Wanna go back and watch the story before October...need to clear my head a bit, stop feeling like someone have stabbed me in my heart. Watch some happy smiley times!
These 2 brilliant actors continue to kill me with every vid I keep watching!
Danny's just won all these great awards. I'm begging the forces of the universe to spend this political capital on some great new storylines for him, and may it not be mired in months and months of what the fans are predicting: loads of time in court and more loads of time being loveless. [asking a soap not to be predictable? I guess I haven't learned my lesson] For Danny's sake, I hope they write some great stuff, in light of his current boon.
That just it isn't about religions. People always seem to believe that they get the right to judge from there holy writings. He who judges others will be judge him self.
I feel Marc was cheated off his wonderful portrayal ... / Why, even his video within a video is touching. / I don't understand why Emmerdale didn't keep him, but rather, turned him into a "sacrificial lamb" for ratings sake./
@hobophobicguy yes, they do - even when it stretches credibility. In reality I think it's very unlikely someone in Aaron's situation would be prosecuted in the UK - but that wouldn't produce a summer of distress and hazard for our tragic young hero, would it!
People here keep saying they cried when Aaron said "I love you" back to Jackson. I've gone over thatnpart and did not her Aaron say anything. Am I missing a second or two?
I can see both sides. Also, a white collar in my knowledge signifies a priest and as I'm catholic I know that priests aren't allowed to marry. Is the white collar on Ashley a goof by the show or what?
@iluvjensen1 what? No 'goof' - he's a Church of England vicar. They're protestants and priests are allowed to marry. You've heard of the Reformation, right? Martin Luther, Henry VIII's split with Rome, establishment of Church of England etc. Led to Puritans, led to them leaving England to make their perfect society in America etc.
@patroclus33 oh thanks. I heard him say he was a vicar, but I didn't really know the connotation of it or how it differs from other religious titles. i also didn't realize non-priests wore white collars.
I hate the way that now the show is actually putting words into the mouths of its actors that are expressing alternate views on this storyline, that those characters are being abused here, its amazing that a week ago the likes of Lizzy, Ashley and Paddy would all have been listed and some of the nicest people in the show and they are still are!
This makes absolutely no moral sense 2 me at all. I get that a minister might not want 2 perform a service for someone not in their religion or who lived a lifestyle outside of their particular beliefs, but that was not Ashley's qualm. His qualm was w/ what Hazel did - which should have ABSOLUTELY no baring on this situation. He's never had a problem w/Jackson - but now he doesn't want to do the service b/c of what Hazel did? Who cares? This isn't about her it's about Jackson! Just don't get it!
Could somebody please explain me why Aaron is not going to jail?
Don't get me wrong I would have done what Aaron did, but I was expecting he was going to have to go to jail for it. Have they explained why he's not going to jail?
@hobophobicguy it's not clear he won't be, I don't know why you are so confident he won't end up there. But people only go to jail after a trial. There'll only be a trial if the Director of Public Prosecution decides there's a public interest in one/a case to answer. That's not been revealed yet. It could still happen.
GO Hazel Go finally saying the honest truth the Chas she doesn't now Aaron at all she never been a mother to him.I was cheering on Hazel.Aaron he made me cry when he was seeing the video clip over and over when Jackson was saying i love you.I feel so sad for him i want to give him a hug.
Thanks for posting these clips, this is the best storyline on T V. I live in the U S and I log on to Utube everyday to see what happened with Aaron and Jackson. It's so sad that Jackson is gone I can't help but wonder where the story goes from here.
@Caglehead268 - I'm concerned that, with Aaron's police record for assaulting Jackson, he could well be convicted of murder & sent to prison. This could be how the producers end the Emmerdale gay story line for good. (Anyone happen to know when Danny's contract expires? It could give a hint of where things are headed.)
OK, sorry Brits, but this funeral situation is where your culture really doesn't make any sense to Americans. Jackson certainly wasn't a church member and gave no indication that he was even Christian, so why would Hazel be so intent on having an Anglican vicar perform the funeral? (In the U.S., she wouldn't have been.)
Ashley is well within the bounds of acceptable behavior (for his belief system) in refusing to do the funeral, and Hazel just needs to deal with that and move on.
@OnMyWaytotheFLA - Another Yank here. Sorry, my friend, a minister's job is to put the comfort of others before his own - even if they are not of his faith. Like many of us who are not particularly religious, it's not unusual to ask for a funeral service to help give closure to those we leave behind who are religious. Where would all the good missionary work be if it were all about the minister's comfort? Shame on the vicar for putting himself first.
@winsboy I don't know of any religion where a minister's primary duty is to "put the comfort of others before his own." (I'm a cultural geographer, so I probably would know if there was one.) That might be your personal interpretation of religion, but it isn't a mainstream viewpoint. Ministers generally exist to guide others to what they perceive to be greater spiritual truths (whatever that might be), but they generally don't perform rites of passage for people who don't share their faith.
@OnMyWaytotheFLA - Sounds like you're too into textbooks & I'm too into soap operas. While not an adherent of any particular "Jesus, Inc." religion, I believe a "Christian" thinking person (& I use the term in the broader sense) would be more concerned over the suffering of others than their own comfort. It's a problem I have with the RCC, for example. It has the mentality of a large corporation, which it must defend & protect at all costs, rather than behaving like supposed followers of Jesus.
@OnMyWaytotheFLA I'm an American & it's very typical 2 ask a local minister 2 perform a service - even if that person isn't particularly religious. Especially in our religious nation - it happens all of the time. Hazel went 2 the only minister in the town to perform their service. That's totally 2 be expected. The Vicar did not say he wouldn't perform it because of Jackson's lack of belief or adherence to a specific church body. He won't perform it b/c of Hazel - which makes NO sense at all!
@yournewsecretcrush What part of America are you from? It's certainly not common in the South (where I live) or the Midwest (where I grew up). I've never known a single atheist/agnostic who said that they wanted a Christian funeral/wedding/confirmation, etc. Plus, as a practicing Christian myself, every pastor that I've ever had has refused to do funerals for non-practicing Christians, mostly because they would end up either 1) hurting the family or 2) contradicting their own beliefs.
@yournewsecretcrush And considering Hazel's not-so-admirable track record with Ashley, it's a bit arrogant of her to assume that she's "owed" a Christian funeral from him.
@OnMyWaytotheFLA untrue, many non-practitioners are buried by clergy of varying faiths simply because of familial wishes, in the states every day. I live in the states. I've been to a number of funerals conducted by priests/ministers of a variety of christian denominations that the individual being buried either had no belief in or stopped practicing years before. It's really all up to the way the family presents the situation. Perhaps there's a lack of community in the states with clergy.
@Vantado There are many church bodies and pastors in the U.S. who completely refuse to do such funerals, and it's really not uncommon. I know of multiple stories where families of atheists/agnostics had to go to 10 or 15 churches before they found a minister who would perform the funeral. Some denominations are more open to it than others, but it really is not a very common occurrence.
@OnMyWaytotheFLA Maybe it's different down south but up north the family of agnostics and atheists who aren't rigorous in their opposition to a church burial will probably receive one. What is perhaps odd and not common place, compared to this clip, is Ashley refusing to do the burial because he know's the background of the person being buried. Most often, up North at least, the members of any given church are so numerous that the minister/priest probably doesn't know the individual being buried
@Vantado When you say "up North," where specifically are you talking about? I'm from the Midwest originally, and it not very common there, at least not among most denominations.
@OnMyWaytotheFLA Generally the UK is much less religious. It's more a social convention to access a church for weddings, christening and funerals. There - I'm being broad-brush here - isn't a very strong link between the convictions of the deceased/their families and a church funeral. Increasingly people run large parts of the service themselves with any religious element a small, formal part. In a little village it's all more personal, of course.
@patroclus33 Oh, I completely agree with you. I was just noting the difference between the two countries in these kinds of matters. Also, some people in the U.S. do opt to have non-religious funerals, and that's honestly what I would have expected Hazel to want for Jackson.
I've never heard of a priest refusing to conduct a funeral because of the actions of the deceased's relatives. Unbelievable! Thanks for posting Kimba.
@keithleroy1 But that's not what he conveyed. He believes that Hazel killed him - not that Jackson necessarily committed suicide. Had that been the reason, he would of told Hazel he couldn't perform it because Jackson committed suicide.
@yournewsecretcrush he said he disagrees with "what you did" but that could be the deed assisted suicide couldn't it? Hazel and Aaron have been telling everyone its an assisted suicide, I have not heard Ashley call it murder have you? so the assumption should be that he disagrees with the suicide.
Ok religion and churches and that is really not my kind of thing so I might be wrong, but shouldn't a funeral be about celebrating someones life and saying goodbye, and not about judging whether or not the way the person died was right or wrong?
And also "So I said to myself, I said Hazel.." I've missed that <3
@Frippot Its not about whether the church will do it or not, its about whether he will do it. He won't do it because he doesn't think what Hazel and Aaron did was right and he offered to find someone else who would do it. It has nothing to do with the church, its about this mans opinion.
@Auron1Roxas2 Yes, I understand that he think what Hazel and Aaron did was wrong, but what I meant was that him not doing the funeral because of that is like punishing Jacksson for something they did. That's what I meant. But then @Demetri450 also pointed aout that suicide is considered a sin and that, so in that case it makes more sense than he doesn't want to do the funeral.
@Auron1Roxas2 Seems like this Ashley is a bit .. I don't know :P He says he sees Jacksson as a victim in this, in which case he really should want to do the funeral but still he... O well, it's a soap. ;)
@Frippot no, because it was still suicide. Suicide in any form, as a religious figure, he can't condone. Not just because of his position in the church, but because of his own moral beliefs as well.
@FrozenIceRose Yes, of course, but Ashley doesn't mention anything about that. He just says that he thinks Jacksson is a victim in this and that it is Aaron and Hazels actions he doesn't agree with.
@Frippot If you are conservative or traditionalist, then no. Suicide is considered a very grave sin. They have decided to go along the most conservative route with this stroy line.
omg another vid that had me in tears, watching Aaron play the part where Jackson says i love you over and over again, just ripped my heart out. *sobs* thanks Jon for all your hard work.
Your job is to help the hurting not do the judging. And unless Jon did not upload that vid i missed the one where God chose you to do the judging for him. So get over your self and do your fucking job.
@soonersherewego A very christian reaction to a man sticking to his believes, maybe as Jackson (like me) was an athiest it is just a little hypocritical to be expecting a christian funeral anyway, but note a service was not refused Ashley just said he could not do it and he would arrange someone else to do it she wished.
@keithleroy1 we don't know Jackson was a atheist. In fact he wore a cross all the time. It wasn't clear what that indicated - belief or fashion. In a small English village the CoE is part of the cultural wallpaper and would be the default venue for an event like a funeral, irrespective of conviction, unless you were explicitly a catholic, methodist, muslim etc. Acting out of faith in UK is often a loose, vague thing, invisible except at formal occasions. UK is less formally religious than USA.
What I find weird about ED and all soaps is you only have to move to these places,like Hazel/Jackson,and live in them a few weeks and suddenly everyone treats you like they have known you forever.Like Bob to Hazel etc.
It's not real life.-----If Jacksons story was,there would be hardly any reaction as nobody would have known him in the length of time he lived there.
What an emotional roller coaster. Brilliant acting on all the major cast members part.... Personally I felt professional help should have been offered to Jackson. However, I do understand where he felt he had lost all control over his life; he decided to control how he was to die. It took a great deal of courage and LOVE on the part of Hazel and Aaron to respect his wishes. I hope I never have to deal with a situation like this in real life... therefore I can not judge.
its amazing how the show is being careful to put the alternate views now it cannot spoil their "death" and the ratings it bought in. before poor Jackson's death the only thing allowed on the TV screen was a very limited view of it all. Nothing that would question whether jackson could ever get past the feelings he had were allowed on the show.
i'm sorry i'm with her, his to personal about everything that happened to his mum, and the sad part is he says his dad and mom is "different" to her kmt
when aaron replay " i love you" over and over, i just bust in 2 tears. im also glad that hazel put chaz in her place, and that preist is so fake, no matter if he agree or not we are all loved in god eyes! cant wait till 2morrow.
Watching Aaron replay " I love you " from Jackson's Video diary. My me think. I'm going to make one for each person I Love!! That way when I'm gone they can still hear and see me telling the " I love them."
it's tough for what aaron and haze did, but I agree with the priest. when aason was there alond and cring, I was thinking what if adam kissed and comforted aason a little bit.
What did they do to assist in Jackson's death because I think everyone is being a little too harsh since I don't fully understand what happened. please help!
@3252545 Jackson wanted to end his life, but could not do it alone due to his paralysis. Hazel and Aaron administered/helped him drink a lethal cocktail. Hazel mixed the drink and Aaron held the glass to Jackson's lips so he could drink it.
I think the different reactions in the village just makes it more realistic. It wouldn't be very believable if everyone just backed them up automatically...
@haesselmaas Yes the show is actually trying to be balanced, showing some people feeling for the pain that Aaron and Hazel must be in, other still seeing that pain but feeling that should comment that they feel it was wrong, and some others again who think it was wrong but only saying something when pushed like Lizzy. It is clear that some people only want to here one view expressed.
@b5bobby I agree, and I think they have to show different reactions in order to keep it realistic (which they have done very well so far). When something like this happens, people will have opinions, and they will let you know how they feel--even some who really have no business saying anything. To make the story complete, I think they have to show Hazel and Aaron going through this and dealing with both the support and lack of support/empathy they get.
Didn't any see the "Passion" Even Jesus, while being tortured and then crucified on the cross begged his father forgiveness for the soldiers and his accusers. "for they not know what they do"
In many people eyes Euthanasia is just like murder, but you can't turn it and say murder is just like euthanasia. No one asked to be murdered
I've been saying 4 awhile now that the Aaron n Jackson storyline wasnt going anywhere anymore i thought i should've stopped a long time ago. But i never would've expected Jackson to die!
i'm crying over this storyline knew it was coming with all the usual approaches including Ashley and still crying so sad. gavin ur producer is gone but the storyline lives on... he is looking down and saying bravo
Pauline is an awesome actress. Yet the storyline is weird- Hazel wants to force everyone to accept what she did and, at the same time, she does not accept if anyone else has a different opinion on it. Acceptance of different views is not a one-way street.
@renieb1986 I don't think Hazel is trying to force anyone to accept her decision, I just think she wants to people to understand why she did it. But I do think she was a little too hard on the Father Ashely. Such as her decision to help Jackson, it is his decision to turn down the funeral. Besides he didn't turn the church help and he did offer to find another Vicar to perform the ceremony.
@cyke90 but really - 'offer to find another vicar'! Hardly an enormous effort, is it. She just has to talk to any funeral director who'll supply her with the contact numbers of vicars. He's rushed to judgement, his attention on his own conscience without any attempt to listen with an open heart to her story. More a Pharisee, emphasising the letter, rather than the spirit of the law, I'd say.
@Babyt4 In most religions - assisted or not, suicide is a SIN. As wrong or as right that may be, most religious leaders are between a rock and a hard place. To be actively involved - means they condone it. The church condones it (as they are the church's representative), and as such, they are breaking from church doctrine. Rather than being "human" - offering comfort, as one human to another, oft times the church is more concerned with it's image.
@frozenbaby2004 The world and laws according to man have always been rather ironic seeing as rapists and murders with no nay say get Church funerals all the time. I know suicide is a sin but that is between God and the fallen person no one else. A funeral is for the celebration of your life (if that is what all families and friends would call it) not about how you died.
@Babyt4 And no one was saying Jackson could not have a funeral, the priest offered another priest to do the service, this is no different than you being offered a job and saying no thanks I don't like your (insert excuse) but here are the names of several others that can do that job for you. The person refused may have been upset but the person who refused has not said no one will work for you and neither did the priest.
@b5bobby I never said they said Jackson cannot have a funeral, im saying the way he dies IS determining where his funeral is kept, Ashley does not want it in his Church therefore like frozenbaby as well as you said it would have to be a Priest/Pastor whoever that condones it to it. It is still sad.
Ashley's refusal is more personal & a reaction to his mother's death, in which his father assisted because of her illness; they spoke clearly about it;
this is going to be a more interesting story with all of the people's reactions and personal feelings now coming out; really, really interesting;
there has been a discussion going on in the U.S. from an Op-Ed in the NYT last week that is sparking all kinds of controversy; interesting it's at same time as Jackson & Aaron...
If a counselor is uncomfortable or is emotionally conflicted with their client's choices, then it's in the client's best interest that the specialist refuse to counsel the client and refers the client to another specialist. It's no different with priests. It's better that Ashley told Hazel upfront that he can't do it because of his beliefs rather than waiting till the funeral to publicly chastise Aaron and Hazel, and saying Jackson may go to hell in front of everybody there. That would be worse.
@superxx57 It's hardly the same relationship. A priest at a funeral need be no more than a functionary. Most of the actual service can be done by the family. All the really do it intone from a book. Hardly the same sort of significant work as a counselor, I'd say.
@patroclus33 No, it's pretty similar. A Christian minister uses a Bible just like a counselor uses a DSM. A Christian counselor uses both. If there's any type of emotional or spiritual conflict within a priest or a counselor regarding a certain matter, then they should refer the person in need to someone who's able to help them.
@superxx57 He didn't indicate that his issue was with Jackson - it was with Hazel. This makes no sense at all. It would be like that counselor refused to see someone because of something their client's mother did that they did not agree with. And counselor's are suppose to be impartial and put their personal qualms and feelings aside. If Ashley didn't want to do the service b/c of the life or actions of Jackson - that's completely understandable - but that's not how he conveyed it.
@superxx57 <<I couldnt agree with you more! A priest's job is to nurture peace and harmony, whatever it takes, however the situation is. It was a funeral that Hazel requests him to perform. But he excuses himself by his own self-counsciousness. What kinda preist is that? Where is his belief as a neutral polarity person? Condone or not, he shouldnt' be jugdemental towards people. He should leave his priesthood and become a lawyer instead! Let me stress what Hazel said: Ashleigh, YOU MAKE ME SICK!
@menzhi A priest's job is to do God's work, nothing more or less. As sad as this sounds, Jackson's assisted suicide is an unredeemable sin, and if Ashely were to give the funeral, he would have to be completely honest about what happened and where Jackson would be going. I don't think he wanted to hurt Hazel more than he had to. Remember, he did offer to refer her to a priest who could do it. He's willing to help, but he just can't administer the funeral it himself, which is understandable.
@superxx57 <<Sorry, this time I couldnt disagree with you more! Suicide, murder, theft, whatever crimes a person committed does not qualify a priest to pass judgement to that person. His job is to provide comfort to the deceased. The afterlife is not his job to determine. He is not ordained for that! Ashley should comfort and counsel Hazel. Yes, he was honest abt his refusal to perform the funeral rites. Sadly instead, his conditional honesty had inevitably relieved himself from being a priest!
@menzhi There's a difference between passing judgement and holding people accountable for their actions. I'm sure he doesn't think Hazel, Aaron, or even Jackson are bad people, but what they did was wrong, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. His honesty isn't conditional, and he's still a priest whether you agree with his decision or not.
@superxx57 <<You begin to stray away from your own opinion. I do not expect you to agree but Ashley does think that Hazel, Aaron and Jackson had done something wrong. And, he was quick to pass judgement. And, again here, he held Hazel and Aaron accountable for Jackson's suicide. Its not about accusing the 3 of them as bad people. Its about the consequences of the assisted-suicide. Ashley would have been great, like I said, if he comfort and counsel Hazel and Aaron too. But he chose to back away!
@superxx57 <<If you scrutinize ep340 you will understand what I meant abt being a priest. Even Laurel thinks that it is abt compassion. Beliefs and principles are there to help guide others align themselves to the right path but not to be judgemental. Thats what an impartial and neutral priest is all about whom the general public loves. Undivided attention. Let the law take charge abt the crimes ppl commit. Let the priest maintain peace and harmony and not to allow his emotion to take charge.
danny miller is such a great actor because he makes it all do believable... just wish everyone saw what we saw,, i know its easier to blame hazel but it really was aarons choice :'(
@BoysLovingBoys no one refused Hazel a service for her son, Ashley just said HE would not do it, he offered another vicar or to hold it in a different church. lets not over react.
@keithleroy1 "noone refused Hazel a service" .. "Ashley just said HE would not do it" .. exactly, so he is refusing = P. You cant tell tone on the computer but I didnt mean for it to sound like I was over reacting, cause im not.. I just dont like that he wouldnt do it I guess.
@BoysLovingBoys Ashley did not refuse the service in his church, just him doing it, thats why I replied no one refused them a service, sorry if I over reacted to you, it was not meant either. When I die I do not want a christian funeral, and as Jackson was an athiest too, i think it is a little hypocritical of them both (Jackson and Hazel) to expect one, but notice the church was willing to do one even though they knew of Jackson views.
hazel was only meant to play a very small role in this show as his mum coming to meet Aaron and then go but cause of how good of a actress she is and the good responses she seems to be staying on the show longer than Jackson
This is just getting ridiculous. Another boring repetitive Mother-of-the-Year roow between Hazel and Chas. More of Hazel and Aaron sitting around being cloyingly maudlin. And now Hazel wants everyone to cater to her. Because as I recall she and Jackson were hardly religious, but she will go barging into Ashley's and then get on her fitful moral high-horse when he refuses. Yeah yeah yeah, your son's dead. I do believe they are trying to make her as unpleasant as Jackson. They are succeeding.
I think out of everything this storyline has thrown at us, I think Ashley refusing to do the service, is the most bizarre thing. Does he not preach about God loving everyone and forgiveness. He should do the service for Jackson and celebrate his life. I really dislike the way the writers are doing this :(
I think not refusing service base on race, sexuality, religion, nationality, religion, gender and so on is sensible and morally just. But I think we should be allowed to reject service to people who may have committed a criminal act, especially involving a death. I personally *don't* think what Hazel and Aaron did should be a criminal act, but it is. PLUS in the mind of Ashley he has *no* evidence to prove or disprove Jackson was not murdered. So... I understand Ashley's opinion and dilemma.
@erzan But why should it matter what HAZEL did? I don't get you guys. He could disagree with murder all he wants and think that Hazel is the most ruthless person on the planet - but the service is not for her - it's for JACKSON! If he didn't want to do it because of what Jackson did ... then he should of said that!
@yournewsecretcrush MAYBE he believes Jackson wanted to die? that Hazel was begged to do it by Jackson, in which case he see it as suicide and he disagrees with SUICIDE. so it is about Jackson?
I think it's kind if bad of any man of god to refuse anyone's funeral at any time. I mean i understand scheduling conflict, but that's not the case here, it's a flat out no. They say God is about unconditional love and forgiveness, so even if he disagrees he shouldn't refuse... that's just wrong.
I disagree with Ashley's opinion, but I understand where he's coming from as far as his opinion about what Hazel and Aaron did, but that has no bearing on the conducting of the funeral, he's rejecting Jackson, not Hazel.
It's the equivalent of refusing to perform a service for Jackson because he was gay.
@corvus13 I love the part where he says "instead of trying to get him through it". Umm, where was he when Aaron and Hazel were doing just that!!! Again, this arrogance of being an outsider and thinking he knows everything that happened, it really makes me sick.
@lawrence5584 And are Hazel and Aaron Professional? no professional help was given to Jackson and even though Hazel and Jackson both heard from steve that he took years to get used to his new live, that it took time and a lot of professional help, they didn't pick up a phone to get any for Jackson did they? It is not a clear cut thing, the likes of Lizzy and Ashley have a point, Taking Jackson on holiday or to a football match will never solve an underlining problem but professional can.
@b5bobby one thing that was notably absent from Steve was any reference to professional help whatsoever. Emmerdale has ruthlessly omitted any depiction of professinal aftercare apart from Joe.
@b5bobby You can only open the door for a person, sadly you cannot make them go through it, even a quadriplegic. They attempted to get him the help he required, but he refused it. Some people can handle and adapt to such circumstances, but others cannot. Would I choose to end it? No, because I'm a fighter. But do I judge those who choose that route, or the people who help them achieve it? No. Lets get back to the main issue, that no one in this little village is in a position to judge.
Yeah Hazel, you`re right a real Mom would try to understand her sons decision and would just comfort him coz he lost his love and ask questions later!
Why does Hazel assume eveyone will understand what she and Aaron did? No one knew what Jackson was going through because they kept it a secret from them. As far as everyone knew Jackson was dealing with it. She can't expect people to understand just because she tells them, they had to live it like Aaron did. At least show them the video diary or something.
@Freeze883 thank u! i don't like how she handled him being handicapped n the first place. a real mother would have made him go 2 a therapist and take antidepressants..that might not have worked but @ least she would have actually tried doing something
Pauline was amazing in her scenes esp. with Chas and Ashley. Hazel was exactly right, Chas knows little about Aaron. I think she's jealous, too, that Hazel and Aaron have a strong bond. I love Bob, what a loyal friend. Hard to see Jackson again. Even harder seeing Aaron press replay for Jackson's "I love you" again and again.
Ashley's a pig...!!!... I hated his character before and I hate his character even more...!!!.... He should be rid of his collar... He is not appropriate to be a priest...
Finally Chas gets a piece of the truth... She really does not know Aaron... I mean how thick is she... Why the hell can't she understand that no one dragged Aaron into this... It was his friggin choice... Chas should just out a zip on her mouth... She is really getting on my nerves...!!!...
Poor Aaron why is there nobody who would just take him in his/her arms! Love it when Jackson said that he is a big softy, cause it really is true even though he does everything to hide it! Broke my heart when he played the "I love you" port over and over! Love how Hazel and Aaron are protecting each other and and how she told Chaz to get to know her son!
Worst pastor ever. That is all.
wikipou 4 months ago in playlist Aaron & Jackson (200 to Present)
its so funny when she says "time's up"....lol
hanz772 5 months ago
Wanna go back and watch the story before October...need to clear my head a bit, stop feeling like someone have stabbed me in my heart. Watch some happy smiley times!
These 2 brilliant actors continue to kill me with every vid I keep watching!
tazoulinimary 6 months ago
eh ashley, what bout wen ur precious niece jasmine kild that cop... did u turn ur back on her... NO!
DarrenCrissisTHEbest 8 months ago
Danny's just won all these great awards. I'm begging the forces of the universe to spend this political capital on some great new storylines for him, and may it not be mired in months and months of what the fans are predicting: loads of time in court and more loads of time being loveless. [asking a soap not to be predictable? I guess I haven't learned my lesson] For Danny's sake, I hope they write some great stuff, in light of his current boon.
axelnelson 8 months ago
That just it isn't about religions. People always seem to believe that they get the right to judge from there holy writings. He who judges others will be judge him self.
AbleNightRd02 8 months ago
One of the greatest strengths of this story at this point is that everyone's position or point of view feels very real and understandable.
alwaysuseless 8 months ago
hello mremptyhole - please don't insult cocksuckers.. especially after watching this Aaron/Jackson storyline ;-)
billbcn1 8 months ago
Stupid priest... U dirty cock sucker
mremptyhole 8 months ago
"ohhhohhohh...i just dont see the point...of lettuce!" best, most epic line ever :)
kerryama 8 months ago
BREAKING MY HEART
BEBACK1 8 months ago 2
Aaron replaying the "I Love You"...absolutely breaks my heart.
nomadsteph 8 months ago 3
Pauline Quirk you r a Legend "I said to myself I said Hazel"... Luv that she sd that again ;0)
lilyloveCCJL 8 months ago 29
@lilyloveCCJL I totally agree I love that line ... from the first time we met her ^_^ '
awesomekoolkid 8 months ago
so sad how to hang on with this...
joemail101 8 months ago
This is such a magnificent storyline.
I`m completely obsessed... watched the entire show in less than a week. on my day of i think i watched about 100 videos.
When Aaron replays Jackson`s "I love you" it just broke my heart...
I know they were not as intimate as Chrolli but Aaron (Danny Miller) is one of the most magnificent actors i`ve had the pleasure to watch.
emanumendes 8 months ago
I feel Marc was cheated off his wonderful portrayal ... / Why, even his video within a video is touching. / I don't understand why Emmerdale didn't keep him, but rather, turned him into a "sacrificial lamb" for ratings sake./
Mighthore 8 months ago
I haven't read any spoiler....
It's just Hazel said it's highly unlikely.
They just love to keep us wondering, don't they! *me eating popcorns*
Thanks for your reply.
hobophobicguy 8 months ago
@hobophobicguy yes, they do - even when it stretches credibility. In reality I think it's very unlikely someone in Aaron's situation would be prosecuted in the UK - but that wouldn't produce a summer of distress and hazard for our tragic young hero, would it!
patroclus33 8 months ago
Aaron keeps replaying Jackson's "I love you". And I keep replaying this part.
shallowmic 8 months ago 2
I love it when Aaron keep replaying "I love you" part. I would do that myself.
shallowmic 8 months ago 2
People here keep saying they cried when Aaron said "I love you" back to Jackson. I've gone over thatnpart and did not her Aaron say anything. Am I missing a second or two?
cyke90 8 months ago
I can see both sides. Also, a white collar in my knowledge signifies a priest and as I'm catholic I know that priests aren't allowed to marry. Is the white collar on Ashley a goof by the show or what?
iluvjensen1 8 months ago
@iluvjensen1 what? No 'goof' - he's a Church of England vicar. They're protestants and priests are allowed to marry. You've heard of the Reformation, right? Martin Luther, Henry VIII's split with Rome, establishment of Church of England etc. Led to Puritans, led to them leaving England to make their perfect society in America etc.
patroclus33 8 months ago
@patroclus33 oh thanks. I heard him say he was a vicar, but I didn't really know the connotation of it or how it differs from other religious titles. i also didn't realize non-priests wore white collars.
iluvjensen1 8 months ago
love Hazel....what a strong woman
manoftheprairie 8 months ago 4
"you make me sick.." i love that..
we should always see the many sides.. aarons thoughts; hazels; feelings and jackson's reasons.. we try to be in their shoes and we will understand..
**even though we dont like the storyline.. :)
juliusnino 8 months ago
I hate the way that now the show is actually putting words into the mouths of its actors that are expressing alternate views on this storyline, that those characters are being abused here, its amazing that a week ago the likes of Lizzy, Ashley and Paddy would all have been listed and some of the nicest people in the show and they are still are!
b5bobby 8 months ago
This makes absolutely no moral sense 2 me at all. I get that a minister might not want 2 perform a service for someone not in their religion or who lived a lifestyle outside of their particular beliefs, but that was not Ashley's qualm. His qualm was w/ what Hazel did - which should have ABSOLUTELY no baring on this situation. He's never had a problem w/Jackson - but now he doesn't want to do the service b/c of what Hazel did? Who cares? This isn't about her it's about Jackson! Just don't get it!
yournewsecretcrush 8 months ago
Could somebody please explain me why Aaron is not going to jail?
Don't get me wrong I would have done what Aaron did, but I was expecting he was going to have to go to jail for it. Have they explained why he's not going to jail?
I'm glad he's not going to jail.
hobophobicguy 8 months ago
@hobophobicguy it's not clear he won't be, I don't know why you are so confident he won't end up there. But people only go to jail after a trial. There'll only be a trial if the Director of Public Prosecution decides there's a public interest in one/a case to answer. That's not been revealed yet. It could still happen.
patroclus33 8 months ago
GO Hazel Go finally saying the honest truth the Chas she doesn't now Aaron at all she never been a mother to him.I was cheering on Hazel.Aaron he made me cry when he was seeing the video clip over and over when Jackson was saying i love you.I feel so sad for him i want to give him a hug.
ludwinlunatics 8 months ago 10
Thanks for posting these clips, this is the best storyline on T V. I live in the U S and I log on to Utube everyday to see what happened with Aaron and Jackson. It's so sad that Jackson is gone I can't help but wonder where the story goes from here.
mcaliguy1 8 months ago
@mcaliguy1 I'm expecting aaron's suicide and/or Hazel's, but.. if one of them go, i can't imagine the other wouldn't..
Caglehead268 8 months ago
@Caglehead268 - I'm concerned that, with Aaron's police record for assaulting Jackson, he could well be convicted of murder & sent to prison. This could be how the producers end the Emmerdale gay story line for good. (Anyone happen to know when Danny's contract expires? It could give a hint of where things are headed.)
winsboy 8 months ago
OK, sorry Brits, but this funeral situation is where your culture really doesn't make any sense to Americans. Jackson certainly wasn't a church member and gave no indication that he was even Christian, so why would Hazel be so intent on having an Anglican vicar perform the funeral? (In the U.S., she wouldn't have been.)
Ashley is well within the bounds of acceptable behavior (for his belief system) in refusing to do the funeral, and Hazel just needs to deal with that and move on.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA - Another Yank here. Sorry, my friend, a minister's job is to put the comfort of others before his own - even if they are not of his faith. Like many of us who are not particularly religious, it's not unusual to ask for a funeral service to help give closure to those we leave behind who are religious. Where would all the good missionary work be if it were all about the minister's comfort? Shame on the vicar for putting himself first.
winsboy 8 months ago
@winsboy I don't know of any religion where a minister's primary duty is to "put the comfort of others before his own." (I'm a cultural geographer, so I probably would know if there was one.) That might be your personal interpretation of religion, but it isn't a mainstream viewpoint. Ministers generally exist to guide others to what they perceive to be greater spiritual truths (whatever that might be), but they generally don't perform rites of passage for people who don't share their faith.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA - Sounds like you're too into textbooks & I'm too into soap operas. While not an adherent of any particular "Jesus, Inc." religion, I believe a "Christian" thinking person (& I use the term in the broader sense) would be more concerned over the suffering of others than their own comfort. It's a problem I have with the RCC, for example. It has the mentality of a large corporation, which it must defend & protect at all costs, rather than behaving like supposed followers of Jesus.
winsboy 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA I'm an American & it's very typical 2 ask a local minister 2 perform a service - even if that person isn't particularly religious. Especially in our religious nation - it happens all of the time. Hazel went 2 the only minister in the town to perform their service. That's totally 2 be expected. The Vicar did not say he wouldn't perform it because of Jackson's lack of belief or adherence to a specific church body. He won't perform it b/c of Hazel - which makes NO sense at all!
yournewsecretcrush 8 months ago
@yournewsecretcrush What part of America are you from? It's certainly not common in the South (where I live) or the Midwest (where I grew up). I've never known a single atheist/agnostic who said that they wanted a Christian funeral/wedding/confirmation, etc. Plus, as a practicing Christian myself, every pastor that I've ever had has refused to do funerals for non-practicing Christians, mostly because they would end up either 1) hurting the family or 2) contradicting their own beliefs.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago 2
@yournewsecretcrush And considering Hazel's not-so-admirable track record with Ashley, it's a bit arrogant of her to assume that she's "owed" a Christian funeral from him.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA untrue, many non-practitioners are buried by clergy of varying faiths simply because of familial wishes, in the states every day. I live in the states. I've been to a number of funerals conducted by priests/ministers of a variety of christian denominations that the individual being buried either had no belief in or stopped practicing years before. It's really all up to the way the family presents the situation. Perhaps there's a lack of community in the states with clergy.
Vantado 8 months ago
@Vantado There are many church bodies and pastors in the U.S. who completely refuse to do such funerals, and it's really not uncommon. I know of multiple stories where families of atheists/agnostics had to go to 10 or 15 churches before they found a minister who would perform the funeral. Some denominations are more open to it than others, but it really is not a very common occurrence.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA Maybe it's different down south but up north the family of agnostics and atheists who aren't rigorous in their opposition to a church burial will probably receive one. What is perhaps odd and not common place, compared to this clip, is Ashley refusing to do the burial because he know's the background of the person being buried. Most often, up North at least, the members of any given church are so numerous that the minister/priest probably doesn't know the individual being buried
Vantado 8 months ago
@Vantado When you say "up North," where specifically are you talking about? I'm from the Midwest originally, and it not very common there, at least not among most denominations.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA East Coast, NY, NJ etc... It's a very different "religious" scene up here then what you're describing.
Vantado 8 months ago
@Vantado OK, that makes sense. The American Northeast is completely different than most of the rest of the country about stuff like this.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
@OnMyWaytotheFLA Generally the UK is much less religious. It's more a social convention to access a church for weddings, christening and funerals. There - I'm being broad-brush here - isn't a very strong link between the convictions of the deceased/their families and a church funeral. Increasingly people run large parts of the service themselves with any religious element a small, formal part. In a little village it's all more personal, of course.
patroclus33 8 months ago
@patroclus33 Oh, I completely agree with you. I was just noting the difference between the two countries in these kinds of matters. Also, some people in the U.S. do opt to have non-religious funerals, and that's honestly what I would have expected Hazel to want for Jackson.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago
Isn't that laptop supposed to be evidence ?
TanjaToft 8 months ago 2
@TanjaToft ikr
lovelydiva06 8 months ago
I've never heard of a priest refusing to conduct a funeral because of the actions of the deceased's relatives. Unbelievable! Thanks for posting Kimba.
mgoodwi1 8 months ago
@mgoodwi1 I HAVE heard of a vicar refusing to conduct a service for a suicide before so is so different to refuse an assisted suicide?
keithleroy1 8 months ago
@keithleroy1 But that's not what he conveyed. He believes that Hazel killed him - not that Jackson necessarily committed suicide. Had that been the reason, he would of told Hazel he couldn't perform it because Jackson committed suicide.
yournewsecretcrush 8 months ago
@yournewsecretcrush he said he disagrees with "what you did" but that could be the deed assisted suicide couldn't it? Hazel and Aaron have been telling everyone its an assisted suicide, I have not heard Ashley call it murder have you? so the assumption should be that he disagrees with the suicide.
b5bobby 8 months ago
@b5bobby Either way ... it's about what Hazel did ... not with what Jackson did.
yournewsecretcrush 8 months ago
@keithleroy1 I've never heard of a priest refusing a funeral period based on the way the person died. I'm just surprised.
mgoodwi1 8 months ago
Ok religion and churches and that is really not my kind of thing so I might be wrong, but shouldn't a funeral be about celebrating someones life and saying goodbye, and not about judging whether or not the way the person died was right or wrong?
And also "So I said to myself, I said Hazel.." I've missed that <3
Frippot 8 months ago
@Frippot Its not about whether the church will do it or not, its about whether he will do it. He won't do it because he doesn't think what Hazel and Aaron did was right and he offered to find someone else who would do it. It has nothing to do with the church, its about this mans opinion.
Auron1Roxas2 8 months ago 2
@Auron1Roxas2 You are correct.
Demetri450 8 months ago
@Auron1Roxas2 Yes, I understand that he think what Hazel and Aaron did was wrong, but what I meant was that him not doing the funeral because of that is like punishing Jacksson for something they did. That's what I meant. But then @Demetri450 also pointed aout that suicide is considered a sin and that, so in that case it makes more sense than he doesn't want to do the funeral.
Frippot 8 months ago
@Frippot Well Jackson was also gay, but that didn't stop him from trying to raise money for Jackson either.
Auron1Roxas2 8 months ago
@Auron1Roxas2 Seems like this Ashley is a bit .. I don't know :P He says he sees Jacksson as a victim in this, in which case he really should want to do the funeral but still he... O well, it's a soap. ;)
Frippot 8 months ago
@Frippot Yeah thats true, if he thinks of Jackson as the victim you'd think he'd at least do it for Jackson.
Auron1Roxas2 8 months ago
@Frippot no, because it was still suicide. Suicide in any form, as a religious figure, he can't condone. Not just because of his position in the church, but because of his own moral beliefs as well.
FrozenIceRose 7 months ago
@FrozenIceRose Yes, of course, but Ashley doesn't mention anything about that. He just says that he thinks Jacksson is a victim in this and that it is Aaron and Hazels actions he doesn't agree with.
Frippot 7 months ago
@Frippot Can we expect a religious service without being in that religion? Jackson was an athiest.
keithleroy1 8 months ago
@keithleroy1 Now THAT is beyond me. I agree, it's a bit wierd expecting that. And why would he even want a service in curch :S
Frippot 8 months ago
@Frippot If you are conservative or traditionalist, then no. Suicide is considered a very grave sin. They have decided to go along the most conservative route with this stroy line.
Demetri450 8 months ago
@Demetri450 Ok, well int that case it makes sense I guess. As I said, I don't know much about religion :P
Frippot 8 months ago
It's kind of funny... here I am rewinding over the bit where Aaron is rewinding over the bit where Jackson says, " I love you".
It's like the play within the play, or something highbrow like that. :-)
marcsilcockfan1989 8 months ago 3
omg another vid that had me in tears, watching Aaron play the part where Jackson says i love you over and over again, just ripped my heart out. *sobs* thanks Jon for all your hard work.
soonersherewego 8 months ago
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Dear Minister of whatever,
Your job is to help the hurting not do the judging. And unless Jon did not upload that vid i missed the one where God chose you to do the judging for him. So get over your self and do your fucking job.
sincerely
ME
soonersherewego 8 months ago
@soonersherewego Yes!!!....I share the same sentiment.
Denimh20 8 months ago
@soonersherewego A very christian reaction to a man sticking to his believes, maybe as Jackson (like me) was an athiest it is just a little hypocritical to be expecting a christian funeral anyway, but note a service was not refused Ashley just said he could not do it and he would arrange someone else to do it she wished.
keithleroy1 8 months ago
@keithleroy1 we don't know Jackson was a atheist. In fact he wore a cross all the time. It wasn't clear what that indicated - belief or fashion. In a small English village the CoE is part of the cultural wallpaper and would be the default venue for an event like a funeral, irrespective of conviction, unless you were explicitly a catholic, methodist, muslim etc. Acting out of faith in UK is often a loose, vague thing, invisible except at formal occasions. UK is less formally religious than USA.
patroclus33 8 months ago
What happened to pretty boys neck?
bigtop999 8 months ago
What I find weird about ED and all soaps is you only have to move to these places,like Hazel/Jackson,and live in them a few weeks and suddenly everyone treats you like they have known you forever.Like Bob to Hazel etc.
It's not real life.-----If Jacksons story was,there would be hardly any reaction as nobody would have known him in the length of time he lived there.
brecans 8 months ago
What an emotional roller coaster. Brilliant acting on all the major cast members part.... Personally I felt professional help should have been offered to Jackson. However, I do understand where he felt he had lost all control over his life; he decided to control how he was to die. It took a great deal of courage and LOVE on the part of Hazel and Aaron to respect his wishes. I hope I never have to deal with a situation like this in real life... therefore I can not judge.
66FLAV 8 months ago 6
its amazing how the show is being careful to put the alternate views now it cannot spoil their "death" and the ratings it bought in. before poor Jackson's death the only thing allowed on the TV screen was a very limited view of it all. Nothing that would question whether jackson could ever get past the feelings he had were allowed on the show.
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Mighthore 8 months ago
God, Aaron is killing me softly
valjose0098 8 months ago 29
i'm sorry i'm with her, his to personal about everything that happened to his mum, and the sad part is he says his dad and mom is "different" to her kmt
SamsonH92 8 months ago
when aaron replay " i love you" over and over, i just bust in 2 tears. im also glad that hazel put chaz in her place, and that preist is so fake, no matter if he agree or not we are all loved in god eyes! cant wait till 2morrow.
coolnigga313 8 months ago 2
Aaron replaying Jackson saying I love you broke my heart.
xMikanNamix 8 months ago 3
Watching Aaron replay " I love you " from Jackson's Video diary. My me think. I'm going to make one for each person I Love!! That way when I'm gone they can still hear and see me telling the " I love them."
1958louief 8 months ago 2
it's tough for what aaron and haze did, but I agree with the priest. when aason was there alond and cring, I was thinking what if adam kissed and comforted aason a little bit.
dimasyang 8 months ago
What did they do to assist in Jackson's death because I think everyone is being a little too harsh since I don't fully understand what happened. please help!
3252545 8 months ago
@3252545 Jackson wanted to end his life, but could not do it alone due to his paralysis. Hazel and Aaron administered/helped him drink a lethal cocktail. Hazel mixed the drink and Aaron held the glass to Jackson's lips so he could drink it.
lcsesq 8 months ago
I think the different reactions in the village just makes it more realistic. It wouldn't be very believable if everyone just backed them up automatically...
haesselmaas 8 months ago 3
@haesselmaas Yes the show is actually trying to be balanced, showing some people feeling for the pain that Aaron and Hazel must be in, other still seeing that pain but feeling that should comment that they feel it was wrong, and some others again who think it was wrong but only saying something when pushed like Lizzy. It is clear that some people only want to here one view expressed.
b5bobby 8 months ago
@b5bobby I agree, and I think they have to show different reactions in order to keep it realistic (which they have done very well so far). When something like this happens, people will have opinions, and they will let you know how they feel--even some who really have no business saying anything. To make the story complete, I think they have to show Hazel and Aaron going through this and dealing with both the support and lack of support/empathy they get.
lcsesq 8 months ago 2
Didn't any see the "Passion" Even Jesus, while being tortured and then crucified on the cross begged his father forgiveness for the soldiers and his accusers. "for they not know what they do"
In many people eyes Euthanasia is just like murder, but you can't turn it and say murder is just like euthanasia. No one asked to be murdered
cyke90 8 months ago
I've been saying 4 awhile now that the Aaron n Jackson storyline wasnt going anywhere anymore i thought i should've stopped a long time ago. But i never would've expected Jackson to die!
superbambam1031 8 months ago
Pauline is giving the female performance of the year!!!
And Bob is really a great person, the equivalent to Adam when it comes to Aaron.
Aaron was thinking "why didn´t I said I love you more and before when all was good before the crash?!"
Heartbreaking
sanyrub 8 months ago 8
i'm crying over this storyline knew it was coming with all the usual approaches including Ashley and still crying so sad. gavin ur producer is gone but the storyline lives on... he is looking down and saying bravo
pathj1 8 months ago 5
i'm crying over this storyline knew it was coming with all the usual approaches including Ashley and still crying so sad
pathj1 8 months ago
Pauline is an awesome actress. Yet the storyline is weird- Hazel wants to force everyone to accept what she did and, at the same time, she does not accept if anyone else has a different opinion on it. Acceptance of different views is not a one-way street.
renieb1986 8 months ago
@renieb1986 I don't think Hazel is trying to force anyone to accept her decision, I just think she wants to people to understand why she did it. But I do think she was a little too hard on the Father Ashely. Such as her decision to help Jackson, it is his decision to turn down the funeral. Besides he didn't turn the church help and he did offer to find another Vicar to perform the ceremony.
cyke90 8 months ago 2
@cyke90 but really - 'offer to find another vicar'! Hardly an enormous effort, is it. She just has to talk to any funeral director who'll supply her with the contact numbers of vicars. He's rushed to judgement, his attention on his own conscience without any attempt to listen with an open heart to her story. More a Pharisee, emphasising the letter, rather than the spirit of the law, I'd say.
patroclus33 8 months ago
So how you die determines where your funeral is held.....SAD
Babyt4 8 months ago
@Babyt4 In most religions - assisted or not, suicide is a SIN. As wrong or as right that may be, most religious leaders are between a rock and a hard place. To be actively involved - means they condone it. The church condones it (as they are the church's representative), and as such, they are breaking from church doctrine. Rather than being "human" - offering comfort, as one human to another, oft times the church is more concerned with it's image.
frozenbaby2004 8 months ago
@frozenbaby2004 The world and laws according to man have always been rather ironic seeing as rapists and murders with no nay say get Church funerals all the time. I know suicide is a sin but that is between God and the fallen person no one else. A funeral is for the celebration of your life (if that is what all families and friends would call it) not about how you died.
Babyt4 8 months ago
@Babyt4 And no one was saying Jackson could not have a funeral, the priest offered another priest to do the service, this is no different than you being offered a job and saying no thanks I don't like your (insert excuse) but here are the names of several others that can do that job for you. The person refused may have been upset but the person who refused has not said no one will work for you and neither did the priest.
b5bobby 8 months ago 2
@b5bobby I never said they said Jackson cannot have a funeral, im saying the way he dies IS determining where his funeral is kept, Ashley does not want it in his Church therefore like frozenbaby as well as you said it would have to be a Priest/Pastor whoever that condones it to it. It is still sad.
Babyt4 8 months ago
bruno mars in the background <3
volleyballluver1995 8 months ago
Ashley's refusal is more personal & a reaction to his mother's death, in which his father assisted because of her illness; they spoke clearly about it;
this is going to be a more interesting story with all of the people's reactions and personal feelings now coming out; really, really interesting;
there has been a discussion going on in the U.S. from an Op-Ed in the NYT last week that is sparking all kinds of controversy; interesting it's at same time as Jackson & Aaron...
jmi2 8 months ago 2
Aaron repeating Jackson's I love you's was so heartbreaking.............
Karotteproductions 8 months ago 3
If a counselor is uncomfortable or is emotionally conflicted with their client's choices, then it's in the client's best interest that the specialist refuse to counsel the client and refers the client to another specialist. It's no different with priests. It's better that Ashley told Hazel upfront that he can't do it because of his beliefs rather than waiting till the funeral to publicly chastise Aaron and Hazel, and saying Jackson may go to hell in front of everybody there. That would be worse.
superxx57 8 months ago 10
@superxx57 It's hardly the same relationship. A priest at a funeral need be no more than a functionary. Most of the actual service can be done by the family. All the really do it intone from a book. Hardly the same sort of significant work as a counselor, I'd say.
patroclus33 8 months ago
@patroclus33 No, it's pretty similar. A Christian minister uses a Bible just like a counselor uses a DSM. A Christian counselor uses both. If there's any type of emotional or spiritual conflict within a priest or a counselor regarding a certain matter, then they should refer the person in need to someone who's able to help them.
superxx57 8 months ago 3
@superxx57 I don't really know what a 'DSM' means.
patroclus33 8 months ago
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superxx57 8 months ago 2
@superxx57 He didn't indicate that his issue was with Jackson - it was with Hazel. This makes no sense at all. It would be like that counselor refused to see someone because of something their client's mother did that they did not agree with. And counselor's are suppose to be impartial and put their personal qualms and feelings aside. If Ashley didn't want to do the service b/c of the life or actions of Jackson - that's completely understandable - but that's not how he conveyed it.
yournewsecretcrush 8 months ago
@superxx57 <<I couldnt agree with you more! A priest's job is to nurture peace and harmony, whatever it takes, however the situation is. It was a funeral that Hazel requests him to perform. But he excuses himself by his own self-counsciousness. What kinda preist is that? Where is his belief as a neutral polarity person? Condone or not, he shouldnt' be jugdemental towards people. He should leave his priesthood and become a lawyer instead! Let me stress what Hazel said: Ashleigh, YOU MAKE ME SICK!
menzhi 8 months ago
@menzhi A priest's job is to do God's work, nothing more or less. As sad as this sounds, Jackson's assisted suicide is an unredeemable sin, and if Ashely were to give the funeral, he would have to be completely honest about what happened and where Jackson would be going. I don't think he wanted to hurt Hazel more than he had to. Remember, he did offer to refer her to a priest who could do it. He's willing to help, but he just can't administer the funeral it himself, which is understandable.
superxx57 8 months ago
@superxx57 <<Sorry, this time I couldnt disagree with you more! Suicide, murder, theft, whatever crimes a person committed does not qualify a priest to pass judgement to that person. His job is to provide comfort to the deceased. The afterlife is not his job to determine. He is not ordained for that! Ashley should comfort and counsel Hazel. Yes, he was honest abt his refusal to perform the funeral rites. Sadly instead, his conditional honesty had inevitably relieved himself from being a priest!
menzhi 8 months ago
@menzhi There's a difference between passing judgement and holding people accountable for their actions. I'm sure he doesn't think Hazel, Aaron, or even Jackson are bad people, but what they did was wrong, and there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. His honesty isn't conditional, and he's still a priest whether you agree with his decision or not.
superxx57 8 months ago
@superxx57 <<You begin to stray away from your own opinion. I do not expect you to agree but Ashley does think that Hazel, Aaron and Jackson had done something wrong. And, he was quick to pass judgement. And, again here, he held Hazel and Aaron accountable for Jackson's suicide. Its not about accusing the 3 of them as bad people. Its about the consequences of the assisted-suicide. Ashley would have been great, like I said, if he comfort and counsel Hazel and Aaron too. But he chose to back away!
menzhi 8 months ago
@superxx57 <<If you scrutinize ep340 you will understand what I meant abt being a priest. Even Laurel thinks that it is abt compassion. Beliefs and principles are there to help guide others align themselves to the right path but not to be judgemental. Thats what an impartial and neutral priest is all about whom the general public loves. Undivided attention. Let the law take charge abt the crimes ppl commit. Let the priest maintain peace and harmony and not to allow his emotion to take charge.
menzhi 8 months ago
Go Hazel! What a great actress and what a strong role!
philipjames33 8 months ago
should be the aaron & hazel storyline now :/
danny miller is such a great actor because he makes it all do believable... just wish everyone saw what we saw,, i know its easier to blame hazel but it really was aarons choice :'(
heart breaking & great acting <3
XxxXxxANNI3xxXxxX 8 months ago
A funeral is to say goodbye to someone, and/or celebrate their life.. what the fuck does it matter how they died!?
BoysLovingBoys 8 months ago
@BoysLovingBoys no one refused Hazel a service for her son, Ashley just said HE would not do it, he offered another vicar or to hold it in a different church. lets not over react.
keithleroy1 8 months ago 2
@keithleroy1 "noone refused Hazel a service" .. "Ashley just said HE would not do it" .. exactly, so he is refusing = P. You cant tell tone on the computer but I didnt mean for it to sound like I was over reacting, cause im not.. I just dont like that he wouldnt do it I guess.
BoysLovingBoys 8 months ago
@BoysLovingBoys Ashley did not refuse the service in his church, just him doing it, thats why I replied no one refused them a service, sorry if I over reacted to you, it was not meant either. When I die I do not want a christian funeral, and as Jackson was an athiest too, i think it is a little hypocritical of them both (Jackson and Hazel) to expect one, but notice the church was willing to do one even though they knew of Jackson views.
keithleroy1 8 months ago
@keithleroy1 Oh okay, I didnt get that they could still have it in his church; or that Jackson was an atheist = S Guess I missed that = P.
BoysLovingBoys 8 months ago
hazel was only meant to play a very small role in this show as his mum coming to meet Aaron and then go but cause of how good of a actress she is and the good responses she seems to be staying on the show longer than Jackson
foreverlove006 8 months ago
This is just getting ridiculous. Another boring repetitive Mother-of-the-Year roow between Hazel and Chas. More of Hazel and Aaron sitting around being cloyingly maudlin. And now Hazel wants everyone to cater to her. Because as I recall she and Jackson were hardly religious, but she will go barging into Ashley's and then get on her fitful moral high-horse when he refuses. Yeah yeah yeah, your son's dead. I do believe they are trying to make her as unpleasant as Jackson. They are succeeding.
SIRinLTHR 8 months ago
"I said to myself I said Hazel"...happy to hear that even amidst these morbid times :)
magicpaint 8 months ago
I think out of everything this storyline has thrown at us, I think Ashley refusing to do the service, is the most bizarre thing. Does he not preach about God loving everyone and forgiveness. He should do the service for Jackson and celebrate his life. I really dislike the way the writers are doing this :(
Westlifefan1 8 months ago
I think not refusing service base on race, sexuality, religion, nationality, religion, gender and so on is sensible and morally just. But I think we should be allowed to reject service to people who may have committed a criminal act, especially involving a death. I personally *don't* think what Hazel and Aaron did should be a criminal act, but it is. PLUS in the mind of Ashley he has *no* evidence to prove or disprove Jackson was not murdered. So... I understand Ashley's opinion and dilemma.
erzan 8 months ago
@erzan But why should it matter what HAZEL did? I don't get you guys. He could disagree with murder all he wants and think that Hazel is the most ruthless person on the planet - but the service is not for her - it's for JACKSON! If he didn't want to do it because of what Jackson did ... then he should of said that!
yournewsecretcrush 8 months ago
@yournewsecretcrush MAYBE he believes Jackson wanted to die? that Hazel was begged to do it by Jackson, in which case he see it as suicide and he disagrees with SUICIDE. so it is about Jackson?
b5bobby 8 months ago
@b5bobby I agree with you. I think Ashley was using "you" in a plural sense, meaning Hazel, Jackson, and Aaron.
OnMyWaytotheFLA 8 months ago 2
Lol, my sister's name is Ashley, and she just kept turning around whenever Hazel said the name.
vampires18 8 months ago
I think it's kind if bad of any man of god to refuse anyone's funeral at any time. I mean i understand scheduling conflict, but that's not the case here, it's a flat out no. They say God is about unconditional love and forgiveness, so even if he disagrees he shouldn't refuse... that's just wrong.
thesadiqueboy 8 months ago 4
I disagree with Ashley's opinion, but I understand where he's coming from as far as his opinion about what Hazel and Aaron did, but that has no bearing on the conducting of the funeral, he's rejecting Jackson, not Hazel.
It's the equivalent of refusing to perform a service for Jackson because he was gay.
corvus13 8 months ago
@corvus13 I love the part where he says "instead of trying to get him through it". Umm, where was he when Aaron and Hazel were doing just that!!! Again, this arrogance of being an outsider and thinking he knows everything that happened, it really makes me sick.
lawrence5584 8 months ago 2
@lawrence5584 And are Hazel and Aaron Professional? no professional help was given to Jackson and even though Hazel and Jackson both heard from steve that he took years to get used to his new live, that it took time and a lot of professional help, they didn't pick up a phone to get any for Jackson did they? It is not a clear cut thing, the likes of Lizzy and Ashley have a point, Taking Jackson on holiday or to a football match will never solve an underlining problem but professional can.
b5bobby 8 months ago
@b5bobby one thing that was notably absent from Steve was any reference to professional help whatsoever. Emmerdale has ruthlessly omitted any depiction of professinal aftercare apart from Joe.
patroclus33 8 months ago
@b5bobby You can only open the door for a person, sadly you cannot make them go through it, even a quadriplegic. They attempted to get him the help he required, but he refused it. Some people can handle and adapt to such circumstances, but others cannot. Would I choose to end it? No, because I'm a fighter. But do I judge those who choose that route, or the people who help them achieve it? No. Lets get back to the main issue, that no one in this little village is in a position to judge.
lawrence5584 8 months ago 6
Aaron sat there replaying Jackson's message was heart breaking, I wonder if he is will cope in the next few months?
eilatanseyah 8 months ago 3
Go Hazel. Tell Chas what for.
Pog421 8 months ago
Refusing to officiate at the funeral because it might be perceived as condoning the assisted suicide is utter bullsh$t.
rippinsteo 8 months ago
Ashley is just standing up for what he believes in
junoxrocs 8 months ago
Yeah Hazel, you`re right a real Mom would try to understand her sons decision and would just comfort him coz he lost his love and ask questions later!
hanluci 8 months ago 2
Is it a vicar's job to not conduct funerals for anyone who did anything they disagree with? There must not be any funerals in that town!
phrakta1 8 months ago
godbags hate suicide, but then they hate gays as well - is assisting one die a double negative?
TungstenV 8 months ago
Why does Hazel assume eveyone will understand what she and Aaron did? No one knew what Jackson was going through because they kept it a secret from them. As far as everyone knew Jackson was dealing with it. She can't expect people to understand just because she tells them, they had to live it like Aaron did. At least show them the video diary or something.
Freeze883 8 months ago
@Freeze883 thank u! i don't like how she handled him being handicapped n the first place. a real mother would have made him go 2 a therapist and take antidepressants..that might not have worked but @ least she would have actually tried doing something
jillybean6 8 months ago 2
why everyone hating on Ashley for...
0o0dead0o0 8 months ago
all the gay storie line are going to hell but i still love to see what is going on
superdude369123 8 months ago
Pauline was amazing in her scenes esp. with Chas and Ashley. Hazel was exactly right, Chas knows little about Aaron. I think she's jealous, too, that Hazel and Aaron have a strong bond. I love Bob, what a loyal friend. Hard to see Jackson again. Even harder seeing Aaron press replay for Jackson's "I love you" again and again.
mdrljrruest 8 months ago 2
You make me sick, way to go Hazel....hr
MrHummer1966 8 months ago
You make me sick.... Well done Hazel... Ashley's a prick
sammrrik 8 months ago
awww, the part where he keeps rewinding the video is so sad :'(
Maryangel24 8 months ago 2
cant stand ashley, eh ever heard of ..... let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
ilovetodreamatno3 8 months ago
Big softy... Under the thick skin... Awwwww bless :)
sammrrik 8 months ago 3
Ashley's a pig...!!!... I hated his character before and I hate his character even more...!!!.... He should be rid of his collar... He is not appropriate to be a priest...
sammrrik 8 months ago
Finally Chas gets a piece of the truth... She really does not know Aaron... I mean how thick is she... Why the hell can't she understand that no one dragged Aaron into this... It was his friggin choice... Chas should just out a zip on her mouth... She is really getting on my nerves...!!!...
sammrrik 8 months ago
Poor Aaron why is there nobody who would just take him in his/her arms! Love it when Jackson said that he is a big softy, cause it really is true even though he does everything to hide it! Broke my heart when he played the "I love you" port over and over! Love how Hazel and Aaron are protecting each other and and how she told Chaz to get to know her son!
hanluci 8 months ago 14
Longue vie à "Aaron's Storlyne"
MeistersingerJB 8 months ago