Communist Leader Earl Browder on Labor Unions

[tlrpsu12]

not

[tlrpsu12]

omg. lets label things and scare ppl to think a certain way. we live in a free country

[sicstyl]

..And that's the kind of greed I'm talking about. Supporting something simply based on the idea that it's helping one financially prosper, be it right or wrong; that's the epitome of greed.

[AEVautomatic]

working at unions sucks, we need somthing better.

[aviomaster]

When did they assasinate him ?

[unclebanana]

Here in the US, the flag waves for the people who own the place--the real people in power. People like Halliburton, General Electric, Wal-Mart, McDonalds, Exxon, Nike, etc. They reap the rewards, while we bear the burdens.

[sicstyl]

The mentality of the pro Labor lot is a perpetual 'cart before the horse', backward mindset. Labor has nothing without the Company that provides everything to make the product, sell the product, and pay the wage..

[unclebanana]

@sicstyl You've got it upside down. Labor produces everything. All food, clothing, infrastructure, everything. The rich live by expropriating the value produced by workers. In a word, they live off of us, not us off of them. 'Oh, but they provide the machinery.' Well, who built the machinery? 'Oh, but they pay the wages.' Sure, but where'd they get the money?

[sicstyl]

@unclebanana "Labor produces everything."

And the sun revolves around the earth... The flashlight isn't producing the light, the light is producing the flashlight... That is exactly the mindset of the Labor camp. Reality upside down. Labor is produced. It is not the source of anything. It's a BY-PRODUCT.

[unclebanana]

@sicstyl It's amazing that a person can be so wrong about something. So you're telling me that the owners and bosses produced the shirt on your back? Or the food you ate for breakfast this morning? I suppose you regard workers as a mere appendage of flesh to be controlled and instructed towards producing goods and services. Just dumb brutes -- hired muscle and sweat, whilst all the real work is done by the stock owners, CEOs and financiers who perform some sort of 'essential' coordination.

[sicstyl]

@unclebanana

"I suppose you regard workers as a mere appendage of flesh.."

I'll have you know that I'm in a Union. And I work in the steel industry. I simply refuse to reject reality. The driving force behind Labor centered people is blind, chronic pride. Sheer arrogance and selfishness. The staunchest Union people are in fact the most egregious violators of the accusations they heap on the 'rich'. It is THEY who are the greediest of the greedy. I've seen it my whole working life.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "It is THEY who are the greediest of the greedy. I've seen it my whole working life.."

How many "riches" do you know, in person and how they make money?

Please name a few.

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

This is a ridiculous question. All I can say is that those in management are pretty well off. And I've always been treated with respect by them. The most disrespectful, morally depraved, and greed driven people have been the union hardliners. I'm simply calling a spade a spade. And if you were honest, you'd agree with me. You know I'm right. People who are big on unions are GREEDY (and morally bankrupt..).

Not talking about everyone in unions. Just the hardliners.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "This is a ridiculous question.."

Why it is a ridiculous question while you have nothng to compare to?

"How many "riches" do you know, in person and how they make money?"

Please name a few.

You don't know any, true or false?

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

I do know some people in good positions, most of them from my church. The question is ridiculous because what I said about the situation is right on the money. And you know it. You undoubtedly work in a union environment, and you know what I'm talking about.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "I do know some people .."

Who are they? Do you know their financial details?

And what makes you think union leaders(names ?) are the greediest of all? If you found it, it must have been publicized, right?

Do they make moeny like these CEO?

Google, "sick for profit Hemsley"

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

"And what makes you think union leaders(names ?) are the greediest of all?"

I'm not naming names on YT, you whacko. I should have laminated and kept a Nov. 2008 union newsletter concerning the election to prove everything I'm saying about union greed here. The editorial instructed us to forget about our moral concerns and be concerned about MONEY first and foremost. In the same editorial, it ripped Bush for his greed.. I felt that I was the only one seeing the hypocrisy.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "I'm not naming names on YT, you whacko,,"

Why not?

If you don't know the names of who are greedier than who, how did you come up with the conclusion that union leaders are greediest?

Did you know how much those CEOs make? You probably compared to those with union leaders. Let's see how much more union leaders make.

Show me.

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

It makes no difference how much money is made by said parties! A person can be broke and still be greedy, ya goof! What matters is the mentality! Greed is the driving force behind everything union! Just look at your questions regarding "who makes more money"- the person making more money is the bad guy! If someone is making more money than you, they're the enemy! Radical greed which translates to hatred for others who have- that's the union way.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "It makes no difference how much money is made by said parties!"

Greed: "excessive or rapacious desire, especially for wealth or possessions"

What's your definition of "Greed", then? And how you compare "Mentality"?

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

"Excessive or rapacious DESIRE for wealth or possessions". Greed describes a mentality.  The mentality of all union hardliners.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "Greed describes a mentality. The mentality of all union hardliners..."

Answer my question.

How did you compare "mentality" of union leaders against corporates CEO?

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

"How did you compare "mentality" of union leaders against corporates CEO?"

Through logical assessment. The CEO has to make a profit by creating more efficient business strategies. The money that that 'unioners' bargain over has nothing to do with ramped up work- the prevailing idea is "if they have it, they should give it to us". For the CEO to make more money, more has to be done to ensure it. Unioners simply demand that money be given to them. It's pretty simple.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "Through logical assessment.."

I'm starting to understand you little bit.

You started as "Union leaders are greediest" now you are talking about union itself.

I understand you kow very little about what's actually going on out there but knows mostly what's *suppose* to work, correct?

When you heard or read about union demands "excessive" amount of money? Show me.

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

Although I went with your terminology, I have to stop that because it's an incorrect description-Ive been talking about those big on unions- the hardliners. The actual union leaders are mostly political scheisters out to push a political agenda. There is no way to convince you that there is something wrong with the hardcore union lot, seeing as how this comment section is under a video about a communist party leader advocating unions. And that doesn't matter to you.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "Although I went with your terminology.."

No answer??!!

How convincing, you have no proof of your point?

Then how did you come up with the conclusion that "Union leaders are *greediest*"?

Not one incident?

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

"Then how did you come up with the conclusion that "Union leaders are *greediest*"?

I NEVER USED THE TERMS 'UNION LEADERS'. YOU DID. I emphasized from the very beginning that's it's the HARDLINERS that are the issue. 'Union leaders' are mostly political scheisters pushing an agenda. 'Hardliners' can be anybody with a strong allegiance to unions. And how did I come to the conclusion? Personal experience. From conversations to the newsletters, my position has been justified.

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "I NEVER USED THE TERMS 'UNION LEADERS'.."

Ok, fair enough.

How about telling your personal experience then.

[sicstyl]

@sicstyl

..The only people that are big on unions are those whose greed blinds their logic. My conclusion is based on what I see, and what is right and wrong. Not whether or not I stand to get paid or not. And that's a real problem. In conversations I've had in the past with big union folks, they start to see what I'm getting at.. And begin to agree. But they feel that the union is the source of their prosperity- and whether they agree with the union or not, they have to support it..

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "Been in a blue collar, union environment .."

No answer?

Help me clear this up.

You can'ty tell one incident in the history that makes unions greedy, you can't tell one personal story that makes union members greedy but you know the unions are the "greediest".

Is this correct?

I'll tell you an example other greedier people. See if you can come up with something better.

See the following comment....

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl

A policy holder of health insurance gets sick and needs a treatment. The doctors find that it'll cost a lot of money. The insurance company sends the adjuster to look into all the record of the client. The adjuster finds a remotely related illness the client had in the past then deny the payment for the treatment and cancel the policy.

This has been going on regular basis and reported many cases but the company never responded.

The CEO makes 3/4 Billion in compensation.

Greed?

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

What you provided was a strawman theory. A hypothetically possible story that you made up. My wife is dealing with a serious incurable illness and she's never been denied treatment. How about union workers demanding their quarterly bonuses when the business is in the tank, which fuels the need for layoffs to pay for it? Yeah. I actually experienced that..

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "What you provided was a strawman theory.."

You've never heard of "Preexisting condition"? They are not talking about denying application because of the preexisting before people signing the policy. Otherwise, it wasn't this much of a controversy, it wouldn't have been mentioned specifically in Obamacare.

What did you think "Preexisting" means when people say it?

If I showed you the proof, you will change your mind?

[allgoo19]

@sicstyl "How about union workers demanding .."

What incident in which year?

Do you know the detail such as how much of bonus CEO was getting in the same year?

In the case like that, accountant hired by the union is usually good at what's fair and what's not.

Let's see your proof.

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

Are you a communist/ communist sympathizer?

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

"You are losing your ground, now want to make it name calling (communist/communist sympathizer)?"

Not name calling. The answer would put this whole thing to rest. The fact is, based on your 'rich people are the enemy' stance, you are at least a sympathizer. Lenin had that attitude. Mao. Che. History has proven that your stance has serious drawbacks.  This 'proof' you're calling for is totally immature. I've outlined perfectly where my conclusions come from.

[tlrpsu12]

@sicstyl yep OMG ITS SO SCARRY KILLL ALL COMMUNISTS. no seriously. stop buying into bullshit and look everythin up

[sicstyl]

..The 'greed' of the CEO is a byproduct of business operation success/failure. Not simply greed. The pro-union mentality operates on greed entirely.

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

Answer this question, are you a communist/communist sympathizer?

[sicstyl]

Respond to this video...

When unions began they had a purpose. Now they exist to collect money, and that's it. Yes they get involved in collective bargaining, but the more we get, the more the union gets. They aren't 'fighting for the working families', they want their cut- a substantial portion of which goes toward political agendas. They exist to take our money while perpetually angering the members about the 'real crooks' in order to make them feel better about it.

[sicstyl]

@allgoo19

This comment section is under a video of a communist party leader and his advocacy of unions, fer cryin' out loud!!! If that doesn't raise a red flag to you (pun not intended), then that is a serious problem.. Unless of course, you are a communist..

[unclebanana]

@sicstyl And if that's the truth about us 'dumb' workers, there sure must be a lot of dummies going around, because we constitute the vast majority of society. You see, a worker is anyone whose livelihood derives from the sale of his or her labor -- not from rent, or investments. I guess there's no chance for us dumb brutes to run society and production successfully then. We had better just resign ourselves to working for the small number of people who own just about everything.

[blahblahblah8183]

Communism has a rich, American history in so many movements and struggles, you name it.

[AmericaLoudNClear]

@blahblahblah8183

Communism has NO part in America, if you want it so bad, move to a Commie country you jackass

[unclebanana]

@AmericaLoudNClear Sure, if you favor the continued corporate rule of the U.S.

[TheWWWJTFORG]

@unclebanana

Corporate rule of the US may not be a great thing but it surely beats govt rule, especially when that govt bankrupts everything it touches.

[unclebanana]

@TheWWWJTFORG Govt. rule is just fine and dandy, if it's popular rule in a republican fashion (republican as in the political structure of governance, not the US political party) with rule by elected officials serving constitutionally limited terms of office. I want to extend this variety of rule to the economy. You and others like you wish for the economy to continue to be dominated by a series of unaccountable, unelected private tyrannies.

[1futile]

According to comrade Browder, jews had nothing to fear from Hitler.

[AmericaLoudNClear]

@1futile

Futile, Communism murdered MANY Jews. ALL left wing murders Jews. Hitler was a LEFTIST.

Anything with 'socialism' in it is LEFTISM.

NAZI-national socialism.<<--

[unclebanana]

@AmericaLoudNClear Communism hasn't killed a single, solitary Jew. Joseph Stalin might have killed some, I don't know for sure, but communism sure hasn't.

[TheWWWJTFORG]

@unclebanana

Communists killed Jews that were still religious or Zionist. or they sent them to gulags.

[unclebanana]

@TheWWWJTFORG Like I stated, Joseph Stalin and his associates may have killed some Jews, but I'm pretty sure that communism hasn't. I'm not even sure if Stalin killed anybody specifically *because* they were Jews though. That strikes me as a little unlikely. Stalin was a fairly paranoid autocrat who used the power he had accumulated to eliminate all those he regarded as a threat, and he certainly killed a lot of communists in this process.

[nicck]

@AmericaLoudNClear You are clearly deluded.

[TheWWWJTFORG]

@nicck

thats what The Soviets said to dissidents;

"You are deluded" while they murdered them.

[nicck]

@TheWWWJTFORG That's what Stalin, who was trying to consolidate power, said to dissidents. That is not communism in any shape or form. If you think it is, then you frankly have no idea. Hence why I called you deluded in the first place. I don't want you to be killed, I want you to read a damn book.

[TheWWWJTFORG]

@nicck

You think not?  Every Communist state has a totalitarian dictator.

[unclebanana]

@TheWWWJTFORG All governments are dictatorships of the dominant social class. This one here in the US is no different. It exists as a mechanism to coercively enforce the rule of the bourgeoisie, or the class which owns society's productive assets (aka 'the means of production')

[TheWWWJTFORG]

@unclebanana

If you dont like our government, then vote them out of office.

[dubified89]

@unclebanana Then the solution is to get rid of government which is the opposite of what Communists do.

[Wilbur665]

Communism is nonsense.

[unclebanana]

@Wilbur665 Wilbur665 is nonsense

[RamsKnicks]

Thanks for posting. Where did you find this speech?