Green light, green flags, safety car in this lap, no instruction from the FIA to the teams that the race was finishing under the safety car or safety car conditions, no yellows, no SC boards. What more do the FIA want? They should hand themselves a hefty fine for not knowing there own rules!
Cars should drive into the pits when the result was already there. Stupid joke Fuck Damon Hill. There were other incidents in this race but they had to punish schumi.
I cited the rules. Precisely. That explain that the stewards hasn't act in a fair way. This is not the first time it happened, you know.
And no, everyone didn't knew it was illegal. And it wasn't. You're not allowed to overtake if and only f the race ends whilst the SC is deployed. Which wasn't the case, if you read and understand article 40.4. It's article 40.4 who proves that the Yellow Flags has to be waved. As it was the case in Australia 2009. As it was not in Monaco 2010.
No you're wrong. Watch Australian GP 2009, they keep yellow flags and SC boards to the chequered flag. They had to do that it is in article 40.4 :
"When the order is given the DEPLOY the SC [...] all the marshal's post will display waved YELLOW flags and SC boards FOR TH DURATION OF THE INTERVENTION."
So because the green flags, race hasn't ended whilst the SC was deployed, therefore article 40.13 had not to be apply. That is clear, and that's a ridiculous penalty.
i have watched the f1 for 18 years. i always tought that the fia tried everything to let schumacher get away with the most dirty tricks but this year it becomes clear that the fia always backed ferrari. so for this one i am for schumacher. although i dispies him for the 1994 and 1997 incidents i still think he is a great driver and i am glad to see that some of the old guys are back to show that they can still drive
@Xalex287 Schumacher passed under GREEN light (as is, among other things, shown even in this very video). They punished him without a reason. It was a sad day for F1 justice (despite Michael's numerous dirty tricks earlier in his career, which I despise).
@Xalex287 eeh pazan, alonso spun his tires and didn't have good traction cuz of bad tires and that's why schumi passesd him. there were no yellow flags !
i wouldnt say shxt, but you can clearly see, that alonso was fightin so hard to keep his position he almost lost grip, so, WHY the hell he did it? because the race was ON, everybody knew that, and schumacher fxckin owned him, to say at last, im a ferrari fan and i hope alonso will win the title, but even as a champion, his ass was kicked by the real king in monaco
number 1 hahahaha you must love him to bits, nobody believes what you said, remember hungary 2006:) or suzuka 2006:) hahahaha schumacher was a lucky one who had the best car throughout his stay in F1, fortunately this year everybody's found out the real michael, he's been beaten by his partner rosberg. he's now 76 adrift rosberg, i'd be ashamed of being his fan. don't back him to the hilt, you're wasting your time. he's a cheater. everybody knows it at the paddock. bye. BTW I'm a jenson button.
Plenty of reasons why he's not doing well, mostly has to do with mercedes itself. Rosberg is good and he has an f1 car that suits his needs. Schumacher doesn't. Jenson Button wasn't a champion either or even close to it until he joined mclaren, so If I were to argue your case I would say you should be ashamed that Button can only win in a superior car.
@LordTyrannus Err you even watch F1?? Button became Champion in Brawn GP which is now the mercedes Team. SO button technicaly won in a car with one years less development than what schumacher is driving now .
Have YOU been watching F1? The mercedes team is completely different than before. First of all they have an inferior car in 2010 compared to other teams and have stopped focusing on this years car and already started building next years car. Then there is the whole issue of Schumachers driving style and the car not being built to his specifications because it was rushed out of production for the 2010 season. Combine those two issues and that could account for his poor performance
True..to a degree. You can't expect a hockey player for instance to be able to compete with wooden skates and a stick with no curve. Even if he is the best the advancements in technology would hurt his ability to do better than others. Same case applies to team Mercedes and Schumacher. This years Mercedes car is far behind the top 5 and have effectively shifted focus over to next year.
@stellpoons Your reply doesn't even match up to my statement, are you replying to the right guy? Is English really your native language? Your replies to people are a bit hard to comprehend. Try reading some of it. Anyways, Button won not because of a superior team, they also had e year advantage on development since Honda stopped for a year and just focused on the next GP, but the primary reason was Brawn found out a loop hole in the diffuser rules and took advantage of it.
@stellpoons ehm no, Brawn was honda, Honda stopped the year before and Brawn worked a year for the new specification so they had a year advantage, that is why they won. You remember Shumi's first years with ferrari? Not very good either. Just give it some time and I am sure the Fuhrer will reign supreme again.
@philateliceun brawn was honda, then it was brawn... now its mercedes you might need a lesson on chronology. The whole mercedes team are exactly the same people because mercedes would have bought out the brawn team.
@stellpoons That's what he said Einstein, "Brawn was Honda" why are you even correcting him. Learn to read. Your replies are hard to link to the previous replies of other people as most of your statements stray of the subject matter. He's right about Honda having an advantage in developing since they stopped for a year thus resulting on the Brawn GP car Button used to win. Even with a miss matched engine, it didn't matter as they had superior aerodynamics.
@hectorasito I love how when Schumacher does everything it takes to win, including some possibly underhanded means, everyone calls it cheating, and him a fake. But when Ayrton Senna does it, he's a driving god. Seriously, wth? Yeah, Schumi has some dirty tricks now and then, because he will do anything it takes to win, he has that kind of drive, Ayrton said himself: "if you no longer do whatever it takes to win you are no longer a racing driver."
The only reason why Schumacher got penalized is because the steward was Damon Hill (who, as we all know, hated Schumi from his driving days). Otherwise, the pass was legal as the cars had already passed the safety car line.
STUPID ! Sunday 1, 2010 on Belgium F1 Grand Prix Michael Schumacher did again ! He almost kill Rubens Barrichello for the 10 place position! Michael Schumacher is not without a great car ! Now he should show us how good his is! The bad side he has been showing !
STUPID ! Sunday 1, 2010 on Belgium F1 Grand Prix Michael Schumacher did again ! He almost kill Rubens Barrichello for the 10 place position! Micchael Schumacher is not without a great car ! Now he should show us how good his is! The bad side he has been showing !
fuck the stupid safety car. any race that ends under caution is a fraudulent result, whether it be nascar or f1. name any other sport that time elapses but the teams arent allowed to 'score'. i hope all racing goes bankrupt when the fans wake up and revolt.
Don´t forget who the FIA commissioner was for this race... Damon Hill. He reacted emotionally and not rationally as a way to payback Shumacher´s for his dirty driving when he was competing for the championship in 1994 (Adelaide). Ross Brawn is a genius and right about this decision, the FIA are Ferrari´s puppet.
To impose a 20 second penalty is scandalous. Alonso and Schumacher should have swapped finishing positions and nothing more. Personally I think Ross Brawn is right in his arguement, and Schuey finished ahead of Alonso. However, Alonso was warned by team radio he must NOT overtake. Imagine how pissed the Spaniard was to see the Silver Arrow scooting past him!
@41Icke See that's where you're wrong. Schumacher got punished for breaking the rules.. And on top of that the Ferrari team knew that you weren't allowed to overtaken, and actually told Alonso to not overtake anyone.
Rule 40.13- "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
Even after three years out of F1 Schumacher can still pass Alonso with ease. Alonso must have had flashbacks to China 2006, the last time the man in the red helmet overtook him. And now he has done it with an inferior car.
@aieljose Alonso stated I wanted to attack Lewis Hamilton, but I was forbidden by the team to do it. The fact that Michael went ahead to pass me did not surprise me. So he was not surprised, if you are not surprised by an outcome that would establish that to some extent you where expecting it in some form. If we actually look more closely at what you said, you created a non validity statement on your expectations rather than what Alonso would expect, a common misconception on your part.
@aieljose Really? Then why did he slam on the gas so hard that he lost traction and nearly slid into the barricade? That was what enabled the pass, Alonso losing traction. He clearly was on the throttle hard to spin his tires so much as to lose traction completely. I suggest you watch the replay again. Alonso defended, Schumi succeeded.
@number1Schumacherfan schumi IS a cheater. however, this vid does back this incident up a bit. it wasnt a with ease pass. alonso was caught off guard. either way, it was a penalty and the FIA know their own rules.
@BrianRichterWWE How can you be mad, do you want Mercedes to WASTE money appealing only to find out that if they WIN the appeal they CAN'T get the points or position back due to "Article 152". To sum up Brian since you have already been told this numerous times, I can only think an idiot like you would suggest a team throw money away just to get clarification of a rule which there already getting after June 23rd!
The FIA is going to review the SC regulations "to clarify the procedure that cars must meet when the last lap is controlled by the Safety Car". My conclusion: it was plainly not clear if the race ended under SC or not. If it wasn't clear: why did they punished Schumacher?. On the other side, the case of Barrichello in the same race was apparently not important enough to be even discussed.
@SalvatX Technically the race did end under the SC, but the safety car pulls into the pits and the drivers are supposed to cross the line as if they are under the safety car, really just so it doesn't look like Bernd Maylander wins the Monaco Grand Prix. The stupid thing is they did show green flags when it should have been yellows and SC boards. I wish the stewards could have said, "We screwed up with the flags, so you're just going to have to give the place back." instead of the time penalty.
It is strange how often, when ferrari are involved in an incident, the decision seems to come out in their favour. When Hamilton become champion in 2008 he would have won by a much larger margin but for several decisions almost all of which went in Ferraris favour. Even at Monacco, Massa baulked Buttons qualifying lap but received no penalty. This seems to happen far too regularly not to be a pattern.
@NewSchumalice Yep, this pattern has been going on for years. Whenever there is any doubt the benefit always seems to go to Ferrari. Alonso has already been involved in several dubious incidents this year but has remained unpunished. If he had been driving for any other team I strongly doubt that this would have been so.
you are not aware of the modified rules 2010 f1. it clearly says overtaking is allowed before the start finish line in between line one when the safety car is in and the green light is on
I have checked the rules and 40:14 is there however, that rule originated before 2010. Before 2010 the race would be continued after they had passed the finish line. Therefore it would be sensible that the race drivers don't overtake while the safety car goes in on the last lap. You can see that in Melbourne 2009. Button goes over the finish line with yellow flags and SC boards. FIA had to make a very difficult decision and I can respect their choice, but they have to extrapolate that rule.
BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
Guys, Everyone needs to understand the rule (Article 40.13) a much better.
Here is the explanation. To understand clearly lets look at the rule slowely ............
It says.
Article 40.13
1."If the race ends while the safety car is deployed (so understand whats said here "while the safety car is deployed" is the sentence). 'Keep this in mind'
2. It will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap.
3. and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
@paddy34able i agree but who cares i hope they make him mad and he will turn off the pension mode and go into Red Baron mode again, he is more aggressive from race to race, next year if the car has potential he will show it off!
@alexis7777 That's only IF the race ends under SC. The SC was called in. And not to let only the drivers to cross the finish line. Because if it was the case, the message "SC in this lap" would never been shown, signs of SC would not been removed and the yellow flags would not been replaced by green flags. If the race director wanted to finish the race under SC, he made a lot of mistakes...
@HFDSPG Use a translator, sorry, que sino me expreso mal, perdon haha. En el artículo 40.13 dice que si la carrera va a terminar con SC, éste se retirará en la última vuelta y de ahí al final no se podrá adelantar, es más por un tema de televisiones para que aparezca el coche ganador y no el SC.
@alexis7777 No te procupes, te entendí. El quid de la cuestión, es que la carrera no termina bajo SC. Y no lo digo porque el SC se metiera en boxes, porque se metería igualmente. Lo digo porque si la carrera va a terminar bajo SC, no se muestra el mensaje diciendo que el SC se retira. Simplemente, se mete en boxes para que sólo crucen los pilotos. Ni se retiran los carteles de SC, ni se cambian las banderas amarillas por la verdes. En todo esto, está el gran error.
@HFDSPG Yo entiendo que el SC se retira para acabar la carrera así, es un poco retorcido pensar que le quitan y se va a poder adelantar, pero bueno....para gustos existen los colores xD
@alexis7777 Retorcido pensar que se retira y que se va a poder adelantar?? Retorcido cuando muestran en pantalla un mensaje de que se retira el SC, a los equipos les informan de "track clear", retiran los carteles de SC y cambian las banderas amarillas por banderas verdes?? Todos fueron a saco, excepto a Alonso. A ver si nos enteramos de las cosas. Por eso Alonso fue el único al que adelantaron. La norma 40.13 no se puede aplicar en este caso, porque no se cumplieron los requisitos necesarios.
@alexis7777 Eso lo dicen los de La Secta. Todos los equipos, excepto Ferrari, dijeron a sus pilotos que los últimos metros eran de carrera. Todos salieron a saco de la última curva, excepto Alonso, que reaccionó más tarde. Si nadie pudiera adelantar a nadie, habría ido todos de paseo hasta la meta. Y no fue lo que hicieron...
Formula 1 has become a farce. I have followed it for over 30 years. If the drivers are not racing to the finish line, why bother putting your foot down? (That is why Alonso got out of shape) You may as well cruise to the line. It is bad enough that Schumacher's move does not stand. To give him a 20 sec penalty is appalling. The rules are contradictory and the punishments inconsistent and unfair. **** F1, I am done with it.
all that evidence and they still fucked him and i have to add thats the past few races ms has beat nico so screw eddie jordan and that never was strlin moss
@BrianRichterWWE It would appear you are some how confused with the actual situation. In no way was the penalty going to be removed, since "Article 152" clearly expresses no appeal can be made on a penalty issued from 40.13. Rather what was previously going to take place was an appeal of the 'decision' made. Hence the reason why any movement towards appeal was aborted once confirmation was obtained regarding a review of the 'questionable' rule 40.13.
@BrianRichterWWE What has that got to do with the appeal? You fail to read the statement correctly. As I said, even if an appeal was won, the final positions would still remain the same. I suggest you fully read before you post. My post was based around your comment "they could win it maybe and get the 8 points back", as this could NEVER happen due to "Article 152". I never even mentioned whether it was legal or not!
Analizando el momento en que Michael pasa a Fernando, por las caracteristicas del mismo, pienso que Fernando le tendio una trampa a Michael en venganza por la actuacion de Michael en anos pasados dejandose pasar.
Mercedes GP has announced that it has decided to drop its appeal against the stewards' decision to hand Michael Schumacher a 20-second penalty at the end of the Monaco Grand Prix. The 7-time World Champion lost six race positions as a result of the punishment, which came after passing Fernando Alonso on the final lap.
40.13 "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
I guess its how you read it but my understanding is that the SC lead the final lap and then pulled in so it must follow this rule.
@FormulaOneObsessed How difficult is to understand that if the message "SC in this lap" is shown, SC signs are removed, yellow flags are replaced by green flags, then, the race do NOT finish under the SC.
Surley rule 40.13 is what happened. Remember Australia 2009? The race was finished under the saftey car but it pulled in on the last lap and green flags were shown, and it "looks" like the same case here. I can't find another rule that says if the saftey car pulls in on the last lap of the race then racing is resumed...
@FormulaOneObsessed Sorry but this is an incorrect statement. A simple search would prove that yellow flags and SC signs where displayed at the moment in which the race finished. I have sent you a PM displaying a picture of 2 SC signs and 3 yellow flags.
@Lollygoggle They wasn't. The FIA said in an officical Statement, the Race were on again, Green Flags, but they didn't want that. So it was a clearly misunderstand betwen the Teams and FIA.
@ReLax232 A common misconseption, this was based on the Australia 09 race in which the event finished under yellow flags & SC signs. Are you contesting this?
@FormulaOneObsessed Another user already gave you the answer. SC pulls in, but "SC in this lap" message is not shown and SC signs and yellow flags still on until the checkered flag.
BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
-- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
-- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
-- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
Guys, Everyone needs to understand the rule (Article 40.13) a much better.
Here is the explanation. To understand clearly lets look at the rule slowely ............
It says.
Article 40.13
1."If the race ends while the safety car is deployed (so understand whats said here "while the safety car is deployed" is the sentence). 'Keep this in mind'
2. It will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap.
3. and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
@georgy2123 Obviously Ross is trying to make it stick...however this would only apply in case there is no ongoing SC procedure that will finish the race which means that the SC will come in the last lap (as it was communicated to the teams by race control) in order for the cars to pass the finish line...read the news, at Mercedes they already knew that they don't make a chance with their appeal...
@AWengerdavidh18 Not true, the new rule says you can overtake after you have passed the white line near the entrance of the pitlane. The way you say it, is the old rule as it was so last year :).
Ross is absolutely right, there were green flags - means Race, and Schumi made an outstanding gift to the spectators by overtaking Alonso in the last corner, such moves add popularity to F1 and it is unacceptable to take any points of Schumi. Commitment of Bernie needed!!!
Then again, rule 40.13 would only be active if there weren't green flags.
This rule should let them show yellow flags instead, but they didn't, which means this rule is inactive and Schumacher did the right thing, which deserves the 6th place.
I hope that the stewards will open their eyes and see the truth.
That Damon Hill just wants to disadvantage Schumacher, because he was his biggest rival and lost the title against him in 1994 by an accident.
Guys, Everyone needs to understand the rule (Article 40.13) a much better.
Here is the explanation. To understand clearly lets look at the rule slowely ............
It says.
Article 40.13
1."If the race ends while the safety car is deployed (so understand whats said here "while the safety car is deployed" is the sentence). 'Keep this in mind'
2. It will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap.
3. and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
@richardbriz Lo que dice Ross Brown es que a partir de este año el régimen de safety car termina en la SC Line 1 (la linea a la entrada de boxes) y a partir de alli se puede adelantar. Como en la última vuelta se informo "pista libre" y "el SC entra ahora" y además se encendieron las luces verdes les estuvo claro que en esos 400m entre SC line 1 y la meta la carrera estaba libre.
@digistil I don't make anybody look good or bad. The rules are there to be followed. Schum's actions should be penalized because he breached the SC rules and made a potentially dangerous situation that could be avoided if he followed the rules.
@digistil obviously you're a man of the world...and you've been to places where you have priority roads and traffic lights? what happens when these fail? right...there is a STOP sign placed BEHIND them to avoid major accidents!
Marshall post lights are normally operated by the marshalls themselves at the marshall's post just like the flags waved. The only lights 100% operated by race control are at the start finish line. Imagine that when the traffic lights that you are heading for are not working, would you drive on past them even if there is a STOP sign behind them? In this case the stop sign being the SC procedure, the traffic lights are waved lags/lights out there on the track...
Flags are by marshalls individually, and can be mistakingly incorrect, the SC procedure is by race control and communicated to the teams. Any flags out there are overruled by the ongoing SC procedure. The teams should inform their drivers correctly. Read the FIA rulebook and you'll agree. No rulebending here, just trying to smartass their way out....
@EDB1962 Not just the flags, the electronic sign board or the light also turned from yellow to green..which is clearly not controlled by the marshals..
The reason that Schum should be sanctioned by the stewards is because when the SC is on track the last lap (which was the case in Monaco) the SC procedure is on. If Alonso would have raced Schum like he races his opponents on a regular basis, he would have put him in the armco, they both would have probably crashed out at one of the tightest parts of the circuit causing complete chaos to the rest of the field behind them.
SC is safety car procedure. If the race ends under SC, what happened in Monaco, the FIA rulebook for the SC procedure applies. Again, what part is not clear here? Race control merely communicated the procedure to the teams. Can't bend the rules. Brawn and Schum should have known, they are not rookies.
@EDB1962 nope. they are pros and especially Schumi likes to go full force on the rules. Both sides have good arguments here. Green flag is green flag. if the race is not resumed why wave the green flag. Even if it was said to be an ending race under the SC (hence no overtaking), after green flags were shown on the race track this decision is overruled. maybe it was a mistake to have shown the green flags. but that is not Mercedes concern. green flag= race resumed.
what a legend - cannot beleive im actually gonna meet him
cobra427fan 1 week ago
FIA = Ferrari International Assistance
MS is the king, specially under wet condition.
rfn95 2 months ago in playlist Liked videos
Haha...I hope Stefano stays with Ferrari for another 10 years as team boss...with him Ferrari are never going to win any championships again.
Invincible278 3 months ago
This was a nice drive. FIA don't wants it!
therealdefpunk 8 months ago
Green light, green flags, safety car in this lap, no instruction from the FIA to the teams that the race was finishing under the safety car or safety car conditions, no yellows, no SC boards. What more do the FIA want? They should hand themselves a hefty fine for not knowing there own rules!
tubehows4life 10 months ago 7
Reminds you how senna always got picked on by the FIA.......
mrdarkknight 10 months ago
Ross is right at this point - and msc did it for the lulz :D
yokNo 11 months ago 8
Cars should drive into the pits when the result was already there. Stupid joke Fuck Damon Hill. There were other incidents in this race but they had to punish schumi.
ledaf41 1 year ago 3
@Xalex287
I cited the rules. Precisely. That explain that the stewards hasn't act in a fair way. This is not the first time it happened, you know.
And no, everyone didn't knew it was illegal. And it wasn't. You're not allowed to overtake if and only f the race ends whilst the SC is deployed. Which wasn't the case, if you read and understand article 40.4. It's article 40.4 who proves that the Yellow Flags has to be waved. As it was the case in Australia 2009. As it was not in Monaco 2010.
SchumiSutil 1 year ago
@Xalex287
No you're wrong. Watch Australian GP 2009, they keep yellow flags and SC boards to the chequered flag. They had to do that it is in article 40.4 :
"When the order is given the DEPLOY the SC [...] all the marshal's post will display waved YELLOW flags and SC boards FOR TH DURATION OF THE INTERVENTION."
So because the green flags, race hasn't ended whilst the SC was deployed, therefore article 40.13 had not to be apply. That is clear, and that's a ridiculous penalty.
SchumiSutil 1 year ago 3
It was punk ass Damon Hill that gave Schui the penalty ,
cman750rr 1 year ago
i have watched the f1 for 18 years. i always tought that the fia tried everything to let schumacher get away with the most dirty tricks but this year it becomes clear that the fia always backed ferrari. so for this one i am for schumacher. although i dispies him for the 1994 and 1997 incidents i still think he is a great driver and i am glad to see that some of the old guys are back to show that they can still drive
AgentKokx47 1 year ago
@Xalex287 Schumacher passed under GREEN light (as is, among other things, shown even in this very video). They punished him without a reason. It was a sad day for F1 justice (despite Michael's numerous dirty tricks earlier in his career, which I despise).
jakubkrcma 1 year ago
@Xalex287 eeh pazan, alonso spun his tires and didn't have good traction cuz of bad tires and that's why schumi passesd him. there were no yellow flags !
zabraoota 1 year ago
i wouldnt say shxt, but you can clearly see, that alonso was fightin so hard to keep his position he almost lost grip, so, WHY the hell he did it? because the race was ON, everybody knew that, and schumacher fxckin owned him, to say at last, im a ferrari fan and i hope alonso will win the title, but even as a champion, his ass was kicked by the real king in monaco
tykve 1 year ago
@tykve well said
zabraoota 1 year ago
Schumi vS Alonso...ANY DAY!!!!
auriour 1 year ago
fuck FIA, Schumi should get those 8 points :D
BrianRichterWWE 1 year ago
number 1 hahahaha you must love him to bits, nobody believes what you said, remember hungary 2006:) or suzuka 2006:) hahahaha schumacher was a lucky one who had the best car throughout his stay in F1, fortunately this year everybody's found out the real michael, he's been beaten by his partner rosberg. he's now 76 adrift rosberg, i'd be ashamed of being his fan. don't back him to the hilt, you're wasting your time. he's a cheater. everybody knows it at the paddock. bye. BTW I'm a jenson button.
hectorasito 1 year ago
@hectorasito
Plenty of reasons why he's not doing well, mostly has to do with mercedes itself. Rosberg is good and he has an f1 car that suits his needs. Schumacher doesn't. Jenson Button wasn't a champion either or even close to it until he joined mclaren, so If I were to argue your case I would say you should be ashamed that Button can only win in a superior car.
LordTyrannus 1 year ago
@LordTyrannus Err you even watch F1?? Button became Champion in Brawn GP which is now the mercedes Team. SO button technicaly won in a car with one years less development than what schumacher is driving now .
stellpoons 1 year ago
@stellpoons
Have YOU been watching F1? The mercedes team is completely different than before. First of all they have an inferior car in 2010 compared to other teams and have stopped focusing on this years car and already started building next years car. Then there is the whole issue of Schumachers driving style and the car not being built to his specifications because it was rushed out of production for the 2010 season. Combine those two issues and that could account for his poor performance
LordTyrannus 1 year ago
@LordTyrannus Aye its different to before, but Brawn turned in to the mercedes team.
Tbh a great driver can make the best of a car no matter how it is.
stellpoons 1 year ago
@stellpoons
True..to a degree. You can't expect a hockey player for instance to be able to compete with wooden skates and a stick with no curve. Even if he is the best the advancements in technology would hurt his ability to do better than others. Same case applies to team Mercedes and Schumacher. This years Mercedes car is far behind the top 5 and have effectively shifted focus over to next year.
LordTyrannus 1 year ago
@stellpoons Button won because they took advantage of a loophole regarding diffusers. Have you really been watching?
bartybaby 1 year ago
@bartybaby I never said this wasnt true
stellpoons 1 year ago
@stellpoons Your reply doesn't even match up to my statement, are you replying to the right guy? Is English really your native language? Your replies to people are a bit hard to comprehend. Try reading some of it. Anyways, Button won not because of a superior team, they also had e year advantage on development since Honda stopped for a year and just focused on the next GP, but the primary reason was Brawn found out a loop hole in the diffuser rules and took advantage of it.
bartybaby 1 year ago
@stellpoons ehm no, Brawn was honda, Honda stopped the year before and Brawn worked a year for the new specification so they had a year advantage, that is why they won. You remember Shumi's first years with ferrari? Not very good either. Just give it some time and I am sure the Fuhrer will reign supreme again.
philateliceun 1 year ago
@philateliceun brawn was honda, then it was brawn... now its mercedes you might need a lesson on chronology. The whole mercedes team are exactly the same people because mercedes would have bought out the brawn team.
stellpoons 1 year ago
@stellpoons That's what he said Einstein, "Brawn was Honda" why are you even correcting him. Learn to read. Your replies are hard to link to the previous replies of other people as most of your statements stray of the subject matter. He's right about Honda having an advantage in developing since they stopped for a year thus resulting on the Brawn GP car Button used to win. Even with a miss matched engine, it didn't matter as they had superior aerodynamics.
bartybaby 1 year ago
@bartybaby who are you?
stellpoons 1 year ago
@hectorasito You probably started watching f1 in 2004.
Rzrjo 1 year ago
@hectorasito I love how when Schumacher does everything it takes to win, including some possibly underhanded means, everyone calls it cheating, and him a fake. But when Ayrton Senna does it, he's a driving god. Seriously, wth? Yeah, Schumi has some dirty tricks now and then, because he will do anything it takes to win, he has that kind of drive, Ayrton said himself: "if you no longer do whatever it takes to win you are no longer a racing driver."
kokochan7 1 year ago 4
Alonso is a bitch. He's a joke compared to the greats
thnk4urself 1 year ago
The only reason why Schumacher got penalized is because the steward was Damon Hill (who, as we all know, hated Schumi from his driving days). Otherwise, the pass was legal as the cars had already passed the safety car line.
SonicXisnow2009 1 year ago
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STUPID ! Sunday 1, 2010 on Belgium F1 Grand Prix Michael Schumacher did again ! He almost kill Rubens Barrichello for the 10 place position! Michael Schumacher is not without a great car ! Now he should show us how good his is! The bad side he has been showing !
KAPOLUTA 1 year ago
STUPID ! Sunday 1, 2010 on Belgium F1 Grand Prix Michael Schumacher did again ! He almost kill Rubens Barrichello for the 10 place position! Micchael Schumacher is not without a great car ! Now he should show us how good his is! The bad side he has been showing !
KAPOLUTA 1 year ago
read rules manual Mr Brawn, new rules are still rules
Esk1zo 1 year ago
fuck the stupid safety car. any race that ends under caution is a fraudulent result, whether it be nascar or f1. name any other sport that time elapses but the teams arent allowed to 'score'. i hope all racing goes bankrupt when the fans wake up and revolt.
dilliphant3 1 year ago
@dilliphant3 idiot
coolpilot2001 1 year ago
IGAZAD VAN ROSS!!!
MrKrisz70 1 year ago
Don´t forget who the FIA commissioner was for this race... Damon Hill. He reacted emotionally and not rationally as a way to payback Shumacher´s for his dirty driving when he was competing for the championship in 1994 (Adelaide). Ross Brawn is a genius and right about this decision, the FIA are Ferrari´s puppet.
ErichReverB 1 year ago 3
@ErichReverB
lol...wasn't Ferrari puppets from 1999 to 2005?
xpandia 1 year ago
To impose a 20 second penalty is scandalous. Alonso and Schumacher should have swapped finishing positions and nothing more. Personally I think Ross Brawn is right in his arguement, and Schuey finished ahead of Alonso. However, Alonso was warned by team radio he must NOT overtake. Imagine how pissed the Spaniard was to see the Silver Arrow scooting past him!
mickmickmurphy 1 year ago
@mickmickmurphy punishment can never the reverse action of your act...
you have to pay many times more
xpandia 1 year ago
Alonso was asleep, clever usage of rules by schumi, NICE DONE!
41Icke 1 year ago 2
@41Icke See that's where you're wrong. Schumacher got punished for breaking the rules.. And on top of that the Ferrari team knew that you weren't allowed to overtaken, and actually told Alonso to not overtake anyone.
Krames92 1 year ago
ross is a fuckin master...
WielkiPolskiPatriota 1 year ago
both are vicious pilots that's a fact XD
mouloudo 1 year ago
Fernando was asleep? Please, don't say silly things :S
Axielorza 1 year ago
dear schumy, this is dirty play...
zermatt1965 1 year ago
The proof is in Ross' hand.
simpsonlane 1 year ago
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Rule 40.13- "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
FormulaOneObsessed 1 year ago
Even after three years out of F1 Schumacher can still pass Alonso with ease. Alonso must have had flashbacks to China 2006, the last time the man in the red helmet overtook him. And now he has done it with an inferior car.
number1Schumacherfan 1 year ago 46
@number1Schumacherfan Alonso was told that there would be no overtaking, thus he was not expecting schumi to come flying fast him.
aieljose 1 year ago
@aieljose Alonso stated I wanted to attack Lewis Hamilton, but I was forbidden by the team to do it. The fact that Michael went ahead to pass me did not surprise me. So he was not surprised, if you are not surprised by an outcome that would establish that to some extent you where expecting it in some form. If we actually look more closely at what you said, you created a non validity statement on your expectations rather than what Alonso would expect, a common misconception on your part.
Lollygoggle 1 year ago
@aieljose Really? Then why did he slam on the gas so hard that he lost traction and nearly slid into the barricade? That was what enabled the pass, Alonso losing traction. He clearly was on the throttle hard to spin his tires so much as to lose traction completely. I suggest you watch the replay again. Alonso defended, Schumi succeeded.
number1Schumacherfan 1 year ago 2
@number1Schumacherfan I never said he didn't defend. I said he wasn't expecting shumi was going to try and pass.
aieljose 1 year ago
@number1Schumacherfan Illegally though... Even after three years out of F1 Schumacher can still cheat with ease.
Krames92 1 year ago
@number1Schumacherfan schumi IS a cheater. however, this vid does back this incident up a bit. it wasnt a with ease pass. alonso was caught off guard. either way, it was a penalty and the FIA know their own rules.
Soundgarden1009 1 year ago
@number1Schumacherfan With a VERY inferior car AND in Monaco !! =)
NewSchumalice 1 year ago
@number1Schumacherfan But alonso still did him on outside of 130R in renault vs ferrari.
stellpoons 1 year ago
@number1Schumacherfan they are both shit!
flipsidedogchop 10 months ago
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i'm still mad about Mercedes not going to defend the 8 points of Schumi :(
BrianRichterWWE 1 year ago
@BrianRichterWWE How can you be mad, do you want Mercedes to WASTE money appealing only to find out that if they WIN the appeal they CAN'T get the points or position back due to "Article 152". To sum up Brian since you have already been told this numerous times, I can only think an idiot like you would suggest a team throw money away just to get clarification of a rule which there already getting after June 23rd!
Lollygoggle 1 year ago
the fia is dumb
Kam4r 1 year ago 2
@kevincrnery
First its his not hers and Schumacher is the best Formula 1 driver in history he knows the ruels!!!
Phillikehisfriends 1 year ago 3
The FIA is going to review the SC regulations "to clarify the procedure that cars must meet when the last lap is controlled by the Safety Car". My conclusion: it was plainly not clear if the race ended under SC or not. If it wasn't clear: why did they punished Schumacher?. On the other side, the case of Barrichello in the same race was apparently not important enough to be even discussed.
SalvatX 1 year ago 24
@SalvatX Technically the race did end under the SC, but the safety car pulls into the pits and the drivers are supposed to cross the line as if they are under the safety car, really just so it doesn't look like Bernd Maylander wins the Monaco Grand Prix. The stupid thing is they did show green flags when it should have been yellows and SC boards. I wish the stewards could have said, "We screwed up with the flags, so you're just going to have to give the place back." instead of the time penalty.
slungbungdungclung 1 year ago
Monaco is a crap place, only gokarts shuld race there nowdays. And the stewards r tard.
Srsly
Lordvarbaro 1 year ago 2
@Lordvarbaro Agree, monaco should not be a F1 track.
Spienbest 1 year ago
It is strange how often, when ferrari are involved in an incident, the decision seems to come out in their favour. When Hamilton become champion in 2008 he would have won by a much larger margin but for several decisions almost all of which went in Ferraris favour. Even at Monacco, Massa baulked Buttons qualifying lap but received no penalty. This seems to happen far too regularly not to be a pattern.
georgemcnally 1 year ago
@georgemcnally And also Alonso overtook Chandhok under yellow flags and Massa crossed the pit exit line : no penalty either
NewSchumalice 1 year ago 4
@NewSchumalice Yep, this pattern has been going on for years. Whenever there is any doubt the benefit always seems to go to Ferrari. Alonso has already been involved in several dubious incidents this year but has remained unpunished. If he had been driving for any other team I strongly doubt that this would have been so.
georgemcnally 1 year ago 3
@georgemcnally
Hamilton was also told that overtaking was not allowed
paladinee 1 year ago
you are not aware of the modified rules 2010 f1. it clearly says overtaking is allowed before the start finish line in between line one when the safety car is in and the green light is on
rajkerala33 1 year ago
the fia should try reading there own rule book i think ross is right
jamiebywater 1 year ago
I have checked the rules and 40:14 is there however, that rule originated before 2010. Before 2010 the race would be continued after they had passed the finish line. Therefore it would be sensible that the race drivers don't overtake while the safety car goes in on the last lap. You can see that in Melbourne 2009. Button goes over the finish line with yellow flags and SC boards. FIA had to make a very difficult decision and I can respect their choice, but they have to extrapolate that rule.
philateliceun 1 year ago
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So things done by the merceades team are right.
For the overtaking move to be invalid the FIA should'nt have made the statment
SC in this LAP.
3600mat3600 1 year ago
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BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
3600mat3600 1 year ago
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Guys, Everyone needs to understand the rule (Article 40.13) a much better.
Here is the explanation. To understand clearly lets look at the rule slowely ............
It says.
Article 40.13
1."If the race ends while the safety car is deployed (so understand whats said here "while the safety car is deployed" is the sentence). 'Keep this in mind'
2. It will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap.
3. and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
3600mat3600 1 year ago
The FIA's a joke! A penalty for a overtake?! Formula One is becoming more and more ridiculous!
and btw, Schumis overtake was superb!
paddy34able 1 year ago
@paddy34able i agree but who cares i hope they make him mad and he will turn off the pension mode and go into Red Baron mode again, he is more aggressive from race to race, next year if the car has potential he will show it off!
celpabedn 1 year ago
Peccato...... hai scelto quelli che perdono e non sanno perdere.......
infatti quel tricheco tedesco non si vede piu...non ha piu scuse o cazzate da raccontare.Che triste figura....
PUCCINIANO45 1 year ago
nice of him to show everyone the evidence so the media cant make up whatever the hell they want to brainwash us. cant beleive he got screwed!
sjatuk 1 year ago
Brawn cheater... rule 40.13 If the sc moves back in the last lap, it is not possible to pass
alexis7777 1 year ago
@alexis7777 That's only IF the race ends under SC. The SC was called in. And not to let only the drivers to cross the finish line. Because if it was the case, the message "SC in this lap" would never been shown, signs of SC would not been removed and the yellow flags would not been replaced by green flags. If the race director wanted to finish the race under SC, he made a lot of mistakes...
HFDSPG 1 year ago
@HFDSPG Use a translator, sorry, que sino me expreso mal, perdon haha. En el artículo 40.13 dice que si la carrera va a terminar con SC, éste se retirará en la última vuelta y de ahí al final no se podrá adelantar, es más por un tema de televisiones para que aparezca el coche ganador y no el SC.
alexis7777 1 year ago
@alexis7777 No te procupes, te entendí. El quid de la cuestión, es que la carrera no termina bajo SC. Y no lo digo porque el SC se metiera en boxes, porque se metería igualmente. Lo digo porque si la carrera va a terminar bajo SC, no se muestra el mensaje diciendo que el SC se retira. Simplemente, se mete en boxes para que sólo crucen los pilotos. Ni se retiran los carteles de SC, ni se cambian las banderas amarillas por la verdes. En todo esto, está el gran error.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
@HFDSPG Yo entiendo que el SC se retira para acabar la carrera así, es un poco retorcido pensar que le quitan y se va a poder adelantar, pero bueno....para gustos existen los colores xD
alexis7777 1 year ago
@alexis7777 Retorcido pensar que se retira y que se va a poder adelantar?? Retorcido cuando muestran en pantalla un mensaje de que se retira el SC, a los equipos les informan de "track clear", retiran los carteles de SC y cambian las banderas amarillas por banderas verdes?? Todos fueron a saco, excepto a Alonso. A ver si nos enteramos de las cosas. Por eso Alonso fue el único al que adelantaron. La norma 40.13 no se puede aplicar en este caso, porque no se cumplieron los requisitos necesarios.
HFDSPG 1 year ago 2
@HFDSPG Te equivocas, a Hamilton y a Alonso les dijeron por radio que tranquilos, que no se podía adelantar.
alexis7777 1 year ago
@alexis7777 Eso lo dicen los de La Secta. Todos los equipos, excepto Ferrari, dijeron a sus pilotos que los últimos metros eran de carrera. Todos salieron a saco de la última curva, excepto Alonso, que reaccionó más tarde. Si nadie pudiera adelantar a nadie, habría ido todos de paseo hasta la meta. Y no fue lo que hicieron...
HFDSPG 1 year ago
Formula 1 has become a farce. I have followed it for over 30 years. If the drivers are not racing to the finish line, why bother putting your foot down? (That is why Alonso got out of shape) You may as well cruise to the line. It is bad enough that Schumacher's move does not stand. To give him a 20 sec penalty is appalling. The rules are contradictory and the punishments inconsistent and unfair. **** F1, I am done with it.
MARTIANBROTHER 1 year ago 3
all that evidence and they still fucked him and i have to add thats the past few races ms has beat nico so screw eddie jordan and that never was strlin moss
stevenmcg69 1 year ago
Brawn brought the evidence right there. Shame on you FIA. YouSuck.
therealdefpunk 1 year ago 3
schumacher drunk!!!!
empepinador88 1 year ago
how can u question minimcewen's spelling when your name looks like a frickin barcode???
1026jl 1 year ago
Mercedes wont defend it, they refused :(
to bad, they could win it maybe and get the 8 points back
BrianRichterWWE 1 year ago
@BrianRichterWWE It would appear you are some how confused with the actual situation. In no way was the penalty going to be removed, since "Article 152" clearly expresses no appeal can be made on a penalty issued from 40.13. Rather what was previously going to take place was an appeal of the 'decision' made. Hence the reason why any movement towards appeal was aborted once confirmation was obtained regarding a review of the 'questionable' rule 40.13.
Lollygoggle 1 year ago
@Lollygoggle they changed that rule if you didnt knew, you can now pass a driver after the Safety Car line by the pitlane, so it was legal ;)
BrianRichterWWE 1 year ago
@BrianRichterWWE What has that got to do with the appeal? You fail to read the statement correctly. As I said, even if an appeal was won, the final positions would still remain the same. I suggest you fully read before you post. My post was based around your comment "they could win it maybe and get the 8 points back", as this could NEVER happen due to "Article 152". I never even mentioned whether it was legal or not!
Lollygoggle 1 year ago
@BrianRichterWWE The stewards are dumb idiots, they wouldn't take their decission back...
myhomie94 1 year ago
Analizando el momento en que Michael pasa a Fernando, por las caracteristicas del mismo, pienso que Fernando le tendio una trampa a Michael en venganza por la actuacion de Michael en anos pasados dejandose pasar.
ppen100 1 year ago
What a joke that Schumi got penalized.
4balls2 1 year ago
Go Schumi!
redford1611 1 year ago
Mercedes GP has announced that it has decided to drop its appeal against the stewards' decision to hand Michael Schumacher a 20-second penalty at the end of the Monaco Grand Prix. The 7-time World Champion lost six race positions as a result of the punishment, which came after passing Fernando Alonso on the final lap.
LorenzoTav1972 1 year ago
@LorenzoTav1972
just as well, they would not have overturned that decision anyway.
froll1999 1 year ago
my dear friend ross... pLEASE READ ARTICLE 40.13...
tripmck 1 year ago
@tripmck Article 40.13 does not apply because the race did NOT finish under SC. Huge mistake of the race director and the stewards.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
@tripmck Article 40.13 does not apply because the race did NOT finish under SC. Huge mistake of the race director and the stewards.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
@tripmck Article 40.13 does not apply because the race did NOT finish under SC. Huge mistake of the race director and the stewards.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
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HFDSPG 1 year ago
@HFDSPG
40.13 "If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
I guess its how you read it but my understanding is that the SC lead the final lap and then pulled in so it must follow this rule.
FormulaOneObsessed 1 year ago
@FormulaOneObsessed How difficult is to understand that if the message "SC in this lap" is shown, SC signs are removed, yellow flags are replaced by green flags, then, the race do NOT finish under the SC.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
@HFDSPG
Surley rule 40.13 is what happened. Remember Australia 2009? The race was finished under the saftey car but it pulled in on the last lap and green flags were shown, and it "looks" like the same case here. I can't find another rule that says if the saftey car pulls in on the last lap of the race then racing is resumed...
FormulaOneObsessed 1 year ago
@FormulaOneObsessed Sorry but this is an incorrect statement. A simple search would prove that yellow flags and SC signs where displayed at the moment in which the race finished. I have sent you a PM displaying a picture of 2 SC signs and 3 yellow flags.
Lollygoggle 1 year ago
@Lollygoggle They wasn't. The FIA said in an officical Statement, the Race were on again, Green Flags, but they didn't want that. So it was a clearly misunderstand betwen the Teams and FIA.
ReLax232 1 year ago
@ReLax232 A common misconseption, this was based on the Australia 09 race in which the event finished under yellow flags & SC signs. Are you contesting this?
Lollygoggle 1 year ago
@FormulaOneObsessed Another user already gave you the answer. SC pulls in, but "SC in this lap" message is not shown and SC signs and yellow flags still on until the checkered flag.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
@tripmck Article 40.13 does not apply because the race did NOT finish under SC. Huge mistake of the race director and the stewards.
HFDSPG 1 year ago
BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
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-- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
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-- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
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-- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
Guys, Everyone needs to understand the rule (Article 40.13) a much better.
Here is the explanation. To understand clearly lets look at the rule slowely ............
It says.
Article 40.13
1."If the race ends while the safety car is deployed (so understand whats said here "while the safety car is deployed" is the sentence). 'Keep this in mind'
2. It will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap.
3. and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
adils3d 1 year ago
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@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
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@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
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@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
because posibly the damage is still on the racing surface but they don´t want the race ending with the Safety Car on it.
BlackRebel10 1 year ago
Mehrzad Marashi - Don't believe Cover
/watch?v=8NaWlbKfTTY
atzenrobby 1 year ago
Schumacher wasnt allowed to race again. If there was a safety car, drivers arent allowed to overtake until the start line. The end
AWengerdavidh18 1 year ago
@AWengerdavidh18 unfortunately they changed that start/finish line rule, listen to what is said at the start of the vid....that was a legal pass
georgy2123 1 year ago
@georgy2123 Obviously Ross is trying to make it stick...however this would only apply in case there is no ongoing SC procedure that will finish the race which means that the SC will come in the last lap (as it was communicated to the teams by race control) in order for the cars to pass the finish line...read the news, at Mercedes they already knew that they don't make a chance with their appeal...
EDB1962 1 year ago
@AWengerdavidh18 Not true, the new rule says you can overtake after you have passed the white line near the entrance of the pitlane. The way you say it, is the old rule as it was so last year :).
Zoefzoef24 1 year ago
Ross is a very intelligent man. Overall, I think Schumacher deserves his 6th place and they will win the appeal.
jamsbong 1 year ago 2
@jamsbong yea I hope that too.. but they didnt fill in the complaint yet.. damn politics always ruining things
swimmingPanzer 1 year ago
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Wer von Euch findet die Fehler ???
PataNegra00 1 year ago
Ross is absolutely right, there were green flags - means Race, and Schumi made an outstanding gift to the spectators by overtaking Alonso in the last corner, such moves add popularity to F1 and it is unacceptable to take any points of Schumi. Commitment of Bernie needed!!!
TunedVideo 1 year ago 2
@TunedVideo You are right indeed!
Then again, rule 40.13 would only be active if there weren't green flags.
This rule should let them show yellow flags instead, but they didn't, which means this rule is inactive and Schumacher did the right thing, which deserves the 6th place.
I hope that the stewards will open their eyes and see the truth.
That Damon Hill just wants to disadvantage Schumacher, because he was his biggest rival and lost the title against him in 1994 by an accident.
kevintjuh02 1 year ago
@kevintjuh02 Yeah, that's it. You are right.
Spienbest 1 year ago
Guys, Everyone needs to understand the rule (Article 40.13) a much better.
Here is the explanation. To understand clearly lets look at the rule slowely ............
It says.
Article 40.13
1."If the race ends while the safety car is deployed (so understand whats said here "while the safety car is deployed" is the sentence). 'Keep this in mind'
2. It will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap.
3. and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking."
adils3d 1 year ago
@adils3d -- BUT point 1 says the safety car has to be DEPLOYED...... BUT everyone watching the race noticed the statement which said SC in this lap (which means it is not deployed anymore). and green flags shown which means resume racing
and If It was deployed it would come into the pits and the race would contnue on yellow flags and no overtaking....BUT as the statement said SC in this lap means its not deployed any more and green flags shown which means resume racing..
adils3d 1 year ago
@adils3d -- So things done by the merceades team are right.
For the overtaking move to be invalid the FIA should'nt have made the statment
SC in this LAP.
adils3d 1 year ago
@adils3d The safety car coming in at the last lap is part of the SC procedure. Race control can not communicate this to the teams?
EDB1962 1 year ago
@EDB1962 -- THen why did it give out the message SC in this lap which always means race....
adils3d 1 year ago
@adils3d -- which means SC is not deployed ....
adils3d 1 year ago
i need a traduction in spanish. anybody knows?
richardbriz 1 year ago
@richardbriz Lo que dice Ross Brown es que a partir de este año el régimen de safety car termina en la SC Line 1 (la linea a la entrada de boxes) y a partir de alli se puede adelantar. Como en la última vuelta se informo "pista libre" y "el SC entra ahora" y además se encendieron las luces verdes les estuvo claro que en esos 400m entre SC line 1 y la meta la carrera estaba libre.
SalvatX 1 year ago
EDB, unibrow isn't anywhere near as good as you make him out to be, and he did try to race Schumacher... That's why unibrow got sideways.
digistil 1 year ago
@digistil I don't make anybody look good or bad. The rules are there to be followed. Schum's actions should be penalized because he breached the SC rules and made a potentially dangerous situation that could be avoided if he followed the rules.
EDB1962 1 year ago
@EDB1962 1/10
digistil 1 year ago
@digistil be wise and act accordingly in the debate, instead of maintaining a minimalistic dumb approach. It doesn't make you look smart...
EDB1962 1 year ago
Where on Earth is there a stop placed next to a stop light?
digistil 1 year ago
@digistil obviously you're a man of the world...and you've been to places where you have priority roads and traffic lights? what happens when these fail? right...there is a STOP sign placed BEHIND them to avoid major accidents!
EDB1962 1 year ago
@EDB1962 I can't tell if you're trolling or if you truly believe what you say.
digistil 1 year ago
Marshall post lights are normally operated by the marshalls themselves at the marshall's post just like the flags waved. The only lights 100% operated by race control are at the start finish line. Imagine that when the traffic lights that you are heading for are not working, would you drive on past them even if there is a STOP sign behind them? In this case the stop sign being the SC procedure, the traffic lights are waved lags/lights out there on the track...
EDB1962 1 year ago
Flags are by marshalls individually, and can be mistakingly incorrect, the SC procedure is by race control and communicated to the teams. Any flags out there are overruled by the ongoing SC procedure. The teams should inform their drivers correctly. Read the FIA rulebook and you'll agree. No rulebending here, just trying to smartass their way out....
EDB1962 1 year ago
@EDB1962 Not just the flags, the electronic sign board or the light also turned from yellow to green..which is clearly not controlled by the marshals..
meindranil 1 year ago
The reason that Schum should be sanctioned by the stewards is because when the SC is on track the last lap (which was the case in Monaco) the SC procedure is on. If Alonso would have raced Schum like he races his opponents on a regular basis, he would have put him in the armco, they both would have probably crashed out at one of the tightest parts of the circuit causing complete chaos to the rest of the field behind them.
EDB1962 1 year ago
SC is safety car procedure. If the race ends under SC, what happened in Monaco, the FIA rulebook for the SC procedure applies. Again, what part is not clear here? Race control merely communicated the procedure to the teams. Can't bend the rules. Brawn and Schum should have known, they are not rookies.
EDB1962 1 year ago
@EDB1962 nope. they are pros and especially Schumi likes to go full force on the rules. Both sides have good arguments here. Green flag is green flag. if the race is not resumed why wave the green flag. Even if it was said to be an ending race under the SC (hence no overtaking), after green flags were shown on the race track this decision is overruled. maybe it was a mistake to have shown the green flags. but that is not Mercedes concern. green flag= race resumed.
MWcrazyhorse 1 year ago
Alonso was told not to overtake Hamilton... he was just clever, Schumacher wasn't and he was penalized. Thats it.
kikecacique 1 year ago
YOU MUST LOOK AT THE FOOTAGE SHOWING ALONSO OVERTAKING UNDER YELLOW CONDITION IN THE TUNNEL ;-) ... all cheaters ... hahahaha
maeckie55 1 year ago
he is not above the law.
pathiasoyyo 1 year ago