No honest and sane person could suggest the very same skilled exploiting occupying western powers should be responsible for bringing compassion, democracy, peace, security, and prosperity to Tibet and China.
If Tibetan intellectuals, Tibetans, and China have no rights to bring prosperity, equality, and freedom to Tibet and reunite and forge a stronger and better union (A. Lincoln) under a New China and even after a bilaterally negotiated and accepted reunification and nation-building agreement between the two governments in 1951, then the "'dirty" colonizing western powers crossing oceans n continents n w/o centuries of priest-patron n suzerainty relationship have even less legal n moral obligation.
people like you fall under the same category as holocaust deniers who pretend to be impartial but whom we know to be either delusional or neo nazis with an agenda..
its a shame really because if they had chosen to fight back china would have returned to its own borders by now with its tail between its legs..but i blame the western powers more than anyone who chose to ignore Tibet's plight and who were a great deal responsible for what happened and who continue to reward a dirty regime by doing business with them which is no doubt where you are coming from...the only westerners who praise china are businessmen with a vested interest
well i could take you through the history and counter your stupid statements with some hard facts and logic..but im not going to waste my time..Romantasizing Tibetans is not necessary in order to know that china has no right to it and that it continues to rape and oppress Tibetans. Be that as it may,after 60 years compared to other cultures that have been oppressed and taken over, we can safely say that Tibetans have chosen the non violent approach.
You bet there is nothing romantic about lies, betrayal, selective re-presentation, and fictionalization of historical events and hard facts in academia, films, and media.
Even if the 19th-20th century territorial dismemberment and economic vassalage of China, the Tibetan resistance against 2 British massacres of Tibetans (and thefts of Tibetan relics) and expeditions/invasions of Tibetan homeland in 1888 and 1903, and a half a century of bloody reactionary anti-Qing, anti-Manchu,
anti-corruption, and anti-foreign rebellions and failed imperial reforms that lead to the 1911 republican revolution had never happened, you couldnt accept your own non-resistant occupied tyrant Chinese occupier and non-violent western liberators pseudo debate and perversion of truth to be rational or historical.
How so and what for? I live in the land of the free and have lived in two pro-democracy pro-American pro-freedom of speech anti-communist countries, yet I have had great difficulties accessing credible independently corroborated primary sourced historical records on the Internet outside of the commissioned independent and Hollywood docu-dramas and political art films corporatist news media and MI6-CIA-NED-NGO academia and humanitarian interventionists militarized psyops machinery.
When Tibetans fluent in very different Sino-Tibeto-Burman or Romance and Germanic languages with different literacy and education levels, monetary means, socio-economic status, lifestyles, tribal customs, and Tibetan religious and political convictions stigmatize, persecute, falsely imprison, torture, mutilate, exploit, and even murder one another in Old Tibet, in exile, and in China, which Tibetan would be the Tibetan people you love and find resilient?
After surveying the political history China in the last three centuries, I cried for days when I found out the Hollywood and mainstream distributed news narratives and simplistic dichotomies of oppressed non-violent compassionate Tibetan Buddhists and the evil communists do not exist. Practitioners of vipassana, filmmakers, scientists and rationalists, and conflict resolution psychologists would be familiar with the dynamic of power of beliefs and the cycle of conflict.
Just as there are rabbis who do not support the State of Israel (or the existence of) on religious, moral, and legal grounds, there are well-informed ethnic Tibetans, British, Swiss, Americans, and people around the world who do not and cannot support the Free Tibet deception.
I can't finish the video! This is pure nonsense and cold war propaganda n lies. Tibetan intellectuals, leaders, nobility, and lamas along with Chinese intellectuals already freed Tibet from tyrannies of imperialist aggressions n invasions, unequal caste/class distinctions, generational poverty and servitude, and cruel and unusal punishment in 1951. There are Tibetan legislators and lawmakers in China now. Tibetans are as Chinese as the English, Scotts, Welsh, and the Irish are British.
Because of socialists ideals and China, Tibetans do not have the colonized or the persecution legacy of the American Indians, the Jews, or the Palestinians.
Judaism and Chinese Jews had a long history beginning in old dynastic China. Even though Indian and Iraqi Jews were involved in the First Opium War, China still accepted many Jewish refugees from the Russian Revolution in 1917 and then the Holocaust in Europe in the 1930-40s.
The struggle of Tibet is not about freedom, it is about culture.
It is about some in an ethnic minority wanting to isolate their children to the majority's influence. It centers on the "We are here first" mentality. If such a minority mentality becomes a right that has to be supported by concrete and concerted international effort, then a lot of countries, certainly including the USA, will face immense problem.
Nations are defined by international recognition. what else?
The peoples of China suffered injustice, brutalities through wars and revolutions- not only the Tibetans. Survey historical military maps and study the history of Tibet and China and trade-peace treaties made from 1900-1959 from multiple sources and international laws. One can only come to the conclusion that there is no occupation in Tibet. And even if there was, China did it within her political and territorial sovereignty.
Do not forget many fellow Tibetans and Chinese collaborated and lost their lives in emancipating themselves or others from the oppressive caste system of old Tibet to have socio-economic justice and civil liberties. Do not harm the innocent businesses, the religious and ethnic minorities, and Tibetans in Tibet by creating ethnic discord, falsehood, and violence. Do no participate in the two-faced CIA-sponsored saffron revolution.
What sovereignty has not the justification to take action when threatened or faced with subversive activities and armed foreign-sponsored insurrections? Only the ignorant and the unjust have reasons to divide and conquer. The Chinese ways of seeking mutual benefits and harmony without domination or avoid provocation are consistent with the ways of the Buddha, who was against the Hindu caste system.
Do all the peoples of China and Tibet not deserve peace and justice? Are they not your brothers and sisters? Or are they mere objects of racial, economic, and political hatred for the brotherhood and sisterhood of the CIA-National Endowment for Democracy funded Tibetan oligarchy in exile, the misinformed, the unjust, and the uninformed?
Precisely. No superior, genuine, and just cause would be advocating violence and hatred in the comfort of Switzerland or needing to nuke the disadvantaged or the poor that democratized Tibetan Buddhism, reduced Tibetan border and sectarian violence, uplifted Tibetans for literacy, economic advancement, and the stewardship of Tibetan cultural diversity and unified China especially one that is worthy of only 50 cents n a fake to instigate proxy wars
to illegally settle Tibets legal status by force internationally, nuclear or otherwise, that was settled peacefully and legally between Tibet and Modern China in 1951 just as the 26 Cantons of Swiss republic did in merging their religious and economic interests.
@ipolarsky Tibet is a country. To see why * Tibet did not become part of China during the Mongol Yuan Dynasty and Relations Between The Dalai Lamas of Tibet and the Manchu Qing Dynasty do not show that Tibet was Part Of China please go to tibetjustice. org/reports/sovereignty/ independent/c/index.html (remove spaces) * Why did China sign the 1951 17 point agreement with Tibet ?? To make the INVASION of Tibet easier.
IzabellasHope,
No honest and sane person could suggest the very same skilled exploiting occupying western powers should be responsible for bringing compassion, democracy, peace, security, and prosperity to Tibet and China.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
If Tibetan intellectuals, Tibetans, and China have no rights to bring prosperity, equality, and freedom to Tibet and reunite and forge a stronger and better union (A. Lincoln) under a New China and even after a bilaterally negotiated and accepted reunification and nation-building agreement between the two governments in 1951, then the "'dirty" colonizing western powers crossing oceans n continents n w/o centuries of priest-patron n suzerainty relationship have even less legal n moral obligation.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
people like you fall under the same category as holocaust deniers who pretend to be impartial but whom we know to be either delusional or neo nazis with an agenda..
IzabellasHope 2 years ago
i have no interest in a pseudo debate with someone who is a pseudo observer...
IzabellasHope 2 years ago
its a shame really because if they had chosen to fight back china would have returned to its own borders by now with its tail between its legs..but i blame the western powers more than anyone who chose to ignore Tibet's plight and who were a great deal responsible for what happened and who continue to reward a dirty regime by doing business with them which is no doubt where you are coming from...the only westerners who praise china are businessmen with a vested interest
IzabellasHope 2 years ago
well i could take you through the history and counter your stupid statements with some hard facts and logic..but im not going to waste my time..Romantasizing Tibetans is not necessary in order to know that china has no right to it and that it continues to rape and oppress Tibetans. Be that as it may,after 60 years compared to other cultures that have been oppressed and taken over, we can safely say that Tibetans have chosen the non violent approach.
IzabellasHope 2 years ago
You bet there is nothing romantic about lies, betrayal, selective re-presentation, and fictionalization of historical events and hard facts in academia, films, and media.
Even if the 19th-20th century territorial dismemberment and economic vassalage of China, the Tibetan resistance against 2 British massacres of Tibetans (and thefts of Tibetan relics) and expeditions/invasions of Tibetan homeland in 1888 and 1903, and a half a century of bloody reactionary anti-Qing, anti-Manchu,
ipolarsky 2 years ago
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anti-corruption, and anti-foreign rebellions and failed imperial reforms that lead to the 1911 republican revolution had never happened, you couldnt accept your own non-resistant occupied tyrant Chinese occupier and non-violent western liberators pseudo debate and perversion of truth to be rational or historical.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
Tibetans not persecuted?
IzabellasHope 2 years ago
How so and what for? I live in the land of the free and have lived in two pro-democracy pro-American pro-freedom of speech anti-communist countries, yet I have had great difficulties accessing credible independently corroborated primary sourced historical records on the Internet outside of the commissioned independent and Hollywood docu-dramas and political art films corporatist news media and MI6-CIA-NED-NGO academia and humanitarian interventionists militarized psyops machinery.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
When Tibetans fluent in very different Sino-Tibeto-Burman or Romance and Germanic languages with different literacy and education levels, monetary means, socio-economic status, lifestyles, tribal customs, and Tibetan religious and political convictions stigmatize, persecute, falsely imprison, torture, mutilate, exploit, and even murder one another in Old Tibet, in exile, and in China, which Tibetan would be the Tibetan people you love and find resilient?
ipolarsky 2 years ago
After surveying the political history China in the last three centuries, I cried for days when I found out the Hollywood and mainstream distributed news narratives and simplistic dichotomies of oppressed non-violent compassionate Tibetan Buddhists and the evil communists do not exist. Practitioners of vipassana, filmmakers, scientists and rationalists, and conflict resolution psychologists would be familiar with the dynamic of power of beliefs and the cycle of conflict.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
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Just as there are rabbis who do not support the State of Israel (or the existence of) on religious, moral, and legal grounds, there are well-informed ethnic Tibetans, British, Swiss, Americans, and people around the world who do not and cannot support the Free Tibet deception.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
I can't finish the video! This is pure nonsense and cold war propaganda n lies. Tibetan intellectuals, leaders, nobility, and lamas along with Chinese intellectuals already freed Tibet from tyrannies of imperialist aggressions n invasions, unequal caste/class distinctions, generational poverty and servitude, and cruel and unusal punishment in 1951. There are Tibetan legislators and lawmakers in China now. Tibetans are as Chinese as the English, Scotts, Welsh, and the Irish are British.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
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ipolarsky 2 years ago
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ipolarsky 2 years ago
I love the Tibetan people..so resiliant..May Tibet be Free!
IzabellasHope 2 years ago
Urban Chinese in China don't want to live in polluted cities and to be treated as 2nd class citizens in China.
Rural Chinese don't want to be treated as 3rd class citizens in China.
Tibetans, Uighurs, Mongolians, Taiwanese, Sudanese and Burmese don't want the evil communist party either.
The World will be free of the corrupt communist party of china.
ChinaKillsTibetans 2 years ago
Izabellashope,
Because of socialists ideals and China, Tibetans do not have the colonized or the persecution legacy of the American Indians, the Jews, or the Palestinians.
Judaism and Chinese Jews had a long history beginning in old dynastic China. Even though Indian and Iraqi Jews were involved in the First Opium War, China still accepted many Jewish refugees from the Russian Revolution in 1917 and then the Holocaust in Europe in the 1930-40s.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
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The struggle of Tibet is not about freedom, it is about culture.
It is about some in an ethnic minority wanting to isolate their children to the majority's influence. It centers on the "We are here first" mentality. If such a minority mentality becomes a right that has to be supported by concrete and concerted international effort, then a lot of countries, certainly including the USA, will face immense problem.
Nations are defined by international recognition. what else?
betalover1 2 years ago
No - 50 Cent blogger you are wrong, you can not compare USA and cruel CCP !
Ganeschar 2 years ago
The peoples of China suffered injustice, brutalities through wars and revolutions- not only the Tibetans. Survey historical military maps and study the history of Tibet and China and trade-peace treaties made from 1900-1959 from multiple sources and international laws. One can only come to the conclusion that there is no occupation in Tibet. And even if there was, China did it within her political and territorial sovereignty.
ipolarsky 3 years ago
[1]
Do not forget many fellow Tibetans and Chinese collaborated and lost their lives in emancipating themselves or others from the oppressive caste system of old Tibet to have socio-economic justice and civil liberties. Do not harm the innocent businesses, the religious and ethnic minorities, and Tibetans in Tibet by creating ethnic discord, falsehood, and violence. Do no participate in the two-faced CIA-sponsored saffron revolution.
ipolarsky 3 years ago
[2]
What sovereignty has not the justification to take action when threatened or faced with subversive activities and armed foreign-sponsored insurrections? Only the ignorant and the unjust have reasons to divide and conquer. The Chinese ways of seeking mutual benefits and harmony without domination or avoid provocation are consistent with the ways of the Buddha, who was against the Hindu caste system.
ipolarsky 3 years ago
Do all the peoples of China and Tibet not deserve peace and justice? Are they not your brothers and sisters? Or are they mere objects of racial, economic, and political hatred for the brotherhood and sisterhood of the CIA-National Endowment for Democracy funded Tibetan oligarchy in exile, the misinformed, the unjust, and the uninformed?
ipolarsky 3 years ago
I canot be kind to those denial Chinese anymore
Ganeschar 2 years ago
Do study the real sources 50 Cents blogger!
If china suffered it is domestic issue, Japna should have nuked you !
Ganeschar 2 years ago
You just revealed your own emotional and intellectual dishonesty and unjust cause by your comments and have lost millions of potential supporters.
ipolarsky 2 years ago 2
You revealed your hypocrisy ! We don't need 50 cents fake like you !
Ganeschar 2 years ago
Who are we and who are you?! If you are worth more than 50 cents, shouldn't be champion for the poor, the exploited, and the defendless?
ipolarsky 2 years ago
blabla blabla blabla
Ganeschar 2 years ago
Precisely. No superior, genuine, and just cause would be advocating violence and hatred in the comfort of Switzerland or needing to nuke the disadvantaged or the poor that democratized Tibetan Buddhism, reduced Tibetan border and sectarian violence, uplifted Tibetans for literacy, economic advancement, and the stewardship of Tibetan cultural diversity and unified China especially one that is worthy of only 50 cents n a fake to instigate proxy wars
ipolarsky 2 years ago
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to illegally settle Tibets legal status by force internationally, nuclear or otherwise, that was settled peacefully and legally between Tibet and Modern China in 1951 just as the 26 Cantons of Swiss republic did in merging their religious and economic interests.
ipolarsky 2 years ago
FreeTibetandChina 10 months ago
powerful
LinaMariaGiraldo 3 years ago