I think these were made after the safety revisions in around 1994 - Pre '94 models were given 'below average' protection for occupants. As far as I know, revisions gave 'above average' protection for occupants. BUT note!..
1) This is a head on crash, so any impact will have a 'stable' deformation, as opposed to offset.
2) The speed is around 30mph hence the reason why it doesn't appear to deform severely.
Its tricky but I still think that it may only score a 3 star with NCAP. ANCAP rules...
...are slightly different and the speeds are greater (more realistic). These Holdens were equivalent to the Omega/Carlton/Senator cars in UK/Europe (as with all GM stock, aesthetic changes to the face and tail are used but NO changes to the chassis) and their safety was questionable then.
I 100% guarantee you that if this was given the NCAP treatment, the offset crash test would show a very, very poor rating.. I mean, look at the how thin the A-Pillars are.
This was a head-on at 30mph, an offset at 40mph would be brutal.
@TheSaintST1 i can in some sort of ways see what you mean by this, I had a VS Commodore myself and I was only recently involved in an accident which i t boned another vehicle at 80 km/h, and i walked away with out a scratch and my car didnt have an air bag. I might be one of the lucky ones but its something tho towards the structual integrity of the car.
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@mitchp85 depends really mate, I had a VS like urs i assume and earlier this year i totalled it and walked away without a scratch, having said that tho, the car that ran the red and I ended up hitting was a small Honda Jazz lol
can you say massive internal injuries? if that was with humans, then the liver, spleen, and kidneys would be mush, the neck would of broken, and nasty bruising from the seatbelts. all up you look ok but your not.
@mail9 it is not a opel senator mate. It is a Holden commodore. The dead give away is the name of the video clip. Another one is the shape. I believe Opel Senators have a different front.
You really can't tell from the video. It looks like the dummies submarine a bit, but that rebound is otherwise well-controlled. What were the instrument readings?
@keegan47401 Airbags look stiff, and the occupants stop too fast. HIC of about 500-600, minor injury. Body holds up well. 4 star is the equivalent of a "B" grade.
I had a head on collision in a VN in 2008 but of course without the airbags and the car roof buckled so it was somewhat harder than the impact in this video.
i dont think this is doing the 64kph cars normally do during a crash test, this is an airbag test at lower speed. if u want to see how a holden stands up in a crash, just watch the news @ 6 every night, there are too many fatalities. holden arent really pioneers when it comes to occupant safety.
Mate i was in a VS And at 110 We flipped it [ Roo ] It flipped front end to back end then started to flip on its side but doing rolls in the air then hitting the ground etc And we walked away without a a mark on us ! My friend did something close to it due to a truck Stopping suddenly in front of him in a Much newer car Euro build at 80 ks and he busted his Arm / Leg / busted lip ! sooo do the math
All of you might think that since the car suffered very little crumpling, it is instantly safer. It's the exact opposite, that crash would most likely have severely injured the occupants due to the sudden stop.
A successful crash test is when the engine compartment absorbs and crumples completely, without severely damaging the passenger compartment.
@aoxilus Cars have to absorb the energy from the impact; otherwise the passengers will absorb it. The energy from the crash has to go somewhere; by having crumple zones, the car slows down (instead of coming to a sudden halt), which allows for the impact energy to be reduced and mainly absorbed by the vehicle. Building a stiff car will only ensure that the car's body survives relatively well, but not the passengers. Its basic physics.
@Legendzzz007 yeah but there are other ways to reduce the impact like outside airbags, a better designed seats, bumpers with shocks, and might be many others. letting the costumer know that destroying the car is the only way they can be safe leads to low quality front ends in automoviles so making them cheap cos "that way they can absorb the impact" sure this is one way but there are others in which a car could be repaired is the point I am trying to state.
@aoxilus Yeah, I do see where you're coming from, but there are two main reasons why I believe what you're suggesting won't happen. 1) implementation of such technologies would increase the initial cost of the vehicle and 2) from the manufacturers point of view; they want people to live and to keep buying new cars. Thats why a lot of the cheap new cars we can buy now won't last as long as some of the older cars which are still running now. Its the same story with everything we buy these days.
i owned a 2006 ve omega, crashed it 2 days ago doing 80kph and i walked away only shaken up. i think all commodores are great and im glad i had one when this happened.
Im guessing u drive something other than a commodore? I had an accident 6 years ago and i was driving a commodore and had it been a smaller car or even anything else with the exception of a luxury vehicle i wouldnt be here. And if the commodore was overated, why does it sell so well in this country? 2 million+ people cant be wrong.
not bad for a car that was made in the middle 90's, cars made today haven't come that much further yet when you pay your green slip you are told older cars aren't AS SAFE as modern cars, this vid disproves that, insurance companies only want an excuse to charge more for CTP, mainly in NSW
Made in USA?
KNGarver 1 week ago
@Aussieisbest94 Because new Holden's aren't even Aussie anymore. They're made of American parts put together by the Chinese in a European style.
Timmoux 1 month ago
It didnt absorb much impact, but Im surprised there wasnt as much intrusion into the cabin.
DoctorBohr 4 months ago
those airbags looked harder than the wall itself.
Gazzz87 5 months ago
i was t-boned in my vs on the driver door by a combo doing over 100 and only walked out with a sore head
evilr32 8 months ago
Does anyone know where the current Commodore is made? Which part of Australia?
suzukiaddress125 8 months ago
@suzukiaddress125 Elizabeth, South Australia. About 20 minutes from my house, lol.
HollandNights 8 months ago
@HollandNights yeh elizabeth adelaide sa, twenty mins from my house two....lol
koringn 8 months ago
@HollandNights thanks! I was wondering where the factory was :)
suzukiaddress125 8 months ago
All that energy would chanelled into the occupants. Ouch
Hello6761 9 months ago 12
I think these were made after the safety revisions in around 1994 - Pre '94 models were given 'below average' protection for occupants. As far as I know, revisions gave 'above average' protection for occupants. BUT note!..
1) This is a head on crash, so any impact will have a 'stable' deformation, as opposed to offset.
2) The speed is around 30mph hence the reason why it doesn't appear to deform severely.
Its tricky but I still think that it may only score a 3 star with NCAP. ANCAP rules...
TheSaintST1 10 months ago
...are slightly different and the speeds are greater (more realistic). These Holdens were equivalent to the Omega/Carlton/Senator cars in UK/Europe (as with all GM stock, aesthetic changes to the face and tail are used but NO changes to the chassis) and their safety was questionable then.
TheSaintST1 10 months ago
I 100% guarantee you that if this was given the NCAP treatment, the offset crash test would show a very, very poor rating.. I mean, look at the how thin the A-Pillars are.
This was a head-on at 30mph, an offset at 40mph would be brutal.
TheSaintST1 11 months ago
@TheSaintST1 not really. it was given 4 stars.
SDAlsorts 10 months ago
@SDAlsorts What year is this car?
TheSaintST1 10 months ago
@TheSaintST1 i can in some sort of ways see what you mean by this, I had a VS Commodore myself and I was only recently involved in an accident which i t boned another vehicle at 80 km/h, and i walked away with out a scratch and my car didnt have an air bag. I might be one of the lucky ones but its something tho towards the structual integrity of the car.
WRS493 10 months ago
how fast was the car going in this test?
OMFG33024 1 year ago
Holden Commodore SV = survival version :DDDDD
GTA4Cobra11 1 year ago
they passengers absorb most of the energy in the crash ,plus some serious whip lash, no crumple zone = lousy design
adrianqx 1 year ago
wtf is a holden !
boxajr 1 year ago
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Rollinfourlitre 1 year ago 2
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boxajr 1 year ago
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Rollinfourlitre 1 year ago
@Rollinfourlitre no ! go buy a "learn spanish" book and read it :)
boxajr 1 year ago
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Rollinfourlitre 1 year ago
@boxajr it is a type of cheese that originates in the Republic of Uzbekistan
cw147 11 months ago
i drive this model, no airbags though, so i'm a dead man
mitchp85 1 year ago 14
@mitchp85 depends really mate, I had a VS like urs i assume and earlier this year i totalled it and walked away without a scratch, having said that tho, the car that ran the red and I ended up hitting was a small Honda Jazz lol
WRS493 2 months ago
can you say massive internal injuries? if that was with humans, then the liver, spleen, and kidneys would be mush, the neck would of broken, and nasty bruising from the seatbelts. all up you look ok but your not.
fukkinjesus 1 year ago
them damn air bags hurts
babykiya 1 year ago
it's opel senator
mail9 1 year ago
@mail9 it is not a opel senator mate. It is a Holden commodore. The dead give away is the name of the video clip. Another one is the shape. I believe Opel Senators have a different front.
matt198619861986 1 year ago
@matt198619861986 ... and the big HOLDEN down the side of the car ... LOL
V8SilverFox 1 year ago
This test means nothing. The offset is the true test.
SneakieBillTV 1 year ago
and how fast where they going?
ChrisBennett18 1 year ago
not bad
albanitikosova101 1 year ago
@albanitikosova101 that's the worst crash test ever!
keegan47401 10 months ago
40km/h. scam.
vincenzoscarpa 1 year ago
well, better than the old version.
lightvader3338 1 year ago
This would be safer if the occupants wear a kevlar vest.
RenegadeFury 1 year ago
You really can't tell from the video. It looks like the dummies submarine a bit, but that rebound is otherwise well-controlled. What were the instrument readings?
5610winston 1 year ago
definite 4 star result
whattheheck1000 1 year ago
@whattheheck1000 how?
keegan47401 10 months ago
@keegan47401 Airbags look stiff, and the occupants stop too fast. HIC of about 500-600, minor injury. Body holds up well. 4 star is the equivalent of a "B" grade.
March 28, 2011 4:48 pm
whattheheck1000 10 months ago
@juice0105 you'd live with minor to moderate injury
whattheheck1000 1 year ago
them is tough airbags
whattheheck1000 1 year ago
I was cruisin along with ma misses and this bloody big test wall jumped out in front of us, thank God for those bags filled with politicians hot air
myfeeling4you 1 year ago 2
Holden WIN!
DLuZivee 1 year ago
i have one of these cars, this looks good
260KPH 1 year ago
What a tough bastard.
Love aussie cars.
matty007007 1 year ago
Get stuffed mate holdens are the best dog
mitchelljamesreid 1 year ago
That test isnt as accurate as the common crashes with the offset crash test.
redneon06 1 year ago
not bad
Raphcoll 1 year ago
I had a head on collision in a VN in 2008 but of course without the airbags and the car roof buckled so it was somewhat harder than the impact in this video.
blade004 1 year ago
are u guys serious ive been in bigger crashes in my VS commodore LMAO
ParkourDean 1 year ago
To hell with Holden
mrrrxxxxx 1 year ago 2
its looks ok
MrAram360 1 year ago
i dont think this is doing the 64kph cars normally do during a crash test, this is an airbag test at lower speed. if u want to see how a holden stands up in a crash, just watch the news @ 6 every night, there are too many fatalities. holden arent really pioneers when it comes to occupant safety.
betrayergrandma 1 year ago 2
haha this is the same as my car. nice solid built like a tank.
Holdmypole 1 year ago
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Mate i was in a VS And at 110 We flipped it [ Roo ] It flipped front end to back end then started to flip on its side but doing rolls in the air then hitting the ground etc And we walked away without a a mark on us ! My friend did something close to it due to a truck Stopping suddenly in front of him in a Much newer car Euro build at 80 ks and he busted his Arm / Leg / busted lip ! sooo do the math
Riksta1983 1 year ago
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Riksta1983 1 year ago
in my mates commodore, we went straight into a pole knocked it down cos it the car was solid and didnt crumple... all 3 of us were fine....
mcmandrake 2 years ago
LOL, 2 million people can't be wrong, ahhh, yes, they can (and in this car, are).
scottsqify 2 years ago
All of you might think that since the car suffered very little crumpling, it is instantly safer. It's the exact opposite, that crash would most likely have severely injured the occupants due to the sudden stop.
A successful crash test is when the engine compartment absorbs and crumples completely, without severely damaging the passenger compartment.
Extreme deceleration < Absorbing the impact
R34RACR 2 years ago 47
I'll take a car that crumples less any day. It's better for parking on college campuses where there are crazy drivers.
cheese2507 2 years ago 2
@R34RACR Bingo. Crumple zones are what save lives, but the safety cell shouldn't be damaged.
janeisababe 1 year ago
@R34RACR i think you should consult the engineers who designed the vs commodore before you post things
260KPH 1 year ago
Most of these burnout kids no nothing about physics though.
Some don't even know that their actions have an equal negative reaction lol
rushanz 1 year ago
@R34RACR that is what companies want you to think, so they can make low quality cheap cars that "can absorb the impact".
aoxilus 1 year ago
@aoxilus Cars have to absorb the energy from the impact; otherwise the passengers will absorb it. The energy from the crash has to go somewhere; by having crumple zones, the car slows down (instead of coming to a sudden halt), which allows for the impact energy to be reduced and mainly absorbed by the vehicle. Building a stiff car will only ensure that the car's body survives relatively well, but not the passengers. Its basic physics.
Legendzzz007 1 year ago
@Legendzzz007 yeah but there are other ways to reduce the impact like outside airbags, a better designed seats, bumpers with shocks, and might be many others. letting the costumer know that destroying the car is the only way they can be safe leads to low quality front ends in automoviles so making them cheap cos "that way they can absorb the impact" sure this is one way but there are others in which a car could be repaired is the point I am trying to state.
aoxilus 1 year ago
@aoxilus Yeah, I do see where you're coming from, but there are two main reasons why I believe what you're suggesting won't happen. 1) implementation of such technologies would increase the initial cost of the vehicle and 2) from the manufacturers point of view; they want people to live and to keep buying new cars. Thats why a lot of the cheap new cars we can buy now won't last as long as some of the older cars which are still running now. Its the same story with everything we buy these days.
Legendzzz007 1 year ago
@R34RACR - that true: in real life the car would be somewhat okay, but your eyes would pop out and be replaced by your kidneys
Dutchdragonblade 10 months ago
@R34RACR just beacuse holdens are awesom no need to diss them beacuse ford = FAIL
SCAREBUS100 8 months ago
@R34RACR yeah but I'd rather hit a roo in my commo than in a hyundai or something
dawgunna 6 months ago in playlist Cars & Driving
@R34RACR Rage some more faggot boy.
MsSloppyseconds 3 months ago
its made on lower speed to test the airbag
spitty3d 2 years ago
@spitty3d Yes, the car is hardly doing 40kph. Its also a flat hit, not an offset.
redSKORPION50 1 year ago
i owned a 2006 ve omega, crashed it 2 days ago doing 80kph and i walked away only shaken up. i think all commodores are great and im glad i had one when this happened.
luke7461 2 years ago 3
actually, that's pretty good compared to the older crash test. jeez
sarge991 2 years ago
GO THE COMMADORE
2jakez2 2 years ago
Commodores are all nothing but overrated peices of absolute CRAP!
CommodoresROVERATED 2 years ago
Im guessing u drive something other than a commodore? I had an accident 6 years ago and i was driving a commodore and had it been a smaller car or even anything else with the exception of a luxury vehicle i wouldnt be here. And if the commodore was overated, why does it sell so well in this country? 2 million+ people cant be wrong.
WRS493 2 years ago
you know whats crap the stuff in your head its filled with it.
holdenvy1 2 years ago
gotta love the aussie commodore
2004PontiacGTO 2 years ago 4
its better than the new 1!
donadoo22 2 years ago
One of the best i've ever seen
ModernWarfare002 2 years ago 3
Wow, that's one solid passenger cell! My VZ certainly feels as solid as a tank. Now I know it is. Great find, FastRolls!
videowilliams 2 years ago 2
that car wasn't a VZ, it's a VP
ives2071 2 years ago
vs commodore
rocketmagnet427 2 years ago
@ives2071 Nope, VR; 1993-95
Mechknight73 1 year ago
yo im aussie and iv seen in my topgear book all are 5 star ecsept for 2 of em
WARzone4912 2 years ago
Very Safe Car!!!!
Jordy339 2 years ago 4
Hah is that a VS model, I got that same car in white aswell 1995 model,
Drives well its done just under 300,000kms and still runs fine
castle001 2 years ago 4
bloody hell that was an awsome withstand
2004PontiacGTO 2 years ago 10
@2004PontiacGTO and some neck breaking wiplash
DanielZecevic 9 months ago
held up well
Wazza885 2 years ago
not bad for a car that was made in the middle 90's, cars made today haven't come that much further yet when you pay your green slip you are told older cars aren't AS SAFE as modern cars, this vid disproves that, insurance companies only want an excuse to charge more for CTP, mainly in NSW
myfeeling4you 2 years ago
pritty good didnt think tyhat was gonna hapen
sponge2502 2 years ago 4
would a vy commy do better than this??
kokoracha100 2 years ago
Vs for sure.
tasmanndog 2 years ago
pretty sure it was a vs. because of the passenger airbag
hsvvxr801 2 years ago 3
its a Vr or VS sedan from mid ish 90s seemed to do pretty well really. Body shell was very little changed from the VN of 88.
haddo71 2 years ago 2
got any videos of vn commodores?
interested to see how they hold up
cameron20020 2 years ago
No I don't, I was lucky to even to come across this video :)
FastRollsRoyce 2 years ago
do you know what year that car was?
AUSSI3RUL3 2 years ago
Im sure Vn's would be the same..
5blacksmith5 2 years ago