Ancient Rome The Rise And Fall Of An Empire: Revolution 8

[desiderious1]

Ancient Rome serves as a warning to America about what happens when a nation becomes corrupted by special interest and greed.

The parallales between ancient Rome and modern day America are striking.

[MartianStories]

Thank you for posting these Roman Histories. I've always been fascinated by it. Subbed. keep up the good work.

[nyphix4321]

dude this is bs the senate were beat they had to cheat there way to get what they wanted and the stupid people believed them then after that all they got was nothing and a good kick up the ass and starved and had there land taken BUNCH OF IDIOTS

[Jumpingflashlight]

And that's how a republic dies; letting people have "free stuff".

Fast forward to today: State-run welfare anyone? Social Security and pensions? Debt forgiveness?

It's like the same shit that has gone down in the past is happening today after situationaly similar stimuli. WEIRD.

[ALLIED7621]

@Jumpingflashlight that why they say those who dont know history are doomed to repeat it

[Ohreallyes]

Seriously, that senator guy is like Emperor Palpatine from Star Wars. Especially the way he puts his hood on and says, "We must protect the REPUBLIC!"

[zeta1123578910]

That bad Senator is the Sith Lord with Yoda's voice.

[Vovk3]

He wants to be king! Kiiiing.

[3baxcb]

The mob wasn't all that came after the murder of Tiberius Gracchus. Generals and politicians like Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Crassus and ultimately Gaius Julius Caesar went further than Gracchus and had legions to enforce their policies upon the Senate, disregarding Roman customs and laws by enacting new ones which strengthened their own positions of power. The death of Tiberius and Gaius Gracchus could be seen as the beginning of the slow end of the Roman Republic.

[Machinetti]

KIND OF FUNNY HOW THE ROMANS ENSLAVED THE JEWS AND KILLED THEM THAN THE EGYPTIANS ENSLAVED AND KILLED THEM THAN THE GERMANS ENSLAVED AND KILLED THEM AND NOW AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE END OF THE AMERICAN EMPIRE THAT IS ENTIRELY CONTROLED BY JEWS!

[Vovk3]

@Machinetti

One of the reasons why I despise the Jews more than flies.

[Thomaspegful]

@Machinetti ok..... first of all thew jews have been enlaved/ by more than the Egyptians, Romans and Germans, throughout there history they have been enslaved/deprived, and the eygptians enslaved the jews thousands of years before Rome even existed you dumbness and yea Fuck the US

[ALLIED7621]

@Thomaspegful those who protect the jews?

[leegeorgeson]

Tiberius should have left town and said "if you want me, come find me."

[TheDavid2222]

I totally understand why Julius Caesar deposed of the senate. I know that's anti-democratic, but oh well. They were incompetent selfish tyrants anyways. I agree with Thomas Hobbes and his argument against democracy. Of course, in modern times I don't think we have a better alternative to democracy. When a great emperor is in power it is far superior to a democracy, it's just that you don't always get a great emperor, unfortunately.

[H770907]

@TheDavid2222

I agree with you. Being unable to have a great leader ALL the time is the ultimate reason, in my opinion, why all the great empires in the world never last forever.

[TheDavid2222]

@H770907 good point. Not much to argue with there.

[bingbongstar]

Could you just imagine if our Senators dragged the president out to the capital steps and started hitting him? My God! Brutal.

[3baxcb]

@bingbongstar Then they would risk be viewed in a way worse the John Wilkes Booth and Lee Harvey Oswald put together. Your modern senators would be checking for Jack Ruby wannabes in every corner and under their beds. When it comes to presidential assassinations, history repeats itself and the assassins get the full brunt. 

[lewisgunner1]

the senate are a bunch of liars and were forced out in the time of Caesar and given less power in the time of Augustus

[Scipio2021]

4:37 kingggg

[StyrbjornStarke]

Alas the eternal corruption of democracy

[arzgania]

worst interpretation of an action the Senate could have ever done

[Kazuyasan9999]

Is this from the Rome tv series?

[anmari69]

@Kazuyasan9999 No, The Rome TV series follows a different path. The series is one of the most amazing pieces of TV I have ever seen,

[Trollmaster21]

Yoda sounded like Glenn Beck screaming about liberal fascism and progressives.

[eliteviktor3]

@4:52 sith: we must protect the republic

[3baxcb]

Kinda ironic that by murdering Tiberius Gracchus to prevent reforms, other politicians decided that force or the threat of force was an acceptable means to enact new laws. If Gracchus wasn't opposed and murdered, would there have been Marius, Sulla, Pompey or Caesar?

[Schutzstaffel23]

its good to see Mattheo stuck by his promise to Tiberius

[3baxcb]

@Schutzstaffel23 Only unfortunate that Mattheo died in his efforts. Ironically the traditional senators set a new precedent in beating Tiberius Gracchus to death which was use of violence and murder to enforce laws (rather tryanical as well).

[wheelori814]

well, not much has changed between then and now has it!

[CrazyKraut20]

@wheelori814 this is one reason why i love learning about history and why i think it's relevant because

it repeats itself

[wheelori814]

@CrazyKraut20 it sure does, and will keep doing so until we get it right!

[wheelori814]

yoda looks like the grim reaper when he puts his robe over his head.

[antropopellazgu]

This is the end Tiberus" reform will continue by his brother Gaius.

[arzgania]

how the fuck did a group of McCains get past Mattheo?

[Schutzstaffel23]

@arzgania mccain is a rep. they were democrats.

[3baxcb]

@Schutzstaffel23 Well using clubs on a unarmed man would make them feel a little braver. The later popular leaders decided armed men including legionaries were better to keep the Senators (McCains) in check.

[Schutzstaffel23]

@3baxcb was this comment for someone else? because i dont know why you're telling me this lol.

[3baxcb]

@Schutzstaffel23 I believe I was refering to @arzgania. His comparison with Roman politicians and American politicians is almost funny if he didn't overlook the fact that the Mccains he described the Optimates murdered an elected official rather than have him gain office as Tribune of the Plebs a second time. What it did was assure that changes to the Republic couldn't happen unless one wielded and even use force to enact new laws which further undermined the Roman Republic.

[Schutzstaffel23]

@3baxcb ahh yes indeed. its almost as the republic ruined the republic becuase of their own greed for power and etc. this video has good conversation on it.

[3baxcb]

@Schutzstaffel23 And 100 years after Tiberius Gracchus' death, the Roman Republic became the Roman Empire. The Old Guard of the Senate lost power to Octavian and his legions, making Gracchus look like Solon, the founder of Athenian democracy.

[BartRamone]

It is not so different from nowadays. a lot of slaves and and alot of orgies.

[ImperatorDominus]

The senators remind me of the republicans.... can any one guess why?

[Razza1941]

@ImperatorDominus Oh Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo, Boo Hoo! Ya need to read the Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire by Edward Gibbons. This is produced by the British who think the United States are baby killers. Get over yourself.

[Panax07]

@ImperatorDominus The Senators remind my of Congress...can anyone guess why?

[SocratesTheGadfly]

@ImperatorDominus actually the ancient roman senators were demoncrats! obsessed with the lust for power and control over everything and everyone.

[3baxcb]

@ImperatorDominus Their willingness to disregard the law while at the same time proclaiming their allegiance to law and order? Fortunately Republicans have enough members that would find it risky to murder Democrats over passing reforms for displaced war veterans. And other soldiers or would-be volunteers would wonder if they should risk life and limb for a state that left them in the streets afterwards. Gracchus saw that early and would have prevented generals from doing those reforms.

[JamSamJackx]

Now Young Jedi,,,,,,You will die.....

[rahya2008]

Where was CNN when this happened?? This is major headline on the 9:00 o'clock news!!

[samson4474]

And I thought today's politics were bad.

[TheIcelandicPatriot]

FOR ROME!!

[ahmedeox]

When exactly was Rome a democracy? The movie depicts it as an oligarchy. 

[dallas998]

@ahmedeox Even the Greeks, who are credited with pioneering democracy, were pretty much an oligarchy. I guess the idea of democracy the way we understand it is the result of many generations of the concept. Even today the disgruntled Left will argue to the death that Western civilization is a corrupt and repressive oligarchy (compared to WHAT... go figure??) and even today it's far from the utopian ideal. Then again, our politicians don't murder their rivals in public.

[wood1155]

@ahmedeox not a democracy a republic

[jaman76]

who knew there were sith lords in Antiquity

[Stefos71]

Tiberius Gracchus, was the MAN, if this is an accurate portrayal of the man.

Down with corruption!

[Stefos71]

I've gotta say that the DAMN Senate was corrupt.

Gracchus was right, IF he upheld the truth.

Nuff said!

[Strefanash]

no mention of his younger brother, Gaius Gracchus, who tried the same thing 10 years later. Cornelia was the mother of the Gracchi (plural)

[HungPastor]

FUCK OBAMA

[fruitikay]

Tiberius reminds me of a winy little bitch.

[PROSTATHS]

Obama is a coward...fuck Obama.

[jamaicanification]

this is definetly like obama. Just like how the senate got the roman people to believe that grachuss was some obcurantist radical who is trying to re-install a monarchy, the republicans have tricked the gullible american public that obama is some sort of socialist

[telephilia]

It's the Gracchi (plural). Where is Tiberius's brother Caius?

[Dirkhrod]

And so must perish all who out of frustration and envy seek to destroy tradition and civilization and hand over power to the masses only to see their betters brought low. From Gracchus to Che, there are no worse men but the elites who sell their own peers for the sake of the adulation of the masses. Being beaten to a pulp is too easy a death for a populist demagogue.

[Dirkhrod]

And so must perish all who out of frustration and envy seek to destroy tradition and civilization and hand over power to the masses only to see their betters brought low. From Gracchus to Che, there are no worse men but the elites who sell their own peers for the sake of the adulation of the masses. Being beaten to a pulp is too easy a death for a populist demagogue.

[CoreyStudios2000]

Tiberius= Obama

Senate= Greedy corrupt republicans

[lou4brew]

@CoreyStudios2000

You mean the Obama who stacked his administration with Wall Street Bankers? riiiiiiiiiight

[CoreyStudios2000]

@lou4brew trust me my man, the republicans are getting really jealous of Obama. I'm pretty sure that the Republicans want their power back.

[msquestionmark]

his father-in-law reminds of Ron Paul and that sleazy senator reminds of David Rockefeller.

[machiavellick]

If it was me in that place, i would tear apart this sleazy senator bustard! I would Bend him over directly on the forum and ....

[MoveOverCasanova]

that she said "i wanna be known as tiberius´ mother" relly stuck to her - that happens when you take people´s moody chatting for words written in stone ))

[funkyalfonso]

Roman history is fascinating. Pity this is such a load of pants.

[lgrules1998]

i cried wen tibirius got beat up..!!!!!! it was so freaken sad..!!yoda guy should die!!!

[yuigu]

they died Tiberius, they died Jezus(part of), they died caesar, that is even stupider then americans

[GodmyX]

@yuigu 'they died' ? LOL.. learn english you stupid m*th*rf*cker and don't spit on Romans.

[ShadowTempest42]

can some1 please tell me how a group of old inactive wheezer-asses managed to overpower a mob and get to gracchus?

[baybarsedturner]

@ShadowTempest42 I think that they had their own sizable mob to do their bidding, but apparently several of the senators did in fact personally participate in the lynching which is why it was shown like it was.

[ladams14640]

This was not entirely accurate... in a sense it really misleads people into believing Tiberius was a good person. They never mention his brother and what his brother did, which was set a higher precedent. They made his mom (whom had 2 sons and 1 daughter) out to be some shrewd... Alot of theories have surmised around limited facts about the Gracchi brothers but this documentary just sticks to a string of particular ones that really do not do the history justice in an objective stance.

[ladams14640]

This was not entirely accurate... in a sense it really misleads people into believing Tiberius was a good person. They never mention his brother and what his brother did, which was set a higher precedent. They made their mom out to be some shrewd... Alot of theories have surmised about the Gracchi brothers but these documentary just sticks to just 1 and they misconstrue events...

[steveharrismetalgod]

how ironic that bitch came to be revered as the ideal of roman motherhood while she was the one who virtually destroyed her son-all he ever did that led to his utter demise was only to please her...she didn't have any real ideals/principals,she only wanted power,fame and glory for herself and family through her son...

[TheHinn180]

@steveharrismetalgod

ugh

[Skadoosh417]

Wait sorry, did the senators kill him on any grounds other than jealousy?

[bushman77]

he was an early version of caesar, only caesar was cunning. caesar had his legions to keep the senate in check and gold from gaul to keep the plebs on his side.

[3baxcb]

@bushman77 And after Caesar, the Roman Republic was gone in all but name. He supplied his legions, gave them very good pay and lands which meant they were loyal to him and not the Senate and People of Rome. Gracchus would appear restrained and moderate in comparison to that. If those senators knew that killing Gracchus would led to generals like Caesar making a loyal army and rendering the Senate powerless, would they still kill him? 100 years after Gracchus' death the Republic was finished.

[paratrooper6]

lol I can just imagine all the Liberals ganging up and killing K Rudd just like this.

[FearAcademy]

What right does he have? The right of MIGHT. MIGHT makes RIGHT

[seppomuppit]

historically inaccurate beyond belief

[pu186]

@seppomuppit yeah. i was wondering about that. for one, didn't he have a brother?

[AlexOfMacedonAOMH]

in fact he had many brothers, I think his mother had like 8 sons/daughters. However they didn't show them. At first when I saw this episode I thought it was innacurate, but I looked up on wikipedia and in fact everything they say is true, even though they might exagerate when they say he changed Rome forever.

[8lsatyq]

rome was a mob to big for its own sake, too ambitious, too lazy too greedy. Its total collapse was ineveitable unfortunately it took alot of people with em-to the grave. It was built on betrayal, civil war, slaves and blood and ended in blood even though its technological advances weren't seen again till modern days. Rome was lik a fat man too obese to even walk on his own

[BDeiste]

Demagogs and manipulators looking for their self interest from the senate or parliaments are nothing new and History repeats itself. Thtas why a good education about history helps to make wiser choices

[tjvistan85waver]

Tiberius is indeed fair - in a sense. For his young age, he has so much ideas for Rome and also too brave to face them.

[imperatorcaesar100]

There should have been a man who had command of a legion, and rode into rome, to massacre the members of the roman senate, who murdered, and/or supported the murder of tiberiius, and gaius gracchus. these senators wre totally self centered, They would have killed each other for more power.

[Finn001abd]

imperatorcaesar100: You know the funny thing is that when the civil war had ended and the people were defeated by the rich. They murdered the leaders of the populist party and their close family. Only one 18 year old young man survived. And his name was: Gaius Julius Caesar.

This is why the senator's wanted Caesar dead and this is why Caesar rode to Rome to get revenge. Caesar's actions start to make a whole lot more sense when you know the whole story.

[callumx123]

troll

[Track14]

this is when the roman republic died, romans turning on themselves to preserve the status quo

[Track14]

white privilege

[Nimnoms]

No mention of Gaius Gracchus?

[canadarox14]

Yeah, I was wondering about that too. The poor guy, he died and everything, just like his brother, and he doesn't even get a passing mention.

[Angrywritergrrrl]

i wish a mob could kill george W. bush. that would be true justice.

[Vashviii]

Ffs,. Tiberius would of been so kool if he didn't die like that.

[Kaiserhawk]

Do roman senators keep clubs with them at all times for such occasions?

[canadarox14]

If I was a Roman Senator, I would. That job had a high mortality rate.

[Mithan415]

4:40 He wants to be King. Kiiiiiiiinnnngggggg!

[spartandroog]

LOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

I was going to say that!!!

[3baxcb]

@Mithan415 And the program says that senator died in exile. Guess instigating murder of a fellow Roman didn't turn out so well for him.

[BlackCerberous]

yoda change to palpatine at 4:45

[barcoxx]

@BlackCerberous :)

[bklynbroker]

@BlackCerberous LOL.

[KingoftheGods123]

man senators back then were violent

[Adamalgorithm]

not just back then. Have you seen fights in parliaments around the world? All on TV and very entertaining.

[d89gr]

KIIIIING

[crackshack2]

you think these people would communicate

[alexander33345]

I love roman history, i always think in star wars while studying it

[steveharrismetalgod]

well,hehe!that's no coincidence-george lucas borrowed many ideas for his''galactic senate/republic'' from ancient roman history/politics

[sweAndreasFilm]

@alexander33345 becuse the man that dide star wars (George Lucas) take stuffs from roman history and remake it a bit so its star wars!

[JIMY45GR]

even oratius  have written in greek

[crowfreak77]

The Gracchi had started the idea that a leader should always be 'FOR the people and BY the people'. Julius Caesar knew this and won the love of the people first before overthrowing the Senate. It is only sad that Caesar had to die, much like Gracchus, for people to understand that people need one leader to unite them, not abuse them

[revengeofcleveland]

The populares wanted to strengthen the power of the plebs, sharing riches of the nobility with the people, giving away goods such as bread to the poor, and limiting slavery, since slavery took jobs from poor free citizens.

[revengeofcleveland]

Although the words "anarchist", "socialist" and "communist" did not exist in Babeuf's lifetime, they have both been used to describe his ideas, by later scholars. The word "communism" was coined by Goodwyn Barmby in a conversation with those he described as the "disciples of Babeuf".

[revengeofcleveland]

François-Noël Babeuf (November 23, 1760 - May 27, 1797), known as Gracchus Babeuf (in tribute to the Roman reformers, the Gracchi, and used alongside his self-designation as Tribune), was a French political agitator and journalist of the Revolutionary period. In spite of the efforts of his Jacobin friends to save him, Babeuf was arrested, tried, and convicted for his role in the Conspiracy of the Equals.

[tai006]

minus the fact that mark antony and Octavaian were not dictators. Mark Antony never held power over Rome but okay.

[FearAcademy]

It took the best of the dictators (Ceasar, Mark Anthony, Octavian) to destroy the Senate and usher an age of Emperors

[ScipioPokerus]

think jeopardy with my response to Fearacademy............

What is an innacurate, superficial, 9 year old's summation of the end of the Roman Republic?

[TurbaTaT]

This always happens, human beings are stupid. They never give power to those who can lead honourably, and with the good of the people in mind. They are so easily fooled by the pwer hungry, those who care nothing for them. And then they complain.

[cartier117]

funny how today the same thing is on going

[kelscri]

good for those bastard senator there get what there dissever in the end when you piss people off to much you might get hunt always use your head an heard the voice of the people so there can make a better place for anyone

[Alversia]

Does anyone know what the song used in the title and the credits is called?

[antonyvt]

yeah the theme and music,is from the london p.o. go to the bbc music site,for more inf, hope this was helpful.

[d89gr]

Why do we always hear of this great Roman Republic/Empire. They say a light went out on the world with the fall of the Roman Empire, but all I see is a light turned on. The true weakness of the Roman Empire was shown, deceipt was out in the open rather than hidden inside the Senate.

[stephantom1]

That's probably because after the Roman Empire fell, then all their technological, medical and scientific knowledge went with them also. After that Europe's inhabitants became ignorant and devoted to the Church holding on to silly superstitions. Rome truly was the greatest Ancient Empire in the world.

[AemiliaPaulla]

After the Roman Empire, deceit was hidden in the bowels of the Catholic Church. And unlike the Senate or any Roman Emperor, the Popes proclaimed themselves the representatives of God on Earth. Rome was by far a lesser evil in comparison to an organization whose every action was self-proclaimed to be divinely mandated.

[aeonflux67]

poor grachus. What a mob of stupid selfish bastards the Roman senate was. Good that it became a worthless pile of dung - just a pity the Emperors - some at least - were often just bigger piles of dung.

[aeonflux67]

And the senate deserved to be quashed in the end by ruthless Emperors. Clubbing and killing (Grachus/Clodius/Caesar etc etc). It was too big and too stupid for its own boots.

[EdwardMerriman360]

Looks as though politics hasn't changed much since the Roman times.

With democracy being the greatest disappointment in life not bringing its guaranteed goods our world looks for a great leader. THE DICTATORSHIP.

[d89gr]

That's what we need. A man who knows what has to be done, without intervention from the corrupt democracy. A man who will take over and drag us to the next level rather than try to convince us. Oh well...

[EdwardMerriman360]

I suppose so but if we are to revert to ancient times of dictatorship then we must pray for a benevolent dictator.

[kingsman565]

As I watched this I just got an image in my head of Gorge Bush, Chaney and a bunch of senitors in suits beating the shit out of some guy LOL!

[blwalla]

a bunch of senators and some guys should beat the shit out of george bush and cheney if you ask me.

[kingsman565]

One day me friend.

[RightCitizen]

The Senate probably really believe that Tiberius wanted to be king, because it is almost impossible not to believe what you want to believe.

[Plotinus2112]

The senate ultimately killed themselves though, it paved the way for marius, sulla and then ceasar by making the people more loyal to their generals then to Rome

[3baxcb]

@Plotinus2112 Marius made a reformed army that followed him and not the Senate. Sulla went further by marching on Rome, murdering thousands without trial and enriching himself and supporter like Crassus and Pompey. He did try to make the army obedient to the Senate but ultimately failed. Caesar went further than that and won the appeal of most people alongside his legions so his violent death meant the traditional senators lost any control left and were labelled as opportunistic murderers.

[coldicedrat]

The Senate completely misunderstood the head signal that Tiberius used. I wonder why the Senators were never stopped by Tiberius' supporters though. There were thousands of them. That's thousands against a handful of mainly old an useless senators. His bodyguard was killed in the attempt, but where were his supporters?

[Plotinus2112]

That's how governments have always controlled though, they are order and the mob is chaos.

[coldicedrat]

I know you might say quality over quantity, but there were thousands of Tiberius supporters there, why didn't they force the guards to move? Why did they let THE SENATORS, of all people, to kill Tiberius themselves?

[56bloodhorn]

fear of reprisal and fear to be outcast among your own people

[coldicedrat]

Yeah but, if I am correct, over half of Rome supported Tiberius!!

[56bloodhorn]

yeah well shit happens lol ;)...as history has taught us..intervention comes when it's too late!

[AemiliaPaulla]

I had always heard the Tiberius Gracchus was murdered in his own home. Perhaps that explains the lack of intervention?

[coldicedrat]

I guess... is that historically accurate, though? From what I've heard, the soldiers blocked off the supporters (who were rioting in a very violent manner) and the Senators, quite literally, absolutely slaughtered Gracchus.

[klaifth]

because they knew if they touched a senator they would die

[coldicedrat]

If a city riots, only a garrison with an army occupying it can stop it. Some may have died, but the crowd would have crushed the feeble resistance.

[jemmer100]

Gaius isn't the only one not mentioned in this movie. This thing goes straight from Tiberius Gracchus to Constantine in the next episode, apparently.  Quite a leap, like going from William the Conqueror to Winston Churchill without mentioning anything about what happened in between.

[coldicedrat]

I understand the comparison and your exaggeration, but not including Gaius Gracchus is certainly not like skipping from William The Conqueror to Winston Churchill. Don't forget what the name of the series is: Ancient Rome - The Rise And Fall Of An Empire. It's to show the key events as to how Rome rose to power, what happened when it reached it's zenith and what caused the fall of the Empire. I'll admit to something a little irrelevant: the last episode ended without all the details included.

[56bloodhorn]

sulla isn't mentioned either...that was a critical point in roman history..especially for gaius julius caesar

[coldicedrat]

Good point... nobody is getting it spot on nowadays :P.

[vince117]

Why is there not a single word about Gaius Gracchus, Tiberius' brother, in this movie?