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  • yes I agree showing Tiamat "smiling" or growling was cool. It symbolized she could finally rest against fighting Venger. Vengers defeat ended his quest for his control of the realm and his need for her death to have it.

  • Awesome story.

  • Cool shot of Tiamat at the end just watching the action. Probably doesn't matter to her who wins, she could stomp any of them. As for Uni, the most irritating thing concerning her is Bobby's persistent whining about her: "what about Uni?" "Uni this....Uni that". She was a cute little character with an unfortunately stupid name. Never let kids name their pets.

  • I would of grabed every magic weapon I could out of that graveyard!

  • This could be the new beggining for a new season new weapons n new enemies id b so cool!!

  • Incredible I can see why this has trouble fitting onto saturday morning. It was a very dark episode given the tone was basically not to kill Venger but to effectively murder him. The episode played cleverly with it's theme and moral statement but this was a dark episode by kids standards and quite a grownup one as well.

  • @Federoism your right the bad guys alone were to hardcore for back then, it was on in my city at 7:30 am saturdays only

  • And the question is: why did they picked up the other weapons? DOBLE POWER, YOU MORONS!!

  • @0chosi Maybe because they're stupid.

  • "Rise, my son!"

  • I swear Tiamat's voice used to scare the fuck out of me back in the day when I was a child, and it still does to this day. The way she breathed and the way it sounded like her voice was in 2 or 3 different keys @ the same time just freaks me out. And the way she says "Vengeeeerrr," it just has so much venom in it. But I have the box set of the entire series and I love it!! It really takes me back to my childhood. Reminds me of a Piers Anthony-eqsue world.

  • Animator didn't know much about archery. Hank's arrows are always notched on the wrong side of the bow.

  • Best episode ever. Hey Venger... you just got knocked the fuck out!

  • Thiis my favorite episode ever!! They kick Venger's butt big time!! but I highly doubt forgiving hom is a step closer to home for them, I guess it would have helped them to kill Venger once and for all.

  • Tiamat does not look pleased. though one should wonder why she doesn't just kill Venger herself.

  • That fucking unicorn. I swear to god they should just spit roast it and use it for its intended purpose. It was like Dunegon Master's form of a turkey dinner to them in my opinion

  • dragons grraavveeyyaarrdd that shit is funny as hell y do it talk like that

  • i never knew a shield could deflect a dragons breath weapon...

  • last time I checked this episode was under debate cause they could have killed Venger.too much for the era when it was released. now jump 20 yrs, it would have been different .

  • @USZgxc151orbital You do live in the real world right? Saturday morning cartoon.... What did you expect? Besides, this episode was giving the censors fits as it was. They nearly weren't able to show it because, although it was never stated, the kids were talking about killing Venger to get home. That's controversial stuff for children's TV.

  • @sableghost Why controversial? Around this time GI Joe aired, which talked of terrorism, the army, and fighting evil organisations bent on taking over/destroying the world. Then there's transformers, He-man, Thundercats, etc etc. I think they were just shocked at the idea of a children's cartoon having an actual message instead of being mindless violence.

  • @michelrpg I can't speak for what the other cartoons might have gone through with the censors. I'm only speaking based upon the interviews done by those who made this cartoon. They were the ones who spoke of the plug nearly being pulled on this episode airing.

  • God, I just watched the DVD version of this episode, and they FUCKING REMOVED THE EPIC SOUNDTRACK THAT PLAYS AT 2:35! They replaced it with one of the bland travel themes... completely unfitting. I was horrified...

    anyone know the name of that theme? Since there's no soundtrack of this show anywhere...

  • @michelrpg There were two DVD releases. The Mill Creek version has the original music for this episode and I think one or two other episodes had music changed as well. I'll verify for certain when my copy gets here.

  • @sableghost the Dragon's Graveyard, Child of the Stargazer, and Day of the DungeonMaster :). Possibly more, but its very easy for me to remember which ones had different music. Hard to NOT miss the orchestral themes :D

  • @Penguinmenace you Sir, qualify as TV villain: they never know when to give up.

  • lol Uni is played by a guy

  • why dont they keep any of those weapons?

  • Bet there's a sleeping Dracolich amongst the corpses and the kids stumble across it. :P

  • @Penguinmenace and that is why, we are all better than you...you evil poo head...

  • God i hate the stupid morals in these cartoons "nobody your age should hate anybody this much"

  • @GameBeard yeah morality is a terrible thing isnt it. So much worse teaching kids that then the way to be gangsters and hoes on MTV today...

  • @25fitguy haha i never said today's television was any better XD

  • @GameBeard No, I'd say that's pretty much spot on.

  • Why is Sheila so useless?

  • @SuperGoliath89 Because the Dungeon Master cheaped out on her starting equipment and she thinks she's too good to get a weapon, apparently. Sure, there are scads of magic weapons lying all over the Dragon's Graveyard, and most of them are compatible with the Thief class. But does Sheila grab one and start putting her Backstab ability to good use? NoooOOOoooo....

  • I'm a bit of a Dragon Age fan. When the wizard sounded the horn, I though "Shit, the High Dragon's gonna try and pwn me. Dragon Scale armor, here I come!"

  • Wait...Frank Welker as Uni?

    Megatron?

    Good God man, have you no shame?

  • Eric sure could've used the vorpal sword that Bobby used to slice through the rock. It would've been a nice compliment to his shield.

  • looks like those skeletons were minions

  • I remember watching this episode!

    I also remember jumping up and down on my couch, waiting for Hank to kill Venger. I was one disappointed seven year old.

  • "Why did you not finish me?"

    "If I did, we'd be no better than you are."

    It also means that you'll be stuck at Level 8 for a lot longer. Way to go, Hank. :-P

    Also, that Net of Healing would have raped those skeletons with Positive Energy damage, and Sheila should have killed Venger so she could Alignment-shift into Evil, multiclass into Assassin and show Hank how whoop-ass is REALLY done. >:)

    There. I'm done babbling now. :-p

  • @Sinisterappearance1 Cocaine's a hell of a drug, isn't it? o.O

  • That entire battle with the skeletons would have been MUCH easier if Hank and the gang had immediately looted the entire graveyard as soon as they arrived, like any other party of adventurers would.

    Plus, Eric would finally have a weapon to go with that shield; that Trident of Lightning would be a nice pick. And Sheila...man, can you imagine the Backstab/Sneak Attack damage she'd lay down with a Sword of Sharpness to go with her Cloak of Invisibility? Goddamn, the kids messed up here.

  • @BloodyBay ya might as well roll up some new characters or sumpthin. thss thss

  • @trickynicky30 No way! Sheila has a 17 in Dexterity, Presto has a 17 in Intelligence, Diana has a nice Strength/Dexterity balance and Hank almost has max Hit Points for his level. This party's a keeper; they just need to ditch the unicorn and find some better gear, that's all. ;-p

  • Hank, NO!!!

    Think of the Experience Points!

  • Tiamat would be my perfect pet 

  • If I were them I would be upgrading...

  • Very... VERY odd chapt

  • well it seem that good does mean stupid

  • dam they suck they cant even kill a couple of skelatins?

  • damnit hank, why didnt you kill venger? what are you lawful good? you better make an alignment check buddy. most rangers I know are chaotic. epic fail.

  • @greeneking1976 You mean "Epic Failure" because Fail is a verb, therefor Fail cannot be Epic. Not everything is epic.

  • @SoraJustSora please, enough with the English lessons cupcake, this is the internet y'know.thanks for imparting your wisdom upon me! Using fail and epic fail are from the mistranslations of japanese video game makers.search the phrases on youtube.

  • @greeneking1976 It's good that he didn't kill Venger, 'cos if he did, he would have killed Optimus Prime.

  • @greeneking1976 your face is chaotic

  • Nothing will ever be able to make Venger look cool with those dorky vampire teeth.

  • the voice of tiamat is fucking good!!!!!

  • Tiamat sounds constipated.

  • What a blinking shame that Uni didn't die. She irritates me more than Jaja Binks.

  • Everyone notice that Dungeon Master said to Venger "Rise my son". Its because he is the Dungeon Master's son. I read the script for the last episod that was never drawn and arried for the show... the kids end up saving Venger and turning him back into a good guy and they have the option of going home or staying and facing new dangers and other evils to fight and the show ends with them making a choice we never see on screen.

  • Okay name those other wepaons of power and the D&D Class that it corrisponds too... Hmm lets see a Paladian's Holy sword and the horn? Is that a bard's weapon? What about the healing net... is that some kind of priestly thing? And the ball in chain... what class is that? And the wand like thing and the Trident of Lighting... hmmm anyone know?

  • wtf he missed the bad guy twice and then wasnt honest about being a bad archer

  • Peter Cullen (aka OPTIMUS PRIME) as Venger - Legend!

  • i think that the ranger should have destroyed the ground under venger, and send him to hell...... could be cool.

  • does anybody notice how the mage does NOTHING?

  • @dogslobber45 He did happen to imprison Venger this time around.  That's a pretty good feather in the cap.

  • @dogslobber45 Oh and he hooked up with Varla too. You've got to give him props for nabbing the soft spoken red head who could do interesting things with her illusions...

  • @dogslobber45 If Presto were even a halfway competent Wizard, there wouldn't be any need for the rest of the party. There is no problem that cannot be solved with the judicious application of 1d6 points of fire damage per level.

  • 7:20-7:38

    Somehow, I wasn't at all surprised.

    I always thought that the heroes in cartoon shows were too soft on the bad guys.

    They kept beating them, and sparing their lives, and of course, the bad guys always came back later to stirr up more trouble.

    Even when I was little, I thought this was a stupid idea.

  • Best show ever!

  • What the heck is everyone talking about? Bottom line this was one of the greatest episodes of all time. Period.

  • Presto's power is equal to his determination... the orbs he conjured up rendered Venger powerless and immobilised. I think it's a fact often overlooked, but this episode showed how badly they really wanted this to be over, unlike previous episodes where they basically just got lucky a lot of times.

  • In reality, the frikkin unicorn died, the kid smashed his club in the Venger head till he dropped dead, they went to the real world, and now the kid is one of Americas most wanted Criminal..... Mass Murdering Criminal that is.....

  • Remember, when this cartoon came out, D&D was AD&D, first edition. I'm guessing some of the stuff came from the Unearthed Arcana book at the time.

  • @lc44906 As I recall, I got Unearthed Arcana afterwards, but I suspect TSR was hoping to use the cartoon to help sell their latest product. Then again, this was so long ago and I was so young, it just might have taken me awhile to save up the money to buy it and it predated the cartoon.....

  • I'm guessing Venger is a necromancer?

  • Eric: "I didn't hear that.... I didn't hear that either."

    Eric should probably get his hearing checked.

  • He's a fighter/knight, they don't have listen as a skill.

    Trust me I have a level 18 Knight in my campaign, he can't hear shit.

  • @blackmage665 I LOL'ed. :-D

    For that matter, did you ever notice that Fighters don't get Spot and Listen as Class Skills, and yet just about every town guard you meet is a Fighter? No wonder the Rogues are ripping the townies off right and left....

  • Oh, Bobby's barbarian balls just dropped. Hank should have been worried before.

  • the voice of the cavalier sounds like ralph mouth from happy days

  • Bingo!

  • @freedo333 Indeed it is Donnie Most voicing Eric the Cavalier!

  • @sableghost cory haim did the magician.

  • That Venger was just a soulstone away from becoming known as Baal, hahaha

    And this ep reinforces that thing about Venger being Dungeon Master's son. He calls him so. (or am i tripping?)

  • I don't think DM meant it liturally when he called him his son...

    In any case, the scripted final episode tells of how Venger was originally DM's apprentice who turned evil.

  • I think the DM did Venger's mom.

  • The final episode script, "Requiem", does reveal Venger as DMs son, and yes apprentice as in, next in line to become DM before he turned evil.

  • huh... I guess I missed that bit, or forgot it. Ah well. My mistake. Still wish they'd made that episode though

  • @KamenDesantis they never should have cancelled, and continued the show with the children fighting venger's former master.

  • my level 17 investman could kill venger in 5 slaps of bill cases

  • intense

  • Tiamat's voice is the same one from The Real Ghostbusters Tree in Knock Knock and i think the Boogeyman as well. but the Tree from knock knock for sure.

  • I just realised that as I listened to

    Tiamat's voice. I can say the same thing

    as Venger's voice, whom also voiced the

    knock on the Door where the Demons lay

    in The Real Ghostbusters.

  • @LightningStash

    Venger is voiced by Peter Cullen, and Tiamat is Frank Weller.

  • Yeah, thanks.

  • "i didnt hear that!" *roar* "I didnt hear that ether!"

  • they were equal there

     The outcome wouldn´t be different and that might not be incline to spare a life once again.

  • I keep waiting for Venger to say "all right my children, transform, and roll out!"

    Danyael

    ;-Demon

  • @LightningDemon and Tiamat says "But I still function"

  • Yeah but these pcs were before the new rubbish ultra powerful half-dragon/half demon fighter,cleric,mage,thief,psio­n was born. AD&D was made up of clever characters with a few powers not dumb asses choc full of magic and no skill or brains.

  • David lee roth did timats voice... LOL

  • You know, my half-dragon fighter/dragonfire adept could have killed them all, easily. lol

  • 3:10  when Tiamat's red dragon head is talking. it looks like the dragon from the Hobbit. Smaug. or Smog. or however it was spelled.

  • Did these kids ever make it back to the fairground???

  • Not in the television series

  • lol venger got to lvoe him thast wewre i got my internet name from :) typical of my older brother to pick tiamat as venger cant kill tiamat dam my older brother lol! :D

  • At 8:03 when the Dungeon Master says "rise...my son..." I couldnt help myself to hum the Darth Vader theme

  • awesome upload its made me reminise all night!!

  • My guess is that Tiamat would have attacked the kids after they killed Venger...the "2 birds with one stone" philosophy

  • awsome show

  • 4:12 dental plan badly needed

  • Shuda killed him

  • hehehe boneddddd

  • To answer the question below: 'what the hells is an Acrobat?' - it's like a Cricketbat, only more energetic!

  • man did i love this cartoon. I always wanted a energy bow and arrow :) i dont think i ever saw the last episode or if they got to go home????loved uni. man D&D and silverhawks,thundercats,tigers­harks,dino riders,mask and jayce and the wheel warriors rocked hardcore better than anything nowadays

  • when eric said "I'm golad they dont grow them that big anymore" was the a reference to IO the largest dragon ever?

  • what the hell's an "Acrobat"? lol

  • thief special kit from second edition :)

  • ...fair enough.

    Awesome response. haha

  • i still have the book somewhere i think....

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  • i swear to god the barbarian is porking the unicorn

  • also irritated me that acrobat,cavalier,and i think barbarian were not real d&d classes back then...not sure about now with the newer stuff

  • You won't find Barbarians, Cavaliers or Acrobats in the D&D players handbook but you will find them in The D&D Unearthed Arcana handbook.

  • kinda sux someone had a shot at making this and they totaly crapped it up...i could write better stories and dialog then these ppl....still....i watched it........

  • i remember watching this,when hank had the arrow aimed at him at the end i was on my knees in front off the telly screaming'FUCKING KIIIIIILLL HIIIIIIIIIMMM'

    think i was about 21 at the time ha.

  • @stellastey lawl

  • how old are you now?

  • That Green Wizard Kid, Is Useless!(Except For Two Times, Which Is Seen In This Episode..)

  • God this brings back some memorys.

  • you know.. this was like 84 right? i love watching this... venger with his one huff helmet all majical powers in that world but notice those who love this cartoon some how like the ring, harry potter, and things of that nature

  • are those fking going to ever leave the freaking realm

  • Ha- at 1:29, that dragon died humping the rock!

  • LOL!

  • they did make a movie it sucked balls

  • Venger was Dungeon Master's son?? I had absolutely no idea. Was that a shocking twist or did everybody already know that?

  • There was knowledge that Venger was once a pupil of Dungeon Master. Whether the term "son" was meant literally or as a metaphor is anyone's guess.

  • should make a movie of this

  • Have you seen the last 2 dungeons and dragon's movies that have been made? My god I hate to think of how bad of a movie they would make out of this, maybe they could talk marvel into doing it for them though.

  • tiamat always sounds like she's out-of-breath and has laryngitis. nice.

  • Too bad they never had a chance to make a last episode.There IS a script of the last one but,D and D was canceled before it could be made.

  • So I take it that Rocks fell and Everyone died?

  • "Boned up on self defence"

    lmao

  • they should really bring this back, revamp it.

  • But still keep the TSR D&D....If they made a show of WOTC show I would never, ever watch it.

  • Ah when Dungeon Master said "rise my son" he realy ment son. coolio

  • anyone remember what the bad guy with the blue helmet and the red eyes's name was? i totally cannot remember.

  • That was Warduke.

  • This is my favorite episode and the soundtrack has a lot to do with making this battle seem so intense. It's a real shame they had to change it for the DVD set.

  • Diana's weapon of power sucks

    List of best weapons

    1. Hank

    2. Presto

    3. Eric

    4. Bobby

    5. Sheila

    6. Diana

  • WTF i so woulda shot him in the face!!

  • and then you would have been trapped in the D&D world for the rest of your life :P

  • it would be soo awsome!

  • wing buffet @ 4:20

  • Man o man the memories, thats one of the better versions I've seen in awhile. Thanks, from an original player from the seventies.

  • Tiamat had one of the coolest voices of all cartoon characters in history :). Also, when a dragon dies, with its last power it forms a weapon. The magic weapons are Dragon's remains, and all the dragons are children of Tiamat. Thats why she guards them. Dungeon Master stole as many weapons as he could while Tiamat was away (presumably fighting venger). Venger summoned the dragons and enslaved them in the Realm, which is why Tiamat hates him (she is to be controlled by Venger).

  • I meant "She is to STRONG to be controller by Venger"

  • Yeah that crazy Tiamat voice reminds me of the voice of Amaunator in the Forgotten Temple inhabited by the Diseased Ones in Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn.

  • Strongheart is in episode #8 - "Servant of Evil"...

  • i've been looking for but cannot find 2 episodes; the 1 with the celestial knight (i think his name is Dekyon) and the one with Strongheart...anyone able to find those?

  • hank is a pussy he should have fed venger his nuts

  • Tiamat is awesome!!!

  • Did anyone else hear Dungeon Master tell Venger to rise "my son"....hello what was all that about....is Venger really DM's son?

  • Yes he really is