@PurpleHaze20111 It sounds a lot like your saying "Stopping a car is only application of the brakes and realease of the accelerator not suspension of movement" - well actually its all 3
If u are going to define ultimate justice as including forgiveness then we are talking about 2 different things here and i would add you are contradicting yourself with your definition.
Also, "compensate the victim to fulfill the demands of justice" agreed but this doesnt refute anything i said regard mercy
This is bullshit, the very few answer to the very first question (Conflict between justice and mercy), to state that there is no obvious difference between ultimate justice and some/any mercy is in the definition. Mercy is the suspension of justice, partly or wholely. Thats not my definition, that is the definition of the words. lies, damn lies and dogma
@shandcunt Mercy is forgiveness of sin or suspension of punishment not suspension of justice . To be just one does not have to punish someone one can always compensate the victim to fulfill the demands of justice.
And women were raped not because of their religion, it was a form of torture on men, they were forced to watch at gunpoint; their daughters, wives, mothers etc. This is from fact and accounts - I know Bangladesh history; not because they were Muslims. They killed the educated, the political, the handsome first... Are you going to continue to talk out of your ass?
And its only been one day since you found a way to worm out of being proved wrong on Islam and science - and now you resort to fake facts and insults. I'll continue to reply to your stupidity for as long as you assert yourself as someone who has knowledge, in reality it is biased and unresearched. Ie Houri, Bangladesh genocide, etc.. Put those balls to use gandalf
Go research it, I have heard first hand accounts of plenty of Muslims from Bangladesh who said it was to instill fear. 9:5 the sentence before it says "at the end of these holy months"... Those months were over some 1400 years ago. You got owned on Bangladesh history, grandad
Are you going to continue to lie? My mothers family is from Bangladesh, she and my grandparents remember the war - it wasn't on religion, it was because Bangladesh previously East Pakistan was seeking independence - you fail. And read my responses - cancer cures, ie chemotherapy were an innovation of the 20th century.. I gave you innovators in science eg antiseptic.. Still going to deny?
The first innovation in hacking cancer was around 20th century.. But diseases; Al Razi, ibn Sina, al Kindi, Ibn Rushd, ibn Rayta all innovative in the use of something similar to drugs to treat disease. Ibn Razi used mercurial compounds for antiseptics, the use of medicinal alcohol as a form of antiseptic. And you won't find these names on wikipedia, they come from books - I have PLENTY of others
Really, if your mum is not dead - tell her she did a terrible job. "no wonder your boyfriends left you". You terrified old man - this is what you say when being proved wrong - as always to talk about what you don't know - to talk about "smart" one should obtain a degree, and you left school as soon as you could. In your senile mind, that bf business is probably a "fact", as you thought the Bangladesh genocide was
"bigger fish to fry" - the only reason you ran away was because the other individual is not proving your wrong, whereas I am, hence the lies, evasion, censoring and the refusal to accept you baseless facts - Houri, bangladesh genocide, Muslim scientists, etc etc
And who was the one who initially changed the subject, its all there in black and white old man - you asked for pioneers, you had to change your stance.. Seriously watch leader of BNP in Question time - you slubd exactly like him upon being proved wrong. Man up.. Sticking to my principles - never let an uneducatibg bigot get away with stupidity, because then he'll continue in that manner
lies and stupidity are tiring eg "kids from different fathers" and CLAIM ABOUT BANGALDESH GENOCIDE; I proved you wrong yet u evade. Look back on your original query, you asked for pioneers when I gave them you wormed your way out it. Fine, can't name any off top of my head - but I have revealed all your lies, Mr Nick Griffin. "attention", I'm waiting for the old man to stop lying and pretending his facts are genuine; proved them all wrong. Put those balls to use old man
Another pitfall, you believe all muslims believe in the Salafi interpretation of Islam - you should be the face of Edl with all this baseless "facts". Finally "dim witted" - you are unemployed while I study. You make no contribution to society, I make a positive one. I reached far higher in education with better grades whereas I was pregnant. I look forward to your response; they are so very simple and amusing.. Like watching an episode of Chucklevision
I have proven you wrong countless times now, when will you accept how small minded you are. The Bangladesh genocide and the attempt to cite sura tawba as you claimed was used as a justification, initially on the idea of Houri being established as we know if after death of Muhammad, evolution in Islam etc etc.. My guess I'll see yet another pathetic insult; only an uneducated bigot resorts to so when they lose.. Look back over your comments
And keep talking, you really come across as a beast - no elegance, dignity or substance in your comments. Not really the best portrayal of agnostics, grandad
"ta ra pip" you're running away again. I love proving a miseducated bigot wrong! Your reaction is similar to that of Nick Griffin on BBC Question Time a few years ago.
Lies, look back what you initially ask - keep finding ways out to admit you are being proved wrong. "Worst mother", I might have taken offence had anyone other than a middle aged, beer bellied, balding, lonely old loser had said, or ifyour mother had done a half decent job on you. Youare clearly senile, you forgot your tantrum earlier - "no wonder your husband/ boyfriend left you". Read back on your comments its all there, you can't run from that nor lie
And I'm not white, nor did I regard myself as Hindu, the more you speak the more simple you sound. I independently researched every aspect of Islam, when you tried to cite surah tawbah earlier in relation to Bangladesh - you obviously failed - no Wiki to get your lies from. And rant -really? Old man, you are hiding behind the facade of another, you follow muslims on youtube and troll - ridiculous as your life one can gather. Man up and come out
You are just a walking epitomy of stupidity, eh - you constantly lie and change your stance; you asked for pioneers in medicine, old man and I gave you that from the top of my head. Then you resorted yet again to insults, which frankly coming from a creepy old man hiding behind the persona of another man has little weight. You keep stating inaccurate ideas, eg Bangladesh genocide... Why that was Pres.Yahya "kill a million Bangladeshis the rest will follow"
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis the Freedom Party is still right wing, though. think twice before you attempt to debate me again - your pathetic opinions will be destroyed.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and tell me where in our "debate", rather on yuor part their resorting to silly insults - did i agree with the Salafi interpretation of Islam. Many were outraged at this - Muslims and non Muslims alike.
the hijab is a means of disinguishing oneself - if all wear it, it loses the piety that is supposed to come hand in hand with it. you have no clue about shariah, imbecile, "to islam" you mean in Islam
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis LOL you run away again. people like you give the people of this nation a bad name.
"bigger fish to fry" - hahahahaha you're running away - you cannot even debate a recent convert to Islam with facts etc, without resorting to childish insults - how are you going to debate elsewhere.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and my native language is english, is that another of your intelligent deductions. and again trolling - simply look at your user name you silly grandad
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh bigotry and prejudice again - stupid! and it comes from books and whatnot. and you finished school - whoop dii doo. i finished with straight As at the end of A-Level, maths, chemistry, biology and psychology - all while i was pregnant! you are not intelligent at all pops, nor can you attempt to insult me on mine, because as always you will fail.
"3 kiids from three different fathers", when you started throwing your dummy out the pram for being wrong you attempted and failed to insult me - an uneducated, silly old senile man - hard to get offended by such a "man".
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and when you put oil into your car old man, where do you think it comes from. you speak as though you have a clue, all your views are right winged nonsense,
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not as simple as you as to not research thoroughly and independently when i am told something, unlike yourself - anything that comes out the mouth of Nick Griffin becomes celestial in your eyes, most likely - people such as yourself make the country as shit hole
and you really believe an idiot such as yourself can make me feel persecuted - far from it, at university i meet far more educated people than you, who will get a job beyond stacking shelves at Tesco... god forbid you are a positive contribution to society and get of the dole
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis because they have been exploited by the west, i gather you have ignored that bigot. what is saudi arabia and dubai - did you not know simpleton they are not secular nations.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh but they do, and i have the common sense to research something independently afterwards. Muslims do not worship Muhammad - that is basic, i thought you would know that old man, it something as simple as your mindset
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh but they do, and i have the common sense to research something independently afterwards. Muslims do not worship Muhammad - that is basic, i thought you would know that old man, it something as simple as your mindset
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh but they do, and i have the common sense to research something independently afterwards. Muslims do not worship Muhammad - that is basic, i thought you would know that old man, it something as simple as your mindset
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and people are not instructed to run around it - no research yet again, simpleton - they are advised to walk briskly. idolation is worshipping something, an inanimate object - blow the dust of your dictionary. your definitions are inaccurate and stupid... Muslims worship towards the Ka'baa - yawn, your bigotry is incessant
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis "the pakis" - you further diminish any dignity your character had by using racist language.
muslims do not "lick" the black stone, they follow in the footsteps of great men before them - Muhammad - Peace be upon him", and again "paedo"... i have dressed this countless times now - did you leave school at the first opportunity sunbeam
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis well my mother is from Bangladesh, i know my own national history, simpleton. and where they not muslims so the verses even when taken out of context could not apply to them... you are talking out of your wrinkled ass.
and in general that verse is taken out of context - read even a line before "at the end of these holy months" ... those months finished some 1400 years ago you senile old buffoon
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis is it not an innovation in medicine, simpleton - as you initially asked. i answered it and then you lied and changed what you said you asked.,,
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis stupid man, i have been to Mecca - did i not state earlier - the site is maintained by humans, therefore subject to the contaminations they are. and the correct term simpleton is "muslim" - the videos you watch simply how short sighted you are, the other you recommended simply ridiculous
and your poor mother - if my child turned out to waste their time insulting strangers on the internet due to being proved wrong and stupid, i would kick myself. i would rather that they be in accordance with the teachings of Islam - humility, charity, modesty, getting educated, , exercising equilibrium - but if they were a lonely, senile, pathetic old man... uuuffff
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis so when an atheist such as Hitler, or an atheist such as Mao, or Stalin is responsible for the orchestration of the death of millions, does anyone attribute it to their disbelief in a god.
when in medieval times the pope ordered crusades, was that due to Christianity, or when fundamentalists murder an abortionist - is that due to their faith.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh, parenting advice from a loner on a laptop, who speaks nonsense, with a parody account of a man he has never met! you accuse me of trolling - are you senile to such an extent you have forgotten your own user name
well there is also the hadith that says Muhammad (PBUH) never struck a woman, child or servant in his lifetime, nor would he even say "ufff". Bigots and Islamic extremists cite this when they wish to excuse hitting your spouse. but then again you also convey yourself as such.
you give a bad portrayal of agnostics, or non muslims - any practicing / pious Muslim would do their very best to refrain from retorting in a hideous manner such as you.
again, stupidity, when someone believes that life is unpredictable, to the extent they are not guaranteed the next morning as they sleep, it instill humility - something you could learn from. if you believe modes of speech are why Muslims are unproductive - a reflection of your narrow minded disposition, yet again. they are not pathetic excuses - i have researched it sufficiently, alongside sociological commentary, sunbeam
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis you continue to evade, i gave u pioneers in research - who were Muslims, wrote about evolution a few hundred years before the birth of Darwin, you panic when proven wrong, so you resort to pathetic attempts to insult me - take quranic verses out of context. dont run too much old man, your heart might give way.
spelling mistakes are a reflection of stupidity, i also speed type - but i can still tell the difference between "personal" and "personnel"
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh, i am loving this! hardly trolling princess - the notification comes directly to my blackberry, damned if i let a bigoted, biased, unintelligent, uneducated and a general bad contribution to society have the last word. My "poor child" - i would reference your own mother and her incapacity to instil within you manners - but then again, I can uphold my dignity
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis hardly idolating, when one worships in the direction of the Ka'baa it is not defined as actually worshipping it - facts from a senile man yet again
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis look up the definition of "pagan", again - baseless. In addition, i give a portion of my income to charity,
and look up Islamic Aid. Its not "violent" jihad, rather jihad in general ie a struggle, which is defined as effort. one hadith goes "the biggest jihad is to be the pillar of ones communnity" - all you spout is nonsense, man up grandad
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis what a pathetic character, eh. Oh my what you resort to when proved wrong - truly, you could learn a great deal of manners from Islam. a true example of how old age does not bring wisdom. and again, you speak of things you do not understand, grandad. IN your eyes, you stated that to call you right-wing was a "personnel" attack... warped mindset much?
Personal attacks are all you can resort to old man.. I mentioned my status as you claimed I had a male master... Ask any iman, Makkah is safe but it doesn't prevent it from being subject to human contamination. Educate myself - I'm doing so, you are a pathetic old man saying things you don't understand on Youtube; and you ignore it when I prove you wrong, I gave you pioneers in surgery etc... Really grandad, spend time educating yourself before you pop your clogs.
And the passage from the Quran you cited 8:22 "...who will not believe. Those of with whom you made a treaty, and at every opportunity they break their treaty".. You take it out of context, dear. Btw, my mother is a Hindu, and father an atheist - your generalisations have no weight. Furthermore, at the suggestions my kids are inbred; they have German, Ghanain, Lebanese genes - hardly keeping it in the family.
And again you mention about "preferring" to live in this country; born and raised here sunbeam, and had ancestors fighting in the world wars- best to keep shut about what you don't know.
My children will be learning Arabic; firstly its a MFL; two, they will learn to assess things for themselves, as I did coming to Islam - you are a perfect example of how refraining from researching independently can lead to silly assertions
Silly old man - look up the defintion of Pagaan in the dictionary.. "someone not Muslim, Christian etc..", "observing a polytheistic religion"... Again no research sunbeam.. A sign of someone stupid= who refuses to accept something repeatedly mentioned, pertaining to the age of Aishah...
I would recommend that you educate yourself, but one supposes its too late in the day for yourself. And love how you did not address the fact I provided Muslim pioneers in Medicine as you asked, I could give plenty more names
And clearly your mind is no longer in mint condition; as you sincerly believe praying prevents one from making a positive contribution to society, as you posted on @proofandevidence wall. And plenty of Muslims found in India - but dear old Mr double standards in relation to facts - it is so that those particular cohorts are more likely to live in relative poverty, however theirrlevels of attainment is improving. Clearly bigoted and senile.
And clearly your mind is no longer in mint condition; as you sincerly believe praying prevents one from making a positive contribution to society, as you posted on @proofandevidence wall. And plenty of Muslims found in India - but dear old Mr double standards in relation to facts - it is so that those particular cohorts are more likely to live in relative poverty, however theirrlevels of attainment is improving. Clearly bigoted and senile.
Abreast your constant spelling mistakes, I pinpointed your failure to maintain your stupid facade. Educate yourself, princess, and you could get a job beyond stacking shelves in tesco. in addition, educational attainment is directly linked to class - most often African Carribean/ Asian children. If they do is because they underwent downward mobility; failures of the state and ruling class
"paedophile", again, you brainless simpleton. Look up her year of birth and then look up her year of marriage - stupid, stupid, stupid. You're just a right wing bigot - keep throwing me stupidity I'll bat it out the park, fool. I grasp that one must speak to you in the manner I speak to my children.
Truly an exemplar of stupidity you are, dear. Who is Ibn Sina, ibn Sahi, Syed Zillumur Rahman, Ibn Zuhur. Truly uneducated, now you cite baseless facts, reflected by your assumption "inbred, born muslim"..
And you are hardly "ridiculing" me, on the contrary, you just prove yourself as biased and uneducated... With the assumption there are no Muslim scientists, not watching the news recently, eh - come on princess, broaden your horizons. And those who gave death threats were probably radical, as you are in ignorance, bigotry and stupidity
obviously you don't know your world history - can give you plenty Muslims who contributed2 Medicine, science, maths, architecture, astronomy; all your facts are baseless. But them again you seem to believe the only was one can be productive in society is to create a stupid account like your own. U dnt research Ibn khaldun etc, simpleton - and how evolution before Darwin was known as "Muhammadan theory of".
Ahh, bless.. You're such a simpleton you can't even maintain that facade of being Tzortzis any more LOL! Nor are you properly reading my responses - to take such a stance - means you believe Khadijah was 45/6 and gave birth to six children.. So "paedophile" as ridiculous a notion as you are
And you speak of strong hadiths, what is generally believed in Islam and whatnot.. If you take that stance it means you are willing to believe that Khadijah was really 46; and had six children from that age.
Btw this is my country; always has been and will be.. So no "prefer"... Call me "deluded"- but another way I contribute is by challenging bigotry and stupidity.
For example this is historical fact, Shariah as we know it was established some 300 years after the death of Muhammad, as was the idea of what Houri is. I also gave you dates of Aishas birth, this supersedes hadith. AND evolution is not opposed to Islamic teachings; again no research. Look up Ibn Khaldun, Ibn al Haytham, al-Jahiz. Educate yourself; I called you coward as you resorted to insults and inaccurate statements.
No wonder you have made such a ridiculous account; reflection of your own mentality and whatnot. Your time is spent researching biased sources and citing inaccurate statements.
And it has been at least twice now, I gave you Hadith, dates and reasons which show Aishah couldn't have been nine. And lessons you could gain from Islam; "seek knowledge cradle to death", "its obligatory to gain knowledge", the "vilest creatures" (8:22) are the ignorant and unreasonable. Alongside respect for women and people who have differnt opinions to your own. then again, there's always the BNP to seek solace in..
Ahh, this is the result of proving to an ignorant bigot the pitfalls of their arguments - it becomes an ATTEMPT to insult me personally. Fine and dandy, call me a leech; I'm actually studying medicine - but to dissect a nutjobs logic, eh? Muslims do not worship Muhammad, everything you spout is nonsense, no wonder you showed me your sources - the aorta video; as ridiculous as the aspect of yourself on this forum
A cowards way out, sunshine... Next time don't attempt to engage people in debate who know far more than you alongside being educated to an extent that allows them to be balanced when forming opinions. Off you trot... Bigot - no use if you truly regard prayer as such. Such a benefit to society, huh?
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i deleted one, sunbeam, becasue there was a spelling mistake in it, i then proceeded to retype the comment. you are unable to sustain an argument, which is why your points are all over the place
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and again you ignored what i furnished - Aisha was most likely far older than NINE. Asma bint abu bakr said there was a ten year gap between herself and Aishah - she was 28 when she was married. can you calculate that, princess?
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis the intention was not to protects Rapists, fool. If a woman states she has been raped, and the defendant retorts it was consensual - he has to produce four witnesses, not the other way around which is currently customary in some countries. this is corroborated by hadith; when a woman came to Muhammad and told him she had been attacked, he believed her requiring no evidence, he sentenced him, and told the woman she had no punishment/ forgiven by God.
@mumfirst17 btw a female witness is only worth half a mans testimony,because according to your allah,all men are more honest and superior in intelligence than any females,2 women are required in place of 1 man,according to islam it is because if 1 female forgots a part then the other will remind her,LOL women are really that stupid in islam?
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis she was known for her assertive nature, and the hadith in question corroborates this particular aspect of her character.
and the cheating thing that was a rumour when she went missing in the desert for 2 weeks. but you also ignore the part in sura nisa - anyone accusing a chaste woman needs to provide four witnesses, otherwise their testimony will no longer have any weight. this shows that Islam doesn't immediatley regard a woman as a "whore"
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis hadith stipulates that women could be brilliant mothers abreast being a scholar... again baseless knowledge. there is plenty to suggest that Aisha was far older than nine, there being a number of reasons as to why they did this (ie to enhance particular attributes), her year of birth, alongside with her year of marriage dispute this, the Hadith her sister being 28- 10yrs diff, meaning she was 18 . simpleton
You are a liar and you never answered me you are running away from my answers and the most funny part is everyone can see it publicly because you didn't want to have a private discussion.
And don't feel offended when i call you a liar because you did lie, you said something without proving it and what directly contradicts historians and science.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Not at all it says communication again you LIE... the quran didn't say speech but you say it does.
I did not make it divine revelation... and why are you running away of my question.. your basing your argument on your own interpretation while i am speaking basic English directly taking the verse from the quranic verse.
Now proof to me that the majority believed it for the 10000th time... historians dis-agree with you but proof it..
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis We do not hate evolution, yet evolution of humans has not been proven its a theory.
Now you said yourself that you belief in a god, then you would know that Atheist and Theism debate is something different then religion vs atheism debate you cannot mix them..
Now back to the ant topic, proof to me that the majority believed it before we go on...
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis see, this "knowledge" you spout is highly inaccurate, Aishah - regarded as a great scholar within Islam, she gathered an army and lead them in to battle against Ali
no one is claiming that the way women are treated in some Muslim majority countries is in adherence to the faith. eg look at Saudi Arabia, the women protesting for change there want the rights given to them by Islam, they are revoked due to the ruling class choosing to ignore them
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis False, ants do not communicate by shaking there '''buts'' but by spreading chemicals what comes from there lower body (not implying ass)
Now you still didn't proof it.. yet science tells us that it was discovered in 1960 so you lied, you said that everyone or the ''common'' people knew it 1460/1500 years ago while it was discovered 50/60years ago... seems you do not research the things you claim?
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Your just mocking yourself and disproving yourself to the muslims by making up these stories and quoting verses with lies inside them.
You simply cannot answer one simply question yet you think your a expert, we always reply back but yet you do not.
Your a real hypocrite, and i am not sure why you named yourself HamzaAndreas are you jealous of the person?
Now stop lying and proof your case, i want to ask mumfirst not to reply until he replies back
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Now stop being a lazy person and proof to me as you claimed that 1400/1500years ago the majority of people believed ants could communicate..
Now if you do not proof this you are a liar because you made the statement, also if people did not know it how could mohammed(saws) know it?
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis No it doesn't say community didn't you read the verse i quoted?
6:38 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers"
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I will answer your 50,000/1000years and i will answer the aort's but first you have to answer me..
I have answered more then 6questions of you just look at the comment-page yet you didn't answer ONE...
Now i will wait till you answer just this one: Can you proof that 1400/1500 years ago the majority of people believed ants could communicate.. (If you cant it means you lied)
and the passage from the Qur'an that you cite - "men are the maintainers of women"... understand that the Qur'an speaks to people in norms... Hadith that states when a woman came to the Prophet Muhammad and said she was the breadwinner of her family - it was established that a woman who does so gets two rewards, one for maintaining her family, and the other is defined as a charity.
so due to their political culture, you believe that is a justification to assert ridiculous and bigoted ideas about Islam. And it is not only Islam that "commands" such a treatment, look up Exodus in the Bible 21:7...a lot of your ideas are baseless and downright ignorant.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ok i will reply on your question about surah 6 very quickly and if you do not reply back at me then your a liar.
6:38 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
My mis-lead you are not the only one with questions if you want to have this discussion you will have to answer some questions yourself before getting mine.
I already gave many answers before without getting one back.. now if you don't reply on my questions i wont reply on yours...
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I am calling you offensive because you called my ''religion'' a childhood fairytale, also you never answered one single question i asked. yet i refuted all of yours.
I can do the same thing about atheism and if you ask me something ill just ignore you and call atheist people stupid and blind.. would you like that?
You keep quoting verses out of there context and not even doing research on them.. i am pretty sure your just quoting a article someone on the web that can be refuted in a hour.
I will answer one question at the time when you answer me also.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The quran didn't say they are super intelligent it said they communicated as proven by science and knowledge by science many many many years later
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Soloman(pbuh) was a prophet who could do mircales, the ants warn each other ''comuncaiting'' that he was coming. Now tell me where does this contradict science...
No ant's do not shake there ''buts'' they actually have high frequency sound so meaning they are talking. But the verse says communicate. Can you proof that ''ancient'' people knew this.. If you cannot you lied again
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Thanks for showing your stupid, your the only one who can ask questions yet you never answered.
It has not only been seized on by non-Muslims to ‘prove’ that Islam is a cruel and abusive faith, but it also been taken by abusive ‘Muslim’ husbands as an excuse to vent their spleen on their unfortunate wives. (so you guys are in the same boat there)
You expect a explanation of a verse or a story in simple 400lines this is impossible so send me a PM!
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis If you make a claim quote the whole verse in its context and don't interpret it as how you want it, it shows how weak you are and what kind of person you are
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Surah 27:18 dosn't talk about polictial leaders you liar, it speaks about that the ant's communicated because Sulayman(pbuh) was walking around.
Its proven in science that Ants do communicate now tell me which person knew this in that time?
"God has promised the believers, both men and women gardens through which running waters flow, therein to abide, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual bliss: but God's goodly acceptance is the greatest
for this, this is the triumph supreme!" Surah At-Taubah 9:72
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis actually there is according to the Qur'an. In Arabic, the word "Hur" is in fact asexual, it applies to both males and females - plural "ayan", is also the same. You clearly need to research before you shoot that simple mouth of yours off.
furthermore, I am a single mother - so no "male master", while attempting to obtaining a degree, so i contest your assertion i am deficient in intelligence.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Again what is the definition of outside of time, that time dosn't effect you. It dosn't mean he lives next to time or is in next time. As i said a creator of something cannot be in need of its creation.
Your trying to put words in my mouth by twisting words, while i never said them.
You have to Send me a personal message for the 100th time. i will not reply here any-more, i will respond on all your personal messages
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I am not sure where you get the 50,000days, everyone can interpret verses in a literal way while the verse it self tells us to read it in a spiritual way..
Please send me a personal message, to many people are interfering
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis silly child, do your research - unbiased and balanced for a change. The idea that "Houri" meant virgin, was actually established around 300 years after the death of Muhammad.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis So your argument is based on when something is physical the creation of that physical needs to be physical?? That argument is not valid.
The quran dosn't say a god day is exual to 50,000 human years. God doesn't live in time but out-side of it, he created time, materials and all the things.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis It doesn't say virgin female its meant as woman's who are pure as a virgin it was meant in a spiritual way that's why i told you some of the English we have no contradicts the quran and science we have.
There are no Physical laws in heaven and you call it nature law not physcial.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The argument was from Shamoun and Shamoun was exposed as a liar for saying he was a ex-muslim. But he lied about that part the media exposed him so now he can't work for the church any-more.
I am going to sleep now so i will answer when i have time
Wait.. some Christians call the pope holy does that make him holy?
Its the same argument you bring forward.
We are not having a debate because i am not asking you anything.
QuickReply on the heaven-part: Yes spiritually like the hadith you quoted that can't be founded there can also be in the spiritual world or even speak metaphorically
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ps: its funny how you said you didn't follow a religion but yet you bring your arguments based on Christian videos, articles and sources
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Bear in mind that i don't have always time to respond or can simply forget about this video-section that's why i asked you to send me a personal message.
But ill try to respond to your questions when i see them and have time for them,
18:86. Until, when he reached the westing of the sun, he found it westing in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Now we see that the verse doesn't contradict science and only says that Dhul-Qarnain reached the west at the time of sunset.
Now if you have more questions please send me a personal message.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The problem isn't that the Quran is contradicting science, rather English language contradicts science! In English there is no scientifically correct expression for sunset or sunrise! In Arabic the word west has a verb form but in English there isn't such verb, so to correctly translate the meaning of the verse, we should add a 'westing' verb to English and use it: Read Part 2
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis First you have to answer me.. if i am going to answer you are going you to call me a liar or have a discussion about it and see who's right or wrong?
Please send me this question on a personal message so i can write more text to explain.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Again your stupidy shows error. For claiming violence on a religion you have to look on the scriptures where is no act of violence in the quran only direct commands when mohammed(saws) was in battle.
While we read in other books how prophets and messengers killed 1000's of people who were innocent this isn't in the quran, yes you can quote hadiths if you want but muslims can refuse to accept those hadiths because its not revelation
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ps: If muslims should kill other people there wont be 1,5bil people left you stupid moron, everyone can put verses out of there context and certainly out of there historical context.
You forget that christanity was the most violence religion ever existed i can quote verses in there context that talks about violence where in the other hand the quran talks about a specific time when the jews and pagans attack mohammed(saws) and he was commanded to fight
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Can you stop pretending your a muslim? Please your just mocking yourself...
It says when the jews attack you, where did they attack the muslims in general no-where it also speaks in the past no where is in Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6984 the future or judgement day called.
And as i said not all hadiths are authorized and you cant accept the ones that contradict the quran (if they do)
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis If i am going to say yes or no will you keep replying on this video-section or rather send me a personal message with questions?
I don't like posting information on this video sections as i don't have enough text to post so please send me a message. Also before you send me a message read everything in its context before even quoting the hadiths or quranic verses
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Are you a moron.. it says the jews will attack us and we will fight back and be victories this is what Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6984. says:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
@Lizzio1980 Ps: you dont even know the definition of kafir not kufr, also people can either accept hadiths or disclaim them the most important to belief in is the quran.
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
@PurpleHaze20111 It sounds a lot like your saying "Stopping a car is only application of the brakes and realease of the accelerator not suspension of movement" - well actually its all 3
If u are going to define ultimate justice as including forgiveness then we are talking about 2 different things here and i would add you are contradicting yourself with your definition.
Also, "compensate the victim to fulfill the demands of justice" agreed but this doesnt refute anything i said regard mercy
shandcunt 1 week ago
This is bullshit, the very few answer to the very first question (Conflict between justice and mercy), to state that there is no obvious difference between ultimate justice and some/any mercy is in the definition. Mercy is the suspension of justice, partly or wholely. Thats not my definition, that is the definition of the words. lies, damn lies and dogma
shandcunt 2 weeks ago
@shandcunt Mercy is forgiveness of sin or suspension of punishment not suspension of justice . To be just one does not have to punish someone one can always compensate the victim to fulfill the demands of justice.
PurpleHaze20111 1 week ago
Thank you for putting this video up; what is the name of the main speaker?
ROnikoyi 3 weeks ago
This Brother talk with Hikma (wisdom).
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And women were raped not because of their religion, it was a form of torture on men, they were forced to watch at gunpoint; their daughters, wives, mothers etc. This is from fact and accounts - I know Bangladesh history; not because they were Muslims. They killed the educated, the political, the handsome first... Are you going to continue to talk out of your ass?
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And its only been one day since you found a way to worm out of being proved wrong on Islam and science - and now you resort to fake facts and insults. I'll continue to reply to your stupidity for as long as you assert yourself as someone who has knowledge, in reality it is biased and unresearched. Ie Houri, Bangladesh genocide, etc.. Put those balls to use gandalf
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Go research it, I have heard first hand accounts of plenty of Muslims from Bangladesh who said it was to instill fear. 9:5 the sentence before it says "at the end of these holy months"... Those months were over some 1400 years ago. You got owned on Bangladesh history, grandad
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Are you going to continue to lie? My mothers family is from Bangladesh, she and my grandparents remember the war - it wasn't on religion, it was because Bangladesh previously East Pakistan was seeking independence - you fail. And read my responses - cancer cures, ie chemotherapy were an innovation of the 20th century.. I gave you innovators in science eg antiseptic.. Still going to deny?
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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The first innovation in hacking cancer was around 20th century.. But diseases; Al Razi, ibn Sina, al Kindi, Ibn Rushd, ibn Rayta all innovative in the use of something similar to drugs to treat disease. Ibn Razi used mercurial compounds for antiseptics, the use of medicinal alcohol as a form of antiseptic. And you won't find these names on wikipedia, they come from books - I have PLENTY of others
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Really, if your mum is not dead - tell her she did a terrible job. "no wonder your boyfriends left you". You terrified old man - this is what you say when being proved wrong - as always to talk about what you don't know - to talk about "smart" one should obtain a degree, and you left school as soon as you could. In your senile mind, that bf business is probably a "fact", as you thought the Bangladesh genocide was
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
"bigger fish to fry" - the only reason you ran away was because the other individual is not proving your wrong, whereas I am, hence the lies, evasion, censoring and the refusal to accept you baseless facts - Houri, bangladesh genocide, Muslim scientists, etc etc
mumfirst17 1 month ago
Please note that @HamzaAndreasTzortzis is a FAKE account and is not the real Hamza Tzortzis @mumfirst17
Buya1989 3 weeks ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And who was the one who initially changed the subject, its all there in black and white old man - you asked for pioneers, you had to change your stance.. Seriously watch leader of BNP in Question time - you slubd exactly like him upon being proved wrong. Man up.. Sticking to my principles - never let an uneducatibg bigot get away with stupidity, because then he'll continue in that manner
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
lies and stupidity are tiring eg "kids from different fathers" and CLAIM ABOUT BANGALDESH GENOCIDE; I proved you wrong yet u evade. Look back on your original query, you asked for pioneers when I gave them you wormed your way out it. Fine, can't name any off top of my head - but I have revealed all your lies, Mr Nick Griffin. "attention", I'm waiting for the old man to stop lying and pretending his facts are genuine; proved them all wrong. Put those balls to use old man
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Another pitfall, you believe all muslims believe in the Salafi interpretation of Islam - you should be the face of Edl with all this baseless "facts". Finally "dim witted" - you are unemployed while I study. You make no contribution to society, I make a positive one. I reached far higher in education with better grades whereas I was pregnant. I look forward to your response; they are so very simple and amusing.. Like watching an episode of Chucklevision
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
I have proven you wrong countless times now, when will you accept how small minded you are. The Bangladesh genocide and the attempt to cite sura tawba as you claimed was used as a justification, initially on the idea of Houri being established as we know if after death of Muhammad, evolution in Islam etc etc.. My guess I'll see yet another pathetic insult; only an uneducated bigot resorts to so when they lose.. Look back over your comments
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And keep talking, you really come across as a beast - no elegance, dignity or substance in your comments. Not really the best portrayal of agnostics, grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
"ta ra pip" you're running away again. I love proving a miseducated bigot wrong! Your reaction is similar to that of Nick Griffin on BBC Question Time a few years ago.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Lies, look back what you initially ask - keep finding ways out to admit you are being proved wrong. "Worst mother", I might have taken offence had anyone other than a middle aged, beer bellied, balding, lonely old loser had said, or ifyour mother had done a half decent job on you. Youare clearly senile, you forgot your tantrum earlier - "no wonder your husband/ boyfriend left you". Read back on your comments its all there, you can't run from that nor lie
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And I'm not white, nor did I regard myself as Hindu, the more you speak the more simple you sound. I independently researched every aspect of Islam, when you tried to cite surah tawbah earlier in relation to Bangladesh - you obviously failed - no Wiki to get your lies from. And rant -really? Old man, you are hiding behind the facade of another, you follow muslims on youtube and troll - ridiculous as your life one can gather. Man up and come out
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
You are just a walking epitomy of stupidity, eh - you constantly lie and change your stance; you asked for pioneers in medicine, old man and I gave you that from the top of my head. Then you resorted yet again to insults, which frankly coming from a creepy old man hiding behind the persona of another man has little weight. You keep stating inaccurate ideas, eg Bangladesh genocide... Why that was Pres.Yahya "kill a million Bangladeshis the rest will follow"
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis the Freedom Party is still right wing, though. think twice before you attempt to debate me again - your pathetic opinions will be destroyed.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and your source is wikiislam, i understand that now, this is where the inaccurate lies come from
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
and bigot why am i being censored - i thought you detested countries such as Saudi which prevented freedom
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and tell me where in our "debate", rather on yuor part their resorting to silly insults - did i agree with the Salafi interpretation of Islam. Many were outraged at this - Muslims and non Muslims alike.
the hijab is a means of disinguishing oneself - if all wear it, it loses the piety that is supposed to come hand in hand with it. you have no clue about shariah, imbecile, "to islam" you mean in Islam
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis LOL you run away again. people like you give the people of this nation a bad name.
"bigger fish to fry" - hahahahaha you're running away - you cannot even debate a recent convert to Islam with facts etc, without resorting to childish insults - how are you going to debate elsewhere.
stop trolling
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis another example of your pathetic double standards
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and my native language is english, is that another of your intelligent deductions. and again trolling - simply look at your user name you silly grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh bigotry and prejudice again - stupid! and it comes from books and whatnot. and you finished school - whoop dii doo. i finished with straight As at the end of A-Level, maths, chemistry, biology and psychology - all while i was pregnant! you are not intelligent at all pops, nor can you attempt to insult me on mine, because as always you will fail.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis "tootle pip" are you running awaY?
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and "hissy fit"
"3 kiids from three different fathers", when you started throwing your dummy out the pram for being wrong you attempted and failed to insult me - an uneducated, silly old senile man - hard to get offended by such a "man".
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and this information of yours, as ridiculous as the notion of being able to call yourself a grown man.. get a job
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and when you put oil into your car old man, where do you think it comes from. you speak as though you have a clue, all your views are right winged nonsense,
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not as simple as you as to not research thoroughly and independently when i am told something, unlike yourself - anything that comes out the mouth of Nick Griffin becomes celestial in your eyes, most likely - people such as yourself make the country as shit hole
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
and you really believe an idiot such as yourself can make me feel persecuted - far from it, at university i meet far more educated people than you, who will get a job beyond stacking shelves at Tesco... god forbid you are a positive contribution to society and get of the dole
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not making it up, it is every collection of hadith you will find grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not making it up, it is every collection of hadith you will find grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not making it up, it is every collection of hadith you will find grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not making it up, it is every collection of hadith you will find grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i am not making it up, it is every collection of hadith you will find grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis because they have been exploited by the west, i gather you have ignored that bigot. what is saudi arabia and dubai - did you not know simpleton they are not secular nations.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh but they do, and i have the common sense to research something independently afterwards. Muslims do not worship Muhammad - that is basic, i thought you would know that old man, it something as simple as your mindset
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh but they do, and i have the common sense to research something independently afterwards. Muslims do not worship Muhammad - that is basic, i thought you would know that old man, it something as simple as your mindset
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh but they do, and i have the common sense to research something independently afterwards. Muslims do not worship Muhammad - that is basic, i thought you would know that old man, it something as simple as your mindset
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and i do not have three children, is this an example of your acute judging
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and if all your information is gained from video named as ridiculous as this - no wonder you spout such stupidity.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and people are not instructed to run around it - no research yet again, simpleton - they are advised to walk briskly. idolation is worshipping something, an inanimate object - blow the dust of your dictionary. your definitions are inaccurate and stupid... Muslims worship towards the Ka'baa - yawn, your bigotry is incessant
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis "the pakis" - you further diminish any dignity your character had by using racist language.
muslims do not "lick" the black stone, they follow in the footsteps of great men before them - Muhammad - Peace be upon him", and again "paedo"... i have dressed this countless times now - did you leave school at the first opportunity sunbeam
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis well my mother is from Bangladesh, i know my own national history, simpleton. and where they not muslims so the verses even when taken out of context could not apply to them... you are talking out of your wrinkled ass.
and in general that verse is taken out of context - read even a line before "at the end of these holy months" ... those months finished some 1400 years ago you senile old buffoon
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and muslims do not idolate the Ka'baa as i asserted before - the alzheimers catching up with you, eh
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis is it not an innovation in medicine, simpleton - as you initially asked. i answered it and then you lied and changed what you said you asked.,,
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis stupid man, i have been to Mecca - did i not state earlier - the site is maintained by humans, therefore subject to the contaminations they are. and the correct term simpleton is "muslim" - the videos you watch simply how short sighted you are, the other you recommended simply ridiculous
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
and your poor mother - if my child turned out to waste their time insulting strangers on the internet due to being proved wrong and stupid, i would kick myself. i would rather that they be in accordance with the teachings of Islam - humility, charity, modesty, getting educated, , exercising equilibrium - but if they were a lonely, senile, pathetic old man... uuuffff
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis so when an atheist such as Hitler, or an atheist such as Mao, or Stalin is responsible for the orchestration of the death of millions, does anyone attribute it to their disbelief in a god.
when in medieval times the pope ordered crusades, was that due to Christianity, or when fundamentalists murder an abortionist - is that due to their faith.
look how pathetic you sound, old man
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh, parenting advice from a loner on a laptop, who speaks nonsense, with a parody account of a man he has never met! you accuse me of trolling - are you senile to such an extent you have forgotten your own user name
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
well there is also the hadith that says Muhammad (PBUH) never struck a woman, child or servant in his lifetime, nor would he even say "ufff". Bigots and Islamic extremists cite this when they wish to excuse hitting your spouse. but then again you also convey yourself as such.
you give a bad portrayal of agnostics, or non muslims - any practicing / pious Muslim would do their very best to refrain from retorting in a hideous manner such as you.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
again, stupidity, when someone believes that life is unpredictable, to the extent they are not guaranteed the next morning as they sleep, it instill humility - something you could learn from. if you believe modes of speech are why Muslims are unproductive - a reflection of your narrow minded disposition, yet again. they are not pathetic excuses - i have researched it sufficiently, alongside sociological commentary, sunbeam
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis you continue to evade, i gave u pioneers in research - who were Muslims, wrote about evolution a few hundred years before the birth of Darwin, you panic when proven wrong, so you resort to pathetic attempts to insult me - take quranic verses out of context. dont run too much old man, your heart might give way.
spelling mistakes are a reflection of stupidity, i also speed type - but i can still tell the difference between "personal" and "personnel"
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh, i am loving this! hardly trolling princess - the notification comes directly to my blackberry, damned if i let a bigoted, biased, unintelligent, uneducated and a general bad contribution to society have the last word. My "poor child" - i would reference your own mother and her incapacity to instil within you manners - but then again, I can uphold my dignity
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis hardly idolating, when one worships in the direction of the Ka'baa it is not defined as actually worshipping it - facts from a senile man yet again
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis look up the definition of "pagan", again - baseless. In addition, i give a portion of my income to charity,
and look up Islamic Aid. Its not "violent" jihad, rather jihad in general ie a struggle, which is defined as effort. one hadith goes "the biggest jihad is to be the pillar of ones communnity" - all you spout is nonsense, man up grandad
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis what a pathetic character, eh. Oh my what you resort to when proved wrong - truly, you could learn a great deal of manners from Islam. a true example of how old age does not bring wisdom. and again, you speak of things you do not understand, grandad. IN your eyes, you stated that to call you right-wing was a "personnel" attack... warped mindset much?
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Personal attacks are all you can resort to old man.. I mentioned my status as you claimed I had a male master... Ask any iman, Makkah is safe but it doesn't prevent it from being subject to human contamination. Educate myself - I'm doing so, you are a pathetic old man saying things you don't understand on Youtube; and you ignore it when I prove you wrong, I gave you pioneers in surgery etc... Really grandad, spend time educating yourself before you pop your clogs.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And the passage from the Quran you cited 8:22 "...who will not believe. Those of with whom you made a treaty, and at every opportunity they break their treaty".. You take it out of context, dear. Btw, my mother is a Hindu, and father an atheist - your generalisations have no weight. Furthermore, at the suggestions my kids are inbred; they have German, Ghanain, Lebanese genes - hardly keeping it in the family.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And again you mention about "preferring" to live in this country; born and raised here sunbeam, and had ancestors fighting in the world wars- best to keep shut about what you don't know.
My children will be learning Arabic; firstly its a MFL; two, they will learn to assess things for themselves, as I did coming to Islam - you are a perfect example of how refraining from researching independently can lead to silly assertions
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Silly old man - look up the defintion of Pagaan in the dictionary.. "someone not Muslim, Christian etc..", "observing a polytheistic religion"... Again no research sunbeam.. A sign of someone stupid= who refuses to accept something repeatedly mentioned, pertaining to the age of Aishah...
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
I would recommend that you educate yourself, but one supposes its too late in the day for yourself. And love how you did not address the fact I provided Muslim pioneers in Medicine as you asked, I could give plenty more names
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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And clearly your mind is no longer in mint condition; as you sincerly believe praying prevents one from making a positive contribution to society, as you posted on @proofandevidence wall. And plenty of Muslims found in India - but dear old Mr double standards in relation to facts - it is so that those particular cohorts are more likely to live in relative poverty, however theirrlevels of attainment is improving. Clearly bigoted and senile.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And clearly your mind is no longer in mint condition; as you sincerly believe praying prevents one from making a positive contribution to society, as you posted on @proofandevidence wall. And plenty of Muslims found in India - but dear old Mr double standards in relation to facts - it is so that those particular cohorts are more likely to live in relative poverty, however theirrlevels of attainment is improving. Clearly bigoted and senile.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Btw do you know the label for one who judges a whole cohort by the actions of one individual or a few - prejudiced, stupid, biased, ignorant etc
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Abreast your constant spelling mistakes, I pinpointed your failure to maintain your stupid facade. Educate yourself, princess, and you could get a job beyond stacking shelves in tesco. in addition, educational attainment is directly linked to class - most often African Carribean/ Asian children. If they do is because they underwent downward mobility; failures of the state and ruling class
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
"paedophile", again, you brainless simpleton. Look up her year of birth and then look up her year of marriage - stupid, stupid, stupid. You're just a right wing bigot - keep throwing me stupidity I'll bat it out the park, fool. I grasp that one must speak to you in the manner I speak to my children.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Truly an exemplar of stupidity you are, dear. Who is Ibn Sina, ibn Sahi, Syed Zillumur Rahman, Ibn Zuhur. Truly uneducated, now you cite baseless facts, reflected by your assumption "inbred, born muslim"..
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And you are hardly "ridiculing" me, on the contrary, you just prove yourself as biased and uneducated... With the assumption there are no Muslim scientists, not watching the news recently, eh - come on princess, broaden your horizons. And those who gave death threats were probably radical, as you are in ignorance, bigotry and stupidity
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
obviously you don't know your world history - can give you plenty Muslims who contributed2 Medicine, science, maths, architecture, astronomy; all your facts are baseless. But them again you seem to believe the only was one can be productive in society is to create a stupid account like your own. U dnt research Ibn khaldun etc, simpleton - and how evolution before Darwin was known as "Muhammadan theory of".
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Ahh, bless.. You're such a simpleton you can't even maintain that facade of being Tzortzis any more LOL! Nor are you properly reading my responses - to take such a stance - means you believe Khadijah was 45/6 and gave birth to six children.. So "paedophile" as ridiculous a notion as you are
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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And you speak of strong hadiths, what is generally believed in Islam and whatnot.. If you take that stance it means you are willing to believe that Khadijah was really 46; and had six children from that age.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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Btw this is my country; always has been and will be.. So no "prefer"... Call me "deluded"- but another way I contribute is by challenging bigotry and stupidity.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
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For example this is historical fact, Shariah as we know it was established some 300 years after the death of Muhammad, as was the idea of what Houri is. I also gave you dates of Aishas birth, this supersedes hadith. AND evolution is not opposed to Islamic teachings; again no research. Look up Ibn Khaldun, Ibn al Haytham, al-Jahiz. Educate yourself; I called you coward as you resorted to insults and inaccurate statements.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreaTzortzis
No wonder you have made such a ridiculous account; reflection of your own mentality and whatnot. Your time is spent researching biased sources and citing inaccurate statements.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
And it has been at least twice now, I gave you Hadith, dates and reasons which show Aishah couldn't have been nine. And lessons you could gain from Islam; "seek knowledge cradle to death", "its obligatory to gain knowledge", the "vilest creatures" (8:22) are the ignorant and unreasonable. Alongside respect for women and people who have differnt opinions to your own. then again, there's always the BNP to seek solace in..
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Ahh, this is the result of proving to an ignorant bigot the pitfalls of their arguments - it becomes an ATTEMPT to insult me personally. Fine and dandy, call me a leech; I'm actually studying medicine - but to dissect a nutjobs logic, eh? Muslims do not worship Muhammad, everything you spout is nonsense, no wonder you showed me your sources - the aorta video; as ridiculous as the aspect of yourself on this forum
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
A cowards way out, sunshine... Next time don't attempt to engage people in debate who know far more than you alongside being educated to an extent that allows them to be balanced when forming opinions. Off you trot... Bigot - no use if you truly regard prayer as such. Such a benefit to society, huh?
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i deleted one, sunbeam, becasue there was a spelling mistake in it, i then proceeded to retype the comment. you are unable to sustain an argument, which is why your points are all over the place
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and again you ignored what i furnished - Aisha was most likely far older than NINE. Asma bint abu bakr said there was a ten year gap between herself and Aishah - she was 28 when she was married. can you calculate that, princess?
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis not technically, read up on it, it was permissible in the early days of Islam, and then it was outlawed.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis and its a common interpretation that "contacted women" means having sex with a woman,
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis i gave you a hadith, yet in your ignorant bubble, you refuse to acknowledge this, typical of a bigot
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The vers said communicated not speech.. now you said: i will convert to islam and pray... or are you lying again?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis the intention was not to protects Rapists, fool. If a woman states she has been raped, and the defendant retorts it was consensual - he has to produce four witnesses, not the other way around which is currently customary in some countries. this is corroborated by hadith; when a woman came to Muhammad and told him she had been attacked, he believed her requiring no evidence, he sentenced him, and told the woman she had no punishment/ forgiven by God.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@mumfirst17 btw a female witness is only worth half a mans testimony,because according to your allah,all men are more honest and superior in intelligence than any females,2 women are required in place of 1 man,according to islam it is because if 1 female forgots a part then the other will remind her,LOL women are really that stupid in islam?
HamzaAndreasTzortzis 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis she was known for her assertive nature, and the hadith in question corroborates this particular aspect of her character.
and the cheating thing that was a rumour when she went missing in the desert for 2 weeks. but you also ignore the part in sura nisa - anyone accusing a chaste woman needs to provide four witnesses, otherwise their testimony will no longer have any weight. this shows that Islam doesn't immediatley regard a woman as a "whore"
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis 1. Historians and science agree this wasn't know in 1400/1500years ago
2. You said they knew it now proof it to me they knew it and contradict the historians and scientist, and bring me stronger evidence and arguments
3. If you do not proof it your a liar, because you made the statement and not i..
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis hadith stipulates that women could be brilliant mothers abreast being a scholar... again baseless knowledge. there is plenty to suggest that Aisha was far older than nine, there being a number of reasons as to why they did this (ie to enhance particular attributes), her year of birth, alongside with her year of marriage dispute this, the Hadith her sister being 28- 10yrs diff, meaning she was 18 . simpleton
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis typical i am going to ignore you now if you don't mind..
You are a liar and you never answered me you are running away from my answers and the most funny part is everyone can see it publicly because you didn't want to have a private discussion.
And don't feel offended when i call you a liar because you did lie, you said something without proving it and what directly contradicts historians and science.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Not at all it says communication again you LIE... the quran didn't say speech but you say it does.
I did not make it divine revelation... and why are you running away of my question.. your basing your argument on your own interpretation while i am speaking basic English directly taking the verse from the quranic verse.
Now proof to me that the majority believed it for the 10000th time... historians dis-agree with you but proof it..
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis We do not hate evolution, yet evolution of humans has not been proven its a theory.
Now you said yourself that you belief in a god, then you would know that Atheist and Theism debate is something different then religion vs atheism debate you cannot mix them..
Now back to the ant topic, proof to me that the majority believed it before we go on...
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis see, this "knowledge" you spout is highly inaccurate, Aishah - regarded as a great scholar within Islam, she gathered an army and lead them in to battle against Ali
no one is claiming that the way women are treated in some Muslim majority countries is in adherence to the faith. eg look at Saudi Arabia, the women protesting for change there want the rights given to them by Islam, they are revoked due to the ruling class choosing to ignore them
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis False, ants do not communicate by shaking there '''buts'' but by spreading chemicals what comes from there lower body (not implying ass)
Now you still didn't proof it.. yet science tells us that it was discovered in 1960 so you lied, you said that everyone or the ''common'' people knew it 1460/1500 years ago while it was discovered 50/60years ago... seems you do not research the things you claim?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Proof it? everyone can give arguments and words but is there any proof the majority believed this?.... ''PROOF''
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Your just mocking yourself and disproving yourself to the muslims by making up these stories and quoting verses with lies inside them.
You simply cannot answer one simply question yet you think your a expert, we always reply back but yet you do not.
Your a real hypocrite, and i am not sure why you named yourself HamzaAndreas are you jealous of the person?
Now stop lying and proof your case, i want to ask mumfirst not to reply until he replies back
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Now stop being a lazy person and proof to me as you claimed that 1400/1500years ago the majority of people believed ants could communicate..
Now if you do not proof this you are a liar because you made the statement, also if people did not know it how could mohammed(saws) know it?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis No it doesn't say community didn't you read the verse i quoted?
6:38 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
Meaning you have to respect animals like humans.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
in the farewell sermon by Muhammad
O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers"
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
You forgot their night jobs: Allah kindling the fire in hell and Satan laying rivers of wine in heaven.
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
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mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I will answer your 50,000/1000years and i will answer the aort's but first you have to answer me..
I have answered more then 6questions of you just look at the comment-page yet you didn't answer ONE...
Now i will wait till you answer just this one: Can you proof that 1400/1500 years ago the majority of people believed ants could communicate.. (If you cant it means you lied)
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
Come on proof to me that people knew it 1400/1500years ago so i can answer you... i want to answer you really i do but just give me proof first.
If you make statements back them up... don't forget you agreed i can call you a liar if you lied.. now back up your words.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
and the passage from the Qur'an that you cite - "men are the maintainers of women"... understand that the Qur'an speaks to people in norms... Hadith that states when a woman came to the Prophet Muhammad and said she was the breadwinner of her family - it was established that a woman who does so gets two rewards, one for maintaining her family, and the other is defined as a charity.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
so due to their political culture, you believe that is a justification to assert ridiculous and bigoted ideas about Islam. And it is not only Islam that "commands" such a treatment, look up Exodus in the Bible 21:7...a lot of your ideas are baseless and downright ignorant.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ok i will reply on your question about surah 6 very quickly and if you do not reply back at me then your a liar.
6:38 There is not an animal in the earth, nor a flying creature flying on two wings, but they are peoples like unto you. We have neglected nothing in the Book (of Our decrees). Then unto their Lord they will be gathered.
This is the right translation any errors now?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis ahh, a method of evasion; first smart thing I have seen you do.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis typical preaching without answers...
My mis-lead you are not the only one with questions if you want to have this discussion you will have to answer some questions yourself before getting mine.
I already gave many answers before without getting one back.. now if you don't reply on my questions i wont reply on yours...
This is fair and just.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Wow you are really showing your stupidy more and more.
Read 6:37 first then read 6:38 and all your confusion is solved.. But your probably verse 39 haha.
Now answer me first.. because i asked these questions before you even took surah 6 from the article
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis No i did not imply that god needs time.. how did i imply that?
The quran also doesn't imply it, like i said before it was meant for a metaphorical way in some verses and in the other one a spiritual way.
Now answer my questions first before going further:
Can nothing create something, if not how can the universe to be existed.
Can you show me proof that the majority of the people believed ants could communicate 1400/1500years ago. (if not you lied)
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I am calling you offensive because you called my ''religion'' a childhood fairytale, also you never answered one single question i asked. yet i refuted all of yours.
I can do the same thing about atheism and if you ask me something ill just ignore you and call atheist people stupid and blind.. would you like that?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I am not going to reply on you till you reply on me...
You keep quoting verses out of there context and not even doing research on them.. i am pretty sure your just quoting a article someone on the web that can be refuted in a hour.
I will answer one question at the time when you answer me also.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Can you stop being offensive??
If you do not understand something and a person can actually answer you doesn't mean you can personal-attack someone or hes religion.
Now tell me do you belief that nothing created something?
Or that something created something?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The quran didn't say they are super intelligent it said they communicated as proven by science and knowledge by science many many many years later
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Soloman(pbuh) was a prophet who could do mircales, the ants warn each other ''comuncaiting'' that he was coming. Now tell me where does this contradict science...
No ant's do not shake there ''buts'' they actually have high frequency sound so meaning they are talking. But the verse says communicate. Can you proof that ''ancient'' people knew this.. If you cannot you lied again
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Now tell me which person 1470/1420years ago knew that ants can communicate between each other???
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I never said creation needs time... Wow again your putting words in my mouth i never uttered.
God is measuring time for us not for itself, he created time remember?
He is not need of time if he created it.. this is called LOGIC???
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Thanks for showing your stupid, your the only one who can ask questions yet you never answered.
It has not only been seized on by non-Muslims to ‘prove’ that Islam is a cruel and abusive faith, but it also been taken by abusive ‘Muslim’ husbands as an excuse to vent their spleen on their unfortunate wives. (so you guys are in the same boat there)
You expect a explanation of a verse or a story in simple 400lines this is impossible so send me a PM!
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis no, it doesn't.. just says they are "beautiful of eye"... tut tut.
and i doubt you have ever read the second part of that particular Hadith, where it goes on to stipulate about men,
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis If you make a claim quote the whole verse in its context and don't interpret it as how you want it, it shows how weak you are and what kind of person you are
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Surah 27:18 dosn't talk about polictial leaders you liar, it speaks about that the ant's communicated because Sulayman(pbuh) was walking around.
Its proven in science that Ants do communicate now tell me which person knew this in that time?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis
"God has promised the believers, both men and women gardens through which running waters flow, therein to abide, and goodly dwellings in gardens of perpetual bliss: but God's goodly acceptance is the greatest
for this, this is the triumph supreme!" Surah At-Taubah 9:72
just for men, did you say?
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis actually there is according to the Qur'an. In Arabic, the word "Hur" is in fact asexual, it applies to both males and females - plural "ayan", is also the same. You clearly need to research before you shoot that simple mouth of yours off.
furthermore, I am a single mother - so no "male master", while attempting to obtaining a degree, so i contest your assertion i am deficient in intelligence.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Again what is the definition of outside of time, that time dosn't effect you. It dosn't mean he lives next to time or is in next time. As i said a creator of something cannot be in need of its creation.
Your trying to put words in my mouth by twisting words, while i never said them.
You have to Send me a personal message for the 100th time. i will not reply here any-more, i will respond on all your personal messages
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I am not sure where you get the 50,000days, everyone can interpret verses in a literal way while the verse it self tells us to read it in a spiritual way..
Please send me a personal message, to many people are interfering
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis silly child, do your research - unbiased and balanced for a change. The idea that "Houri" meant virgin, was actually established around 300 years after the death of Muhammad.
mumfirst17 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Can you tell me what you mean by the surah 27:18 that you do not understand?
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis So your argument is based on when something is physical the creation of that physical needs to be physical?? That argument is not valid.
The quran dosn't say a god day is exual to 50,000 human years. God doesn't live in time but out-side of it, he created time, materials and all the things.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis It doesn't say virgin female its meant as woman's who are pure as a virgin it was meant in a spiritual way that's why i told you some of the English we have no contradicts the quran and science we have.
There are no Physical laws in heaven and you call it nature law not physcial.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
What I simply can't understand is why a god would issue vague commands and if you misunderstand them you fry for eternity.
This all-merciful god is ok sending billions to eternal torture. Even though it is the god who could not manage to create humans who believe.
So humans are punished for a mistake the god makes. And no, we don't have free will. It is not my own choice.
StopSpamming1 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The argument was from Shamoun and Shamoun was exposed as a liar for saying he was a ex-muslim. But he lied about that part the media exposed him so now he can't work for the church any-more.
I am going to sleep now so i will answer when i have time
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I have refuted your Quranic verse you claimed to be in contradiction with science.
And i also told you the hadith you quoted can't be found as a authorized hadith it stops at 90
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis I don't think your reading what i am saying...
Wait.. some Christians call the pope holy does that make him holy?
Its the same argument you bring forward.
We are not having a debate because i am not asking you anything.
QuickReply on the heaven-part: Yes spiritually like the hadith you quoted that can't be founded there can also be in the spiritual world or even speak metaphorically
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ps: its funny how you said you didn't follow a religion but yet you bring your arguments based on Christian videos, articles and sources
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis If you have real questions send me a personal message please, i don't like wasting my time going back to this page.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis - This Hadith is not found in any revised or online addition of Sunan Abu Dawood collection:
- Book 30. 'Dialects and Readings of the Quran (Kitab Al-Huruf Wa Al-Qiraat)' of Sunan Abu-Dawud: Ends with Hadith No. 3990
- Book 31. 'Hot Baths (Kitab Al-Hammam)' of Sunan Abu-Dawud: of Sunan Abu-Dawud: Starts with Hadith No. 3998
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Bear in mind that i don't have always time to respond or can simply forget about this video-section that's why i asked you to send me a personal message.
But ill try to respond to your questions when i see them and have time for them,
Peace.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
(PART 2)
18:86. Until, when he reached the westing of the sun, he found it westing in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."
Now we see that the verse doesn't contradict science and only says that Dhul-Qarnain reached the west at the time of sunset.
Now if you have more questions please send me a personal message.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis The problem isn't that the Quran is contradicting science, rather English language contradicts science! In English there is no scientifically correct expression for sunset or sunrise! In Arabic the word west has a verb form but in English there isn't such verb, so to correctly translate the meaning of the verse, we should add a 'westing' verb to English and use it: Read Part 2
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis First you have to answer me.. if i am going to answer you are going you to call me a liar or have a discussion about it and see who's right or wrong?
Please send me this question on a personal message so i can write more text to explain.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Thanks for supporting my claim
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Just by your responds i can see your true nature, and not willing to debate or discuss religion.
If you really want to talk about religion send me a personal message
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ps: If you want to have a discussion please send me a personal message so we can type in more text...
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Again your stupidy shows error. For claiming violence on a religion you have to look on the scriptures where is no act of violence in the quran only direct commands when mohammed(saws) was in battle.
While we read in other books how prophets and messengers killed 1000's of people who were innocent this isn't in the quran, yes you can quote hadiths if you want but muslims can refuse to accept those hadiths because its not revelation
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Ps: If muslims should kill other people there wont be 1,5bil people left you stupid moron, everyone can put verses out of there context and certainly out of there historical context.
You forget that christanity was the most violence religion ever existed i can quote verses in there context that talks about violence where in the other hand the quran talks about a specific time when the jews and pagans attack mohammed(saws) and he was commanded to fight
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Stop barking like a puppy and have a real debate if you dare.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Then go kill them you stupid idiot i know your a atheist stop wasting my time
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Can you stop pretending your a muslim? Please your just mocking yourself...
It says when the jews attack you, where did they attack the muslims in general no-where it also speaks in the past no where is in Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6984 the future or judgement day called.
And as i said not all hadiths are authorized and you cant accept the ones that contradict the quran (if they do)
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis If i am going to say yes or no will you keep replying on this video-section or rather send me a personal message with questions?
I don't like posting information on this video sections as i don't have enough text to post so please send me a message. Also before you send me a message read everything in its context before even quoting the hadiths or quranic verses
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Are you a moron.. it says the jews will attack us and we will fight back and be victories this is what Sahih Muslim Book 041, Hadith Number 6984. says:
Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@Lizzio1980 Ps: you dont even know the definition of kafir not kufr, also people can either accept hadiths or disclaim them the most important to belief in is the quran.
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.
Its speaking what will happen
Lizzio1980 1 month ago
@HamzaAndreasTzortzis And you are a moron. Please shut up and ban yourself from the religious videos next time
Lizzio1980 1 month ago