Richard Dawkins Ben Stein Part #1

[glebe9]

Sir, you are a simpleton. Your god is indeed a delusion. All the gods are a delusion. Scientific discovery has shown us that we were not created in a god's image. Try googling the evidence at the national museum of Ethiopia. You accuse Dawkins of ignoring you, yet you ignore facts & simply adopt the absurd 'god of the gaps' stance. It is you who are close-minded - there is no evidence that there was a creation.....evolution by natural selection has been proved. Science has moved on, you have not

[TacoBurgher327]

And absolute is a word YOUR putting on life. I'm still not sure what your talking about. again, absolute isn't a word scientists use to often, so i'm not sure what your getting at. Sure we can say were here in reality, well some of us can...... because we can see and feel and react and discuss, but its not an absolute, in the sense it HAS to be here. It doesn't and even if life wasn't here, to observe the universe, the universe could still be here.

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

I don't claim to be a scientist. I claim there are absolutes in this world. I claim that the study of God is just as much a scientific study as it is a religious one. I'm not saying that life has to be here. I'm saying,or asserting that life absolutely,most certainly is here. The universe is apart of the life that I'm talking about when I use the word life.

Why do you defend the faith (I only call it a faith because it is) called Atheism when you're really an Agnostic?

[glebe9]

@DeistReality Atheism is NOT, I repeat NOT a faith. That's like saying not smoking is an addictive habit. Atheism SIMPLY means a lack of belief in gods. You choose to get on a religious bus, i do not get on the bus....so i'm not religious. Get it now?

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality and it seems you LOVE asserting things. Atheism is a faith, Life is an absolute, god is a force, I'm young, i mean is there anything you DON'T assert????

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

YOU SHOULD TALK!

[TacoBurgher327]

"I have a plan, that has been revealed to me."

You, everyone who wrote the bible, every preacher, every theist, pretty much everyone who believes in a god says this. You can't all be right, but you can all be wrong.....

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

That's right friend and my plan is very simple. Instead of denying this Force,or Power that made everything,or in your case everything is here because of this Force,or Power why not teach people the proper path of understanding IT. You should take a look at Antony Flew who spent his whole life preaching the faith called Atheism then died a Deist.

All of life is here because of nothing. Talk about "God Delusion"!

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality No one is saying we came from nothing. Please stop saying that.

Ok, so your saying "it has been revealed to ME." Why you? Why you so special and I'm not granted the "special" power from above? And, why, if your the only one who has access to this "power" should i trust you and not think your just a lunatic who hears voices in his head??

Again, until PROOF of IT is real, IT IS NOT REAL..........

Flew changed his view, sure, but there was only ONE reason he looked at a

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327 I just reveled the essence of my plan to you, now if you agree with the truths of this plan then you have the right to say that you have a plan that was reveled to you from God. See how being a prophet of God works? When we realize that we all are prophet of God there'll be no need to single any one person with this title.

God being intelligent,or not makes no difference, all of our knowledge collectively,or individually comes from this Force that IMO man rightly calls God.

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality So, if you can trick and conform people to believe what you've said, then you can claim god's world reveled to you?? Did i read that correctly? Because, again, you are in no way proving god has spoken to you OTHER then saying "god has spoken to me" There's a word for people who hear voices in their head......

Your problem with everyone being a prophet, is their pushing WAY different ideals and beliefs then your pushing. Again, you can't all be right, but you can all be wrong

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327 You've got to lighten up friend and stop assuming you know what I'm all about. The key words in my comment above for you are "if you agree with the truths of this plan". There's no "trickery" here as its all up to you to agree,or not.

Do you really think that telling people that there is no God (when you yourself get insulted when I suggest that you think all of life comes from nothing) will help remove the dangerous faiths (including Atheism) of the world?

[DeistReality]

@DeistReality

"Again, you can't all be right, but you can all be wrong" this comment includes you I'm assuming as you're apart of the all as well. There're absolutes in this world,Life is one of them and as you say Life can't come from nothing making this Force,Power,Energy,Source of all living things that the billions of us rightly call God real.

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality Please just explain what you mean by "there are absolutes and life is one of them." Give me another example of an absolute.

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

I'm using the word "absolute" as 100% positively certain,and no person of reason can deny. Another example would be our conversation right now. It's absolutely real that it's taking place. I may have many assumption on who,or what you are,but I'm absolutely 100% positively certain that you're real. In like manner that God is real.

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality Well, sure, this conversation and file is an absolute to an extent. But, again, were talking about things with physical properties, evidence, and testable data. we can SEE were having the conversation, we see life all over the planet. again, tangable things, so i fail to see the corilation between things with evidence, real things, and assuming this god.

[TacoBurgher327]

@TacoBurgher327 ha ha so who's in the corner bub? You can't compare an absolute, like life, when we have evidence for life, then say "since life's an absolute, the force that created life has to be real too." No, no it doesn't. again, as you have done over and over again, YOUR ASSERTING THIS "FORCE" We have no evidence for it, nothing tangible, NOTHING but your "word" he is real. You can't compare the two.......

Plus i've already disproved life as an absolute n u didn't touch that one either :)

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality I'd also disagree that we know for 100% certainty that were real. I do not believe this, but for the sake of argument, maybe were a thought of this "god" Maybe some intelligence created a super computer and were a product of that. ha ha very unlikely, i'll grant you that, but only thiests say we know for 100% sure, hence why no one should trust them. Give evidence of just be quiet. No one believes you hear voices from god you wack job

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

Staying true to your faith I see. Usually when I corner an Atheist (mostly young ones) they revert to name calling. Showing the world the potential dangers of your faith. Like calling others who don't agree with your epistemology mean spirited names makes you smarter in some way.

Let's put our trust into your mindset and say there're no absolutes,"the matrix mentality". You people don't realize that everything you're against you in fact are.

I never said that I hear voices!!

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality ha ha you keep calling atheism a faith. Atheism is the LACK OF FAITH, so by definition, isn't a faith. But you keep on calling it one, as if someday it mayyyy come true.

You haven't cornered anyone into anything, you have yet to present anything. Your stating "life is an absolute" and "i hear voices from god" This isn't anything. When i persist to ask how can you compare god to life, as in we can test life, observe life, have DATA for life, you didn't even try to answer it.

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327 @TacoBurgher327

When scientists study an unknown phenomenon,quantum physics,quantum flux,black holes.....they start by giving their hypothesis,their theories a name so that they can try to explain these potential truth to others.

You said yourself that life doesn't come from nothing,and almost agreed that life was an absolute. God can just be a word,a title that helps us understand where the phenomenon of life comes from. A word that means different thing to different people.

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality Right off the bat, a black hole is NOT AN UNKNOWN PHENOMENON. i mean look up definitions home boy. We have a very good understanding of why black holes form and how they form. unknown phenomenon, what UNIVERSE are you in???? and again, quantum physics has things you can study. physical, REAL things. What don't you get?? These WOULDN'T be studied by scientists if they were an unknown phenomena. YOUR ASSERTING A FORCE.

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327 I used these examples because I didn't want to take the time to investigate a new scientific phenomenon,hypothesis that's out there,named, that one day will be as real as the examples given. At one point these examples given were just thoughts. They were named to get the ball rolling on the reality of them.

Is it that far of a stretch to assert that life comes from a force,power,energy and that one is so grateful to be here that we honor this whatever the title of God?

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality I should talk, i know what i'm talking about.

Its funny, cause you seem to think there was a theory of atoms BEFORE atoms were thought to exist. Like no one thought of black holes till there was evidence of black holes. ahem, still waiting for gods evidence. and this literally made me laugh "I don't claim to be a scientist. I claim that the study of God is just as much a scientific study as it is a religious one. "

what are you basing that claim on?? cause its wrong......

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality You wanna find god, sure, go ahead, but until there is something substantial to where WE can go look for go TOGETHER, its not a scientific pursuit. By definition, by the way, that's not my opinion. That's science's approach to god. Saying "god dun it" does nothing for the species, it only satisfies the self.....

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality AND you still haven't touched on any of the falsehoods i made about your claims.

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

You seem smart but your reasoning skills are not capable of understanding the God concept. Even if in your mind you see no reason for God,you can't even grasp why other people who do believe,believe.

I'll try again, because I think you're worth it. All of life is here because Something brought it into existence. That Something I call God. This Force God must be eternal because reason tells us that you can't make something from nothing. You're part of my proof for a God.

[DeistReality]

@DeistReality

Now that life is the proof of a First Cause Eternal Force that all of life is a product of and that IMO man rightly calls God how do we study "IT"?

We start by studying the things that God has made,or in your case the things that comes from this Something that at this time you refuse to call God,or you refuse to even recognize.

You wont defend the belief in God,but you'll sure as hell defend the non belief in one.

All of life comes from the god that isn't right?

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality "All of life is here because Something brought it into existence. " Prove it........

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality "we start by studying the things god has made" like what?? "or in my case things that come from this Something" I don't think YOU even know what your talking about anymore. Simple astronomy can tell you how galaxies form, and how black holes form, we know the suns a star, very ordinary in fact, we have proof of other planets, we know that accretion happens in space. I mean, these are logical, understandable studies. so what has god made????

[glebe9]

@DeistReality Which god are you on about then? There are about 5000 to choose from - do you worship Shiva, Ganesh, Odin, Apollo, Zeus???? If you don't believe those gods exist, then you are an atheist too in respect of those gods. By the way, Ben Stein edited that video to push his deceiptful creationist agenda.

[glebe9]

@DeistReality Who made your god?

[glebe9]

@DeistReality You keep saying that being atheist is a faith. So, does that mean that because I don't fly planes, I'm a pilot. Hey yeah, I've also never bungy-jumped, so that must mean i partake in dangerous sports too? I think you need to understand what you are talking about before making silly videos.

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality :) Keep calling atheism a faith as if you say it enough, it will make it true. I am telling people, look at the evidence and judge for yourself. Your saying "I've had a vision from god." yes, your "tricking" people into thinking someone or something has "touched" you. I actually care about humanity and the direction we go as a species, while your trying to make people think your a bronze age prophet. And on top of it all, your praising an ACTOR for making an anti evolution movie.

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327 I'm praising Ben Stein? You have missed the point because your concept of God is stuck in the Abrahamic mindset. If God is real then to not believe,and to tell others to do the same is certainly a faith,a religion.

If all of life wasn't here then maybe you'd have a leg to stand on with your Atheism. A word,title that you people turned into something it doesn't mean. The direction of "Atheism" will change the world? Read the Age of Reason and why Paine really wrote it.

[TacoBurgher327]

and did i hear a "scientifical" thrown in there? 2:46 .......

[DeistReality]

@TacoBurgher327

What are you trying to say. Did you understand my terminology,or not?

[TacoBurgher327]

until evidence is provided, IT was made up in our heads.......

[OhReallyNoWai]

The first line of your movie description "We're here because of an infinite chain of events that must be just as infinite." That is already an assumption. So far nobody knows how everything started, some have theories, and others are even convinced to have the truth, but none can prove it. To me it is just an unknown.. of course I would like to know the answer, but making things up and believing things based on assumptions isn't going to help.

[Mosheye]

Why is it when verifying your quote I only find: "Every science has for its basis a system of principles as fixed and unalterable as those by which the universe is regulated and governed. Man cannot make principles; he can only discover them."

I also notice a lack of references to your quote. So...could you provide one?

[MRP0k3rs]

zzzzz

[FortheLuIz]

"i have a plan that has been revealed to me" o.0  r u the ghost of Joseph Smith?

[DeistReality]

@FortheLuIz A revelation is just " a surprising and previously unknown fact, esp. one that is made known in a dramatic way".

If you've watched my video on "I am the Christ Prophet" you'd get an idea of what I'm trying to say.

This Force,Power,or Source of all things (God) reveals absolute truths to all every moment of our lives. Whether you think these "revelations" are deliberate,or intentional (Theism),or not (Atheism) the fact still remains that you learned something from this, "God".

[TacoBurgher327]

@DeistReality deity for an explanation, "My one and only piece of relevant evidence, is the apparent impossibility of providing a naturalistic theory of the origin from DNA of the first reproducing species.

Impossible isn't a word to scientists. Sure we may not know NOW, but it was only 300 years ago when we though disease was a "demon from Satan taking over your body." Germs?? Psh No Way, IT HAD TO BE GOD, RIGHT?????

pleading ignorance and accepting science SO FAR are not the same thing....

[TacoBurgher327]

@TacoBurgher327 The only thing you said relevant to ANYTHING so far is "God being intelligent,or not makes no difference" Your right, it's not important, and we'll never ever ever prove or disprove god. So why not take him out of the equation and prove and disprove REAL THINGS. Tangible things, things that will improve humans as a species, not just you as an individual.

[bersa888]

Wrong precepts, wrong conclusions

[GodKillerAtheist]

"It" could have been a bit in a mathematical pattern that made "It" happen not a person or God.

Deism isn't the answer its just more unprovable superstition

[Stringprodigy]

See, I don't believe there is a prime mover. I believe that we are here because of natural processes.  As Lawrence Krauss says, nothing is never really nothing. Do some reading on quantum mechanics/subatomic particle theory, and you will eventually understand that 0=0 is impossible. If God does exist, (or Gods), then they have no care for us, otherwise why are there earthquakes, tsunamis, famine, AIDS, rape, war etc etc etc? If a God truly loved and cared for us, we wouldn't be so miserable.

[Stringprodigy]

that a God exists with 100% certainty because we have no definitive proof. We have no evidence which points to a God. Nobody can provide that evidence and that proof. Even though the existence of God is highly improbable, I will NOT assert that God does or does not exist. It's the equivalent of asserting that aliens exist. If you make that claim, you have to back it up if you want anybody to think you're not insane.I'm not going to believe in aliens without proof, so why would I believe in God?

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

We come from something don't we? Yes we don't know what it is that we come from,but we're here just the same. Again, God is just a pointer word that means different things to different people. We all have faith on who,or what this Prime Mover is, including you.

How can God be improbable when your here to prove otherwise?

I'm talking about the God of Nature,or Life. Who created God is what we're talking about when we use this word,or title God....

[DeistReality]

The creator of the "all" that in reference to itself has no beginning,and in like manner will have no end. I know you guys/girls are bright enough to understand the concept if not for yourself at least others who feel God is much more then just an IT.

We name it because we know that we didn't come from nothing,as the Atheist seems to imply. The proof is in God's favor because the Creation,Life,Nature is real.

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

Look on Mr. Dawkins site.

He asks for money.

He has an A for Atheism emblem,or logo.

Mr. Dawkins,and his cohorts (including Rick Warren) write all kinds of books on the god that isn't.

They group together in hopes of spreading this god that isn't.

Its a religion of denial that they spread as truth,and they got you in such a fog of faith that you can't even see that its a religion in its own right.

We're real so God is. And really we didn't come from a pink unicorn.

[Stringprodigy]

Again, you fundamentally misunderstand Dawkins' position and about what atheism is. Dawkins' mission is to loosen the grip of organized religion, not to undermine deists. Deism has no associated dogma with which to control people and to brainwash people into embracing fundamentalism, so Dawkins does not attack it. Also, you find some of Dawkins' "followers" to be rude? How ironic, with you putting words into other peoples mouths and calling them things they are not. Take a look in the mirror

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

Right, thats why he writes a book, "The God Delusion",or comments that Antony Flew is "less intellectual" because leaves this planet believing in a God. Why don't you watch this video here where he says God is completely incompatible with anythings he's said.

Mr. Dawkins is on a dog God campaign,and his campaign includes the God of Nature,the God of Life,the God that we're a product of,the God that is,and you know it,so why say otherwise?

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

0=0 is true when I have nothing,and you give me nothing,then I still have nothing. 0=0 is impossible because nothingness only makes sense when you have something to compare nothingness to. Nothing is only nothing because Something (whatever that Something is) makes it so.

You,and Lawrence Krauss will find God when you say 0=0 is impossible. Again your only understanding of God is what the Abrahamic faiths tell you because you have selective hearing.

[Stringprodigy]

You're the one propagating your faith.See every single video upload you have for details. Not once have I promoted atheism. I have only told you what it is and what it is not. Me not believing in your God or the Abrahamic God is NOT a religion. I didn't even choose to not believe. I just have no reason to in the first place.All I have tried to do is to get you to justify your condescending, patronizing attitude towards atheists for simply not believing in YOUR brand of religion you are selling

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

I like to say that I'm propagating the reality of Deism (God). Deism is my religion,and I do have some faith on the matter,but it doesn't require faith to know God is.

You're my proof of God,(being part of the Creation) and yet you actively deny my claim that "God is" even though you don't care what I believe. You see no reason to believe in a Primal Mover yourself, yet you see a reason to defend the belief that there is no Primal Mover?

You call it "IT",and I call it God.

[Stringprodigy]

Actually I didn't block you from commenting on my channel. I have it set to 'friends only'. Don't flatter yourself. Plus, I don't need people spamming my chennel with nonsense. You get cut off a lot because you don't make ANY sense at all. You can't back up your claims with good reasoning or even a molecule of evidence to support yoru wild assertions. Also, I am not on your channel propogating my faith at all. Not once have I promoted atheism in my comments. You don't need to lie.

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

Spamming is what your doing here with all of your Atheist talk thats not defending anything. I never tried to comment once on your channel with my "nonsense". I subscribed to your channel days ago,and have just found that you blocked me when I saw that I wasn't subscribed anymore. I'm seeing a side of you that you claim of me,and look your back,and can still comment here where your so welcome.

[Stringprodigy]

Atheist talk? LOL. Where is all of this alleged "atheist talk"? Also, what do you mean "Primal Mover"? You mean Prime Mover? Also, I don't call anything "IT". Don't put words into my mouth, thanks. You fail to understand both Dawkins and my position with respect to deism.Dawkins has NEVER said a deist God DOES NOT exist. I have NEVER said a deist God DOES NOT exist. I am an agnostic atheist because you cannot prove OR disprove the existence of a God or Gods. It is not logical to assert...

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

You're an Agnostic who defends the faith called Atheism.

Don't know if there's a God,but I'll defend the stance that there is no God "actively". You, like Richard Dawkins have no clue what you believe in on matters of God so you should just say nothing on the matter.

Its Agnostic dogma when you say "you cannot prove OR disprove the existence of a God". How do you know that? Where's your proof of that statement when I'm physical proof of an "Infinite Source" that I call God.

[glebe9]

@DeistReality I happen to know that there are tap-dancing Hobbits on Andromeda. On Fridays, they make cup cakes & play chess with sticks of celery.....I know this because it's been 'revealed to me' - You can't disprove it!!! Sounds silly doesn't it? Right back atcha!



[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

You asked me why I don't go on Mr. Dawkins forum,and post my views as you block me from your own channel for the things I say here? Your not the first Atheist (this would include those of the Abrhamic faith) who cuts me off. I've been on Atheist Stickham vlog/blogs,and have been cut off more then once. With the exception of Brett Keane who so far is the only Atheist who lets me speak. He may not agree,but at least he lets me talk,giving me some hope for your faith of Atheistm.

[Stringprodigy]

Get over yourself, DR, and get some help for your mental health issues. Your family will be undoubtedly grateful. Bye for good.

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

What's "ridiculous" is defining a word,or title when the majority of self professed Deist don't even fit under the definition of the word,or title defined.

Logically incoherent to me is when you see no reason to believe in God,and then you defend the opposite thought of what you see no reason to believe in. Again like the Christian you both defend the god that isn't. Yours is the religion of denial that has nothing to offer the world.

You'll be back. Till then peace.

[Stringprodigy]

Also, DR, just because deists have certain beliefs about God does not make the Oxford dictionary flawed. That is the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever heard. Such brain-dead, abstract, logically incoherent thinking, it is utterly astonishing that you actually believe the words that you say. Even when presented with sound logic and reason, you still remain arrogantly defiant in your views without even considering for one second anything that anyone else has to say. I almost feel bad for you

[Stringprodigy]

"I've talked with many Deists,and history has shown that most not all pure Deists (we're all Deists who believe God is,but its the true,or pure Deist who follows the path of Deism) believes that God plays an "active" role in ?/Her/His Creation making your Oxford dictionary flawed"

MY Oxford dictionary? LOL! It is certainly not MY dictionary, and no dictionary on Earth presents the definitions you do, making YOU the one whose definitions are fundamentally flawed. THAT is intellectual dishonesty

[Stringprodigy]

Also, anyone that claims they have superior knowledge over a credible source such as the Oxford English dictionary is a narcissistic, pompous, intellectually dishonest fool. Oh and I've got a question for you. How much about Dawkins do you actually know? Have you read even 1 page of any of his books, or do you just go by what you've seen on Youtube? Based on your spiteful snipes at Dawkins, and other odd comments, it's clear that you know next to nothing about him.

[DeistReality]

I've read the God Delusion,but could use a refresher read. My opinion of him is changing from what lectures I see on YouTube,TED,and other media.

I like him for the most part,but as you would expect I don't like his attacks on Deists. He hit a cord with me years ago,and as you can see by this interview here that its OK when he speculates what the Primal Mover is,but if you call it God your "strident",or "less intellectual".

I'm finding him hypocritical,and some of his followers rude.

[Stringprodigy]

I don't know who I am? Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! LMAO! YOu're a "pure" deist are ya? Who gave yourself that self important title? Oh, it was you and only you. More evidence that you are a deluded, mentally ill man who cannot live with the fact that other people don't subscribe to your wacky views. Anyone can hear the disdain, the anger, the frustration, the hate in your voice when you speak about atheists. Why can't you just believe in what you do and let us not believe?

[DeistReality]

Stringpro

I really don't hate Adeists who are by default Atheists. God can't be active in your life (Atheism) if you don't believe in God (Adeism).

Remember my friend you're on my channel actively propagating your faith,or your religion that isn't a religion. I don't care that you're an Atheist. I'm not going to set around while you people dog those who have a reality in God in most cases in a mean,and demeaning manner. 

What are you doing here on my channel telling me that God isn't?

[DeistReality]

"YOu're a "pure" deist are ya? Who gave yourself that self important title?"

"How different is [Christianity] to the "pure" and simple profession of Deism! The "true" Deist has but one Deity, and his religion consists in contemplating the power, wisdom, and benignity of the Deity in his works, and in endeavoring to imitate him in everything moral, scientifical, and mechanical."

"............ and that has in it every evidence of divine originality, is "pure" and simple Deism.

Thomas Paine

[Stringprodigy]

You are batshit crazy. Sorry, but there is no use arguing with someone like you who for some odd reason thinks it's normal to spend his life making videos against atheists, as if we have done something to you. Live and let live, and don't push your batshit crazy ideas onto other people. There's a reason why people like you only spread their ideas on Youtube and not in the real world.  I know you wouldn't have the guts to advertise this "deist reality" with the same conviction to your family

[Stringprodigy]

Not to mention fundamentally flawed. I highly doubt you spread your insane dogma in the real world. Being an absolutist with wild, untethered beliefs is empirically illogical. Anyways, hope you get some professional help for your issues.

[Stringprodigy]

According to the Oxford English dictionary:

theism - belief in the existence of a god or gods, specifically of a creator who intervenes in the universe

deism - belief in the existence of a supreme being, specifically of a creator who DOES NOT INTERVENE in the universe.

atheism - the belief that God does not exist.

adeism - not listed (hmmmm, wonder why that would be - maybe because it's such an absurdly illogical stance that it is not even recognized as a word)

Your arguments are bunk!

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

Adeism isn't a word because no one in their right mind would deny the fact that we come from something. That something I call God.

You can call it quantum flux,subatomic atoms,eternal regression,universe,substance,­but even these for me seem like a product of some kind. Unicorns,fairies,celestial teapots is "intellectually dishonesty". God is just a pointer word that starts us off on a grateful path of understanding. We all have our faiths (theories) on the matter,even you!

[Stringprodigy]

One critical error in your arguments is that they lack anything resembling sound reasoning and logic, not to mention substantive evidence to back up your assertions. Another critical error is the way you make up your own definitions for things that are already defined by many well respected academic sources. You are NOT above these sources. Sign up at Dawkins' forum and see how well your stance holds up there. Seriously, if you think your stance is so strong, present it there and call him out

[DeistReality]

I've talked with many Deists,and history has shown that most (not all) pure Deists (we're all Deists who believe God is,but its the true,or pure Deist who follows the path of Deism) believes that God plays an "active" role in ?/Her/His Creation making your Oxford dictionary flawed. The word Atheism itself has many definitions that the "active" Atheist uses to propagate their faith,or religion.

You like Mr Dawkins don't even know what you are. Again, Agnostics who actively defend Atheism.

[DeistReality]

Stringprodigy

If someone sees no reason to believe in God you'd think that you'd see no reason to defend the opposite stance so strongly,and mean spirited. You stay true to your faith like your cohort Mr. Dawkins here. Your an Agnostic defending the faith called Atheism who really is Adeist.

Deism= God is

Theism= God's active in ones life

Atheism= God's not active in ones life

Adeism= God isn't

You have an Abrahamic faith view of God, thats all you know,and thats all you care to know.

[Stringprodigy]

You couldn't be more wrong. First of all, you still have failed to address even one of the valid points I've made. You just ignore points made when you can't answer them in an intellectually honest manner. I am an atheist who is agnostic towards the existence of a deist God, not an adeist. Also, YOU have faith in a deist God. I have NO faith. A non-belief is not "faith". As I clearly explained to you before using supportive logic and reason, I am not an adeist, and I hold no Abrahamic faith

[Stringprodigy]

Grateful path of understanding? Are you serious? Thanks oh holy one for letting Hitler kill those 6 million Jews! Thanks your holy highness for the earthquake that just killed 100,000 in Haiti. Thank you so much God dearest for female genital mutilation, suicide bombers, and AIDS! Get a grip on reality, DR.

[DeistReality]

Just start with, thank you God for my (your) very existence? Say, I'll work hard to insure that others of your Creation feel just as blessed. Say, its not about me,its not about science,its about all of your works found in the Creation the pure Deist sacred text (metaphorically speaking).

I know I dog the Christian,but they do hold some truths,and one of them is open your heart to the Lord. Not Lord Jesus,just Lord God. Know that you really are the Christ child Jesus talked about.

I'm done!

[Stringprodigy]

You call that something God, but that doesn't mean everybody else should. I call it the product of quantum flux. Watch the Lawrence Krauss vid A Universe From Nothing. Also, your definitions of atheism are your own wild concoctions, not what the actual definitions are. The problem is not people not believing in God, the problem is people like you who insert God where a lack of knowledge exists. You are close-minded to any other explanation than God, so debating you is utterly pointless.

[DeistReality]

God is just a pointer word that starts the pure Deist on a grateful path of understanding. I did watch this vid of Lawrence Krauss,and find him amazing,and could have listened to him all day,and I believe he could have talked all day. People like this reassure my belief in God,and the world is blessed to have him among us IMO.

I think the Adeist (todays Atheist) should look at this title,or word God that we give the seemingly unknowable "IT" that all of life is a product of more closely.

[Stringprodigy]

Dawkins will never contact you by the way. He has better things to do with his time, and he has easily defeated much much tougher opponents than you, a man who claims to know what good science is and is not, yet you do not even know how to properly use "your" and "their". Considering these basic faults in your command of English, how would you expect to beat Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris etc, who have much higher intelligence and much more educational and vocational qualifications than you?

[enlighten09]

stringypodgy stop believing your own hype, Stein made Dawkins look the fool he is . Wisdom and what is regarded as intelligence by your standards are very different .

[Stringprodigy]

It's Stringprodigy. Maybe you should learn how to spell before questioning someone's level of intelligence. Thanks, kid. ;)

[enlighten09]

I figured you were a slight bit more intelligent than your reply suggests you are. You want and hunger for people to believe you are so intelligent and that proves you are lacking wisdom , what is the point of intelligence without wisdom ?

[enlighten09]

If I was the deluded one I would lose it when someone merely questions me , like you did : ) .

[Stringprodigy]

By the way, don't put words in my mouth. I don't call what you call God "IT". I call that a "fairy tale character". You infer that "IT" is an entity and assert that it is an eternal life force with zero evidence to back up your crazy assertions. Quantum flux leading to the Big Bang is a much more plausible explanation for the origin of the Universe than God. Watch 'A Universe From Nothing' by Lawrence Krauss for a basic outline of this.

[Stringprodigy]

A 'scientifical' study? LMAO! You are clearly intellectually inept. Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and the like would easily school you. Hell, I can school you, so why would they even consider contacting you?

[DeistReality]

Yes I'm sure these very bright men who seem to be so smart that they all miss the obvious could teach me. They expect all the Abrahamic faiths to put down their faith,and don't even realize the dangers of their own. LOL all day long my Adeist brother,thanks to God (whatever God is) your here to do so.

These people are wasting their time with their Atheist approach,and their so bright they can't even see that.

Why don't you tell me how we all got here? I call it God, you call it "IT" .

[Stringprodigy]

Atheism is not a faith. By definition it is a lack of belief in a deity. Atheism is not an approach either. That's like saying I have some kind of "approach" for not believing in the tooth fairy or Santa Claus. Ridiculous and logically incoherent. Why am I responsible for telling you how we got here? Like you, I can't know for sure, but I'm not about to insert God as a placeholder for a lack of knowledge.

[DeistReality]

Atheism has at least two definitions,and for me their both ones faith on the matter,and to say Atheism isn't a title that shows a certain approach (faith,or religion) of understanding the Infinite,"God" to me is "logically incoherent".

Atheism

1. God's not active in your life

2. There is no God.

If you think that there is no God then you're an Atheist by default for how can God be active in your life if you think there's no God.

We're a product of something. I call that something God.........

[DeistReality]

.....If you,or I being part of the Creation,"life" weren't here talking about it (absolutely nothingness is all there is) then I could see where it would be up to the "active" Deist to prove that God is. Since reality,and reason tell us that we are indeed here then its up to you, the "active" Atheist to prove that there is no God.

Like the Christian you're trapped in a heavy fog of faith that embraces the god that isn't. You do this "religiously"(to bind) in hopes that others will do the same.

[KingKolunikus]

The "universal life force" you're speaking of is simply the laws of nature working in a way that allows for complex structures to develop gradually from simpler ones. No one denies that the universe is awesome, but please acknowledge that calling the universe "universe" instead of "God" doesn't make it any less awesome. Introducing any random factor (such as a god who specifically created it that way) only limits our understanding and lessens the amounts of awesomeness we can yet discover.

[wizardofozar]

The thing that annoys me about this video, is you assume that there is an IT, or God. When there is absolutely no proof of that. All religions have been proven false, and when they are the excuse is .. oh that story is just meant to teach a lesson. No one knows how the Universe was created, but to say God did it is foolish. Than what created God?

[nightwish9191]

wow....crazyman...go fuck yourself with your fairy tales and santa and god and whatever

[fsxmantra]

You remind me of some biblical figure overlooking an arid desert. Would have been a great sermon if only you wear your cap backward and some rap music in the background, dude.

[bandaidmafia]

Great video brother!

[ManOnTheMoon09]

Dude, get an education!

Faith is bullshit!

Learn from those who SEEK the truth, run away from those who CLAIM to have found it.

DeistDreamer, I run away from you.....

[ThePissedOff]

Great video dude.