Russell Pearce on Why the 14th Amendment Bars "Anchor Babies"

[demonflayme6]

Mormons like Russell Pearce and Mitt RobbedMe are smelly people that prove Mormons at-large cannot be trusted. They are also pedophiles like FDLS pastor Warren Jeffs with his 65 wives under the age of two. As a pastor from The Church of Ron Paul, I call on all my followers to burn the Book of Mormon. Burn the Book of Mormon. Burn the Book of Mormon.Burn the Book of Mormon. BURN THE BOOK OF MORMON. BURN THE BOOK OF MORMON.BURN THE BOOK OF MORMON.BURN THE BOOK OF MORMON.BURN THE BOOK OF MORMON!!!!

[HAL9000Intelligence]

Framers of the14th added a CONDITIONAL CLAUSE"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"AFTER"born or naturalized" assumed that persons MUST HAVE a Legitimate&Legal Presence in theUS as A CONDITION TO BE QUALIFIED to receive Citizenship after being Born OR Naturalized in the US&a child born QUALIFIES to receive Citizenship ON CONDITION of thePARENTS being underOFFICIAL US Jurisdiction RESULTING FROM Legitimate&Legal Presence in the US&NOT as Foreign Nation Citizens illegitimately&illegally Present

[libertybelle2008]

Russell We fully support you in the rest of the districts in AZ even if your own happened to fall short of doing what was right.

[lovecarlalove]

Recall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!! hes out

[luisoncln]

oh yeah boy , my brother fought in vietnam, hes disabled now, hes mexican, and i have to show my papers?

[albertoiscool11]

"i have a dream " that one day a man russel pearce will die slowly and in pain hahaha

[DocRocz]

Mark down July 8th as a day history was made in Arizona.

In a swift affirmation of Arizona's fast-growing and powerful new political movement, Secretary of State Ken Bennett notified Gov. Jan Brewer that the once seemingly invincible architect of the state's controversial SB 1070 "papers please" immigration law has officially been recalled.

[falcon2160]

Lady, he won the argument. Some say he "bitched slapped you badly."

[hayden50]

Russell Pearce basically bitch slapped the liberal news cunt.

[falcon2160]

@hayden50 : Yup.

[hayden50]

no amnesty for illegals, period.....

[crlchs]

Russell Pearce is a true American -- and I'd vote for him as president of the United States. The man is one of the few patriots left -- honestly, if Paul Revere knew what the country was going to be like today, he would have stayed home.

[ArizonaSean]

And the tea party here in AZ love this guy. So much for the Constitution.

[lvll138inrs]

america wonders why their country is falling apart. its because they care more about foreighn citizens then they do about their own citizens.

[parkerboggs89]

hopefully they will pass this

[albertoiscool11]

@parkerboggs89 hahah in your dreams

[TheMgalind]

this guy is on crack

[HAL9000Intelligence]

"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"is a conditional clause in NO uncertain terms.Conditional1.containing,­implying,subject to,dependent on a condition or conditions;to be qualified;NOT absolute;as,a conditional award.2.expressing a condition;as,a conditional clause.The conditional clause"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"means certain conditions must be met regardless if the person is born or naturalized in the US,requiring to be born from LEGAL US Citizens with NO Foreign Citizenship

[HAL9000Intelligence]

But the14th Amendment does NOT say that because the Framers of the14th Amendment INSTEAD wrote the14th Amendment as "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside".This phrase has a completely different meaning, defintition & intent than if the clause "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was completely omitted & missing from the14th Amendment. US Citizenship is Conditional

[HAL9000Intelligence]

If the Framers of the14th Amendment had intended that ALL persons born or naturalized in the US are citizens of the US, then the Framers of the14th would have made it very simple,100% explicitly clear with NO conditions or doubts of any type & written the14th Amendment exactly stated as "All persons born or naturalized in the United States are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside". Now that's a totally & completely clear statement with NO conditions or doubts at all

[iinveiin]

There is no such a thing as an "anchor baby". That falls on the pretense that undocumented immigrants can stay in the country or somehow become legal if they have a baby who is born here and is automatically a U.S.. That is FALSE. Look it up. There is no immigration law that will grant you legal status is your child is born in the U.S. So why are these idiots trying to repeal the 14th amendment? So why are these idiots trying to repeal the 14th amendment??? Exactly. Draw your own conclusions.

[Infinity161]

God forbid we stop allowing citizens of another country who are costing us a fortune to stop taking advantage of this country!

[xaviqaz]

The difference between 1850 or 1910 and now is called Welfare State. When Welfare was tiny or did not exist, the term "illegal immigration" had no sense.

[pjwells2009]

It's simple. Parents of child are here illegally baby should be illegal. Attorneys and politicians always have to make things more complicated than they should be.

[MickBurkellc]

Yea, let's follow precedent rather than the constitution. The constitution was meant to be written in stone, but these progressives want to make any MISTAKE a judge ever makes the ultimate law. If a single judge, interprets the law wrong even ONCE, they refer to it as precedent and want to base FUTURE DECISION on that mistake? That's just stupid.

[cdkkiss1952]

Americans do not want Illegal "anchor babies" given automatic citizenship. Our boarders need to be protected.

Craig.

[PresBarack]

@cdkkiss1952 "Americans do not want Illegal "anchor babies" " Umm I don't want illegals to be given automatic citizenship, but anchor babies aren't illegal. Rethink your wording.

[cdkkiss1952]

@PresBarack I believe that under the law the children of illegal immigrants are illegal. This is what the whole debate is about. I agree with the majority of the nation when I say we don't want them. I have read most of the posts here..They are rethinking the same way I do..Thanks for your input.

[fortehlulz9999]

They are not 'illegal immigrants'. They're illegal aliens.

[dave18201]

It is our fedral government's fault for allowing illegal immigrants into our country in the first place.They figured if they get a few million illegals in this country it would be a human rights issue to keep them here!And the first language the anchor babies learn is spanish because the parents are to ignorant to learn english and be american!Multilingual and multi culturalism is going to tear this country apart.

[ddeeclausius]

well if this happens... America will become all Police States! Our freedom is being taken away little by little... you think the TSA Airport checking is bad wait until this HAPPENS!

[LSKKMa]

It's to bad no one put a gag in that anchorwoman's mouth. Talk about being liberal... I think that gal wrote the book. I have an idea, lets give her the bills for a couple of illegal alien families(housing, food, medical). I'll bet after 2-3 months she'll be singing a different tune.

[Reblynn70]

What if no country claims them? Did she just pull that out of her liberal behind. 

[Reblynn70]

She is a CNN Liberal...Just like all the other liberals, she doesnt listen to facts. Just like Pelosi, Reid and Obama who have failed to listen to the people.

[niamtxiv]

I'm a liberal and this man is right. I do not support illegal aliens. This anchor woman is an idiot. I swear, I want to slap her face. MORAL LAWS!!!

[thomaserossi]

Your senior analyst Jeffery Tuban is completely indoctrinated beyond stupidity. Liberal Indoctrination has created a dumber world. Nobody indoctrinated by Liberals reads original material. They'll say "Odipus complex" but they've never read Homer. They'll scream FACISM!!111 but they've never read Mussolini or Hitler. It's beyond stupidity. When you're always wrong (Global Warming, Communism, Fascism, French Revolution, Bolshevik Revolution...) you're worse off than stupid.

[myhitsugaya10]

That anchor kept interrupting the senator!

[4real2s]

If she was born in China. Did she want to become Chinese citizen?

[bethnme]

I have always said that just because they are Mexican does Not make them stupid. These women know exactly what they are doing when they get pregnant and cross the border! For too long this country has tried to play protector to the rest of the world. When will US citizens be protected? If "charity begins at home" then why are our resources going everywhere else?

[lockupchick]

Boy, she really doesn't want to hear facts about the constitution, she just wants to ask him why he wants the law enforced? I shouldn't be surprised with her behavior, considering that she works for the Communist News Network.

[matimm1]

Well said!

[pwnagesince1228]

key phrase: "under the jurisdiction." Illegal immigrants are technically not under the jurisdiction of the states.

[PresBarack]

@pwnagesince1228 They technically are, because in order to be illegal you have to be subject to law in the first place.

[airhab]

@pwnagesince1228 Then how are they "illegal"?!

you truly are an idiot.

[bdhcarbon]

@pwnagesince1228 yes they are as they are in the state. Just as if you step foot on someone's land and break your arm, the owner of the land has certain jurisdiction for their land.

[iinveiin]

@pwnagesince1228 So far, you and 9 others, either dont' know what "under the jurisdiction there of" means, or you are all geniuses for debunking the 14th amendment in one short sentence.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

@pwnagesince1228 Really? So when they committ a crime, they can't be prosecuted for it, because they have immuntiy from American laws??

Okay TeaBagger...

[AmericanWhiteMan]

Thank you Senator Pearce, We true Americans are with you. To bad you had such an IDIOT to interview you. But consider the source....CNN

[merrywriter1]

He is RIGHT.  The stupid anchor didin't have the sense to listen.

[SeaWolfe59]

@merrywriter1

The "stupid anchor" is a typical left winger with no consideration for what the Constitution says. Clearly she has her mind made up about the issue.

[curlycar5]

Makes complete sense what he is saying.......how could it have ever been the intent of the original law to reward illegals for having babies in this country. It's simply not the right thing to do when thousands of other families are coming into this country legally. Allowing babies of illegals to have citizenship splits the family....some legal some not.

[Brdskipper]

Answer me this? Are the children of diplomats/envoys to the US who are absolutely born here, American citizens at birth? It's very clear and the answer is "no".

[DoubleTalkingJive]

@Brdskipper Correct! Know why? Because diplomates and envoys are NOT subject to the jurisdiction thereof, as they have diplomatic immunity from American laws. Illegal immigrants do NOT have that immunity, which makes Pearce even more full of shit..

[Brdskipper]

@DoubleTalkingJive

not completely accurate. They can be criminally and civilly liable for any actions not in conjunction with their diplomatic roles.

[borderraven]

SCREW SCOTUS!

Congress has the power, if not the will, to Repeal the 14th Amendment, by writing a new amendment.

[Hotrodhardy]

This is why I do not watch CNN! Did you see the zealousness of this lady on this issue. It was so obvious I think she almost puked a whole taco right on that desk when Senator Pierce handed her ass to her on a plate of AMERICAN CONSTITUTION SOLIDARITY.

DON'T TREAD ON ME.

THANK YOU SENATOR RUSSELL PEARCE.

[PresBarack]

@Hotrodhardy As a Libertarian who loves the constitution, Russell Pearce makes me sick. This is old settled law Kim Wong V. United States settled this bull crap over 100 years ago. It was intended not to include children of diplomats and native americans (Native Americans were later added). P.S. it's a joke that he says it doesn't go for 'aliens', earth to Pearce if you are born here you are not an alien.

[borderraven]

@PresBarack, I agree with Justices Fuller and Harlan, SCOTUS ruled incorrectly in Wong Kim Ark, due to Congress's failure enact good laws. WKA's parents were under joint jurisdiction of the US State Department and the Chinese Embassy, but neither of his parents was a US citizen.

What if one parent was German and the other French, what right do you (USA) have to determine the child is a US citizen?

Shouldn't the child be the citizenship of the father, or of both parents?

[PresBarack]

@borderraven Citizenship is a right given to you for being born here. The only people that are not granted citizenship are children of diplomats and people who are not under U.S. law jurisdiction. (Foreign Diplomats are immune to U.S. law)

[borderraven]

@PresBarack, citizenship is not a "right", but citizens have rights, privileges and responsibilities.

[PresBarack]

@borderraven No, it's a right to anyone born here. The supreme court even stated that it cannot be taken away without permission as stated in Vance v. Terrazas. It is because of the 14th amendment.

[borderraven]

@PresBarack, apparently you didn't read all of the 14th Amendment, but you only read the bits you want to be right.

[PresBarack]

@borderraven What, name a part that counters my arguement? Are you talking about the part that it cannot be taken by states too? Tell me a 'bit' that counters my arguement.

[borderraven]

@PresBarack, 14th Amndt, sentence 2 clause 2:

"nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law"

States can deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, with due process of law.

[thomaserossi]

@PresBarack - It's NOT a right to be a citizen. You keep saying it's a right to be born here. You're another indoctrinated Liberal Fascist. The argument isn't about rights. If it's about rights then you lose. Rights are natural, not granted by government. That's why indoctrinated Liberal fascists like you are always wrong. You're so beyond stupid you believe that the government GRANTS rights. If that's true then it's well within their power NOT grant these rights you fucking moron.

[PresBarack]

@thomaserossi Well, to start things off.... I'm a Libertarian/Goldwater Conservative, protecting my constitutional RIGHTS does not make me "Liberal Fascist". If someone is born here, they are a United State's citizen. That RIGHT cannot be taken away. I'm sorry i'm upholding the constitution. It's your right to free speech right? It's protected by the 1st amendment, it cannot be taken away.

Lastly, get off your period please. Mr. Internet tough guy.

[xaviqaz]

@PresBarack reckless immigration, reckless money, reckless warfare/welfare, reckless budget... It's all the same

[PresBarack]

@xaviqaz We don't need to change our constitution to fix this problem, you have many choices. 1. Deport parents with baby, the baby can come back when they are of age. 2. Leave the child with a relative legally living in the United States. Lastly, the issue with welfare is a completely different issue and in my honest opinion we need to cut back on it entirely or tremendously.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

@borderraven Actually, according to French and German laws, the kid would be German and French, since both countries have "jus sanguis" laws, meaning that the kid could've been born on Mars and he'd still be German and French, due to his parentage.

The U.S., however, has "jus solis" laws, meaning if you're born here, you're American.

[borderraven]

Vattel said, "I say, that, in order to be of the country, it is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; for, if he is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

[PresBarack]

@borderraven No, let's take it further, since Conservatives think citizenship should be earned, instead of given by birth, I think everyone must serve in the military at least 4 years, if not they can never vote or do anything citizens can do. Limiting citizenship is a fun game huh?

[borderraven]

@PresBarack, I like how you think. All males, age 18-45 should be required to serve the nation, in combat services or alternative services,including agriculture, at least 8 years active, or until they take the Oath of Naturalization.

cont'd

[borderraven]

@borderraven cont'd

"In the distant future high school kids are encouraged to become citizens by joining the military. What they don't know is that they'll soon be engaged in a full scale war against a planet of alien insects. The fight is on to ensure the safety of humanity."

Starship Troopers (1997)

Robert A. Heinlein

[rick10is]

Too bad we can't rescind citizenship to all the anchor babies,at least back five years!!!

[borderraven]

@rick10is, we need laws that consider "embassy or consular jurisdiction" of the parents as affecting the citizenship of the child. The child is the joint-citizenship of the parents, not of the soil. The soil only provides jurisdiction over the territorial laws, treaties, and int'l agreements, that govern the birth.

Anchor baby and DREAM Act reward the bad behavior of the parents.

[kmg501]

@rick10is

"Anchor babies" are a myth. They don't have citizenship. Just like he said, the constitution is being willfully misread/misinterpreted. The neo-liberal establishment of sanctuary cities are stealing from the citizen taxpayers to protect and support illegal alien invaders.

[PresBarack]

@kmg501 “ All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Read English bafoon do you speak it? The Conservatives must turn away from this if they don't want to take a hit at the polls. This is not an arguement of the country enforcing their immigration laws (which they should and thank arizona) the republicans are challenging amendments, which the only result is losing.

[borderraven]

@PresBarack , So far Arizona has been victorious in the courts. Of 10 cases, 8 were dismissed.

In USA v Arizona, most of the bill was left intact, w/ Judge Bolton ruling against certain mandatory, but not on voluntary parts. It should win in SCOTUS.

US Chamber v Whiting survived up to SCOTUS, and should win in SCOTUS.

Wait and see by July.

BTW - How do you define "jurisdiction"?

[PresBarack]

@borderraven The current case with Arizona and the case of birthright citizenship are two completely different cases. Are you confusing the two? Jurisdiction is define by that they are subject to U.S. Law. Foreign diplomat's children are not granted automatic citizenship b/c they are not under jurisdiction of U.S. law since they are immune to U.S. law.

[borderraven]

@PresBarack, the mention of foreign diplomats and soldiers is only an example of "transient aliens", who cannot be drafted into the US military. Illegal aliens cannot be drafted into the US military, because they are "transient aliens" under "consular jurisdiction", thus the children are whatever the nationalities of both parents combined.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

@borderraven Foreign diplomats can't be drafted, but then again, neither can I.

Know why?

Cause there's no draft! It doesn't exist, and hasn't since 1973. Please find another talking point.

Secondly, any illegal immigrant can walk into a recruiting center tomorrow and enlist in the Army. They give green cards away for that now.

Pick up a newspaper once in a while and you'll learn a thing or two.

[borderraven]

@DoubleTalkingJive, However we have Selective Service registration in case there is a draft.

Those aliens joining the US Army, can't become US citizens for a couple years, their security clearance is below NOFORN, and I think the service obligation is 8 years active duty.

[DoubleTalkingJive]

@borderraven Whether or not they get citizenship is moot; my point is they're guaranteed green cards which itself guarantees permanent residence.

So much for them being "transient aliens" under "consular jurisidiction"! They can go from being illegal immigrants to United States soldiers virtually overnight.

And although there's no way of really knowing, it's safe to assume that if we still had a draft, illegals would be the first to get sent over!

[kmg501]

@PresBarack

You are the difference between us libertarians with sanity and those like you who think all borders are a crime. You can't have a borderless world when people are coming to steal from you. You can't have a borderless world when people decide that they like your land so much that they want to claim it for their own and use squatting strategies to do that. Extreme libertarians like you fail to acknowledge that LaRaza is a racist movement bent on Mexican territorial expansion.

[Brian100487]

@kmg501 Well said, and thank you Senator Pearce!

[PresBarack]

@kmg501 Where did I say we shouldn't have any borders? Pulling words out of my ass I see. Birthright citizenship and the border are two different cases. I know who LaRaza but are you really paranoid about some small stupid group, sounds like another red scare to me. You fail at debating, please read before you debate. nuf said.

[SeaWolfe59]

@kmg501

Totally agree with you.

[iinveiin]

@kmg501 Right, because these people have 'chosen' to be poor, have chosen to risked their lives for their grand mexican territorial expansion scheme. How do people get this ignorant? Do they ever think their thoughts through?

[kmg501]

@iinveiin

What they have chosen to do is break into our home and steal our belongings. It's not my problem that their nation sucks or that they are poor. I am not unsympathetic to them but at the same time I am not going to allow my region, my town, my city, my state or my nation to continue to be victimized by it.

In the last ten years over 100 hospitals in the U.S. have been directly bankrupted by illegal aliens who have no means or intent to pay for the goods & services they steal.