip16117 1 year ago
I thought that death penalty should be legal, but you sir, just opened my eyes.
aFinnsTheory 1 year ago
When anyone pleads GUILTY and receives the DEATH PENALTY execution needs to be carried out immediately THAT DAY. Forensic science today should easily weed out the innocent. 20 years ago is another story.
rickfayette 1 year ago 9
@rickfayette Your argument holds no water. Biased confessions often occur in criminal cases -- should we execute a suspect solely based on their testimony, which could be erroneous? Additionally, and more importantly, the vast majority of court cases end in plea bargains, which result in guilty pleas -- this would result in far more executions of innocent human beings. Upholding a system which murders the innocent is the polar opposite of our justice system's intent.
jackrm 11 months ago
@rickfayette Please don't think that is the case, it is not.
Berntisso 5 months ago
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@rickfayette Please don't think that is the case, it is not.
Berntisso 5 months ago
@rickfayette Obviously you haven't watched Prison Break.
TheMarcelism 2 months ago
@rickfayette Its never that simple. Some evidence may not be allowed in a trial that could potentially prove a person's innocence. Due to issues with DNA contamination and things of that nature, for someone to be found guilty of murder there is alot of acting that needs to be done in a court room. The death penelty is too risky to put in place. Especially when there is a possibility that a person is innocent. Jail for life, no perks, no parole, no excuses
jichaelmackson1958 1 month ago
Put 'em in a shooting range with some red necks! Fun for them and the goverment doesn't have to pay to kill them.
thehumangoing 1 year ago
You make a lot of good points amout why the death penalty should not be used and I agree with you but a new law in taxes that states if there is three or more eye witness to the crime then they will kill your in a month no chance to get out becouse if three people saw you then well... your gulity so i think that is the only good time to use the death penalty do you think that. O and if you kill someone i do think that you should be killed back just sayen
DARKRAIMASTER9 1 year ago
Lets see some piece of shit rapes a 3 year old girl to death.The cost to put this non human down.A high grade 45ACP 230 grain.about 50 cents.This hole cost line is bullshit.
AmanoJyaku71 1 year ago
@AmanoJyaku71 The cost comes from the amount of appeals that occur and the lawyers that are paid for by the state. Our justice system is flawed, and innocent people are put in prison for things they didn't do. People have been put to death for things they didn't do. It will cost, on average, one to four million dollars to put someone to death, but only 500,000 to a million dollars to keep someone locked away in jail for life. Why reward them with an easy sentence. Let them rot.
mskillzeee 1 year ago
I don't know how prisons work over in America, but I am completely pro-death penalty for the british justice system. Over here, our prisons are like holiday camps. More money is spent on prisoners food than is spent on the average high school meal, and offendee's are given games consoles.
You've said it yourself, if people are crazy, what is a life sentance when they get one (15 years, with time off for 'good behaviour') going to do to them?
MarcoAmane 1 year ago
life in prison itself seems pretty fuked anyway - to the point wer death wud be preferable to being raped by big black men or muscly dudes wit swastika tattoos - ultimately if its cheaper to keep them ther then.. nice
and if prison overcrowding becomes a bigger issue than it is already, make soylent green..
if u dont get wat i mean - the movies worth watching
k35magnum 1 year ago
treat others the way you want to be treated right? but yea its all about the money.
pro2343 1 year ago
murders and rapists treat innocent people in terribly inhumane ways. inhumane = morally, not human. a person who deliberately violates or takes the life of another human being, I believe, does not even deserve the right to be called a human. people who show no empathy for others and take their lives in such cruel ways, as well as permanently damage the lives of those who are close to the victim, are simply monsters.
by choosing to take away the human rights of others, murders lose their own.
Bgirl01685 1 year ago
issue there dan, lets say 10 000 please get exacted a year and then all the sudden the death penalty is no more there is 10 000 MORE pleople in prison EVERY year sp that 1 000 000 EXTRA people in prison EVERY year ....... just saying
waytokrazy 1 year ago
dan sounds like Rex from Toy Story Thumbs up if you agree!!!
12341smiley 1 year ago
killing will create karma in your next lives
dumbtrooper 1 year ago
shit wtf?
what the shit are you talking about?
Entonderloser 1 year ago
You want a killer/rapist/whatever in prison and/or dead.Yes dont kill them its inhumane,there are always mistakes being made ect ect but the simplest of all the reasons is that prison is a correctional facility.
You may desagree on wether it works or not but thats what it is. So simply put.By killing a man you nullify the purpose of the correctional facility .Ergo prisons dont have a point.Ergo no reason for prisons.So... No prisons and just death on the spot.Or imprisonment for the bad guys?
Fireonmyhand 1 year ago
We need the roman death penealty throw em in a pit with a lion if they survive they go free oh and in minor cases give em a sword so they stand a chance
Chris9ian 1 year ago
Bullets are cheaper. Work smarter, not harder.
albinio157 1 year ago 2
We kill people to show people that killing people is wrong. That's cool.
chocoloto0419 1 year ago
I am in no way a supporter of the death penalty, I could go on for hours about why I feel this way, but I think I could some it up with these two reasons why I hate it, and personally, I think it should be something talked about more often, it, to me at least, is a very hypocritical way to punish a criminal for a crime, for example, if someone were to murder hundreds of innocent people, putting them on death row would be no better then what he did to those people.
JustinTylerAllen 1 year ago
@JustinTylerAllen Yea but without it we would have to pay to house him and when he got out he could do it again
Chris9ian 1 year ago
...dan for president.
You'll probably do better than the last 10 combined.
Altoclarinets 1 year ago
So wat? Think about innocent people dying because of these murders?! They need to be punished!! If their drunk when they do something bad, it makes it worse!
onearkgirl 1 year ago
"It's cheaper" So? Our justice system should be about JUSTICE not about money.
kjmehal 1 year ago
Maybe your government should waterboard them so they think they are dead.
planetrockford 1 year ago
Most people who have been in jail or prison have been there multiple times, this means that they are likely to repeat offend, so your argument about not deterring violent crime is bunk.
guitarist4God20 1 year ago
i think you're awesome (: and i totally agree, it makes a lot more sense for people to be put in jail for life rather than murdered.
TheBezaye 1 year ago
i believe jail is more expensive than death.
Heaps of money is given to jails for free food, free accommodation and free gym. Some murderers and rapist live more high class lives than people in poor countries like Indian. There are homeless people who commit crimes to get accommodation.
And if the death penalty does take place we'd only kill the absolute worst criminals that have psychotically murdered and raped countless times so we'd be 100% sure they did those crimes.
but that's just me =)
PiKalolz 1 year ago
@PiKalolz well then you would be wrong. What seems intuitive isn't necessarily the way things are. The death penalty is actually much more expensive. You could make it cheaper by denying appeals, but then you'd have a pretty messed up legal system.
teoeo 1 year ago
@teoeo really? how much does an appeal cost?
PiKalolz 1 year ago
@PiKalolz I'm not sure what each individual appeal costs (figure you have to pay everyone in the court's salary for the duration). But I know that the average death penalty case usually costs the state between 3-4 million dollars (which is the equivalent to about 100-125 years in prison).
teoeo 1 year ago
@PiKalolz I did some more research and it appears that even WITHOUT the appellate process, the death penalty is more expensive. The reason for this is that "Captial trials" (trials where the death penalty is on the table) cost a lot more in extra investigation. Furthermore, there are special motions that the take time and money and jury selection is also prolonged.
teoeo 1 year ago
@teoeo wow i didn't know it was that expensive though i don't believe we should be wasting money like that.
(btw: i don't actually care whether the death penalty is a thing or not. I just find debating interesting.)
PiKalolz 1 year ago
yes, the people who make these scams are thieves, absolutely, no question about that.
but so are the people that fall for these scams, because the people that fall for these scams are looking for something for free, without paying for it.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
I just tell them this.
a stamp costs 50 cents, if I really won the nigerian lottery, I'll buy a stamp, and send it to ya, and you can mail me my ticket for free. LOL
you can't win shit, unless you play.
if you play, you can lose, but if you dont play, you'll never win.
a thief like an American never understands that.
and when they do play, they'll just keep playing until they lose everything they have, because they dont know when to QUIT playing.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
and it wasnt a kid's idea of a vampire, after becomming scared of the dark, that did the crime either.
and it wasnt some fucking monster under the bed that did the crime either.
and it wasnt a ghost the did it either.
somebody took the gun, and somebody pointed the barrel at her head, and somebody pulled the trigger, somebody left finger prints on the gun, and the bullet was fired from a gun.
it wasnt fired from a straw.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
somebody sure as hell did the crime though !
it wasnt the fairy fucking godmother that did it.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
Im Macquarie81186, so from now on, respond to me.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
if you want healthcare ?
I would support a law that mandates that corporations, LLCs' and mid size businesses give you healthcare as part of the benefits, starting on day 1 of employment.
not a free ride.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
if you want to abolish the death penalty, I really dont care.
go for it.
but dont tell me its more humane, because I really dont care how humane or inhumane it is.
the murderer sure wasnt humane to his victims.
and this society sure as hell aint humane to its own people, and neither is any other society, when the truth is told.
we really put people through fucking hell and high water.
the only arguement that I'll take into my consideration is the economics.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
also
if a inosent person was ordered life in prison that would be more inhumane than killing them. haveing to live the rest of their life in a jail woundering why they were put in there. and very few cases r reopened to investigation. and also i know Texas tried to pass a law where if your on death row you can have 1 appeal hearing. that way it doesn't cost so much.
spypengen 1 year ago
@spypengen If you're accidentally killing people with a ridiculously long appeals route how many do you think you're going to kill with only one available appeal?
rikko338 1 year ago
1 what about overcrowding building more prisons
2 if the deth penalty is in affect a "rational" person would only do it as a lasat resort
ex. if your broke and r going to die without robbing a bank you would risk dieing becaues your dead anyways but if your not going to die if u dont do it you and if you were going to do it you would basicly be kill yourself
spypengen 1 year ago
@spypengen we dont give a fuck why you robbed a bank.
motive doesnt even have to be proved.
all we must prove, is that you robbed a bank.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
@spypengen its a very simple question, when you go to trial.
did you rob a bank ?
we dont want to hear explanations, excuses, motives, or anything like that.
its irrelevant.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
@spypengen you dont have to rob a bank to survive.
we have soup kitchens and bread lines, and shelters.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
@spypengen The 'overcrowding' would be several hundreds a year, if that. The prisons wouldn't be affected at all, especially seeing as most of those on death row spend ludicrous amounts of time in prison anyway.
rikko338 1 year ago
its called the "pampered kid effect"
when you do too much for your kids,
he'll stick his foot out, for you to put his shoes on FOR him.
lmao
Macquarie81186 1 year ago
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and guess what ?
im not going to.
Macquarie81186 1 year ago
just like now,
first they want social security, and then unions, and now they want free healthcare, and then they'll want free housing, and then they'll want free food delivered to them by the government.
at some point, no must be the answer, because you CAN say yes, until nobody does anything for a living to support themselves.
its not my responsibility to support everybody else, while they do nothing.
Macquarie81186 1 year ago
but, hey.....why have a crime rate, when we can just legalize murder, and accept the murderous behavior.
lmao !
Macquarie81186 1 year ago
and they'll want to do all this, over the fact that the victims were real people.
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Macquarie81186 1 year ago
I dont know what to support.
because if we abolish the death penalty, then they'll want to turn our prisons into luxury hotels.
and then after our prisons are as luxurious as the Trump Taj Mahal, then they'll want to abolish life without parole,
and then after that, they'll want to abolish 50 or 60 years.
and then they'll want to abolish prisons period, and make murderers do pushups in some camp.
and then, they'll want to abolish that, and not have a justice system at all.
Macquarie81186 1 year ago
@Macquarie81186 Yeah, I mean in the UK we abolished capital punishment 40 years ago and our prisons are now petting zoos. Hell i'm having tea with a murderer in five minutes then i'm going to go and a whole bunch of murderers are going to go out drinking... -.-
rikko338 1 year ago
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ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
@rikko338 the UK and the USA are entirely different.
you dont know the usa like I do.
believe me when I tell you this.
when you start doing FOR an American, he'll just start eating whatever your giving him, not think twice about it, and demand more, under MORE free conditions, until your just giving, giving and giving
Americans have a theft mentality, always wanting, and never wanting to earn it.
like a dog, start giving him new york strip steaks, and he'll never eat alpo again.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
@rikko338 we have TV commercials advertising ALL KINDS of bull shit ways to make a buck, while doing jack shit.
millions of Americans have actually fell for the, "you won the nigerian lottery" send us $ 200 for shipping, and we'll send you your winning ticket"
scams......
I actually seen my ex-brother in law, get on the fucking telephone, and order fake coupons, (to sell) LOL
after watching the infomercials.
why ? because we're fucking theives who want an effortless life.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
@rikko338 thats the kind of mentality Americans have.
if you do anything for an American, they'll just take more for free.
ProudAntarcticanMate 1 year ago
Isn't putting ppl in prison for life actually worse then simply killing them? I'd rather die than spend my life in prison... Also in my country there is no death penalty, and there are a lot less crimes than in the USA, AND ppl here have even less money than the Americans so we have more reasons to steal money. Weird, right?
CueCappa 1 year ago
death penalty is cool. killing is good.
davidxuling 1 year ago
wow, my thoughts exactly
NewgroundsOwnSBB 1 year ago
Wow thanks for your perspective, I never considered expenses as a hinderance when contemplating the death penalty before.
michmiss18 1 year ago
I'm for the old west approach where if your willing to step out for a show down that's your choice. where if a man raped or killed your family you go fuckin kill them because its almost just as accurate with less bull. why?? because judges and police officers have to find guilty people it's called quota. This means if a perfect day where no laws where broken happens lots of people will still be arrested guilty or not.
punkofdeath 1 year ago
@punkofdeath and also if solve a high profile case you get promoted. So lots of cops don't really care if your the one that committed the crime. They just want the fame and money. My friend randy was trying to be a cop and they straight told him don't join trying to protect and serve. When he told me that my hart broke knowing how messed up the US has really become.
punkofdeath 1 year ago
Nice pink floyd reference :D
wyominGangsta 1 year ago 12
Here's an argument. I walk in to my house to find the back door open, and my child, wife, best friend or sibling, dead on the floor of a stab-wound. I look out the open door and see the culprit, weapon still in hand, fleeing the scene. I chase him/her down, take the weapon, and put him/her to death. I would be arrested and tried for manslaughter. That means the victim's close friend/family has no right to kill the killer. In that case, what right does an UNCONCERNED THIRD PARTY have to do it?
punkeratheart 1 year ago
yeah the death penalty is barbaric, mental reconditioning for love would be better
HierPower 1 year ago
i live in britan and i love living here because i don't have to put up with crap from the death penalty. All i think is that the death penalty is stupid. That's why britan banned the death penalty.
anything333444 1 year ago
I agree with everything you just said. Good. Fucking. Job.
sofakingey 1 year ago
first i must say...i like your pink floyd bass...lol....but my input on the death penalty is that, i think its right. and i understand your say on the killing the innocent. but we dont know that they are innocent!!! so overall you know someone who is about to die is most likely praying so they shall most likely get saved moments before they die. so innocent or not i believe. WHY risk have the bad people than be safe...idk thats just me...PINK FLOYD
zjkenn 1 year ago
@zjkenn Actually, according to the innocence project, DNA evidence has exonerated hundreds of people who have been put to death. That's hundreds of people that we know were executed for a crime they never committed. Your argument about being "saved" is useless, since you can't prove that there's life after death. How would you feel is someone you loved was put to death and later found to be innocent? Would you say it was worth it?
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
@PriscillaRelentless Just for clarification,most of the 'hundreds' of people the innocence project found exonerated were serving 25-to-life prison sentences.15 of them were simply exonerated from death row and hadn't actually been put to death yet (this is grounds enough to eliminate the death penalty). No one who has been put to death in the US has been officially exonerated by any court so far.I agree the death penalty has no place in our society, but I just wanted to get the facts straight.
cannedkitty 1 year ago
@cannedkitty You were right, a little more research reveals that my statistics were wrong. I didn't have time to verify if yours are correct, but since I know mine are not, I will defer to your knowledge on the subject.
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
@zjkenn Exactly right. You don't know that the innocent are not actually guilty and the innocent do. They'll have to live every day knowing that deaths are right around the corner. The question is then, would you like to be put on death row and executed because everyone else thought you were guilty even though you know yourself that you aren't? I wouldn't.
clerecy 1 year ago
@tloskywalker1 I couldn't agree more. Jails shouldn't have weight rooms or TVs.. Its a place to lock up child molesters and other criminals.
PunkAttitude8V 1 year ago
what if they say I KILLED PEOPLE I DESERVE TO DIE!
nukeakitten 1 year ago
@nukeakitten They can killthemselfs then
supermanuman95 1 year ago
Dan only likes the idea of not having a death penalty because he's a criminal mastermind himself.
EyeDunnoUHHH 1 year ago
USA is an christian land and god dont want people to die in any case of how many he have killed God is to rescue dont killing!
ZonSkill 1 year ago
Instead of killing rapists and murderers, I think they should be made to live, with or without remorse (but preferably with), and to give back to the community in some way. No, community service won't revive the victims, but neither will killing the criminals. At least with the former option the community will be getting something out of them, and maybe - just maybe - with therapy, they will reform themselves.
"Why do we kill people who kill people to show that killing people is wrong?"
megjett 1 year ago
I find it strange that someone would think that killing a rapist or murderer would be just. That's revenge, not justice. Now, I'll be the first to admit that if someone raped or murdered someone I love, my initial reaction would be, "Kill the bastard!" But that itself would be an emotional response and not one ruled primarily by logic.
TBC
megjett 1 year ago 20
@megjett Watch "Fourteen Days in May" and it's available on YT. it's a BBC documentary about a black man in Mississippi executed for alleging murdering a shieff until they found out he was innocent.
publicmario17 1 year ago
@megjett (sorry for replying to an old comment) That is a point I never thought of. Moral outrage is just that, moral. And if we let our hearts rule our heads that entirely defeats the point of the so-called advanced world we have built. It's a good point, I like it.
rikko338 1 year ago
@rikko338 No problem. Always glad when I can give others food for thought.
megjett 1 year ago
@megjett
I would kill the fucker anyway, fuck logic, .38 beats logic everytime
SirWinstonChurchill 1 year ago
@SirWinstonChurchill How compassionate and humane of you. That kind of talk just makes you sound exactly like the murderer. They completely disregarded logic, too, assuming they still had mind enough to reason with themselves.
megjett 1 year ago
@megjett
How do you know what I am?
SirWinstonChurchill 1 year ago
@SirWinstonChurchill I never claimed to know what you are. I can, however, make inferences about your nature judged on what you say and how you say it, the latter of which is a bit difficult to decipher over the internet.
megjett 1 year ago
@megjett So you're saying they should torture them instead by saying that it's not just?
FireyFiringFire 1 year ago
@FireyFiringFire Who should torture whom? I want to make sure I'm clear on the parties you're referring to before I respond.
megjett 1 year ago
@FireyFiringFire I am referring to a rapist or murderer.
Why do you think that killing them is not logical? Even if it was because of an emotional response, it could still be logical.
Is it illogical because you think it's wrong to kill someone?
FireyFiringFire 1 year ago
@megjett It is just because that rapist or murderer can still harm someone else while in jail. What if someone is in jail for a lesser crime and gets raped? If we can prevent that, why not?
kjmehal 1 year ago
@kjmehal So we should just kill to prevent things that may or may not happen, right? If the officers were doing their jobs correctly, rapes and murders would not occur in prisons. The death penalty teaches nothing except that killing is justifiable under certain circumstances. No one has the right to decide who deserves life and who deserves death.
megjett 1 year ago
@kjmehal What if someone is sentenced to death despite their innocence because of faulty DNA evidence? (It's happens more often than you may think.) Is it not worth the abolition of the death penalty to save those few innocent lives? Why is the executioner never put to death under these circumstances? They murdered an innocent person, did they not? Also, in case you weren't aware of the "cause of death" placed on death row inmates' death certificates, it is "homicide."
megjett 1 year ago
@megjett "It," not "it's." Sorry 'bout that.
megjett 1 year ago
@megjett You do make a great case but think about how much money the government is putting towards serial killers, murderers, etc.I believe both cases make sense but the money put towards people that have no chance of ever getting out of prison could be used elsewhere in the country to better the lives of the citizens.
blitzkrieg2671 1 year ago
@blitzkrieg2671 If I can find the information online again, I'll link you to a source if you're interested. (I don't like having my integrity questioned, but it's perfectly understandable if you don't believe my word alone.) Moving on... The administering of lethal injections is more costly than keeping a criminal imprisoned for life. Lethal injection = approx. $1 million to $2 million per prisoner. Life imprisonment = approx. $25,000 per year per prisoner. TBC
megjett 1 year ago
@blitzkrieg2671 The pricetag of imprisonment wouldn't match the lowest given for lethal injection until the prisoner had been held for 40 years. These are approximations, of course, but the difference is still pretty huge and leans in favor of imprisonment, rather than capital punishment. You can't put a price on any human life though, so the cost, I think, should be of the least concern.
megjett 1 year ago
shorten the time between being put to death. then in one year is cheaper then 10 years.
fbtech98 1 year ago
You can't put a price on someone's life, in a civilised and modern world, entrenched by pure law and not morals and ethics, theres simply no acceptable logic to the death penalty.
GHUNIT50 1 year ago
@GHUNIT50 if there was a murderous insaine person that killed all of your family and friends wouldnt you want them dead?
fbtech98 1 year ago
@fbtech98 yes but think on the family to the man who is gonna die
ZonSkill 1 year ago
@fbtech98 except you have to sit through 20+ years of appeals before the guy actually is put to death, and get harassed by the media, and asked tons of questions concerning the murder constantly during that period, and even then, it might not happen, anyway, since most death sentences later get commuted on appeal. Also, less than 1% of all convicted killers are put to death, what about the other 99% of victim's families? Were they not important enough to get said treatment? Hmm?
Headhunter004 1 year ago
You should watch "The Life of David Gale." Awesome movie that talks about the death penalty. Available on Netflix.
LindseySugarBlossom 1 year ago
ok the pink floyd part just made my night....(seriously it's been going kinda crappy)
Stratocoaster08 1 year ago
hypotheticly, If I or my child were raped or murdered ect., I'd rather they spent the rest of their life rotting in prison, thinking of what they did instead of allowing them to take the easy way out. And YES! it is more expensive to kill people!! Haha no one ever thinks of that! Andandand if they're insane or really angry, wouldn't it make sense to put them in an insane asylum or anger management? Ha nah let's teach people not to kill by killing killers... o.O
LessThan3Jess 1 year ago
And most civalized countries have already eliminated the death penalty
TheSethBoom 1 year ago
PIIIIIIIIINK FLOOOOOOOOYYYD!!
cardinalbaseballer5 1 year ago
0:30 - 1:20 cruel and unusal punishment
The Eighth Amendment was adopted, as part of the Bill of Rights, in 1791. It is almost identical to a provision in the English Bill of Rights of 1689, in which Parliament declared, "as their ancestors in like cases have usually done...that excessive bail ought not to be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.”
basicaly the goverment cant torture anyone
no killing people is never humaine
wikipedia
Fre3ZinRain 1 year ago
@Fre3ZinRain The bill of rights wasn't actually accepted by Charles I whilst on the throne, it was just a declaration of parliament's thoughts on it's rights and liberties, they weren't actually given any form of prerogative until the act of settlement in 1700 by william of orange
GHUNIT50 1 year ago
The Death Penalty is always appropiate for killers and child molesters
PunkAttitude8V 1 year ago
@PunkAttitude8V damn straight
superryomafan 1 year ago
@superryomafan Thank you man. Your the first person to agree with me.
PunkAttitude8V 1 year ago
@PunkAttitude8V
no prob
superryomafan 1 year ago
@PunkAttitude8V are ALL of them guilty of the crime, though? No, they're not. So therefore, it's NOT an appropriate punishment, unless you're willing to hang yourself afterwards; after all, according to death penalty supporter's logic, anyone who kills an innocent person is a murderer who deserves to be killed; therefore, by corollary, you would fit the mold and deserve death yourself.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 Once they have the accused suspects in custody. They should gain plenty of evidence to pinpoint the killer. Then we execute him or her.
PunkAttitude8V 1 year ago
@PunkAttitude8V Except there is no way to guarantee we won't execute innocent people, and if it turns out that you did execute someone who was, in fact, innocent the whole time, then guess what? By your own standards, you deserve to be put to death yourself, there's no 2 ways to go about this. And on top of that, there have been MANY cases of innocent people being framed for capital murder and put on death row because of crooked prosecutors, cops and judges, another reason why I'm against it.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 I see what you mean, but if someone is accused of brutally killing innocent people. The police should take that person into custody. Before executing we need plenty of evidence to see if he is the killer. Once we pinpoint who the killer then we execute him. I'm sorry life imprisonment is NOT good enough for murder. Why should a person who kills innocent people live longer?
PunkAttitude8V 1 year ago
@PunkAttitude8V life imprisonment is not good enough, really? Then why do so many inmates commit suicide while in prison? Care to explain THAT one for me? Also, "we need plenty of evidence". The only problem with your theory is that crooked ass prosecutors often lie and make up evidence to get people wrongfully convicted (and they get a slap on the wrist when they get CAUGHT doing this), eyewitnesses often misidentify suspects, evidence is often hidden or manufactured to frame suspects, so no.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 What if they don't commit suicide.? It doesn't matter how much misery their going through. They are still living longer than the innocent person they killed. If someone stabbed or shot one of your friends or family members. I'm sure you would want them executed as well I do.
PunkAttitude8V 1 year ago
Also, the death penalty is NOT--contrary to popular belief--a deterrent. States that still use the death penalty actually have MUCH HIGHER murder rates than states that DON'T use capital punishment. In 2008, for example, the average murder rate of states with the death penalty was 5.2, while the average murder rate of states without the death penalty was 3.3. In fact, this has ALWAYS been the case and the gap between the 2 murder rates has grown increasingly larger throughout the last 2 decades.
Headhunter004 1 year ago 2
If someone comments suicide sucessfully what do they get?
JFuzzman 1 year ago
@JFuzzman freedom from this world
superryomafan 1 year ago
yeah because, if they go to prison, they live in prison, and some people dont understand how HORRIBLE AND UTTERLY MIND WRECKING prison is, and they would have to live through the pain that for the rest of their life, they're going to be stuck in a disgusting, dangerous, dark, cold pit :) so yeah, I think if they kill them, then they're just off the hook in "that way"
BiteMe7771 1 year ago
@BiteMe7771 exactly! They always say "oh, putting them in prison is letting them off too easy, death is the only just punishment" those people are either trolls or hopelessly naive, prison is NO picnic, ESPECIALLY Supermax prisons (where convicted killers serving life sentences generally go, anyway). They put them in cardboard boxes with almost nothing inside of them but concrete beds and a toilet (and MAYBE a sink), and they have to sit there 23 of 24 hours a day... def no walk in the park.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
*CONCRETE boxes, my mistake.
Headhunter004 1 year ago
@Headhunter004 when i went to egypt (which has a very little violent crime) there prison system : a very small cell (idk how big but not very big i assure you) with a big hole were you go to pee and poop and they sit there no food or water or clother or anything unless there family brings it in. Thats why they dont have very many violent crimes because there prison system is worse than death
superryomafan 1 year ago
I agree that the death penalty is wrong, but I'm not completely committed to either side. While it would be awful to execute an innocent person, it is equally awful to let a guilty person who DOES deserve to die go free. I believe that worth of a civilization can be measured by the worth of it's least successful, worst (in all ways) citizen. Really, there shouldn't have to be prison or capital punishment. It all comes down to ethics and raising children correctly.
TheScurvyNinja 1 year ago
Agreed 100% Pogobat! I'm very much against the death penalty, too, for the exact same reasons you mentioned! I don't understand how any rational thinker can support it after seeing the facts, which you laid down perfectly in this video! Not only is it far more expensive than LWOP, and comes with the risk of executing innocent people, but it is not applied fairly at all, since rich, white killers NEVER get death sentences. How can an irreversible, unfairly-applied punishment be allowed to exist?
Headhunter004 1 year ago
i agree
diddo
monsterq6 1 year ago
I agree, but if we were to resort to just, say, hanging an offender within a year of their sentece, then that's considerably cheaper than injecting them with a bunch of chemicals ten years later. Just sayin'
BleedingEnglish 1 year ago
I love you, sir. This was the best argument for this topic I have ever heard. Come to me and we shall elope.
bmjb276 1 year ago
"The death penalty can be tolerated only by extreme statist reactionaries who demand a state that is so powerful that it has the right to kill."-Noam Chomsky. Anybody supporting the death penalty is, by this position, supporting rampant Statism and this position is antithetical to the view of liberty from a bloated central government.
nocturnezero 1 year ago
i miss the old dan brown intro
FknGorge 1 year ago
I don't mind the death penalty, as long as it is done painlessly. No more frying them in front of an audience bullshit. The point of Capital Punishment is just to eliminate people who threaten society.
FunnyJunkTV 1 year ago
@FunnyJunkTV It Helps Nothing. Its just a waste of money.
IAmSoTight1 1 year ago
You cant solve voilence by voilence
TheEdwardLovesBella 1 year ago
@TheEdwardLovesBella
Well... temporarily you can.
FunnyJunkTV 1 year ago
@TheEdwardLovesBella Exactly.
IAmSoTight1 1 year ago
but yea they should just have one big prison for people worthy of the death penalty with a chance of never getting out
stefolieokc11 1 year ago
MONEY! It's a gas
greenlegsandspam 1 year ago