A MI PARECER , EL MEJOR BASTIANINI, ES BASTIANINI, PERO TAGLIABUE ES UN BARÍTONO IMPRESIONANTE, HABLO DE LOS GRANDES CANTANTES , POR DESGRACIA YA DESAPARECIDOS, EN PRESENTE, PORQUE MIENTRAS ESTEN SUS GRABACIONES PARA MI SIGUEN MÁS VIVOS, QUE MUCHOS DE LOS DE HOY DIA,--.....
@Maripudelmonaco la versión de Bastianini con la Decca es muy buena, Bastianini tiene un voz mucho más oscura que la de Tagliabue pero no tiene la linea de canto de Tagliabue. Eso si por más que trato de escuchar siempre nuevos cantantes me quedo con los de antes.
@xavierfersanta - PUES ESTAMOS DE ACUERDO, LO CUAL ME ALEGRA, MI BARÍTONO, DE SIEMPRE HA SIDO BASTIANINI, RESPETO QUE PREFIERAS A TAGLIABUE, PORQUE EN VERDAD NO LO CONSIDERO PEOR QUE BASTIANINI, SINO QUE ES CUESTIÓN DE CÓMO TE LLENE EL CANTANTE, EN SUMA: !!! DOS MONSTRUOS SAGRADOS !!!, QUE NOS DAN FELICIDAD , Y TAL COMO ESTÁ EL MUNDO, ES MUCHO- SALUDOS !!!
The best A-flat of the many recordings of this aria? You have to be kidding! Good, but nowhere remotely in the league of Ruffo, Warren, Merrill, MacNeil, Capp., Shore, etc. His voice is a fach lighter than any of these and sounds tenorial in comparison.
Non avrà la potenza di certi baritoni ma questa è una gran bella voce.Quando c'è una dizione come la sua, dove ogni parola viene capita in modo chiaro, la percezione che ne consegue è veramente gradevole.
Tagliabue is admired among Verdi baritones for his legato and style but no so much for his tone, which was often had a noise mixture with it, that is bi-noises could be heard within the production of the voice. It was also a lighter voice than the benchmark Verdi baritones of his day and after. His A flat is good but really cannot compare with Warren's, MacNeil's, Cappuccilli's or even Bastianini's. He was a good baritone. Basta.
I´m talking about the A flat in the Aria Pescator affonda l'esca, i've heard a lot records of " La Gioconda" and haven't found one better, he got not a huge voice but got an incredible brilliant timbre that passes all the orchestras. Could any one show me one better recording of this aria?
Robert Merrill made a wonderful showing in this piece in the Decca Gioconda with Tebaldi. Wonderful rhythm.
It was also a specialty of Giuseppe De Luca's.
I like Tagliabue in the Marinuzzi Forza del Destino, where he sounds anything but a light baritone! Here he has a bit of a shudder. The A-flat is certainly good, except for the release.
L' impostazione un poco un dietro è più prudente. This very forward, uncovered placement of Tagliabue is very dangerous, when used in conjunction with verismo violence. That is why his voice sounds a bit traballante and at the end of the (temerario!) La-bemolle si sente una specie d' ingoiata.
E una brava voce Italiana, però. Fa piacere sentirla.
@xavierfersanta Tout à fait,je confirme;on a oublié la signification profonde de cette expression:On doit ouvrir la voix,elle se couvre d'elle même quand la place est bonne.
Aujourd'hui,on couvre artificiellement la voix et on l'enfouit,bien souvent dans la gorge.
@AulicExclusiva I recommend you to study the the basics of 19th century Italian singing technique and style. A sound can't be, as you wrote, at the same time "very forward" (that is: well placed in the mask) and "uncovered". The covering of the sound is conducive to the forward placement of the high notes. All of Tagliabue's D 3 are covered (and the vowels darkened) to a perfection. Tagliabue's technique is one of the most wonderful and impeccable that can be heard on disc.
@AulicExclusiva Ton matériel n'est pas conforme,ou bien change la pile de ton sonotone,mais surtout,arrête de dire des bêtises,on va finir par voir que tu n'y connait rien!Si un baryton n'ouvre pas sur un mi bémol,il ouvre quand,et comment pourrait-il espérer un la bémol?Couvre ta voix,tu l'ouvres pour rien!
@AulicExclusiva Technically speaking, Merril couldn't hold a candle to Tagliabue (Merril was incapable of true diminuendo and true mezzavoce, while Tagliabue was a past master at singing with an infinite palette of shadings. De Luca, who was one of the greatest baritones in history and a consummate stylist, was unfortunately a short baritone. All of his high Gs are very cautiously produced.
Agreed. A good voice, stylishly used, but Tagliabue's timbre wasn't all that distinctive or exciting. Certainly not compared to those you mention. (I'd add at one more baritone to your list -- Joseph Shore:) Oh, also Bardelli ) --
@MaestroJosephShore No he wasn't only a good baritone. He was the last of a breed. Warren is certainly in Tagliabue's league (and so is MacNeil), Cappuccilli had stunning high notes but certainly couldn't boast Tagliabue's wonderful breath control. Bastianini had a big voice, That's all he had. His singing wasn't nuancé and he often sounds boring.
Perhaps the best baritone from a technical standpoint that has ever sung. This is the one we should be judging others against. This is no tenor make no mistake. There have a been a couple of heavier voiced baritones but who has a legato like this?
Another wonderful singer who I've never heard of, before this YouTube introduction. ! He is definatly a baritone, but I'm sure he could sing some tenor arias, as could many lyric baritones. So, maybe he could have passed as a tenor. The only advantage might be more money. As a baritone he is perfect.
NOooooooooooo, con sus alumnos jugaba a cantar algunas arias de tenor por su impresionante tècnica, por ejemplo cantaba "Lamento di Federico", "Amor ti vieta"
A MI PARECER , EL MEJOR BASTIANINI, ES BASTIANINI, PERO TAGLIABUE ES UN BARÍTONO IMPRESIONANTE, HABLO DE LOS GRANDES CANTANTES , POR DESGRACIA YA DESAPARECIDOS, EN PRESENTE, PORQUE MIENTRAS ESTEN SUS GRABACIONES PARA MI SIGUEN MÁS VIVOS, QUE MUCHOS DE LOS DE HOY DIA,--.....
Maripudelmonaco 2 weeks ago
@Maripudelmonaco la versión de Bastianini con la Decca es muy buena, Bastianini tiene un voz mucho más oscura que la de Tagliabue pero no tiene la linea de canto de Tagliabue. Eso si por más que trato de escuchar siempre nuevos cantantes me quedo con los de antes.
xavierfersanta 2 weeks ago
@xavierfersanta - PUES ESTAMOS DE ACUERDO, LO CUAL ME ALEGRA, MI BARÍTONO, DE SIEMPRE HA SIDO BASTIANINI, RESPETO QUE PREFIERAS A TAGLIABUE, PORQUE EN VERDAD NO LO CONSIDERO PEOR QUE BASTIANINI, SINO QUE ES CUESTIÓN DE CÓMO TE LLENE EL CANTANTE, EN SUMA: !!! DOS MONSTRUOS SAGRADOS !!!, QUE NOS DAN FELICIDAD , Y TAL COMO ESTÁ EL MUNDO, ES MUCHO- SALUDOS !!!
Maripudelmonaco 2 weeks ago
The best A-flat of the many recordings of this aria? You have to be kidding! Good, but nowhere remotely in the league of Ruffo, Warren, Merrill, MacNeil, Capp., Shore, etc. His voice is a fach lighter than any of these and sounds tenorial in comparison.
countceprano 5 months ago
@countceprano I respect you opinion, but for me in this aria is the best, Ruffo, Warren, Merrill, MacNeil, Cappuccilli are great baritones.
xavierfersanta 4 months ago
Beau chant ...
Merci pour le post .
francesca7564 5 months ago
SUBLIME !!!
31122051 1 year ago
Très bonne interprétation,sobre et musicale.
abracadabranque 1 year ago
Non avrà la potenza di certi baritoni ma questa è una gran bella voce.Quando c'è una dizione come la sua, dove ogni parola viene capita in modo chiaro, la percezione che ne consegue è veramente gradevole.
malamutet 1 year ago
Tagliabue is admired among Verdi baritones for his legato and style but no so much for his tone, which was often had a noise mixture with it, that is bi-noises could be heard within the production of the voice. It was also a lighter voice than the benchmark Verdi baritones of his day and after. His A flat is good but really cannot compare with Warren's, MacNeil's, Cappuccilli's or even Bastianini's. He was a good baritone. Basta.
MaestroJosephShore 2 years ago
Let alone Ruffo's A flat. I fully agree with your comments.
meltzerboy 2 years ago
I´m talking about the A flat in the Aria Pescator affonda l'esca, i've heard a lot records of " La Gioconda" and haven't found one better, he got not a huge voice but got an incredible brilliant timbre that passes all the orchestras. Could any one show me one better recording of this aria?
xavierfersanta 2 years ago
Robert Merrill made a wonderful showing in this piece in the Decca Gioconda with Tebaldi. Wonderful rhythm.
It was also a specialty of Giuseppe De Luca's.
I like Tagliabue in the Marinuzzi Forza del Destino, where he sounds anything but a light baritone! Here he has a bit of a shudder. The A-flat is certainly good, except for the release.
AulicExclusiva 2 years ago
I got Merrill's Gioconda Lps, his A flat and Gs are un po in dietro, but mr. Bob got a gold Voice with an incredible beauty timbre.
xavierfersanta 2 years ago
L' impostazione un poco un dietro è più prudente. This very forward, uncovered placement of Tagliabue is very dangerous, when used in conjunction with verismo violence. That is why his voice sounds a bit traballante and at the end of the (temerario!) La-bemolle si sente una specie d' ingoiata.
E una brava voce Italiana, però. Fa piacere sentirla.
AulicExclusiva 2 years ago
al La-bemolle non sento una specie d'ingoiata sento il vero "aperto ma coperto" della vera scuola italiana.
xavierfersanta 2 years ago
Ho detto alla fine, quando sciolta.
AulicExclusiva 2 years ago
@xavierfersanta Tout à fait,je confirme;on a oublié la signification profonde de cette expression:On doit ouvrir la voix,elle se couvre d'elle même quand la place est bonne.
Aujourd'hui,on couvre artificiellement la voix et on l'enfouit,bien souvent dans la gorge.
J'entends ici tout le contraire!
Salutations!
abracadabranque 1 year ago
@AulicExclusiva I recommend you to study the the basics of 19th century Italian singing technique and style. A sound can't be, as you wrote, at the same time "very forward" (that is: well placed in the mask) and "uncovered". The covering of the sound is conducive to the forward placement of the high notes. All of Tagliabue's D 3 are covered (and the vowels darkened) to a perfection. Tagliabue's technique is one of the most wonderful and impeccable that can be heard on disc.
horowitz109 1 year ago
@AulicExclusiva Ton matériel n'est pas conforme,ou bien change la pile de ton sonotone,mais surtout,arrête de dire des bêtises,on va finir par voir que tu n'y connait rien!Si un baryton n'ouvre pas sur un mi bémol,il ouvre quand,et comment pourrait-il espérer un la bémol?Couvre ta voix,tu l'ouvres pour rien!
abracadabranque 1 year ago
@AulicExclusiva Technically speaking, Merril couldn't hold a candle to Tagliabue (Merril was incapable of true diminuendo and true mezzavoce, while Tagliabue was a past master at singing with an infinite palette of shadings. De Luca, who was one of the greatest baritones in history and a consummate stylist, was unfortunately a short baritone. All of his high Gs are very cautiously produced.
horowitz109 1 year ago
@xavierfersanta Titta Ruffo maybe :D
seektheforce 1 year ago
@seektheforce Ruffo's recording of this aria in 1912 is also incredible.
xavierfersanta 1 year ago
Agreed. A good voice, stylishly used, but Tagliabue's timbre wasn't all that distinctive or exciting. Certainly not compared to those you mention. (I'd add at one more baritone to your list -- Joseph Shore:) Oh, also Bardelli ) --
stevevandien 2 years ago
@MaestroJosephShore No he wasn't only a good baritone. He was the last of a breed. Warren is certainly in Tagliabue's league (and so is MacNeil), Cappuccilli had stunning high notes but certainly couldn't boast Tagliabue's wonderful breath control. Bastianini had a big voice, That's all he had. His singing wasn't nuancé and he often sounds boring.
horowitz109 1 year ago
@MaestroJosephShore What about Titta Ruffo?
seektheforce 1 year ago
He is certainly up there with the very best ever! Bravo!
paulostroff99 2 years ago
The Pavarotti of Baritones.
Nater389 2 years ago
But not the Caruso of baritones.
meltzerboy 2 years ago
Perhaps the best baritone from a technical standpoint that has ever sung. This is the one we should be judging others against. This is no tenor make no mistake. There have a been a couple of heavier voiced baritones but who has a legato like this?
deutschefach 3 years ago
Another wonderful singer who I've never heard of, before this YouTube introduction. ! He is definatly a baritone, but I'm sure he could sing some tenor arias, as could many lyric baritones. So, maybe he could have passed as a tenor. The only advantage might be more money. As a baritone he is perfect.
gpoec 3 years ago
No fuè luego tenor?Es excelente!
anguimoto 3 years ago
NOooooooooooo, con sus alumnos jugaba a cantar algunas arias de tenor por su impresionante tècnica, por ejemplo cantaba "Lamento di Federico", "Amor ti vieta"
xavierfersanta 3 years ago
Bravo, un baritono molto importante... purtroppo il voce non e abbastanza aperto et largo sulla E flat... ma molto impressionante...
zanzarone 4 years ago
Awesome!
MrCafiero 4 years ago
But no Ruffo, or is he?
meltzerboy 2 years ago
No one was Ruffo. No one.
MrCafiero 2 years ago
Thankyou for uploading this aria. Brilliant baritone singing.
ashydasher1 4 years ago 3