Ron Paul Values Voter Presidential Debate Closing Statement

[Username2671]

What's with that idiot booing at the end?? "We'd have 5,000 Americans still alive!" BOOOOOOO

[TheGUARDIANMEDIC]

Dr Paul needs to use this speech again, it still applies.

[lpfan091989]

why would any one boo him, he is one of the few politicians that makes any sense and wants to defend the rights of americans and the US, i guess those idiots want to pay taxes and want their children to be at war. thats why i like him, Ron Paul is one of the few that realizes that the country is getting into too many nations. We are not the police of the world and it is costing us, the citizens money. idk about you, but i wouldn't want my children to be sent to a war.

[regusted]

I was there as well as several other GOP and Ron Paul events in the last year. McCain, Thompson and Romney supporters and staff were all very welcoming and expressed respect and admiration for Ron Paul.

It was the Giuliani and Huckabee supporters who usually made complete jackasses of themselves, particularly at the Values Voters debate.

[idislikethissomuch]

such a smart man.....

[sallyann22]

Only 20% of New Hampshire's primary ballots were counted by hand. The other 80% were counted exclusively by Diebold machines.

Stalin once said, "The people who cast the votes decide nothing.

The people who count the votes decide everything."

Vote Ron Paul.

[dtmdtm]

im a liberal and i would happy with this man as our president

[hewolfe]

"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace" Jimi Hendrix

[avidcoffeedrinker]

Wow! I'm Canadian, this guy is WOW! I wish I could vote, cause I would vote for him!!!!

[hewolfe]

get Canada involved. Your sovereignty depends on it.

[nekopheliac]

We are man, we are...search youtube for Canadians for Ron Paul!

Freedom!

[fatesmessenger]

Thank you for Posting!

And Thank You Ron Paul!!!

[Dedhedted71]

That was a good 1 Ron! Logic backed up with passion. Thats how to win them over. Keep up the fight! America is with you! Some of them just don't know it yet.

[fearonism]

i challenge any supporter of any other candidate to honestly heear this man and if your not a convert by the time he's done speaking then...you prolly dont love your liberties enough to care.

[hewolfe]

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

Edmund Burke

[carcabe]

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[Mizral]

Man Ron knows how to work a crowd. He is a shining beacon of what a statesman should be in a crowd of phoney liberals and coroporate suits.

[nododon]

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[treezpleez]

That was an amazing speech. Ron Paul hits the nail on the head, everytime.

[GTOJudge68]

Damn, he was on a roll. It's nice to see someone with intelligence participate in these debates. I think he's the only candidate out there who can actually speak off the cuff without stumbling over his words. He's a great orator.

[ThinkMink15]

Freedom is the foundation of the United States of America. At it's core, when applied to government, it is a principle that our legislators, judges, and leaders take an oath to uphold. It has little to do with morality when applied to a presidential candidate, I think

[letmapeoplego]

thanks for posting

[thinbev]

I used to be a Giuliani supporter, but as I watch more and more of these debates, the only true Christian is Ron Paul. I used to think that Ron Paul has no chance at winning the Republican nomination, but the more and more I watch the debates, the more I think he can win. I am now a Ron Paul supporter.

[Katfish1989]

Good Morning!

[GhaleonStar]

Where there actually morons booing when Ron said we would have 5,000 Americans still alive?

[blujaded]

I think the Ron Paul segments are about the only part of this debate I could stomach. I saw a side of Alan Keyes I'd never seen before in his closing "sermon".

Way to go Ron for holding true to his faith in God as well as his loyalty to the constitution. You will never be able to convince the values voters that you can't legislate morality - that's what they stand for - so RP was the only candidate present that really made this a true "debate".

Thanks, Terbo, for putting this up!

[trianglechoke7]

Murder, theft, rape, and molestation are all illegal and they are immoral too. Isn't that an example of legislating morality?

[RaoulDuke88]

Murder, theft, rape, etc. involve harm to others and therefore it is right that these are illegal. An adult possessing drugs or using them in their own home, does not harm others directly and therefore their prohibition is an example of legislating morality and filling up crowded prisons with non-violent, otherwise innocent citizens.

[trianglechoke7]

I understand the arguments for repealing drug prohibition, and I fully support them but making murder, theft, ect., illegal is still an example of legislating morality. The general principle of "you can't legislate morality" is self-defeating. Why can't you? Is it immoral to do so? If so, then you have contradicted yourself. If not, then why can't you?

[thomasw78]

The principle is you allow people the freedom to do what they want as long as you don't infringe on someone else's freedoms. Someone who does drugs does not necessarily hurt someone else by doing so especially if that drug is a moderate one like marijuana. This is why it makes sense to outlaw drunk driving but not alcohol.

[trianglechoke7]

Haha, I know the principle, and it's a good one but you're all still confused because criminalizing murder ect. is still legislating morality. You either need to say that actions which do no harm to others are not immoral, or some of these actions are immoral but you shouldn't legislate immoral actions that do no harm to others.

[thomasw78]

The right to life was in the Declaration of Independence. You don't have to say its immoral to take life if you believe it is one of the founding principles of our country and that it should be protected regardless of one's personal morality.

[trianglechoke7]

thomasw78,

That makes no sense. I don't have to say murder is immoral because right to life is a founding principle? What is it then? Amoral? If if it's amoral then you would have to say that murdering someone isn't immoral which it obviously is. Are you honestly going to tell me that murdering someone isn't immoral?

[thomasw78]

triangle, thats right... you don't HAVE to say or believe murder is immoral. But the fact is if you do it in this country you go to jail. If you want to argue morality it will be an endless argument.

[blujaded]

Actually, some cultures believe that the taking of a life is "moral" and some also own slaves and marry their young girls off to old men. Even here, we execute people for just, or "moral" reasons. Morals are generally defined by one's religion/culture. One's morals can be vastly different from another's. The taking of a life is a "human rights" issue. Our right to life is the most necessary ingredient for a free society.

[terbocongress]

trianglechoke...

there's a difference between consensual activity and nonconsensual activity.

[trianglechoke7]

terbocongress,

What's your point? Isn't that what I said? Here's the thing: outlawing murder ect. is an example of legislating morality. You need to say something like, "nonconsensual actions that are immoral should be outlawed. However, consensual actions should not be outlawed, because, either (1) They aren't immoral, or (2) some are but you shouldn't legislate them anyway.

[thomasw78]

triangle, Murder is an example of violating someone's freedom to live not necessarily legislating morality. If you adhere to the principles of freedom you don't have to introduce the morality argument. I would agree that there is an argument that the "right to life" has roots in Christian belief but because of its in our Constitution and we have separation of Church and State we don't have to use religion to justify that "right to life" is important.

[trianglechoke7]

Is murder immoral or not?

[thomasw78]

Personally I believe murder is immoral. But if you're going by the Bible then so is homosexuality but I don't want to outlaw that. That's the problem with justifying legislation because of morality. Better to stick with the freedom principle.

[trianglechoke7]

I haven't said that all immoral actions should be illegal. I think consensual actions should remain legal, even if they are immoral. But since murder is immoral, and it should be legislated against, then it must be the case that one should legislate morality. However, that doesn't mean you should to legislate ALL morality, just some. Finally, your freedom principle is meaningless unless it based upon a moral principle of freedom being good/moral.

[thomasw78]

If the only reason to believe in freedom is because its the moral position then you are a hypocrite by allowing any immorality at all.

[cujothekitten]

Any chance you have the whole debate?

[terbocongress]

cujo

The debate was 3 hours long, and I was only carrying a still camera with limited recording capacity. In all honesty- as fascinating as it was to sit in the 4th row- I can't recommend watching 3 hours of this. I will be posting some more snippets, including Alan Keyes' closing statement. Mike Huckabee, Dr. Paul and Keyes deservedly finished 1-2-3 in the poll. John Cox was noteworthy as well.