saw them live at reading and this was one of the stand out songs. was slightly disappointed they didn't capture the guitar tone on the album to be honest.
amen! i was at this concert, firs row and when they played this my head just exploded when the main riff came in, but the album version just gave me goosebumbs that was about it..
@5Cincinnatus i was there =D this is in the melkweg in amsterdam i was right at the front, We didn't know anything of the songs. But when this came...
word of mouth is all they need. when 3 of the greatest artists of all time get together word travels damn fast. the dead weather did something along the same lines, however, they released a couple full singles before starting their tour.
too bad theres no tcv concert date scheduled for vancouver canada. actually, its kind of surprising.
Bandas de Hard Rock geralmente tem 2 guitarristas, porque...alem de dar mais enfase nas bases de guitarra tem um pra segurar a base concreta durante os solos...heavy metal tambem...metal melodico etc...duplas sertaneja sao duplas porque um segura o vocal em geral e o outro toca violao e faz os backing em terças geralmente...
nationalnate, what the fuck. josh homme is an amazing guitarist, his technique is one of the best out there, what the fuck? im really getting sick of people thinking josh is the weak link in the band. he is an incredible performer and makes the band just as much (if not more) as JPJ and grohl
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Homme is a weak guitarist--he always has to have a rhythm guitarist in every project that he does because he's so sloppy live. I was hoping this might be a loud, mean power trio, but it's just basically Queens with JPJ on bass. They need to release a song or two...I'm losing interest in this fast...
eu discordo..Homme é um puta guitarrista e ele tem esse "rhythm guitarrist" porque simplesmente é preciso pra deixar o som mais pesado no show..Você não manja nada! Homme É FOOOODA!!!
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It really sounds like Breed by nirvana folks. 2 out of those 3 guys owe the jobs they have to kurt cobain. = foo fighters = dave drumming for QOTSA =lots of fans+money because of kurt cobains HUGE Coat tail
Hate to tell you this, but Nirvana is only so "influential" because Kurt Cobain fucking killed himself. Dave Grohl is clearly more talented and if Cobain were still alive, we probably wouldn't have Foo Fighters, which would be an even bigger shame.
Daved Grohl is the jesus of drumming! nothing makes the band sound better than the rythem section and theirs kicks sirious ass! who are the guitar players?
this is probably my favourite songs i've heard so far, but 'nobody loves me and neither do i' is a wiked track aswel. This band are going to be huge, cant wait for the album!
The code above is 'them crooked vultures' if typed as a text message, the second code on the bracelets (ie your ticket) was the gps co=ordinates for the gig, try it on googlemaps.
Also in response to comments, it's nothing like QoTSA, they're unique and probably the best band I've heard this year. Mr Paul-Jones on the bass was up there with Grohl's drumming performance. The Melkweg gig was too short though and ended too abrubtly with no warning of their last song.
the annoying thing is, is that this is essentially just queens of the stoneage seeing as daves the drummof qotsa and joshs is the singer/guitarist. It's just a little bit heavier
The only full member of qotsa is and always will be josh homme. Nick Oliveri didn't have anything to do with the selftitled debut-album (well, except for a guest appearance on a hidden track). Qotsa isn't a "band" in a traditional way, it's more like a creative pool.
It's actually really cool to see JPJ playing with the likes of Homme and Grohl. Kyuss was rad, and I'm glad Josh is finally doing something to fix his credibility.
Basically the fact that Grohl and Jones are contributing. It's more of an interest I suppose, but god damn I wanna hear this in full. The EV comparison I'm not hearing though.
Who is the second guitar player? This stuff sounds really, really, really, really good. I feel like an ass. Anything coming from John Paul Jones or Grohl is essentially written in stone to be good.
Dude, That indeed is Alain Johannes. OK now I'm a bit more relieved. He's definitely a John Paul Jones understudy in multiinstrumentalism and lends a hell of a lot to the credibility in the lead guitar department (if anyone lets him play leads?). Still would rather see Kim Thayil in there though.
why do people say this is queens + zeppelin + foo fighters??? its not + foo fighters because grohl doesnt play drums in that band. queens + zeppelin + nirvana is more accurate
saw them at Reading Festival this weekend, they played unannounced in a tent and blew everyone away. So good to see Dave back behind the drums, what a beast!
people need to stop worrying about this stuff sounding like qotsa. josh has reinvented his guitar sound with practically every album and project. compare qotsa to kyuss to desert sessions. each one has a markedly unique sound.
even then, focusing on him is a massive disservice to dave grol, john paul jones and alain johannes (although i don't know how much alain did in the studio) as musicians.
grohl is quoted as saying 'this won't suck' and from what i've heard i'm inclined to agree.
Yeah very true....I was at a Queens of the stone age concert and some idiot threw a sneaker at him...HE WENT FUCKING NUTS! lol...pretty much ruined chance of seeing this band play here.
the fuck is wrong with the title?
gibson9821 10 months ago
@gibson9821 the posters for this 'secret' concert only showed these numbers, venue, date and time
(and explicit warnings that no cameras are allowed :-) )
szaller 10 months ago
Im sure im not the first to catch on but i find it cool that the number 8436 2766533 88588737 spells Them Crooked Vultures on a cell phone
TheJurneyMan 1 year ago
this is fucking boring music
tommiesmallz 1 year ago
@tommiesmallz troll
sharty5000 1 year ago
@sharty5000 douche
tommiesmallz 1 year ago
saw them live at reading and this was one of the stand out songs. was slightly disappointed they didn't capture the guitar tone on the album to be honest.
somerandomer 1 year ago
change the title?????
MiniMousePoo2 1 year ago
yeah wtf this is better than the album version and the sound quality is shitty here
Fallinldols 2 years ago 4
Hello, going to the gig in Auckland NZ on the weekend. Can i expect to hear any Queens, Zep or Foos covers? Pretty please?
joshluxy 2 years ago
probably too late now, but no, you wont
sumosanta55 2 years ago
amen! i was at this concert, firs row and when they played this my head just exploded when the main riff came in, but the album version just gave me goosebumbs that was about it..
ritsch 2 years ago 2
shit kan niet geloven dat ik het heb gemist :S
Botation 2 years ago
OUTSTANDING
TOPHERHARPER 2 years ago
i will always remember this video as the first TCV material I heard outside of the snippets . Legendary
5Cincinnatus 2 years ago 11
Me too. Sounds like you're there too with the blurriness :D
mistermano 2 years ago
@5Cincinnatus i was there =D this is in the melkweg in amsterdam i was right at the front, We didn't know anything of the songs. But when this came...
ritsch 1 year ago
Even live they kick ass like none other... I love dem guys
Arnulf55 2 years ago
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josh homme is an ASSHOLE
zimonslot 2 years ago
You're an asshole.
SpankedProductions 2 years ago
around 3:00
I can see the resemblence of Bonham....
sharrer2 2 years ago
Oh man, I remember this as the first live video to leak about this band. Gives me chills still.
handen 2 years ago 4
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If they got Daniel O Donnel to join this group it would be really nice.
PlayingLame 2 years ago
i better come out november 17th or whenever they said it was
joshowen17 2 years ago
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i know they are very talented but i think this song sucks.
godfatherNYC 2 years ago
oh please you suck balls fagget... go back to your wack ass city.
wildinthestreets86 2 years ago
0:24 -- I hope I'm having that much fun doing my job when I'm 60+ years old!
cmurtaugh 2 years ago 12
if you have his job you certainly will !
1812Tecumseh 2 years ago
the musicians in this band are legendary. ignorant fuckwit.
beaniiii 2 years ago 2
you guess you here breed i HEAR IT fully.. not a surprise really cuz nirvana is awesome
InFaHazel 2 years ago
maybe you should listen to breed again.
shazta88 2 years ago
i believe its oct 23
joshowen17 2 years ago
i believe ya wrong
RhysOzzy182 2 years ago
holy shit this band sounds good. can't wait for the cd. does it have a release date yet?
frollun2 2 years ago
Josh Homme has said sometime definitely before the end of the year. They just picked which tracks to include on the album ....
mike8536 2 years ago
comin to aus in january...canNOT wait
aidankirbydesigns 2 years ago
seeing these guys on Friday, October 9!! WOOOHOOO!!
19ZoSo93 2 years ago
word of mouth is all they need. when 3 of the greatest artists of all time get together word travels damn fast. the dead weather did something along the same lines, however, they released a couple full singles before starting their tour.
too bad theres no tcv concert date scheduled for vancouver canada. actually, its kind of surprising.
PremiumWood 2 years ago
mean!!
RespekTV 2 years ago
hope this one works better than Zwan, Velvet Revolver or Audioslave...
MetamarioMX 2 years ago
thing with this band is they arent trying to recreate their glory years. they are all still amazing! WOOO EXCITING :D
6dawg 2 years ago
Considering the musicians in this band shit on any of those guys, probably will.
NuclearGuru350 2 years ago
Que vuelva dave grohl a Foo Fighters
frodri32 2 years ago
Bandas de Hard Rock geralmente tem 2 guitarristas, porque...alem de dar mais enfase nas bases de guitarra tem um pra segurar a base concreta durante os solos...heavy metal tambem...metal melodico etc...duplas sertaneja sao duplas porque um segura o vocal em geral e o outro toca violao e faz os backing em terças geralmente...
abutre97 2 years ago
Bandas de rock progressivo e prog metal geralmente tem 1 guitarrista só...porque!?!?!
porque o som q se leva no prog soa melhor com 1 guitarra só...tem o teclado jah...se colocasse duas provavelmente iria embolar o som.
abutre97 2 years ago
Seems these guys are doing what Zeppelin did and touring before releasing an album.
trickmast 2 years ago
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abutre97 2 years ago
YEAH THE JOSHUA PAUL GROHL GROUP!
drummingdale 2 years ago
Josh Homme interview about guitars (2008) Part 1 and 2.(you tube) And is for you ...nationalnate
abutre97 2 years ago
nationalnate, what the fuck. josh homme is an amazing guitarist, his technique is one of the best out there, what the fuck? im really getting sick of people thinking josh is the weak link in the band. he is an incredible performer and makes the band just as much (if not more) as JPJ and grohl
QotsaStrokes22 2 years ago 2
Oh yeah I was there, fucking briliant!!
coopers66 2 years ago
Can't wait for a cd!!
DTigers24 2 years ago
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Homme is a weak guitarist--he always has to have a rhythm guitarist in every project that he does because he's so sloppy live. I was hoping this might be a loud, mean power trio, but it's just basically Queens with JPJ on bass. They need to release a song or two...I'm losing interest in this fast...
nationalnate 2 years ago
eu discordo..Homme é um puta guitarrista e ele tem esse "rhythm guitarrist" porque simplesmente é preciso pra deixar o som mais pesado no show..Você não manja nada! Homme É FOOOODA!!!
mbglozer 2 years ago
JOSHUA HOMME = KYUSS, QUEENS OF THE STONE AGE, THE DESERT SESSIONS,EAGLES OF DEATH METAL, MONDO GENERATOR, MASTER OF REALTY,ETC.......
Musician, songwriter, producer,multi-instrumentalist and plays guitar, bass, drums, and keyboard, ETC.....
Joshua Homme is a master of loud rock with real smarts & brutal swing. And his Queens of the Stone A
abutre97 2 years ago
an interesting point u might be right here!
parkplatzbizon 2 years ago
dude my dads band manager is the same for them so when they come into town i get to see them and get to go backstage and meet them!
roxasrox123 2 years ago
what band is your dad in
LoVeThEm5678 2 years ago
take me with you!!!!!!
kevinheartwell91 2 years ago
i wish i could i truely do.
roxasrox123 2 years ago
God, what a rhythm section. Can't wait to hear more.
jlt4926 2 years ago
8436 2766533 88588737 josh cellpone numba hahaha
WeddingSecret 2 years ago
i thought it was 36278-362789...
hornsofarabbit 2 years ago
nice audio
smburk88 2 years ago
whos the bald guy?
DionH62 2 years ago
The bald guy is Alain Johannes, he sometimes plays with Qotsa
qezjeh 2 years ago
are you fucking serious?!
seadog231 2 years ago
It doesn't sound much like breed at all
Kyuss87 2 years ago 3
i've been waiting for that rhythm section very long time!
Paulshaggy 2 years ago
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sounds like a rip of breed by nirvana but trebbles to horrid to tell
InFaHazel 2 years ago
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It really sounds like Breed by nirvana folks. 2 out of those 3 guys owe the jobs they have to kurt cobain. = foo fighters = dave drumming for QOTSA =lots of fans+money because of kurt cobains HUGE Coat tail
InFaHazel 2 years ago
Hate to tell you this, but Nirvana is only so "influential" because Kurt Cobain fucking killed himself. Dave Grohl is clearly more talented and if Cobain were still alive, we probably wouldn't have Foo Fighters, which would be an even bigger shame.
ilikesatan 2 years ago
But I guess now that you mention it, I do hear "Breed."
ilikesatan 2 years ago
way tooooooooo coooooooollll 4 schooooolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
fitter527 2 years ago
I love it. Josh Homme is a stoner rock god.
vystral 2 years ago
can't it just be "rock and roll : ? what exactly is stoner rock ?
HelterSkelter73 2 years ago 4
do you smoke DOPE, man?
handen 2 years ago
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HelterSkelter73 2 years ago
Haha you where literally right behind me. The head that's blocking the view sometimes... that's me ^^
KoenBloodThunder 2 years ago
bitchin engine room indeed.. probably one of the best in a while... (engine room= rythm section)
sslink1 2 years ago
Daved Grohl is the jesus of drumming! nothing makes the band sound better than the rythem section and theirs kicks sirious ass! who are the guitar players?
Th3Guitar3st 2 years ago
Singer guitarist looks like Josh Homme from Queen of the stone age.
mreastwood1 2 years ago
yeah man it is
francesthemute9387 2 years ago
No shit sherlock
bersj1 2 years ago 2
LOL, Captain Obvious walks among us. I've got a sneaky suspicion the drummer might be Dave Grohl but don't tell anyone
PutItAway101 2 years ago
because its not like that isnt official. a birdy tells me that the lead singers josh homme aswell
rockisdeadnotquite 2 years ago
how can you not know that the singer is Josh Homme lol?
youwouldknow 2 years ago
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bersj1 2 years ago
I know the guy on our left is John Paul Jones (legend) from Led Zep
CoolZiggy 2 years ago
is that an Octave-Pedal on Homme's guitar? I can't tell because of the low quality of the recording.
TY for uploading this btw this band sounds like its going to be incredible
numbard 2 years ago
He does use an octave pedal alot, so I wouldn't be suprised. But yeah the recording is poor quality so it's hard to tell.
AreYouIrrelevant 2 years ago
Grohl is like a real-life Animal from the muppets :D
p1epschu1m 2 years ago
the excitment
emisian 2 years ago
Can't wait for the album! This definately rocks big time!
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ClickThisNow1 2 years ago
grohl looks best behind his drumkit.
he really should stop playing lame ass guitar riffs xD
Rafzorz1 2 years ago
who is the other guitarist
Welker95 2 years ago
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jemoemoetje 2 years ago
The other guitarist is Alain Johannes.
jemoemoetje 2 years ago
Alain Johannes (Eleven, QOTSA)
AreYouIrrelevant 2 years ago
so sick seein them on oct 11
classicz55 2 years ago
I've watched this video so many times. This is the most bad ass shit I've heard from them up to this point.
goldfinger1919 2 years ago
this is probably my favourite songs i've heard so far, but 'nobody loves me and neither do i' is a wiked track aswel. This band are going to be huge, cant wait for the album!
bigbeasto 2 years ago 2
JPJ playing with a pick? didn't expect that!
Josh Homme. . . that guy has a finger in every pie and a toe in every trifle!
Awesome. . .
PuffPastryHangman83 2 years ago
Forget QotSA. This band is one member of Foo Fighters, one member of Queens of the Stone Age and one member of Led Zeppelin.
5t757 2 years ago
The code above is 'them crooked vultures' if typed as a text message, the second code on the bracelets (ie your ticket) was the gps co=ordinates for the gig, try it on googlemaps.
Also in response to comments, it's nothing like QoTSA, they're unique and probably the best band I've heard this year. Mr Paul-Jones on the bass was up there with Grohl's drumming performance. The Melkweg gig was too short though and ended too abrubtly with no warning of their last song.
gethindavies 2 years ago
the annoying thing is, is that this is essentially just queens of the stoneage seeing as daves the drummof qotsa and joshs is the singer/guitarist. It's just a little bit heavier
ChildOfTuesday 2 years ago
dave grohl isnt the qotsa drummer, he just featured on drums on no one knows
woodengiraffe37 2 years ago
my mistake, he features on the whole 'songs for the deaf' album but still, the only full members of qotsa were josh homme and nick oliveri
woodengiraffe37 2 years ago
The only full member of qotsa is and always will be josh homme. Nick Oliveri didn't have anything to do with the selftitled debut-album (well, except for a guest appearance on a hidden track). Qotsa isn't a "band" in a traditional way, it's more like a creative pool.
KaiserBecks 2 years ago
ill left a creative pool on your girlfriends back
sillychops 2 years ago
you will left? are you a timetraveler or something?
KaiserBecks 2 years ago
when im high
sillychops 2 years ago 2
Grohl did the drumming on the whole Songs For The Deaf record. He did the touring for the record also.
SongsofLoveandHate 2 years ago
ghrol did most,gene trautman did 3 songs
Hitamaru 2 years ago
Which three did Gene do?
SongsofLoveandHate 2 years ago
"You Think I Ain't Worth a Dollar, But I Feel Like a Millionaire" and "Go with the Flow" well its two
Hitamaru 2 years ago
It's actually really cool to see JPJ playing with the likes of Homme and Grohl. Kyuss was rad, and I'm glad Josh is finally doing something to fix his credibility.
Ozma2112 2 years ago
what do you mean "fix" his credibility?
jetttttttttttttts 2 years ago 2
Lullabies and Era Vulgaris were shit. This Vultures band is not (so far). That's what I mean.
Ozma2112 2 years ago
Vultures sound very similar to Era Vulgaris. What is different about this to make you like it?
n8tehgr8 2 years ago 2
Basically the fact that Grohl and Jones are contributing. It's more of an interest I suppose, but god damn I wanna hear this in full. The EV comparison I'm not hearing though.
Ozma2112 2 years ago
i actually like most of lullabies although i agree some songs wernt that good
joeyqotsa 2 years ago
lullabies was great, but i have to agree to era vulgaris..........
eazypop 2 years ago
Who is the second guitar player? This stuff sounds really, really, really, really good. I feel like an ass. Anything coming from John Paul Jones or Grohl is essentially written in stone to be good.
leonkennedy74 2 years ago
Dude, That indeed is Alain Johannes. OK now I'm a bit more relieved. He's definitely a John Paul Jones understudy in multiinstrumentalism and lends a hell of a lot to the credibility in the lead guitar department (if anyone lets him play leads?). Still would rather see Kim Thayil in there though.
jeffscottjeff 2 years ago
John Paul Jones looks really young seeing as he was in zep. Page and Plant are well crispy in comparison. Guess he must use Oil of Olay...
THEMISSILESBAND 2 years ago 6
do i smell an omelette or did i just have a stroke
akavari112 2 years ago 2
I think the songs bpm is set for non-dancing.
Or is that just the crowd?
Awesome song regardless.
kivitimo 2 years ago
Them Crooked Vultures on a cell keypad.
FernandoDANTE 2 years ago
I only now realized that the title of this video is actually a code.
FernandoDANTE 2 years ago 2
un códico de qué será?
junecharcot 2 years ago
I translate myself: the title is a code, what's that code about?
junecharcot 2 years ago
them crooked vultures
linnWV 2 years ago
who's the guy next to josh(and i don't mean John Paul Jones)?
masta00archer 2 years ago
That's Alain Johannes
dirtfoot 2 years ago
Oooooh, yea ur right! wow that's cool =)!
I didn't see it because he is bald:P..
masta00archer 2 years ago
Alain Johannes from QOTSA :)
renegadecomplex 2 years ago
Saw them at rock en seine the other day..... Blew my mind. This is an amazing song.
Anyone know of any material being released?
klaxxon78 2 years ago
cd out oct 23rd
jetttttttttttttts 2 years ago
Fucking Incredible Gig
"Get in the Fucking VAN"
LondonToddy 2 years ago
why do people say this is queens + zeppelin + foo fighters??? its not + foo fighters because grohl doesnt play drums in that band. queens + zeppelin + nirvana is more accurate
ironsheiknyc 2 years ago 5
thank you!
parkplatzbizon 2 years ago
chill out dude lol
renegadecomplex 2 years ago
i hope there will be a substantial amount of guitar/drum solos
akavari112 2 years ago
I missed them yesterday for Rock en seine... 5 minutes walking distance from where I live.
SHIT HAPPENS.
antoinemovu 2 years ago
so original
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Awesome. Just a shame Josh cant solo for shit!!
1saltana 2 years ago
saw them at Reading Festival this weekend, they played unannounced in a tent and blew everyone away. So good to see Dave back behind the drums, what a beast!
997ted 2 years ago
people need to stop worrying about this stuff sounding like qotsa. josh has reinvented his guitar sound with practically every album and project. compare qotsa to kyuss to desert sessions. each one has a markedly unique sound.
even then, focusing on him is a massive disservice to dave grol, john paul jones and alain johannes (although i don't know how much alain did in the studio) as musicians.
grohl is quoted as saying 'this won't suck' and from what i've heard i'm inclined to agree.
dickpennis 2 years ago 3
And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest you've sown
minotipo16 2 years ago
fearlessly the idiot faced the crowd
HelterSkelter73 2 years ago
It's Queens Of The Stone Age + Foo Fighters + Led Zeppelin = Them Crooked Vultures
earthealm 2 years ago
QOTSA + John Paul Jones = Them Crooked Vultures
Thats the only difference, but it still sounds pretty cool, original, and fresh anyway (as do all QOTSA albums....hmmm...)
misterrabbi 2 years ago
this might possibly be the single greatest thing ever
TylerPiatt 2 years ago 3
i hope this band doesnt end up just sounding like queens of the stone age
akavari112 2 years ago 3
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It's Queens of the Stone age.
frenchkids 2 years ago
Its Them Crooked Vultures
callisonphotography4 2 years ago 3
who sound a lot like.....
frenchkids 2 years ago
sweet alain johannes is in it hopefully theres some slide stuff in the album
hoptop77 2 years ago
he plays slide on "New Fang"
TylerPiatt 2 years ago
LOVE. Reminds me of Songs of the Deaf era QOTSA (dave grohl qotsa) which produced my favorite song ever in No One Knows.
MrAnderson123 2 years ago
Yeah very true....I was at a Queens of the stone age concert and some idiot threw a sneaker at him...HE WENT FUCKING NUTS! lol...pretty much ruined chance of seeing this band play here.
blockhouse1 2 years ago
can't really blame anyone for flipping out like that . You are vulnerable as hell standing up there onstage .
1812Tecumseh 2 years ago
Whoever filmed this has got balls, Josh tends to go a bit mental at people he doesn't like in the crowd.
poonparade616 2 years ago 3
awesome song!!
sabbathkyuss 2 years ago
very cool to see dave kicking the shit out of the kit for a whole set again he's definitely gonna break that cymbol!!!!
Animal lives!!!!!
1974foo 2 years ago 2
AWESOOOOOOOOMMMMMEEEE!!!!!!
botirrrri 2 years ago 2
I heard them on pukkelpop 2009 and they rocked, they really amazed me!! Great new band
ripper2563 2 years ago
OMG, I at Lowlands they were so amazing I nearly fainted
inDYElisabeth 2 years ago
They were so fucking awesome at Lowlands :| For me, it was the best act of the festival. I want a CD !!!!
Ankeexx 2 years ago
fucking awesome.................
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HelterSkelter73 2 years ago
NOTHING has excited me more than Them Crooked Vultures in a very long time.
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Chickenfoot 4 me until now!
muttville1 2 years ago
John Paul Zepplin looks very happy indeed..
BurningFencePost 2 years ago 3
They need to release a cd, NOW.
Coolgerb 2 years ago 3
HOLY SHIET, my jaw litterally dropped
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