BBC Horizon 2010: 5/6 What Happened Before the Big Bang

[mcagnin]

whatever they want us to believe; not even they know the truth...

[MomoTheBellyDancer]

@mcagnin

"not even they know the truth..."

Whoever claimed they did? At least they follow a method which might lead us closer to the truth.

[mcagnin]

@MomoTheBellyDancer That method you're talking about is just a representation of something that is unknowable as greatly postulated Sir Emmanuel Kant. How can it lead us closer to the truth then? We want to believe that's the truth, but the truth is totally different.

[SteveSabbai]

...Our perception of the TRUTH is ever changing..."Be like water, my friend. Be like water."...

[SteveSabbai]

...If Gods word is the ultimate truth then how come you can't use that in a court of law?...

[AEVautomatic]

what happened before what happened before the big bang?

[FlyingSpaghettiMoner]

8:50 the project they are talking about is Lisa, which was canceled last month.

[FlyingSpaghettiMoner]

@Upermonotheismos This only implies during a discovery, nothing will ever change a fact in the future, soon as something becomes a fact no matter how hard you will try you wouldn't be able to change that. Take the shape of the earth, scientists thought 500 years ago about a flat earth, now we know as a fact the earth isn't flat.

[syrrus21]

It's a shame that NASA has pulled funding for the LISA project (the space laser interferometer experiment). It could have answered many of the interesting unanswered questions in physics and cosmology. Let's hope that the Europeans are willing to continue the project.

[codownni]

Wish I had been taught this at School, Im 22 and have taught myself more, and learnt more from the Internet than I have from a decade at School

[FIGHTFANNERD3]

@codownni sadly thats the truth

[SilkyScreen]

AH! 00:15

[mattysimsoficial]

The acceptance of Christ or a God like figure is as radical as believing half if not most of these theories. Not saying I do or do not believe in God. Simply stating that most people act as if scientists and or theory are 100% correct...I'm prepared for thumbs down on this

[DieserBenuterIstCool]

@mattysimsoficial

No one said that those theories must be 100% correct, douche. Rather, they have some BACKING behind them instead of the handwaving, magical bullshit that religious fucktards propose. Understood?

[mattysimsoficial]

@DieserBenuterIstCool The fact you are angry is beyond me. Sorry you feel this way...But I was not implying anything to what you have said. Simply shows you have little understanding to show such hate towards someone you have not ever met ;) Have a nice life fella

[Emaniac69]

@mattysimsoficial actually, the acceptance of a higher power is even more radical, given that at least these theories have some empirical and mathematical support. Since the universe is ever-changing, and because of the complexity of it, one should expect that the theories that we develop now are just placeholders for better and more precise theories. Religion offers certainty; science promotes doubt. What many people swear to be "TRUE" (e.g. life after death) has not a shred of evidence.

[benthejrporter]

Very interesting. Thanks for this programme. (Somebody else has put up Part 6)

[benthejrporter]

The LIGO looks a bit like the Michaelson-Morely Experiment. That failed, but will this one?

[peterpaulie]

that rubix/jenga cube got fucking owned

[teainthesahara]

This hasn't been my favorite documentary till now, but this Big Bang detector is AWESOME! Detecting traces of PREVIOUS Big Bangs! //Jaw falls to floor//

I had always been sure that all information, if any, was destroyed at the Big Bang! Wow. :-)

[derekrhode]

I love science. Its the only good thing mankind is doing.

[bellaKohler]

One moment in my life, I wanted to commit suicide. Two things prevented me from doing so: The love for my friends, parents, etc. I didn't want to leave them behind. and SCIENCE! :P I thought 'so much to discover, so many mysteries to unravel, and I want to know! I'm not going to leave this world before I know more about it all!' I always loved science, and I still love it. ;P And I don't care that half of my class laughed at me when I said I wanted to be a scientis. Science rocks. Period.

[theyasin33]

@bellaKohler Nice to hear that! There is too much to learn!!! 8)

[thescorpionking2020]

science is fucking awesome

[gamesbok]

With optical astronomy ultimate precission is required. It seems that with radio astronomy any old piece of tin will do.

[OpiatedBliss]

7:07

Badass

[orarkcray]

I am the one dislike, i slipped. Go science!

[shiloch]

Science made twinkies.Twinkies are heavenly.Science meets god in twinkies. We can all relax now.

[happylinnetful]

i lol'd hardcore at any kind of science in louisiana. -___- buncha rednecks round here

[Elvarks]

"Good news!" @ 09:15

[aegisgfx]

Science, in Louisiana??? What, the science of banjo picking?

[happylinnetful]

@aegisgfx ..what part of louisiana?

[kkristiekevin]

Wow guys! It's AWESOME to read all your comments about science and religion! FINALLY people who don't just say "God created everything.......end of story". I am sooooo tired of soooooo many people just blindly believing in ancient beliefs that we as a species should have moved past YEARS and YEARS ago. We would be so much further as a race if it wasn't for so many CLOSED MINDED ignorant people. I think it's well past time that everyone opens there eyes and sees that God (as a belief) is dead.

[jimmyjimmyjimjim2293]

@kkristiekevin i have never met a creationist, especially not a conservative creationist. stop attacking straw men

[kkristiekevin]

@jimmyjimmyjimjim2293 Get a clue fool! You have no idea what you're talking about.

[t10parwani]

This guys brain s as tiny as 10x-7.... God has created the everything... and he s out of our mathamatical equation.. The problem s that we bring God into our time circle.. but God created that time...,

[TheSpankymonkey]

@t10parwani "God has created the everything" - Care to prove this? Enough of your tiresome nonsense. Put up, or shut up.

[t10parwani]

@TheSpankymonkey Well first off all u should respect urself, so i can have a proper conversation with u.. and i can prove to u even scientificly... im a student of comparitive religion and science... So once u know how to type sensibly then drop me a message and we can have dialogue

[TheSpankymonkey]

@t10parwani "u, urself, u, scientificly, have dialogue," - "So once u know how to type sensibly" - Sometimes it is best to simply shut up rather than to speak and remove all doubt in peoples minds that you are an idiot.

[t10parwani]

@TheSpankymonkey wel ur a shylog with no fuckin brains,except some sheep balls shoved in ur dead head.. fool... cyte

[cinema0fanboy]

before Copernicus and Galileo there was Aryabhata.

[insideaNWO]

big bang, big bounce, random, black holes,gravity waves...any thing but a God...don't you dare think or speak of a God.

[TheSpankymonkey]

@insideaNWO "don't you dare think or speak of a God." - Not really, you are just so thick you don't understand how the world works and then criticise it. Science is defined, that definition clearly states that a theory should be falsifiable, demonstrable and make predictions. God does not fall into what we call science. So why the fuck would a scientist.... ever introduce non science into science? Do you finally get it now stupid person? SCIENCE. SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE. God = RELIGION...

[TheSpankymonkey]

@insideaNWO - Do you demand that a sports teacher invoke god when he develops sports techniques? Do you demand god is invoked in maths? Do you demand that god is invoked in every subject of study man attempts? The answer, in short is no. Your problem stems from the fact that "creation" has been the domain of religious nuts who knew nothing of what they spoke. We have already moved so far past silly creation stories. If you can prove god, bring it. These guys have to prove things, SO DO YOU.

[beenused1]

i really wish the scientists of today need to focus their resources on things that have validity. we spend billions on equipment to measure shit that happened billions of years ago WHY?????????????? Fucking waste of time and resources

[Freshhhhh1982]

@beenused1 Really dumb comment.

[beenused1]

@Freshhhhh1982 and why is that a dumb comment because i want the truth ??? Why are we spending billions on telescopes when there are starving people and a 14% unemployment rate ?? answer that smarty pants

[beenused1]

@Freshhhhh1982 UHMKFX5ozd0 there this is why

[beenused1]

up untill this time all you scientists say my thory is a fact.... then its disproved and put back to a theory so therefore even if you say all the pieces fit this is how it happened. next year they will disprove your model back to the original paradox so what really is the freaking point what a waste of resources

[Deadlycolli]

I think Penrose's theory is by far the best. The concept that a universe of which there is no matter and only energy gives rise to the concept of big and small being completely equivalent makes perfect sense to me.

[HybOj]

@Deadlycolli Same here, I was really looking forward to hear the Penrose theory - as I somehow expected that it will be "the shit" - and he didnt dissapointed me. He really introduced something new, IMO, new Idea I havent think about. Thats what I expect to hear when great scientist speaks.

[pitviper12345]

the two theories I liked so far were those of Dr. Penrose and Dr. Param Singh's. Which were yours? :)

[chrisoconnor91]

i think Penrose is right because he got the furthest through the puzzle!

[fdr100100]

what doesnt make any sense is that if there cant be nothing or infinity because there has to be a cause and efffect then by that logic if there is a cause to every effect then isnt that infinite

[LooneyLopez]

0:15 Orgasm

[logicCplusplus]

My theory:

Imagine the universe is a chip inside a computer. The chip interfaces with other chips, and it knows nothing of other chips inside the computer except input and output signals (the interface). Now, these physicists are trying to explain the universes existence from the point of view of the interface, but they are merely explaining the possible interfaces, and not the chip itself. You simply cannot explain the universes existence by explaining the interface.

[ZeppelinFloydRoses]

@logicCplusplus can you explain the maths?

[freezazoid]

2:53 he keeps saying "non-random"? Can't he just say "ordered"? The opposite of random I believe is "ordered"... but he's avoiding that word. What I'd like to ask him is: if the universe turns out to be nonrandom, then what will it look like?... he's not giving any clues to that. Will all matter be evenly placed in a non-random universe? I have no idea what he means by nonrandom... any comments are welcome.

[AutodidacticPhd]

@freezazoid Oddly enough, the way in which "ordered" and "random" are defined in physics, it is possible for some things (the universe as we currently understand it being a prime example) to, in fact, be both.

[SilkyScreen]

@freezazoid as I was reading your comment he started saying non-random about 3 times, im scared <;<

[nehorlavazapalka]

8:11 best moment ever

[beatsone]

"a change of mind is not something unpleasant, its something exhilarating"

[mranere]

This is why I love science. Truth based on experimentation, discovery, investigation and the confirmation of those ideas. Science changes its views based on what is observed and learned. It is to be expected that ideas will change as we learn more and discover more. Absolutely fantastic stuff.

[rhadiel]

@mranere What I trully love about science is the fact you are allowed to question everything! Encouraged, even.

[Scronix]

@mranere Although I do agree on your main point, I disagree with the statement that this is the truth. It might be, or more likely; it might not be. We as humanity are always changing theories to adapt our latest understandings of the vast universe we are living in. Science is an utility to improve the probabilities of discovering the truth; but the theories we are stumbling upon are by no means the truth itself. Nevertheless, and needless to say, science is beautiful.

[mattrix2007]

@mranere If only religion did the same.  I believe in a cyclic multiverse coded with the inteligence of consciousness, which we are all small parts of.

[TheScalesHaveFallen]

@mattrix2007 The reason why religion does not change is that it claims to have the truth, it claims it is the truth. Science is the search for truth, or the search for theories and laws that lead to some sort of truth or fact.  Science is also based on the physical, what we can see and examine. Religion fails on all these levels. The main tenant of religion is faith. This is why religion fails, you can't observe faith, test faith, or even put the idea of God to the test. What a joke it is.

[mattrix2007]

@TheScalesHaveFallen i like your comment, and totally agree.

[SteveSabbai]

@mranere ...WRONG! God created the universe, the earth is only 10,000yrs old, humans coexisted with dinosaurs. LOL can you believe that there are people that still believe this nonsense!? dont you love how anytime science cant explain something with 100% accuracy creationists use that to validate their belief. NOONE can prove 100% that there is not a god but neither can anyone prove 100% that there is a god. im going to stick with Science since that makes the most sense at this time.

[mranere]

@SteveSabbai Lol. To those who think that any gap in our knowledge must be the work of some sort of sky fairy I simply say this: "I'm willing to put our differences aside, for science... you monster."

[sobpatrick]

@mranere I would like to agree, but I can only see science as a mirage. Everything seems to work nicely, but then you think about it, and you have no idea why it's working at all - it is completely reliant on the concepts of force, energy and matter - yet can't remotely define any of them - like taking a step towards infinity and thinking you are getting closer to it's end - it's an exercise in futility - sure you can call it "scientific truth" but how much credibility should you really give it

[mranere]

@sobpatrick It's the truth as best we know it from observation, experimentation, investigation and learning from mistakes. But to say you think science is a mirage, that's a bit out there don't you think? I place a ton of credibility in science that is properly done. If you don't think science is reliable, then what is? We are still learning and fumbling around in the dark within a cosmos that is more incredible than anyone has ever imagined. Infinity, yep, there is always more to learn.

[sobpatrick]

@mranere at one time "gospell truth" was the standard. That is pretty much laughed off by people who see "scientific truth" as the standard - not realizing that both are constructs of the same human mind - even though there's almost 7 billion of us, there is still only one mind that allows 7 billion to perceive something one way. redirect one and 7 billion will follow - easy for a good media magician. Also - we are not wired to want the absolute truth, but to want what makes us happy 

[mranere]

@sobpatrick Once you compare "religious truth" to scientific evidence you have gone into the realm of lunacy. Have a great life, I won't be returning to this discussion.

[sobpatrick]

@mranere - you're basically saying science encourages the questioning of everything - so longs as it doesn't support any religious view - how can you talk about truth? - all the while science completely supports the existance of a higher power - albeit an evolved one - abiogenesis says life, billions of years beyond us on the evolutionary chain exists everywhere in the universe - the interesting thing about science and religion is that there are an equal amount of fanatics in both

[metalorg]

I hate the narration. I hate how he mixes these stupid pseudo intellectual philosophical terms in with these genuine scientific hypotheses and use them with over-sensationalism. There has been no turning scientific convention on it's head at all. It's not a cosmological revolution. It's just slightly refining and adding to what we already know.

[malice1337]

@metalorg the narrator is just some british idiot he doesnt belong in the same room with these physicists.

[Kreadus005]

Haha 3:25

Good observer!

[stojadinovicp]

I'm sorry, but the Big Bang was NEVER a scientific fact! It was the best theory we had, but not a fact. Saying it was a fact is like saying the earth was in fact flat before it was round. No it wasn't, it was always round, we only thought it was flat due to the evidence at hand...

[Dubonjierugi]

@stojadinovicp No scientist in the field of science would use the phrase scientific fact. None of them said it was a definite theory but the explainable and seemingly plausible hypothesis used until we could find a better hypothesis or even an irrefutable theory. Now the belief of the big bang has just about been almost thrown out as you can see. Many of these scientists use it as a stepping stone in order to develop better theories and in some cases have gotten rid of the idea of the big bang.

[markuseraccount]

@Dubonjierugi most of the scientists in these videos believe in it

[vampirepacman]

@stojadinovicp Your point reminds me of a quote of Asimov's: ``when people thought the earth was flat, they were wrong. When people thought the earth was spherical, they were wrong. But if you think that thinking the earth is spherical is just as wrong as thinking the earth is flat, then your view is wronger than both of them put together."

[stojadinovicp]

@vampirepacman: I just feel that such statements lead those less educated to think science makes false claims as facts and then changes them here and there arbitrarily... such "arguments" are used by the "evolution is just a theory" community where they claim that "science" said the earth was flat and so on... i can just see in 100 years their kids will claim "yes, but science claimed the big bang was a fact"...

[vampirepacman]

@stojadinovicp I share your concerns