Problem - As soon as one identifies with this IDEA one is then conforming. Once you conform to ANY set of ideals as such, one enters into conflict with their true self and creates suffering for themselves and the rest of humanity. We must go beyond all ideas and thought, and then even go beyond that. The mind looks to grab hold of these ideas for security, just like seeking security in ideas of marriage, material wealth (money/objects), political and religious ideas etc. FREEDOM!!
@ghostlysheet Perhaps before criticising others, YOU should learn proper English. Capitalisation, grammar and punctuation would be a good start. Then, you could learn a little tolerance for others, especially for those who labour under a disability.
A fucking fraudulent video!! Secularism is Ethnocentric system in which all other minorities would suffer immensely specially if they adhere to a religion!
Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
While I don't agree with Ingersoll's assertion that secularism is a religion (a disagreement in definition), I do agree with him in principle. Secularism is the condition of being above dogma and answerable only to ourselves and to each other. Ingersoll is one of my heroes.
I think you misunderstand. One does not place one's self above dogma. One exchanges one dogma for another. I'll use the word "dogma" as interchangeable with "belief set." Dogma is, in final analysis a particular belief set held by a group.
I'm not saying that Secularism is bad or anything of the sort. I'm just saying that materialists have a tendency to vilify anything relating to theology on the grounds that some dicks who called themselves religious did some dick moves.
"Dogma" is not interchangeable with "belief set." One's belief set may be capable of being questioned and changed if it is not dognatic. Dogma, by its very nature, never is nor can be questioned.
If I say, "This is my opinion, but I will listen to your argument," that is not dogmatic. The church says of its opinions, "This is not opinion, but fact, and you have no argument."
Dogma, according to the three searches I just did, really does refer to a belief set (principals or tenets being a part of the mind and thus beliefs). This puts scientific method squarely in the realm of dogma. Scientific method is a mental object and mental objects are beliefs.
2+2 must always equal five. This is beyond question. Anything beyond question, from an internal standpoint, is dogma.
Science is ALWAYS open to question. Therefore it is in no way dogmatic. Even the theory of gravity, long accepted from Newton, was questioned - and changed- by Einstein. Science progresses because of question. Religion remains static because it cannot be questioned. That's the difference.
"2+2 must always equal five. This is beyond question." What are you talking about? Was this supposed to be sarcasm? If someone asserted 2+2=5 without question, THAT would be dogmatic, and wrong. So far.
Yes, I was making an oblique reference to something else. I'll rescind my sarcasm and just say that I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You think that science and scientific method are the same. You are an "afficianado", though not a practitioner, of science. I mean no offence, but you know less about metaphysics than I do. You think that reality really can be divided into subjects and objects and you don't know that the sub/ob world is only in your head.
Secularism is simply the separation between the religion and the state, simple as that.. i dont hate religious people, you can belief wathever you want, as long as you keep your faith for yourself.. no "god under a nation", no creacionism at school.. no Sharia Law.. and so goes on..
this guy went off on how to convince people that this is what secularism is and that it IS GOOD. what a joke. and the people believe it because they're been indoctrinated to do so. they don't think. The rich and powerful and evil think for them. Evil i say? the rich and powerful define this for the socialist. that is evil.
Secularism is not a religion. It is a belief that religious activity and everyday life are two seperate things. ex.. Christians are only christians when they pray, read the bible, and go to church but every other activity they do, such as eating, is a secular activity. Christians see no such distinction between the activities they do in their day to day lives. Nor does any religion see any such distinction. I've read on some Pagan websites that secularism is just an offshoot of christianity
It was the great Robert Ingersoll who educated the world back in the 1890s about how jews were never in Egypt in his essay "what infidels have done" which can be read online. Tel-Aviv prof Ze'ev Herzog can also be read online with his findings that jews were never in Egypt and that the exodus story was all fantasy by the jews. Prominent rabbi David Wolpe agrees that the jews were never in Egypt. Jews invented the exodus story to try to ruin Egyptian culture just like their holocaust story.
The main reason most people cling to religion is not because they genuinely believe in it's fiction but because the fiction is their only source of moral guidance. The best way to fight religion is not by opposing religion but by developing and promoting secular ethics. The more people understand the basic principles and concepts of secular ethics, the less they'll depend on religion for moral guidance and the easier it will be for people to drop it on their own.
I beleive in ISLAM and I have recently converted , this scualrism is total rubbish, ehics should be taught by god by a supreme power not be imposed upon us by a bunch of capitalists who want nothing but to control the msses pockets, incomes, and earnings to keep on the top. Islam is a great religion it is the real justice in this world. seularism did not offer the world the solution to their problems. and look at Turkey
Secularism is only about one thing- thinking for yourself. Islam, Christianity and Judaism are just cults that seek to control gullible people like you by filling your minds with lies and filling your hearts with fear and anger and hate. It doesn't matter which one you follow, you will never be an authority on morality or justice or economics and you certainly don't speak for any supreme power.
Thinking for myself = selfishness? right. imgaine a world full of individual morals , ndividual ethics, thoughts and views , it is like farting in your face is right because I just feel comfortable with this and nothing to control my behaviour, I see that securalism is the trend that is filling people's minds with rubish and their hearts with nothing but greedness and selfishness. if you don't believe there is a god , do whatever you want.
Are you comfortable with people farting in your face? If so, that's an issue in itself but, I'll assume you aren't. That is how you know it's immoral. Morals don't come from faith, they come from logic and common sense. Thinking for yourself simply means trusting your own logic and common sense. If you lack logic or common sense, then you're a dangerous puppet and no amount of prayer or worship is going to fix you.
can you define common sense and logic? it is either defned by the total amount of traditions and customs someone had grown up with, so it is culture in many countries farting in the group is something logic and common sense, if you don't believe that there is a god for this universe then it is you who lack this common sense you'retalking about, what does your sense is telling you about that?
As a life long indoctrinate Jesuit from the age of 5 . prepairing to serve the cloth, i made my way to the Vatican , i learned at the age of 23 it was all a delusional lie.I bare witness to the millions of murders around the globe by religion in the name of God. Religion is a form of delusional madness, almost requiering man to belive in something, Mans unreal fear of death and beign alone.
You are absolutely right! God is unkowable...unless...He choses to reveal Himself. What if God showed himself as a creator by putting design and information in the universe? What if God became a man and demonstrated power over nature and even death. I have never seen, heard, touched or smelt the builder of my house. But I'm pretty confident he exists.
it is so funny to see people talking about muslims as backarded and retarded, and with all the power secularists governments have they still too much worried about ISLAM , yet they adopt so much of the Sharia Law in their legislations look at the (UK)
Does Southwest fly to where he is? Or can I just stay in my most comfortable chair, and ponder up imaginative, thoughts, of the unknowable, slavery allowing, genocidal theist god that others like you believe exist without any evidence. Were you on the OJ jury?
logic about provable penises has nothing to do with your knowing, the unknowable, invisible, omnipotent, prior to matter, needing no cause, future making, future willing universe creator, that can't be proven.
Really so a week from now, today being Friday, is what? Thursday? come on! Your and scripture's math turn our week into the Beatles eight days a week, or a Godly six because according to Genesis that unknowable invisible universe creator is still resting.
TCP, how did you discover Ingersoll? I've been reading his genius since college. I picked up his twelve volume set back then, for a few greenbacks more than his dollar lectures use to cost back in the 1800's
No it doesn't, because since you cannot prove what holy is, since your basis begins with an unknowable , unprovable, invisible universe creator, your holy book cannot be proven holy,since god is not proven, sorry, just a fact, and I believe Spaig's penis is safe, unless he's devoutly into circumcision.
and jesus stole 95% from the old testament, plus the other words the gospels invented that supposedly were spoken by him. This myth will eventually be placed on the same shelf next to Mother Hubbard, OZ and Jack's Giant.
How can you steal something that's yours in the first place? Jesus is the subject of the Old and New Testament. In the the Old fortold and in the New revealed.
don't bury yourself with that one, when my students ask that out of ignorace, I ask them this, If Jesus is the old and the new, and an infinite unknowable invisible universe creator, why do Christians desribe the resurrection as a miracle?
Because when Jesus walked the earth he emptied himself of Deity and trusted God the Holy Spirit for His power and God the Father for His resurrection. One of the most profound mysteries of the Christian faith is the union of the divine and the human Jesus Christ. "The Kenosis" describes the fact that, according to Philippians 2:7, when God's divine Son became human He voluntarily laid aside His divine rights to function as God while not ceasing to be God.
canon does not save or raise you above the hole that christianity has dug for you. You have no idea what divine rights are, and until you prove the existence of an infinite , invisible, unknowable universe creator, your opinion is bullshit, thanks and good night.
when I see someone die and raise again after 3 days it will be a miracle to me. If I tell someone else about it later, it would be hearsay to them, and if they believed it then they would be putting their faith in me and in my story- which I could be making up for a variety of reasons- for example, if I were a pharasie and I believed in life after death, I could use a story like this to undermine the sadducies teaching that there is no resurection...
cjwaldie, if I stated youtube will be servicing its site in three days we'd hopefully both agree that would be Sunday, today being Thursday, scripture has Jesus dying Friday and claiming three days will be the resurrection, heck, its not even forty six hours later, when he pops back with his unknowable omnipotence, what's that all about? I have plenty more don't worry.
are you omniscient? how do you have the authority to desribe what a miracle might be? and if you answer yes, how do you know what omniscient is, independent of being a mortal, finite being?
This makes a lot of sense to me, but I think many many people (even very well educated people) find a deep sense of comfort in religion and without it would suffer sadness. I dont think religion is going away anytime soon.
if disease, hurricanes and starvation disappeared, there might be some basis for believing in a loving father type god- as it is though, if were are all god's children, then he would be the ultimate child abuser.
Don't forget he is the greatest abortionist"miscarriage", in the history of his universe. As Ingersoll said, God only obeys one commandment, and he does that one so well, he worships no other gods.
elvismilk- I have done some reading that suggests that the Semites who formed the twelve tribes of Israel were originally 2 different groups- one group worshipping the peaceful "El of the mountain" myth, and one group that believed in warlike angry Yahweh myth. If I understand it correctly, the two groups merged their respective gods into one god figure who was both loving father god, and angry bloodthirsty punishing god and this might explain the inconsistencies that fill the bible...
Well, your reading is just one of several opinions regarding that period of time we really just guess reasonably about, yet it does help with destroying the myths of the Jews and Christians.
elvismilk- thats cool, I was just curious what You thought about it. I do the best I can to remain a freethinker, so I take most things I read about religion with a grain of salt anyway. Anyone who looks very deeply at all into science in regards to evolution or the theories about the origins of our universe is really almost forced to discard any religion that sees god as a personal creator of human life or follows the Earth centered Universe of Aristotle and Ptolemy
Well said, sadly Ptolemy had men transfixed for 1500 years, and without some greedy Portuguese Kings getting the shipping rolling on those waves to those Indian riches, we probably would be speaking Sioux here still or some Native dialect.
Its too bad that greed always seems to be the primary motivator for progress- I would love to see an age when mankind would put aside its differences in the areas of religion race and caste, and work together for the improvement of the whole species.
for now though, all we can do is try to win more minds to the clarity of freethought and free more "souls" from the bondage of religion-as the man said "THE DESTROYER OF WEEDS THISTLES AND THORNS IS A BENEFACTOR WHETHER HE SOWETH GRAIN OR NOT."
The contradictions are directly from scripture, taking into account translation errors etc, the contradictions abound nonetheless. As of today I have compiled one thousand inconsistencies and contradictions, I plan to continue the tradition of using scripture when debating with theologians. They never should have let that vile book leave the pulpit, in hands like mine their falsehoods are exposed.
are You planning to write a book or anything like that? I would love to see a list even a fraction of that size posted on our freethought site, if You are ever looking to post it somewhere...
It is like Don Quixote was for Cervanates, a life long mission and quest for the impossible, but I will have a book published by 2011, to sit along side all the others on the subject. I just hope it will give the next atheist more ammunition and thoughts to fight against the intolerant thoughts of theists. My fortay is similiar to Ingersoll's , attacking scripture, since it is the easiest and first foundation that has the most cracks.
I wish You much luck with your book my friend. I was a christian for around 25 years before a sad string of events and a lot of unanswerable questions prompted me to stop trying to accept things that didn't make sense on faith and actually seek for real answers... my mom raised me not only to believe in god, but also to love my neighbor and abhor violence and prejudice- but as You know these things are incompatible-so I choose to discard faith and follow the humanist path.
I agree that scripture is the weakest point and the easiest place to punch holes in faith. I am constantly having theist/antitheist debates by email with the minister of my parent's church and it is quite a feeling sometimes to be able to stump him with unanswerable questions from a book that he has studied for most of his life...
That was the pulpits own doing, letting that book come out from behind the pulpit. If they had never let the thinking man read it. Oh well, all is for the best as Voltaire's Candide was made to believe.
Are you reading a book you recommend right now? I have many to recommend, but modern authors just to name two , are James Morrow's "Towing Jehovah" and Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael" and "My Ishmael" they have both written other good books but those I know you cannot enjoy.
I havent had alot of time to really read anything lately... my son has left for the Military within the last few days and I have been trying to cope with that-plus I have recently been in a lot of debates at my work because I have recently come out about being an atheist and there are a lot of people looking to fight with me-as if "god" will bless their violent souls for being just like him (in their perception) I really thought as an adult that people would outgrow that kind of shit
Your words and thoughts are mine also. I just shake my head. I tell people my son is an atheist, and no joke, they look at me and say,"I can't believe you are indoctrinating him." I say hello, folks who indoctinates whose children? And also you describing it as coming out, that's exactly my wording, currently I am in heated discussions with three Christian friends, and willing to belittle those who believe 2+2=5
That's cool, Its good to run across some kindred spirits in a world full of delusional people. My son is an atheist as well, and I didn't have to indoctrinate him at all- I just left a few books sticking out slightly from the others on my bookshelf and made a few well placed comments about religion without expounding on it too much and let his natural curiosity and intelligence run their course...
now we talk about it from time to time, but he often asks questions and all I have to do is answer or point the way to the answer... It also helps that I know a guy from Canada who writes his own programs and he and I are collaborating on a website for the promotion of freethought, so I can often write things there for my son to find on his own- he knows they are his dad's writings, but it is my way of passing info to him without "preaching"...
As for "coming out" as an atheist, it seems a really appropriate way to phrase it because we are even more of an unaccepted minority than gay people and it is about as hard to just say- but on the bright side I now have about 3-4 people on my job that are asking me questions and it gives me a chance to appeal to their reason and pull some more "weeds"
Some secular thoughts spoils our world. This guy's definition of Secularism sounds fantastic, but is that what it really is? I have heard some secular thoughts that they made me sick to my stomach.
Zionists are Jews. Why would Jews want to eliminate Judaism? Try thinking about your lies before spreading them as the truth.
The truth is, secularism is an atheist/agnostic/deist movement created not to eliminate religion form the world but to relegated it to the realm of myth where it belongs.
Ingersoll's legacy need not be "relagated to the dustbin of history". there are copies of his "complete works" on the internet infidels website, along with the works of many other freethinkers. The current situation in the world is putting organized religion in a really bad light and alot of people are begining to wake up to the fact that christianity and islam are both death cults.
Right on Auf, well written, as Ing use to love to orate, it takes supernatural belief, to believe in the supernatural. I made up a play in high school based on his lectures, I almost was put to the stake.
I would like to have seen that... Im glad that You could avoid "the stake" it never ceases to amaze me how religious people can whine about intolerance and persecution, and yet they are always prepared to dole it out themselves if the opportunity presents itself...
They tell everyone love your enemies, yet Jesus in scripture tells his disciples to wipe their feet as they depart from towns that deny their message, The Coen brothers use that symbolism in No Country, I haven't read McCarthy's book but he probably used it also, if not the Coen brothers being Jewish love to inject little subtle nuggets in their films like that. If god wants me to love my enemies he needs to love his.
There are podcasts of his lectures on ITunes, which I listen to dare I say religiously. Sadly, Ingersoll's legacy has been relegated to the dustbin of history. All one has to do is look at the blood-soaked history of the 20th century to prove it. The Christian religion has still pressed on despite the attacks against it. If Ingersoll had lived on, what would he said about that?
It's too bad this kind of thing doesn't get publicity. P.S. If everyone were athiest, what would people use in place of "Oh, my god?" Would they say "Oh my nothing"? or "Oh my atheism"? What do u think?
Probably "Oh my goodness", as is already used. And such a phrase can be used literally (i.e. Thank the goodness in the world) - search for Dennett's essay on the subject, aptly titled "THANK GOODNESS".
But i doubt secularists as described by Ingersoll would be inclined to say such words. His message was truly for the abolishment of mental slavery. I wish more people will free their minds of mental slavery. If we stop serving man who use religion to catapult themselves into power, the world will be more peacuful. Peace be upon all.
hopefully your mental slavery means the concept of Hell, because Ingersoll always stated that his biggest issue with Christianity was the vile, unjust concept of Hell and Atonement. I will answer any questions about Ingersoll that you have, I have read his twelve volume set from 1900, for the past twenty-six years. An Amazing Orator.
Unfortunatly, I wasn't referring mental slavery to the idea of hell. Actually, serving religious leaders in the name of religion is already hell for earth. I guess people dislike the idea of hell because they are being pressured to do something by the religious leaders under the fear of retribution. Hell should not be a tool to get people to do something for their leaders, it is for them to do something for themselves, that's the way i see it. Thanks elvis, for being forthcoming. Peace.
peace to you also, no one understands that I would one hundred percent, give my pinkey finger, I know that's not much, but I would, if the humans of this world would stop killing each other. Oh well, at least I don't look at this world through the selfish christian I am goin to heaven eyes.
well, I am atheist but I don't mind saying oh my god!!, its just words!!! but to be honest I like holly shit much better, and since I am Spanish, mostly I use "me cago en dios".... which translated literally means: I shit on god.. hey, I did not invented that one, I just use it.
And it is precisely that only that god has been proven to be throughout history, just a word, I advocate a further modification, and that would be, make god just "G" , then the theist math asses that love logical proofs that seem to prove the unknowable, could hold on to G existing. LOL
throughout history the only thing that has been proven is the "god" is just a word. It will take time, but once this Judao, Christian myth sits on the shelf next to Mother Hubbard, OZ, Narnia and Little Red Riding Hood, then we can hopefully use something else, and finally realize that all humans used that word"god" in vain the whole time.
Imagine that, living for the present and living for this life. I can follow that logic.
SecularistStorm 1 month ago
Problem - As soon as one identifies with this IDEA one is then conforming. Once you conform to ANY set of ideals as such, one enters into conflict with their true self and creates suffering for themselves and the rest of humanity. We must go beyond all ideas and thought, and then even go beyond that. The mind looks to grab hold of these ideas for security, just like seeking security in ideas of marriage, material wealth (money/objects), political and religious ideas etc. FREEDOM!!
Regzillaaa 7 months ago
"Religious orthodoxy is an ideological beauty contest, in which the winner is always the ugly guy" - Dr. Soner Cagaptay.
Secular1000 11 months ago
learn how to talk. " for pwesent or past", "pwaying" lol
ghostlysheet 1 year ago
@ghostlysheet dude are you serious??? wow...
ihaveaverybadcold 11 months ago
@ghostlysheet Perhaps before criticising others, YOU should learn proper English. Capitalisation, grammar and punctuation would be a good start. Then, you could learn a little tolerance for others, especially for those who labour under a disability.
77gravity 7 months ago
A fucking fraudulent video!! Secularism is Ethnocentric system in which all other minorities would suffer immensely specially if they adhere to a religion!
Down with secular Barbarism and Savagery!!!
leotakesleo 1 year ago
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Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelt Graeco-Buddhism, refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th century BCE and the 5th century CE
qaplatlhinganmaH 2 years ago
crazy he couldn't even be a republican in this day and age. such a shame.
TheEvolver311 2 years ago
While I don't agree with Ingersoll's assertion that secularism is a religion (a disagreement in definition), I do agree with him in principle. Secularism is the condition of being above dogma and answerable only to ourselves and to each other. Ingersoll is one of my heroes.
Largo64 2 years ago
I think you misunderstand. One does not place one's self above dogma. One exchanges one dogma for another. I'll use the word "dogma" as interchangeable with "belief set." Dogma is, in final analysis a particular belief set held by a group.
I'm not saying that Secularism is bad or anything of the sort. I'm just saying that materialists have a tendency to vilify anything relating to theology on the grounds that some dicks who called themselves religious did some dick moves.
It's too bad.
bobbygnosis 2 years ago
"Dogma" is not interchangeable with "belief set." One's belief set may be capable of being questioned and changed if it is not dognatic. Dogma, by its very nature, never is nor can be questioned.
If I say, "This is my opinion, but I will listen to your argument," that is not dogmatic. The church says of its opinions, "This is not opinion, but fact, and you have no argument."
Largo64 2 years ago
Dogma, according to the three searches I just did, really does refer to a belief set (principals or tenets being a part of the mind and thus beliefs). This puts scientific method squarely in the realm of dogma. Scientific method is a mental object and mental objects are beliefs.
2+2 must always equal five. This is beyond question. Anything beyond question, from an internal standpoint, is dogma.
Yes, science is dogmatic.
Peace, love and understanding, brother.
bobbygnosis 2 years ago
Science is ALWAYS open to question. Therefore it is in no way dogmatic. Even the theory of gravity, long accepted from Newton, was questioned - and changed- by Einstein. Science progresses because of question. Religion remains static because it cannot be questioned. That's the difference.
"2+2 must always equal five. This is beyond question." What are you talking about? Was this supposed to be sarcasm? If someone asserted 2+2=5 without question, THAT would be dogmatic, and wrong. So far.
Largo64 2 years ago
Yes, I was making an oblique reference to something else. I'll rescind my sarcasm and just say that I don't think you understand what I'm saying. You think that science and scientific method are the same. You are an "afficianado", though not a practitioner, of science. I mean no offence, but you know less about metaphysics than I do. You think that reality really can be divided into subjects and objects and you don't know that the sub/ob world is only in your head.
Cheers anyway, though.
bobbygnosis 2 years ago
R.G. Ingersoll was full of it. Secularism is just the seclusion of relgion from the main body of scoiety. Thats all.
FriendOregon 2 years ago
Secularism lead to 60 million people dead in one war!
YasharMJ 2 years ago
Secularism is simply the separation between the religion and the state, simple as that.. i dont hate religious people, you can belief wathever you want, as long as you keep your faith for yourself.. no "god under a nation", no creacionism at school.. no Sharia Law.. and so goes on..
Deadleader555 2 years ago
this guy went off on how to convince people that this is what secularism is and that it IS GOOD. what a joke. and the people believe it because they're been indoctrinated to do so. they don't think. The rich and powerful and evil think for them. Evil i say? the rich and powerful define this for the socialist. that is evil.
nVei06 2 years ago
Secularism is not a religion. It is a belief that religious activity and everyday life are two seperate things. ex.. Christians are only christians when they pray, read the bible, and go to church but every other activity they do, such as eating, is a secular activity. Christians see no such distinction between the activities they do in their day to day lives. Nor does any religion see any such distinction. I've read on some Pagan websites that secularism is just an offshoot of christianity
sillypuppy2 2 years ago
It was the great Robert Ingersoll who educated the world back in the 1890s about how jews were never in Egypt in his essay "what infidels have done" which can be read online. Tel-Aviv prof Ze'ev Herzog can also be read online with his findings that jews were never in Egypt and that the exodus story was all fantasy by the jews. Prominent rabbi David Wolpe agrees that the jews were never in Egypt. Jews invented the exodus story to try to ruin Egyptian culture just like their holocaust story.
WithHoldment 3 years ago
The main reason most people cling to religion is not because they genuinely believe in it's fiction but because the fiction is their only source of moral guidance. The best way to fight religion is not by opposing religion but by developing and promoting secular ethics. The more people understand the basic principles and concepts of secular ethics, the less they'll depend on religion for moral guidance and the easier it will be for people to drop it on their own.
Piscivorus 3 years ago 2
Bravo! A very good point.
GregoriMarcus57 3 years ago 2
I beleive in ISLAM and I have recently converted , this scualrism is total rubbish, ehics should be taught by god by a supreme power not be imposed upon us by a bunch of capitalists who want nothing but to control the msses pockets, incomes, and earnings to keep on the top. Islam is a great religion it is the real justice in this world. seularism did not offer the world the solution to their problems. and look at Turkey
Amero1 2 years ago
Secularism is only about one thing- thinking for yourself. Islam, Christianity and Judaism are just cults that seek to control gullible people like you by filling your minds with lies and filling your hearts with fear and anger and hate. It doesn't matter which one you follow, you will never be an authority on morality or justice or economics and you certainly don't speak for any supreme power.
Piscivorus 2 years ago
Thinking for myself = selfishness? right. imgaine a world full of individual morals , ndividual ethics, thoughts and views , it is like farting in your face is right because I just feel comfortable with this and nothing to control my behaviour, I see that securalism is the trend that is filling people's minds with rubish and their hearts with nothing but greedness and selfishness. if you don't believe there is a god , do whatever you want.
Amero1 2 years ago
Are you comfortable with people farting in your face? If so, that's an issue in itself but, I'll assume you aren't. That is how you know it's immoral. Morals don't come from faith, they come from logic and common sense. Thinking for yourself simply means trusting your own logic and common sense. If you lack logic or common sense, then you're a dangerous puppet and no amount of prayer or worship is going to fix you.
Piscivorus 2 years ago
can you define common sense and logic? it is either defned by the total amount of traditions and customs someone had grown up with, so it is culture in many countries farting in the group is something logic and common sense, if you don't believe that there is a god for this universe then it is you who lack this common sense you'retalking about, what does your sense is telling you about that?
Amero1 2 years ago
As a life long indoctrinate Jesuit from the age of 5 . prepairing to serve the cloth, i made my way to the Vatican , i learned at the age of 23 it was all a delusional lie.I bare witness to the millions of murders around the globe by religion in the name of God. Religion is a form of delusional madness, almost requiering man to belive in something, Mans unreal fear of death and beign alone.
LostFREEDOM 3 years ago
You remind me of Voltaire, who was also raised by Jesuits, but had an unusually strong mind, and was able to unleash himself from mental slavery.
BeatBuddy 3 years ago
You are absolutely right! God is unkowable...unless...He choses to reveal Himself. What if God showed himself as a creator by putting design and information in the universe? What if God became a man and demonstrated power over nature and even death. I have never seen, heard, touched or smelt the builder of my house. But I'm pretty confident he exists.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
it is so funny to see people talking about muslims as backarded and retarded, and with all the power secularists governments have they still too much worried about ISLAM , yet they adopt so much of the Sharia Law in their legislations look at the (UK)
Amero1 2 years ago
Unknowable? Oh my friend, you haven't begun to live until you've met Him.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
Does Southwest fly to where he is? Or can I just stay in my most comfortable chair, and ponder up imaginative, thoughts, of the unknowable, slavery allowing, genocidal theist god that others like you believe exist without any evidence. Were you on the OJ jury?
elvismilk 3 years ago
With that logic you couldn't prove what his penis is.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
logic about provable penises has nothing to do with your knowing, the unknowable, invisible, omnipotent, prior to matter, needing no cause, future making, future willing universe creator, that can't be proven.
elvismilk 3 years ago
Hmm, not hard math. Friday = 1 Saturday = 2 Sunday = 3.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
Really so a week from now, today being Friday, is what? Thursday? come on! Your and scripture's math turn our week into the Beatles eight days a week, or a Godly six because according to Genesis that unknowable invisible universe creator is still resting.
elvismilk 3 years ago
TCP, how did you discover Ingersoll? I've been reading his genius since college. I picked up his twelve volume set back then, for a few greenbacks more than his dollar lectures use to cost back in the 1800's
elvismilk 3 years ago
If the Koran counts, cut it off.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
No it doesn't, because since you cannot prove what holy is, since your basis begins with an unknowable , unprovable, invisible universe creator, your holy book cannot be proven holy,since god is not proven, sorry, just a fact, and I believe Spaig's penis is safe, unless he's devoutly into circumcision.
elvismilk 3 years ago
Bogus. Ingersoll steals from the Bible and the Biblical Worldview for 95% of this junk.
cw
cjwaldie 3 years ago
I'll give my penis if you've read one other holy book.
Spalg 3 years ago
and jesus stole 95% from the old testament, plus the other words the gospels invented that supposedly were spoken by him. This myth will eventually be placed on the same shelf next to Mother Hubbard, OZ and Jack's Giant.
elvismilk 3 years ago
How can you steal something that's yours in the first place? Jesus is the subject of the Old and New Testament. In the the Old fortold and in the New revealed.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
don't bury yourself with that one, when my students ask that out of ignorace, I ask them this, If Jesus is the old and the new, and an infinite unknowable invisible universe creator, why do Christians desribe the resurrection as a miracle?
elvismilk 3 years ago
Because when Jesus walked the earth he emptied himself of Deity and trusted God the Holy Spirit for His power and God the Father for His resurrection. One of the most profound mysteries of the Christian faith is the union of the divine and the human Jesus Christ. "The Kenosis" describes the fact that, according to Philippians 2:7, when God's divine Son became human He voluntarily laid aside His divine rights to function as God while not ceasing to be God.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
canon does not save or raise you above the hole that christianity has dug for you. You have no idea what divine rights are, and until you prove the existence of an infinite , invisible, unknowable universe creator, your opinion is bullshit, thanks and good night.
elvismilk 3 years ago
When someone is dead for three days then comes back to life. I don't care who you are, that's a miracle.
cjwaldie 3 years ago
when I see someone die and raise again after 3 days it will be a miracle to me. If I tell someone else about it later, it would be hearsay to them, and if they believed it then they would be putting their faith in me and in my story- which I could be making up for a variety of reasons- for example, if I were a pharasie and I believed in life after death, I could use a story like this to undermine the sadducies teaching that there is no resurection...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
cjwaldie, if I stated youtube will be servicing its site in three days we'd hopefully both agree that would be Sunday, today being Thursday, scripture has Jesus dying Friday and claiming three days will be the resurrection, heck, its not even forty six hours later, when he pops back with his unknowable omnipotence, what's that all about? I have plenty more don't worry.
elvismilk 3 years ago
are you omniscient? how do you have the authority to desribe what a miracle might be? and if you answer yes, how do you know what omniscient is, independent of being a mortal, finite being?
elvismilk 3 years ago
This makes a lot of sense to me, but I think many many people (even very well educated people) find a deep sense of comfort in religion and without it would suffer sadness. I dont think religion is going away anytime soon.
Sunwing1x 3 years ago 2
I laugh at religion, if disease, hurricanes and starvation disappeared, what proof would the believers have of God's goodness?
elvismilk 3 years ago
if disease, hurricanes and starvation disappeared, there might be some basis for believing in a loving father type god- as it is though, if were are all god's children, then he would be the ultimate child abuser.
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
Don't forget he is the greatest abortionist"miscarriage", in the history of his universe. As Ingersoll said, God only obeys one commandment, and he does that one so well, he worships no other gods.
elvismilk 3 years ago
elvismilk- I have done some reading that suggests that the Semites who formed the twelve tribes of Israel were originally 2 different groups- one group worshipping the peaceful "El of the mountain" myth, and one group that believed in warlike angry Yahweh myth. If I understand it correctly, the two groups merged their respective gods into one god figure who was both loving father god, and angry bloodthirsty punishing god and this might explain the inconsistencies that fill the bible...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
You seem very educated, do You have an opinion about this?
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
Well, your reading is just one of several opinions regarding that period of time we really just guess reasonably about, yet it does help with destroying the myths of the Jews and Christians.
elvismilk 3 years ago
elvismilk- thats cool, I was just curious what You thought about it. I do the best I can to remain a freethinker, so I take most things I read about religion with a grain of salt anyway. Anyone who looks very deeply at all into science in regards to evolution or the theories about the origins of our universe is really almost forced to discard any religion that sees god as a personal creator of human life or follows the Earth centered Universe of Aristotle and Ptolemy
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
Well said, sadly Ptolemy had men transfixed for 1500 years, and without some greedy Portuguese Kings getting the shipping rolling on those waves to those Indian riches, we probably would be speaking Sioux here still or some Native dialect.
elvismilk 3 years ago
Its too bad that greed always seems to be the primary motivator for progress- I would love to see an age when mankind would put aside its differences in the areas of religion race and caste, and work together for the improvement of the whole species.
for now though, all we can do is try to win more minds to the clarity of freethought and free more "souls" from the bondage of religion-as the man said "THE DESTROYER OF WEEDS THISTLES AND THORNS IS A BENEFACTOR WHETHER HE SOWETH GRAIN OR NOT."
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
The contradictions are directly from scripture, taking into account translation errors etc, the contradictions abound nonetheless. As of today I have compiled one thousand inconsistencies and contradictions, I plan to continue the tradition of using scripture when debating with theologians. They never should have let that vile book leave the pulpit, in hands like mine their falsehoods are exposed.
elvismilk 3 years ago
are You planning to write a book or anything like that? I would love to see a list even a fraction of that size posted on our freethought site, if You are ever looking to post it somewhere...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
It is like Don Quixote was for Cervanates, a life long mission and quest for the impossible, but I will have a book published by 2011, to sit along side all the others on the subject. I just hope it will give the next atheist more ammunition and thoughts to fight against the intolerant thoughts of theists. My fortay is similiar to Ingersoll's , attacking scripture, since it is the easiest and first foundation that has the most cracks.
elvismilk 3 years ago
I wish You much luck with your book my friend. I was a christian for around 25 years before a sad string of events and a lot of unanswerable questions prompted me to stop trying to accept things that didn't make sense on faith and actually seek for real answers... my mom raised me not only to believe in god, but also to love my neighbor and abhor violence and prejudice- but as You know these things are incompatible-so I choose to discard faith and follow the humanist path.
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
I agree that scripture is the weakest point and the easiest place to punch holes in faith. I am constantly having theist/antitheist debates by email with the minister of my parent's church and it is quite a feeling sometimes to be able to stump him with unanswerable questions from a book that he has studied for most of his life...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
That was the pulpits own doing, letting that book come out from behind the pulpit. If they had never let the thinking man read it. Oh well, all is for the best as Voltaire's Candide was made to believe.
elvismilk 3 years ago
Are you reading a book you recommend right now? I have many to recommend, but modern authors just to name two , are James Morrow's "Towing Jehovah" and Daniel Quinn's "Ishmael" and "My Ishmael" they have both written other good books but those I know you cannot enjoy.
elvismilk 3 years ago
I havent had alot of time to really read anything lately... my son has left for the Military within the last few days and I have been trying to cope with that-plus I have recently been in a lot of debates at my work because I have recently come out about being an atheist and there are a lot of people looking to fight with me-as if "god" will bless their violent souls for being just like him (in their perception) I really thought as an adult that people would outgrow that kind of shit
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
Your words and thoughts are mine also. I just shake my head. I tell people my son is an atheist, and no joke, they look at me and say,"I can't believe you are indoctrinating him." I say hello, folks who indoctinates whose children? And also you describing it as coming out, that's exactly my wording, currently I am in heated discussions with three Christian friends, and willing to belittle those who believe 2+2=5
elvismilk 3 years ago
That's cool, Its good to run across some kindred spirits in a world full of delusional people. My son is an atheist as well, and I didn't have to indoctrinate him at all- I just left a few books sticking out slightly from the others on my bookshelf and made a few well placed comments about religion without expounding on it too much and let his natural curiosity and intelligence run their course...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
now we talk about it from time to time, but he often asks questions and all I have to do is answer or point the way to the answer... It also helps that I know a guy from Canada who writes his own programs and he and I are collaborating on a website for the promotion of freethought, so I can often write things there for my son to find on his own- he knows they are his dad's writings, but it is my way of passing info to him without "preaching"...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
As for "coming out" as an atheist, it seems a really appropriate way to phrase it because we are even more of an unaccepted minority than gay people and it is about as hard to just say- but on the bright side I now have about 3-4 people on my job that are asking me questions and it gives me a chance to appeal to their reason and pull some more "weeds"
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
Some secular thoughts spoils our world. This guy's definition of Secularism sounds fantastic, but is that what it really is? I have heard some secular thoughts that they made me sick to my stomach.
cjla1987 3 years ago
Secularism is a zionist movement been invented to eleminate religion from the world. in Particular (ISLAM)
Amero1 2 years ago
Zionists are Jews. Why would Jews want to eliminate Judaism? Try thinking about your lies before spreading them as the truth.
The truth is, secularism is an atheist/agnostic/deist movement created not to eliminate religion form the world but to relegated it to the realm of myth where it belongs.
Piscivorus 2 years ago
Ingersoll's legacy need not be "relagated to the dustbin of history". there are copies of his "complete works" on the internet infidels website, along with the works of many other freethinkers. The current situation in the world is putting organized religion in a really bad light and alot of people are begining to wake up to the fact that christianity and islam are both death cults.
Aufhetzer 4 years ago
Right on Auf, well written, as Ing use to love to orate, it takes supernatural belief, to believe in the supernatural. I made up a play in high school based on his lectures, I almost was put to the stake.
elvismilk 3 years ago
elvismilk-Thank You.
Bavaria1974 3 years ago
Just continuing what Ingersoll elaborated so well. I did a one man play in college using his lectures, what an orator he was.
elvismilk 3 years ago
I would like to have seen that... Im glad that You could avoid "the stake" it never ceases to amaze me how religious people can whine about intolerance and persecution, and yet they are always prepared to dole it out themselves if the opportunity presents itself...
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
They tell everyone love your enemies, yet Jesus in scripture tells his disciples to wipe their feet as they depart from towns that deny their message, The Coen brothers use that symbolism in No Country, I haven't read McCarthy's book but he probably used it also, if not the Coen brothers being Jewish love to inject little subtle nuggets in their films like that. If god wants me to love my enemies he needs to love his.
elvismilk 3 years ago
elvismilk- I meant to say thank You, I didn't realize at first that my wife was signed in....
Aufhetzer 3 years ago
I understand.
elvismilk 3 years ago
There are podcasts of his lectures on ITunes, which I listen to dare I say religiously. Sadly, Ingersoll's legacy has been relegated to the dustbin of history. All one has to do is look at the blood-soaked history of the 20th century to prove it. The Christian religion has still pressed on despite the attacks against it. If Ingersoll had lived on, what would he said about that?
Still, awesome video. 5 stars.
opinionhead444 4 years ago
Great. You need an Arabic translation.
Alpha
khalafalla 4 years ago 2
Perhaps someone can contact Wafa Sultan. I don't remember if her first name is spelled with one "f" or two.
lazyperfectionist1 4 years ago
It's too bad this kind of thing doesn't get publicity. P.S. If everyone were athiest, what would people use in place of "Oh, my god?" Would they say "Oh my nothing"? or "Oh my atheism"? What do u think?
Selsiuss2 4 years ago
Probably "Oh my goodness", as is already used. And such a phrase can be used literally (i.e. Thank the goodness in the world) - search for Dennett's essay on the subject, aptly titled "THANK GOODNESS".
TCPHumanist 4 years ago
Maybe they will say, 'Oh my Ingersoll!'
But i doubt secularists as described by Ingersoll would be inclined to say such words. His message was truly for the abolishment of mental slavery. I wish more people will free their minds of mental slavery. If we stop serving man who use religion to catapult themselves into power, the world will be more peacuful. Peace be upon all.
curbintolerance 4 years ago
hopefully your mental slavery means the concept of Hell, because Ingersoll always stated that his biggest issue with Christianity was the vile, unjust concept of Hell and Atonement. I will answer any questions about Ingersoll that you have, I have read his twelve volume set from 1900, for the past twenty-six years. An Amazing Orator.
elvismilk 3 years ago
Unfortunatly, I wasn't referring mental slavery to the idea of hell. Actually, serving religious leaders in the name of religion is already hell for earth. I guess people dislike the idea of hell because they are being pressured to do something by the religious leaders under the fear of retribution. Hell should not be a tool to get people to do something for their leaders, it is for them to do something for themselves, that's the way i see it. Thanks elvis, for being forthcoming. Peace.
curbintolerance 3 years ago
peace to you also, no one understands that I would one hundred percent, give my pinkey finger, I know that's not much, but I would, if the humans of this world would stop killing each other. Oh well, at least I don't look at this world through the selfish christian I am goin to heaven eyes.
elvismilk 3 years ago
well, I am atheist but I don't mind saying oh my god!!, its just words!!! but to be honest I like holly shit much better, and since I am Spanish, mostly I use "me cago en dios".... which translated literally means: I shit on god.. hey, I did not invented that one, I just use it.
lapiz1969 4 years ago
And it is precisely that only that god has been proven to be throughout history, just a word, I advocate a further modification, and that would be, make god just "G" , then the theist math asses that love logical proofs that seem to prove the unknowable, could hold on to G existing. LOL
elvismilk 3 years ago
beautiful , I'll add that to my repertoire, me cago en dios, love that, I use to call him a grande mosca, or mosca grande!
elvismilk 3 years ago
Mosca grande would be the correct way to say it...
good, the whole sentence is: me cago en dios y en su puta madre!!! which is way toooo long.
The rest means: and his whore mother... but of course she wasn't, she was an abused and raped teenager that had a child without her consent.
...but, he was "god".
lapiz1969 3 years ago
I personally prefer "Holy Crap," or in mixed company "Great Scott."
lazyperfectionist1 4 years ago
Who do you think you are, Doc?
Selsiuss2 4 years ago
? Well now, I have heard the philosophers speculate that there is no greater and more vexing mystery than who and what we truly are.
lazyperfectionist1 4 years ago
throughout history the only thing that has been proven is the "god" is just a word. It will take time, but once this Judao, Christian myth sits on the shelf next to Mother Hubbard, OZ, Narnia and Little Red Riding Hood, then we can hopefully use something else, and finally realize that all humans used that word"god" in vain the whole time.
elvismilk 3 years ago
@Selsiuss2 oh my darwin haha me and my friend say that to piss oh christians.
knotcopyright 1 year ago
@knotcopyright yeah, and speaking of the guy who said they can say "oh my goodness," well... what goodness?
Selsiuss2 1 year ago
@Selsiuss2 Doing the right thing because you know it's right not because you fear what will happen if you don't.
Richardisdorky 1 year ago
@Richardisdorky I didn't say "what is goodness" I was saying "what goodness is there?" making "oh my goodness" an ironic statement.
Selsiuss2 1 year ago
@Selsiuss2 Ahh very good, suttle but good.
Richardisdorky 1 year ago
@Richardisdorky thank you.
Selsiuss2 1 year ago
The Ingersoll bug is catching! Great video.
Gisburne20000 4 years ago
good one!
KasparHauser4 4 years ago
good job
aajoeyjo 4 years ago
5 stars...another great video.
humanforpresident 4 years ago