07.36(East London) Chemtrail Spray(non-flight path)

[disinfoman]

how can you tell how high those aircraft were? Radar? laser range finder?

[RachelBartlett]

Don't waste your energy discussing with people who refuse to look up.

Please tell people in and near London to join the

meetup . com / UKSKYWATCH /

meetup group on CTs.

There are many more things we can do. We are made for these times. Be bold, and mighty forces will come to your aid.

[countesscristo]

Okay,thanks.

[Lindasufos]

Excellent footage of chemtrails. 5 stars.

[mcprankster]

hmmm.... why are these trails a common occurence in east london??? perhaps these aeroplanes fly from the nearby city airport? check out my video also taken in east london.

[countesscristo]

'Going out' these days under the surveillance of the Secret Service Stasi is just another diversion for me.

[YouAreQuiteRight]

The expression "get out more" which I am sure you have heard echoing in the space between your ears, means to go outside, not meerly look out the window.

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Why don't you go to Wesfield London, for the day?

That is a nice place to visit and if the sun is shining there are plenty sunny cafes from where you may watch the passing-by humans -of both genders -more tranquil than airplanes.

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Don't worry, I am talking about myself.

[countesscristo]

'Westfield' you must be joking? That is another disaster built on the damage the government has already done to this country. I was delivering building materials to that site back in October before it was completed,so you could say been there done that. It's the exact kind of fake soulless mass consumer production I am arguing against! I'd rather be taking shots of the sky,even if they are filled with spraying pollution.

[unusmultorumm]

That is strange, because when I fly I regulary get a clearance from ATC saying:

"cleared direct TULIP, climb 60"

"cleared direct FAR, keep speed below 250"

Yes, aircraft are allowed to fly outside airways as long as they are controlled by ATC.

Especially with these high fuel costs it happens more and more.

[countesscristo]

Well that's not what it says in the military manual. Perhaps as a pilot you could tell me then,why are your colleagues participating in the Orwellian industrial spraying of our skies? Perhaps even you do it? Are pilots aware of what they are doing? I heard the chems are fuelled into their tanks through trucks normally used to vacuum the toilet tanks. Some pilots must have been made suspicious by what is going on,they are closest to the sky?

[unusmultorumm]

I fly Airbus A320 and no, there is no such thing as airliners laying out chemtrails.

If there are any spray operations, I will notice because it is my duty to know and inspect my aircraft.

Do you suggest the chemicals are added to the fuel?

No chem will survive the extreme heat of the combustion chambers and turbine. The temperature is so high that is is very close to melting the engine. It is so hot that 80% of the air in the core is used for cooling instead of combustion.

[countesscristo]

No,not in the fuel system,but given their own tanks,pumps and 'jets' within the craft. A mechanic in US has verified he discovered this all added,built in as he went by mistake into the wrong craft. He got fired,only a few mechanics are supposed to work on these specific planes. That's why military planes 'off course' are used so much,they've no need to hide the extra equipment. The jets are placed on back of wings or near exhaust. Have you not noticed lingering 'chemsoup' in sky lately?

[unusmultorumm]

I can tell you there is no room in or near the toilet tanks.

I have read the story on the engineer before and have to say that it is a fraud, although he does have some aircraft knowledge.

The parts he describes are fitted only on small aircraft, not on airliners.

And second, if what he tells is correct then the trails should come from the wingtips instead of the engines.

Third, there is no hierarchy in aircraft maintenance. Every engineer can go where he pleases.

[unusmultorumm]

There are no static dischargers near the engines, only on the wingtips and stabilizers.

Furthermore the added weight will be noticed by the pilots. Because the weight and balance is a vital part of the flight planning, it will get noticed when the aircraft is several tons heavier than normal.

[countesscristo]

Maybe you fly a small plane. Much of the spraying is coming from commercial liners.

[countesscristo]

chem smog hangs around for ages,and turns within minutes a clear sky into a milky haze,followed by gathering of clouds,then later rapid shifting to spread clouds around. Whole sky becomes overcast. If plane fuel is so hot when it comes out,how can it have such an effect on the sky where it hangs around for hours in milky,glowing fish-like spines?

[unusmultorumm]

Clouds also spread and can hang around for hours, even days.

What is the difference between a high altitude cloud and a contrails? They are both mede out of ice crystals.

If you really think aircraft spray chemicals then can you answer me why passengers and pilots aren't getting ill or dying all the time when they fly through a "chemtrail"?

They should be breathing lethal concentrations.

[countesscristo]

I never said they were putting instantaneous lethal amounts of poison in,they are using barium,a slow poison. Firstly it is used to mindcontrol,keep our brain levels suppressed along with the recently and rapidly installed TETRA masts being erected all over the country,in every area,the two work together to radiate the body and brain,and keep us in the 'hive 'controlled state of fevered zombie-ism.

[unusmultorumm]

Do you actually have any proof of that?

BTW, potatoes and sugar are more toxic than barium is...

And even if, it is not working apparently...

[countesscristo]

yeah,and alcohol kills. Barium IS a slow poison,there are plenty of articles on it on the web,just type in B.A.R.I.U.M. Yes it is working,people are complaining of feeling energyless,and tired,there are more cases of asthma in old and young now than ever,more cases than ever of people being admitted into hospital due to respiratory problems. People are complaining of headaches,nosebleeds,nausea,si­ckness,every time a TETRA mast goes up near them. Chemtrails add mix to the soup.

[unusmultorumm]

Link me the medical paper or WHO site that states Barium is a slow poision and accumulates in the body.

Barium:

There are no excessive amounts of barium found in the samples taken by believers.

And these samples were taken from the ground, so how can you possibly say that contrails consist of barium?

[countesscristo]

You wouldn't feel any affects of barium straight away,it reduces your immune system over time. Many British pilots have been complaining of headaches,sickness and nausea,more than ever,though of course the Medicine industry and Big Pharma aren't going to come out and say it is chemtrails.Also you are in a plane,so you aren't going to be exposed as someone who has them lingering and falling out over their heads all day,every day.

[unusmultorumm]

Not according the WHO.

I see no abnormal illness rates among my collegues. The only factors reducing our health are workload and cosmic radiation.

Can you give me a scientific link confirming the high illness rate of BA pilots?

[2giveup]

not pilots are you sure these are manned flights..??? lets look at local health provider stats of next few days after sparaying. breathing disorders and deaths go up after certian spraying..FACT..

[unusmultorumm]

95% of the aircraft claimed to be sprayers turn out to be civilian airliners the other 5% are military and research aircraft.

If spraying really takes place pilots should breathe a lethal amount of chemicals when flying through a "chemtrail". Yet I am still healthy and there is no abnormal sillnes rate among my collegues.

Can you hand me the reports that state the illnesses?

[countesscristo]

WHO will never tell you there is anything wrong with the world,unless it's something they want you to think.

[unusmultorumm]

Then prove them wrong.

The WHO is not a stand alone leading mythical society.

If one of their figures are incorrect it will be noticed very quickly by third parties.

[countesscristo]

There are thousands of third parties,just like the links I gave you,but you call them conspiracy theorists. I would have thought the video and the state of your skies themselves would prove them wrong,but people enter 'cognitive dissonance' komatose,ie. they don't want to accept the obvious as it hasn't been relayed to them by the 'mainstream'.

[unusmultorumm]

I can't say I feel energyless and I fly in "chemtrails all the time. If one person should be affected it would be a pilot.

This is what the CDC and EPA say on Barium:

- Barium gets into the air during the mining, refining, and production of barium compounds, and from the burning of coal and oil.

- The EPA has set a limit of 2.0 milligrams of barium per liter of drinking water.

The amount found by believers was only 5% of this limit.

[countesscristo]

And you believe everything they say in 'mainstream' science? Barium was used during the second world war to block radar,disabling the enemy fire from zoning in on targets. The chaff mix of chemtrail spraying consists of fibers of aluminium,glass and plastic,barium is a catalyst that causes another reaction once the 'mix' is in the air. Morgellon's disease has been cited as a result of chem spraying,the numbers are growing,particularly in the US where they have been heavily spraying for years.

[unusmultorumm]

And you believe everything they say on shady conspiracy sites?

Have you got any proof that this disease is linked with aereal spraying?

[2giveup]

another mole i could give you govermental link after link from around the world studies field reports dispersion units footage of planes filled with tanks. Grey goo coined by military no it doesnt exist there are no planes fling back and forth leaving trails not flying in airways and have no passengers some military some not most unmarked.stick with out of site out of mind it seems to work better for u debunkers.when links are given to people like you they seem to dissappear.

[countesscristo]

Anyone says that chemtrails are non-existent is a fool,and willingly blind. What is there to debunk here,I am giving evidence.

[unusmultorumm]

The only thing you are giving evidence of are long contrails outside the regular airway system.

[countesscristo]

And what could be causing that I wonder,when another similar sized plane at the same height in the same conditions does not leave any,as seen in this video. Have you actually watched the video? Why don't you watch my other chemtrail video called 'East London -nightspraying' you will see some nice plasma shapes appear on the horizon,very unnatural,and tell me they are contrails!

[unusmultorumm]

How can you know the exact altitude of the contrails?

Theanswer is that you can't. Even 1000 feet difference in altitude can be a huge difference in atmospheric conditions.

[countesscristo]

I was there,I filmed it from my balcony directly in the skies above,and not very high. If you haven't noticed,coincidentally planes fly lower and lower these days. Plus they are not going to be high and these are planes leaving Heathrow or City airport,this is 10 miles off Central London. I saw the planes pass and neither of them could have been above 1000 feet. You aren't even supposed to get contrails less than 1300 feet!

[unusmultorumm]

1000 feet is 300 meters. So unless you live in front of a runway that is impossible and illegal.

Contrailsare not limited to altitude, but to temperature. In Alaska you can get contrails on ground level.

Still, there is no way you can guess the exact altitude or even the difference in altitude of the aircraft.

This is what a 1000' and 2000' altitude difference looks like from the cockpit:

/watch?v=eUXfbRkPkNQ

and from the ground:

/watch?v=BF_ZjtoejgQ

[countesscristo]

'contrails are limited to temperature not altitude',but that is the point,the temperature depends on the altitude,that is why they can't form usually below 1300 meters although they have been known to form under.

[unusmultorumm]

Please show me footage of this particular aircraft.

[countesscristo]

It's right here in this video! In front of you,do a yt search for chemtrails,watch loads of them. You are childish,I cannot research for you.

[unusmultorumm]

I can't exactly see the altitude but I can assure you that none of these aircraft flew at 4000'. The last one was not below 25.000'.

[countesscristo]

1300 metres I mean!

[unusmultorumm]

And how do you know they flew at 1300 meter altitude? Have you looked at a radarscreen?

[countesscristo]

Contrails are not supposed to be able to form below 1300 metres. And yes,I used my flight nav tracker,and they were at 1000 metres. When they are that close you can see how close to each other they are. Also it was a very mild day,during early October and it shouldn't have been cold enough to form such amazing 'vapour.'

[countesscristo]

I see you were talking to 'unusmultorumm',he is a pilot you know,who is in 'denial'.

[unusmultorumm]

Yes, there is barium in the drinking water, there always has been, and always will be. Trace amounts, mostly from the environment and some industrial pollution. Its a very small amount, and not dangerous. There is no evidence to suggest it has anything to do with chemtrails.

[unusmultorumm]

Aircraft are not restricted to airways, ATC can clear aircraft direct to certain points if the situation permits.

Airways can also be open on on given days only.

[countesscristo]

Not every day they are not permitted to fly off their route path,as you say,only in an emergency if 'the situation permits.' This is happening every day,all over not only the country but the globe.

[iwasthatdolphin]

Love the music...What is it?

dolphin

[iwasthatdolphin]

Glad you directed me to this video cc.

What a wealth of knowledge you have!

And your ability to think outside the box is most impressive. 5***** I think you could well be correct in your assumptions...Makes sense...

At the risk of appearing duh! what does GPS actually stand for?

And isn't TETRA the system introduced for the police sevices etc.? Which in turn could mean that they intend to 'remotely control' the 'robo-cops' right enough! omg!

Please elaborate???

Thanks again,

dolphin

dolphin

[countesscristo]

GPS stands for global positioning satellite.We use it for our sat navs now,but there it is on the same frequency as the one used for the microchip,and widespread speculation is the current GPS network is being set up for that. As for the Police and TETRA,yes that is the reason given for installing it;to 'help' the Police and other officers. Police are the real guinea pigs now,as the nearest but we are all affected by it. Yes,like Robocop,mind controlled thought Police zapped by the 'brainwaves'.

[ietert]

Thanks.

But why does that mean they're not commercial planes? And GPS ?

Oh well...

[ietert]

How do you know they're non-flightpath?

[countesscristo]

Two planes fly across in close proximity to each other in opposite directions,one or two minutes apart,for one or two days a week. There are no other planes right over my house like this,except those circling to land at City airport. And commercial planes don't normally spray chemtrails before they are about to land. I came to the conclusion,by their random appearance,they are military.I've also come to the conclusion the chems are to enhance electromagnetic mind control through TETRA,RF,GPS.

[countesscristo]

Because if it was a commercial route,there would be regular planes over this path,instead of a couple of times a week. The GPS signal wave and satellite network,many believe ,has been introduced to us in order to covertly set up the 'microchip' network. The GPS and planned microchip network is exactly the same,the GPS feeds the chips for pets now. TETRA used for 'emergency' handsets zaps radiation and causes 'entrainment' in the human brain(loss of regular frequency)