i am very sorry for kenyans . it made me so sad about this , is there any other options . this is no piece of paper , it is their lives , where is the democracy, i bought a house in islii , , is it gonna be next, kenya was a beautifull and peacefull country but no more . what we wait is killing each other and robbing each other like somalia
...THIS IS A MATTER OF LAW. THERE ARE THOSE POLITICIANS WHO VIEWS A TITTLE DEED AS A PIECE OF PAPER AND THOSE WHO VIEWS THE LAW THE SAME WAY. I THOUGHT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW ANYMORE. BUT AGAIN THE CONSTITUTION IS JUST A PIECE OF PAPER!!?
Dear Kenyans, i might sound crazy but it is alright. Three things were brought to us by the whiteman; POLITICS, RELIGION, EDUCATION. The very person who introduced this 3 institutions to us knew that he would USE the 3 to control(ruin) our lives. So please KENYANS try to find out who is this ''HIDDEN HAND''(powers) that run our lives indirectly. BUT PLEASE STOP BLAMING THE GOVERNMENT. it is a 'new dawn'. expect more. our GOK is a bunch of puppets. WHO IS THE PUPPETMASTER?????????????
Kamunya and Saitoti remember that you serve Kenyans first not government so don’t enslave Kenyans! You must also not forget that you are the servants not serpents of the people, and not their masters. Don’t think that you’ve conquered Kenyans to annihilation and defeat, to obliteration because the Kenyans aspirations can never be defeated. You operate with such impunity and with complete disregards to the law, ethics and humanity. You are barbaric, heartless and complete savages
You don't need all that chunk of land for Planes to land or take off safely , if u consider most busy airports like O'hare,Logan or Kennedy ,they have buildings in very close proximities.
@gabbrielll1418 Indeed even Heathrow have buildings not too far but not on the FLIGHT PATH if you know what that is. Bottom line is the land was KAA land and no one had a right to sell it so it's the SELLERS we should be after....
Message received loud and clear, DONT invest in Kenya. Corruption and oppression of its own citizens with impunity by the Government is sickening. Yet they talk of Vision 2030 my ass. Cant eradicate slums but when people build their own homes (good ones too) they demolish.
GOOD THEY BRIBED TO GET LAND AND NOW THEY ARE PAYING THE COST ,AM COMING TO MAASAI MARA CLEAR MY FLIGHT PATH , AM SURE SOME AMERICAN AIRLINE FELT IT A SECURITY THREAT TO HAVE NIGGER HOMES NEAR THEIR PLANES, PLEASE WHITEMAN RECOLONISE SUB SAHARAN AFRICA ,AND MAKE THEM MANUAL LABOURER ALL OVER THE WORLD AGAIN
Destroying someones home is destroying his dreams and his future.You can imagine taking a loan to build a home for my children only to be destroyed by the same people you pay taxes to protect your investments.Regardless of whether or not they were illegal,the burden falls on authorities who left construction to continue to this level.This is a reminder to middle class Kenyans that its not only poor people who should take to the streets to protest against poor leadership,we all should
@TheMwenyeji No Mwenyeji, the burden at the end of it all falls on YOU the investor who chooses to invest in an illegal piece of land. Look, just buy land in a clean place with a clean bill of health and no one will ever bother you, heard anyone mow down houses in Kiserian ? How about Ngong ? Kitengela ? I rest my case . You are free to invest your whole future in quick sand, no one will stop you bt whn U sink, U sink ALONE
@Juluka69 My friend, fact remains the deeds where cleared by movoko county council.Secondly,the whole map changed.Airport has more ground to the north but all over sudden,they require 8km to the south.Thirdly,there was no notice,no case nothing and KPLC had installed power to the area.If there is a problem,we have a judicial system.These people were not squatters.If anyone's future is in quick sand, it is people who condone such injustices.Lets be fair and lets use the Law.Occupy parliament!!!
@TheMwenyeji Titles indeed, fake ones signed by a guy long sacked from the civil service for fraud, a corrupt enough guy can get an equally corrupt official at Mavoko county cncl. to sanction a corrupt deal but does that legitimize anything ? Bottom line is that U r where u r not meant to be. No notice given ? what a joke, 90days notice was given and lots of them even pasted on the KPL poles. Power poles were not on the FLIGHT PATH so that's fine. Mwenyeji do u know what Caveat Emptor means ?
@Juluka69 Wacha wivu, you probably have have never invested in Kenya and definitely dont know the land buying process and all the official documents that one receives and may start developing the land with while waiting for the title deed. Some people enjoy watching other people's pain because they feel they are getting company in their otherwise miserable lives.
@erastusmovies My brother, I have no gain to gain from someone's pain and even if I was miserable as U so authoritatively state, I would not be less so if others joined me. What I know or not is immaterial but I know better than to invest in a FLIGHT PATH, my take is deal with credible pple. of calibre and always remember- Caviat Emptor
@Juluka69 I have flown to countless airports in US and Europe and have seen buildings so close to the flight path you can probably see someone sitting in their living room. I am not saying that people should put up buildings everywhere without regard for safety, but in Syokimau, those buildings offered no risk to planes, a better way to ensure safety was maybe to gate off the community and have tenants allowance pay for security patrol, I'm sure it would have cost much less than losing a KSH 30M
@erastusmovies My brother you may be the most "flown" guy but that still does not make U an authority in aviation safety. Indeed in places like Kai Tak airport(take it U know where that is) , one flies in between skyscrapers but still there's clear flight path despite the buildings U see. However the point is that the guys were on the land illegally whatever we say, a simple check at Min of lands would have told them that. Lesson - Caveat Emptor
@Juluka69 Bro. I am confused by your reply, first off, Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong CLOSED in 1998, The airport was surrounded by mountains and skyscrapers 5-10k. Syokimau highest buildings were 2 floors, now if a plane is flying that low that far off the runway, we have a problem. According to the parliamentary hearings, the land and home owners followed due diligence when buying the land and followed all the proper avenues to develop it and pay taxes. Wait for report.
@erastusmovies You miss the point as usual, I was just jst giving the Kai Tak exmple. to show how close buildings can be to an airport n yet not in the flight path. How so sure you can be EVERYONE who bought land in Syokimau followed what according 2 u is "due diligence" beats me when it's a case of "res ipsa loquita" . The PS showed us the original title deed of the land and clearly it had not been subdvded. Any simple search at Min of Lands would reveal that, tuache short cuts
@Juluka69 A report tabled in Parliament yesterday by the JPC that investigated the recent demolitions be adopted and implemented by the GOK, then the victims may be compensated for their loss by the state. The report tabled by the chair of the committee, Gachoka MP Musyimi, also recommends that the government gives humanitarian assistance to all those affected. And as Chris Thairu reports, it also notes that majority of those affected may not have known that the title deeds they held were fake.
@erastusmoviesh, Humanitarian assistance is what the report recommends not COMPENSATION. You can not be compensated for what did not rightfully own legally and that unfortunately was the case with the Syokimau victims. For me the disappointment was that Mutava does not recommend the arrest and charging of the Mlolongo brothers who "sold" the land in the first place. Check out my post 6days ago...
@Juluka69 For once we can agree, I think a lot of people at Ardhi House, and the brokers who sold the land and cleared it ought to be criminally charged, sentenced and fined to the fullest extent of the law, its the only way to bring accountability and end impunity, that report by MP's was useless if it doesn't recommend such actions. Its nice having a mature conversation with someone even though we disagree at times.
@erastusmovies I fully concur erastus, for sure the only way such things will end is when we start seeing people being punished for their evil deeds and I agree with U fully this needs to happen. I just hope it's the last time we witness such pain inflicted on innocent guys.
@erastusmovies Point is not how high the buildings were, were they there LEGALLY ? answer is sadly NO and that's why even compensation may be tricky, that's the sad fact my brother regardless of what some "smart lawyer" may tell you, unless someone pays on humanitarian grounds.
@Juluka69 I did some homework, a one or two story building according to international flight regulations cannot be considered to be in a flight path unless build either on the runaway or one km directly infront of the runaway. None of those houses demolished did. By your argument of flight path warehouses and car hire offices at or near the airport should be demolished.
@erastusmovies I quote from my earlier post to respond to you -
Point is not how high the buildings were, were they there LEGALLY ? answer is sadly NO and that's why even compensation may be tricky, that's the sad fact my brother regardless of what some "smart lawyer" may tell you, unless someone pays on humanitarian grounds. Like U so rightly observed, Kai Tak(when it was open) and even Chep Lak kok have skyscrapers close to the airport but not on the flight path.
@Juluka69 Exactly how do you tell what's a "clean" place for buying land, if not by conducting a search at the land office? The Syokimau residents did precisely that, and the land titles showed the land as "clean".
@Waiswa1 In a corrupt system like ours, conducting one search is not enough, double check with the various authorities. Then common sense should also come to bear, I can guess what's KWS land, road reserve, Stadium land and so on. Because of past mistakes, many wrongs were let to be but that still does not legitimize them. Guys got "titles" for cemetery land, does that make them legal owners ? Check the location and the history b4 u buy. Again I say ARREST THE SELLERS....
@Juluka69 "Double check with the various authorities." Isn't that exactly what the Syokimau residents did? Where else were they supposed to check other than Mavoko Town Council (where all the Syokimau land titles are officially kept)? And how is one supposed to know whether a given piece of land is "disputed"? By reading newspapers, listening to radio or going to bars???
@Waiswa1 No I don't think they went to THE MIN OF LANDS, which is the premier authority on land matters. All the OROGINAL maps and even title deed signatories can be found there. R u aware some of those guys had titles signed by a guy who'd been fired like six mths. prior, a guy who was no longer a government employee let alone an authorized signatory, that's the stuff one can find out if U r patient n not out for a quick kill which turns out into a quick descent for you.
@Juluka69 Actually, the "Torrens" Land Registry system used in Kenya is decentralized (i.e titles are kept at the nearest local government offices). You'd never find land titles for Syokimau (or, say, Busia) in Nairobi. The Min of Lands only keeps titles for land in the Nairobi area. Secondly, if the concerned official had been fired, shouldn't the government have put out a notice warning prospective clients not to deal with a particular individual who no longer represented them?
@Waiswa1 Yes, some very valid points Waswa but at the Min of Lands, one can get some info that U can not get at the councils . U can authenticate your SERIAL numbers for example and also find out who is the authorized signatory. GOK does not put notices abt signatories in the papers as U well know.
@Waiswa1 U r partly right but the Min of Lands still has to have ALL records of land deals and also ALL original maps and title copies and records are there for all to see if we could only take time and CHECK, tuache ma shot cut za life and we'll be ok.
I AM CALLING DIOSPORIANS TO STOP SENDING MONEY TO KENYA...YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE DESTROYED LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT. KENYA HAS VAST LANDS OCCUPIEND BY ANIMALS FOR TOURIST TO GO SEE THE REST(MOST) IS SITTING IDLE.HERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED HARD TO BUILD KENYA BUT WHAT DOES THE GOV DO?? DESTROY???????? WHO GAVE TITTLE???????????SAME ON KENYA GOV, ANIMALS HAVE MORE VALUE THAN THE PEOPLE OF KENYA ,THATS WHAT THE KENYAN GOVERMENT IS SAYING.
Dear Kenyans, there's never a soft way about this, even as we sympathize with all the affected, let's not loose sight of the FACT that the buildings were ILLEGAL . Nowhere in the world can you build on a FLIGHT PATH. So anyone on a road reserve, flight path , forest land etc....be warned. Lesson - Before sinking your 50m worth of investment anywhere, take time and VERIFY the authenticity of the papers you hold. Am sure in the government records, this land is clearly marked as airport land.
You are right to say the buildings were illegal, but truth is the home builders did have title deeds. Someone must have given it to them. Instead of arresting the corrupt govt official you go demolish the house, wasting millions of shillings. Kenya is already poor, what do you benefit by destroying hard working people's homes? Plus it makes other people nervous so they dont invest in new buildings for fear they will be demolished just like these. Bad idea man, bad!
@midiafreemega Just a small correction mate, none of those guys actually have title deeds, what they have are certificates of allotment issued by Mlolongo land buying company who've of course vanished , lesson- Deal with credible companies. Any title deed if any was issued ultra vires which makes it null n void. Anyone investing in a straight venture need not worry, that's the truth. How long have Kitengela residents had their houses ? And Isinya ? has anyone demolished them ? I rest my case.
Ok, lets say the sellers were fraudulent, why demolish innocent peoples houses? once investors see these images they get scared thinking any new buildings they erect may also be demolished coz the person who sold the land was a fraud. Final result is people are afraid to build, in a country with housing crisis! Aah the irony!
Best solution is arrest the sellers. No one just "disappears". They are not Houdini!
@midiafreemega Totally agree with you mate, ARREST THE SELLERS IS THE SOLUTION but I doubt that will happen, think some big fish is involved here....sad sad story.
Even if the buildings were illegal there should have been ample time to let these people leave. I was horrified to see someones house done this way. one should ask if the enemy is Alshabab or is it the arrogant goverment?
@9094321 Ample time my foot !!! Interesting how gullible Kenyans believe everything they are told, no wonder guys get conned into "buying" land earmarked for roads n so on. Truth is notice was given, a full 90days and anyone saying they never got one is LYING, some were even pasted on the electric poles for crying out loud... this has nothing to do with Al shabab, everything to do with aviation safety.
truth be told who are they claering the area for? kenya goverment treats its citizens like shit. One time i was watching what was supposed to be a cellebration at uhuru park and the president was there. police in horsebacks were chasing people at the park knocking women and children down . Lets say nobody turned up to thecellebrations then mr president would have no audience. So treat the audience with respect .
@bmkimani Yes we do, they are protecting the lives of the plane passengers that are endangered by such buildings . Let's play by the law and avoid short cuts and corrupt deals that end up in this. There can be no legality in a deal that is illegal ab initio......
Only innocent Kenyans are punished. those muppets who peddle drugs, loot from coffers, evade tax and rape the CDF kitty are let scott free because the Goverment perceives them as heroes, what a crap!
This is very sad. Our lands minister should explain how it is possible for the government to let people build over 200 houses on land that is illegal and with titles
what irony, The standard newspaper have build their complex on a road researve near the affected area but it was waived cos they are politically correct.
I hope we will not see a five star hotel constructed after this barbaric act of cowardice by senior airport authority officials.Shame of Kenyans turned man eat man society.
The responsible Kenyan authorities seem to be having fun obliterating the peoples' lifetime investments. This is insane and sadistic. Corruption, irresponsibility and impunity are key to this war-time like destruction. A title deed in Kenya doesn't mean much legally... that's the lesson 101.
SMDH, I felt the pain watching those houses going down. Funny enough, I think this is the same pain/ worse that slum dwellers when their shanties are unceremoniously brought down in the middle of the night. Lord have mercy. I hope the investors/ owners of the homes didnt lose their sanity after this, coz I prolly woulda.
This is terrible. Are there laws in kenya? If the case is before a court why not wait for justice? Also, if demolition is going to happen, why not give the owners time to move their personal belongings out? Why humiliate innocent kenyans? Fuck this devil government, fuck the bastards!!!
OMG! FUCK KENYA! How will these people pay the loans back! This makes me hate Kenya! You can all call me unpatriotic I don't care!! Why didn't they stop when the first house went up! What are these people suppossed to do now! All their life savings gone..no wonder there is such a divide between the rich and the poor! Screw Orengo and everyone in gova and mostly RAO and KIBAKI! FU!!
And only this week a court granted Kibaki a plot in contention Galu Kinondu 10 even though he bought it from someone who had fiddled the title at the registrars office Kwale! There are no safe title deeds in Kenya, all land owners should be scared.
What the hell!!@@ *^ Government has to be sued including the Prez and PM on a personal level. The reporter just said the matter is pending a ruling in a court of law on Tuesday but the GK has decide to preempt or hedge itself in case the court rules in the wananchi's favor..... so why did we pass a new constitution if we still resort to the old ways of exercising jurisprudence????
Bl**dy hell! Unbelievable! These people are losing their single most important life investment. Did KAA not see all this activity on its land early enough to warn the unlucky wananchi? Urrgh!
what on earth was the ministry of land and kaa doing all this time if they knew that the piece of land had issues. I believe the government and more so the ministry of land should treat land and plot buyers with the dignity and sincerity they deserve.
This is really painful just to watch so one can imagine how it must be for those affected! Apparently it affects developments on a 4,000 acre area, makes you wonder who authorized sales on such a huge scale knowing fully that its KAA land!! This not only justifies my view that buying land in or around Nairobi is VERY risky but that the land/houses are overpriced because of the risk.
@nicosituma My brother no sale was authorized and that's why the whole deal was rotten in the first place. A land buying company (Mlolongo investments) conned guys into "buying" land they didn't legally own....get it ?
painful indeed... I actually shed a tear watching this.. Question is who approved the buildings in the first place? who allocated the the pieces of land? - terorrism is not an excuse. With the matter still in court this victims have to be compensated!
This is like a movie or a dream hala ! The Kenyan government is creating poverty.
I think some Kenyan politicians did not learn from Gaddafis predicaments how can the demolish peoples houses like that? Unbelievable .is this the new constitution that everybody pledged to respect ? if the matter is in court why the hurry?
Our loss too & a black eye for us all coz its evidence to foreign investors that you can't trust any transactions with officialdom in kenya,that rule of law is weak & any contract is not watertight.
Jail all the city & ministry officials who signed .Transparency Inter'l is watching coz kenya is not known as most corrupt for nothing.
I agree the blame squarely lies with the Ministry of Land and the Kenya Airport Authority. I really feel sad for those guys, having been in a similar position along Thika road. I couldn't sleep for like a week, My wife and I had taken a loan with the hope of securing ourselves a good shelter. I was lucky the Ministry of roads compensated me, I vowed like @naidamu to buy land far away from Nairobi. I totally feel for those guys.
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3xpert719pro 1 month ago
a country where court orders are toilet papers,...god help has.
kimanthymose 3 months ago
i am very sorry for kenyans . it made me so sad about this , is there any other options . this is no piece of paper , it is their lives , where is the democracy, i bought a house in islii , , is it gonna be next, kenya was a beautifull and peacefull country but no more . what we wait is killing each other and robbing each other like somalia
xassan1977 3 months ago
...THIS IS A MATTER OF LAW. THERE ARE THOSE POLITICIANS WHO VIEWS A TITTLE DEED AS A PIECE OF PAPER AND THOSE WHO VIEWS THE LAW THE SAME WAY. I THOUGHT NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW ANYMORE. BUT AGAIN THE CONSTITUTION IS JUST A PIECE OF PAPER!!?
smithlovekenya 3 months ago
Its the Government we voted for rite?next time jua unavotia nini
ggitariful 3 months ago
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ggitariful 3 months ago
Dear Kenyans, i might sound crazy but it is alright. Three things were brought to us by the whiteman; POLITICS, RELIGION, EDUCATION. The very person who introduced this 3 institutions to us knew that he would USE the 3 to control(ruin) our lives. So please KENYANS try to find out who is this ''HIDDEN HAND''(powers) that run our lives indirectly. BUT PLEASE STOP BLAMING THE GOVERNMENT. it is a 'new dawn'. expect more. our GOK is a bunch of puppets. WHO IS THE PUPPETMASTER?????????????
kaungakaunga 3 months ago
Kamunya and Saitoti remember that you serve Kenyans first not government so don’t enslave Kenyans! You must also not forget that you are the servants not serpents of the people, and not their masters. Don’t think that you’ve conquered Kenyans to annihilation and defeat, to obliteration because the Kenyans aspirations can never be defeated. You operate with such impunity and with complete disregards to the law, ethics and humanity. You are barbaric, heartless and complete savages
edmond2014 3 months ago
this is terrible, it is very unlawful if yhe citizens do not hv a say over what they own.
thegdluckcharm 3 months ago
You don't need all that chunk of land for Planes to land or take off safely , if u consider most busy airports like O'hare,Logan or Kennedy ,they have buildings in very close proximities.
gabbrielll1418 3 months ago
@gabbrielll1418 Indeed even Heathrow have buildings not too far but not on the FLIGHT PATH if you know what that is. Bottom line is the land was KAA land and no one had a right to sell it so it's the SELLERS we should be after....
Juluka69 3 months ago
Message received loud and clear, DONT invest in Kenya. Corruption and oppression of its own citizens with impunity by the Government is sickening. Yet they talk of Vision 2030 my ass. Cant eradicate slums but when people build their own homes (good ones too) they demolish.
erastusmovies 3 months ago
GOOD THEY BRIBED TO GET LAND AND NOW THEY ARE PAYING THE COST ,AM COMING TO MAASAI MARA CLEAR MY FLIGHT PATH , AM SURE SOME AMERICAN AIRLINE FELT IT A SECURITY THREAT TO HAVE NIGGER HOMES NEAR THEIR PLANES, PLEASE WHITEMAN RECOLONISE SUB SAHARAN AFRICA ,AND MAKE THEM MANUAL LABOURER ALL OVER THE WORLD AGAIN
mugoya1 3 months ago
Shame on you Kenya Goverment,wht is this now?,Sorry for the affected families.
virginiawthuo 3 months ago
Destroying someones home is destroying his dreams and his future.You can imagine taking a loan to build a home for my children only to be destroyed by the same people you pay taxes to protect your investments.Regardless of whether or not they were illegal,the burden falls on authorities who left construction to continue to this level.This is a reminder to middle class Kenyans that its not only poor people who should take to the streets to protest against poor leadership,we all should
TheMwenyeji 3 months ago
@TheMwenyeji No Mwenyeji, the burden at the end of it all falls on YOU the investor who chooses to invest in an illegal piece of land. Look, just buy land in a clean place with a clean bill of health and no one will ever bother you, heard anyone mow down houses in Kiserian ? How about Ngong ? Kitengela ? I rest my case . You are free to invest your whole future in quick sand, no one will stop you bt whn U sink, U sink ALONE
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69 My friend, fact remains the deeds where cleared by movoko county council.Secondly,the whole map changed.Airport has more ground to the north but all over sudden,they require 8km to the south.Thirdly,there was no notice,no case nothing and KPLC had installed power to the area.If there is a problem,we have a judicial system.These people were not squatters.If anyone's future is in quick sand, it is people who condone such injustices.Lets be fair and lets use the Law.Occupy parliament!!!
TheMwenyeji 3 months ago
@TheMwenyeji Titles indeed, fake ones signed by a guy long sacked from the civil service for fraud, a corrupt enough guy can get an equally corrupt official at Mavoko county cncl. to sanction a corrupt deal but does that legitimize anything ? Bottom line is that U r where u r not meant to be. No notice given ? what a joke, 90days notice was given and lots of them even pasted on the KPL poles. Power poles were not on the FLIGHT PATH so that's fine. Mwenyeji do u know what Caveat Emptor means ?
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69 Wacha wivu, you probably have have never invested in Kenya and definitely dont know the land buying process and all the official documents that one receives and may start developing the land with while waiting for the title deed. Some people enjoy watching other people's pain because they feel they are getting company in their otherwise miserable lives.
erastusmovies 3 months ago
@erastusmovies My brother, I have no gain to gain from someone's pain and even if I was miserable as U so authoritatively state, I would not be less so if others joined me. What I know or not is immaterial but I know better than to invest in a FLIGHT PATH, my take is deal with credible pple. of calibre and always remember- Caviat Emptor
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69 I have flown to countless airports in US and Europe and have seen buildings so close to the flight path you can probably see someone sitting in their living room. I am not saying that people should put up buildings everywhere without regard for safety, but in Syokimau, those buildings offered no risk to planes, a better way to ensure safety was maybe to gate off the community and have tenants allowance pay for security patrol, I'm sure it would have cost much less than losing a KSH 30M
erastusmovies 2 months ago
@erastusmovies My brother you may be the most "flown" guy but that still does not make U an authority in aviation safety. Indeed in places like Kai Tak airport(take it U know where that is) , one flies in between skyscrapers but still there's clear flight path despite the buildings U see. However the point is that the guys were on the land illegally whatever we say, a simple check at Min of lands would have told them that. Lesson - Caveat Emptor
Juluka69 2 months ago
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erastusmovies 2 months ago
@Juluka69 Bro. I am confused by your reply, first off, Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong CLOSED in 1998, The airport was surrounded by mountains and skyscrapers 5-10k. Syokimau highest buildings were 2 floors, now if a plane is flying that low that far off the runway, we have a problem. According to the parliamentary hearings, the land and home owners followed due diligence when buying the land and followed all the proper avenues to develop it and pay taxes. Wait for report.
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erastusmovies 2 months ago
@erastusmovies You miss the point as usual, I was just jst giving the Kai Tak exmple. to show how close buildings can be to an airport n yet not in the flight path. How so sure you can be EVERYONE who bought land in Syokimau followed what according 2 u is "due diligence" beats me when it's a case of "res ipsa loquita" . The PS showed us the original title deed of the land and clearly it had not been subdvded. Any simple search at Min of Lands would reveal that, tuache short cuts
Juluka69 2 months ago
@Juluka69 A report tabled in Parliament yesterday by the JPC that investigated the recent demolitions be adopted and implemented by the GOK, then the victims may be compensated for their loss by the state. The report tabled by the chair of the committee, Gachoka MP Musyimi, also recommends that the government gives humanitarian assistance to all those affected. And as Chris Thairu reports, it also notes that majority of those affected may not have known that the title deeds they held were fake.
erastusmovies 2 months ago
@erastusmoviesh, Humanitarian assistance is what the report recommends not COMPENSATION. You can not be compensated for what did not rightfully own legally and that unfortunately was the case with the Syokimau victims. For me the disappointment was that Mutava does not recommend the arrest and charging of the Mlolongo brothers who "sold" the land in the first place. Check out my post 6days ago...
Juluka69 2 months ago
@Juluka69 For once we can agree, I think a lot of people at Ardhi House, and the brokers who sold the land and cleared it ought to be criminally charged, sentenced and fined to the fullest extent of the law, its the only way to bring accountability and end impunity, that report by MP's was useless if it doesn't recommend such actions. Its nice having a mature conversation with someone even though we disagree at times.
erastusmovies 2 months ago
@erastusmovies I fully concur erastus, for sure the only way such things will end is when we start seeing people being punished for their evil deeds and I agree with U fully this needs to happen. I just hope it's the last time we witness such pain inflicted on innocent guys.
Juluka69 2 months ago
@erastusmovies Point is not how high the buildings were, were they there LEGALLY ? answer is sadly NO and that's why even compensation may be tricky, that's the sad fact my brother regardless of what some "smart lawyer" may tell you, unless someone pays on humanitarian grounds.
Juluka69 2 months ago
@Juluka69 I did some homework, a one or two story building according to international flight regulations cannot be considered to be in a flight path unless build either on the runaway or one km directly infront of the runaway. None of those houses demolished did. By your argument of flight path warehouses and car hire offices at or near the airport should be demolished.
erastusmovies 2 months ago
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@erastusmovies I quote from my earlier post to respond to you -
Point is not how high the buildings were, were they there LEGALLY ? answer is sadly NO and that's why even compensation may be tricky, that's the sad fact my brother regardless of what some "smart lawyer" may tell you, unless someone pays on humanitarian grounds. Like U so rightly observed, Kai Tak(when it was open) and even Chep Lak kok have skyscrapers close to the airport but not on the flight path.
Juluka69 2 months ago
@Juluka69 Exactly how do you tell what's a "clean" place for buying land, if not by conducting a search at the land office? The Syokimau residents did precisely that, and the land titles showed the land as "clean".
Waiswa1 3 months ago
@Waiswa1 In a corrupt system like ours, conducting one search is not enough, double check with the various authorities. Then common sense should also come to bear, I can guess what's KWS land, road reserve, Stadium land and so on. Because of past mistakes, many wrongs were let to be but that still does not legitimize them. Guys got "titles" for cemetery land, does that make them legal owners ? Check the location and the history b4 u buy. Again I say ARREST THE SELLERS....
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69 "Double check with the various authorities." Isn't that exactly what the Syokimau residents did? Where else were they supposed to check other than Mavoko Town Council (where all the Syokimau land titles are officially kept)? And how is one supposed to know whether a given piece of land is "disputed"? By reading newspapers, listening to radio or going to bars???
Waiswa1 3 months ago
@Waiswa1 No I don't think they went to THE MIN OF LANDS, which is the premier authority on land matters. All the OROGINAL maps and even title deed signatories can be found there. R u aware some of those guys had titles signed by a guy who'd been fired like six mths. prior, a guy who was no longer a government employee let alone an authorized signatory, that's the stuff one can find out if U r patient n not out for a quick kill which turns out into a quick descent for you.
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69 Actually, the "Torrens" Land Registry system used in Kenya is decentralized (i.e titles are kept at the nearest local government offices). You'd never find land titles for Syokimau (or, say, Busia) in Nairobi. The Min of Lands only keeps titles for land in the Nairobi area. Secondly, if the concerned official had been fired, shouldn't the government have put out a notice warning prospective clients not to deal with a particular individual who no longer represented them?
Waiswa1 3 months ago
@Waiswa1 Yes, some very valid points Waswa but at the Min of Lands, one can get some info that U can not get at the councils . U can authenticate your SERIAL numbers for example and also find out who is the authorized signatory. GOK does not put notices abt signatories in the papers as U well know.
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Waiswa1 U r partly right but the Min of Lands still has to have ALL records of land deals and also ALL original maps and title copies and records are there for all to see if we could only take time and CHECK, tuache ma shot cut za life and we'll be ok.
Juluka69 2 months ago
@Waiswa1 They obviously never checked at the first place they should have checked with, Min of Lands.
Juluka69 2 months ago
I AM CALLING DIOSPORIANS TO STOP SENDING MONEY TO KENYA...YOUR PROPERTY WILL BE DESTROYED LIKE A PIECE OF SHIT. KENYA HAS VAST LANDS OCCUPIEND BY ANIMALS FOR TOURIST TO GO SEE THE REST(MOST) IS SITTING IDLE.HERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WORKED HARD TO BUILD KENYA BUT WHAT DOES THE GOV DO?? DESTROY???????? WHO GAVE TITTLE???????????SAME ON KENYA GOV, ANIMALS HAVE MORE VALUE THAN THE PEOPLE OF KENYA ,THATS WHAT THE KENYAN GOVERMENT IS SAYING.
9094321 3 months ago
@9094321
Rumour has it that TERROR THREATS is the reason...Alshabab and all that crap. could be...who knows.
Wilson Airport is surrounded by more houses than JKIA...there is an invisible hand of IATA...
deporteeeee 3 months ago
Dear Kenyans, there's never a soft way about this, even as we sympathize with all the affected, let's not loose sight of the FACT that the buildings were ILLEGAL . Nowhere in the world can you build on a FLIGHT PATH. So anyone on a road reserve, flight path , forest land etc....be warned. Lesson - Before sinking your 50m worth of investment anywhere, take time and VERIFY the authenticity of the papers you hold. Am sure in the government records, this land is clearly marked as airport land.
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69
You are right to say the buildings were illegal, but truth is the home builders did have title deeds. Someone must have given it to them. Instead of arresting the corrupt govt official you go demolish the house, wasting millions of shillings. Kenya is already poor, what do you benefit by destroying hard working people's homes? Plus it makes other people nervous so they dont invest in new buildings for fear they will be demolished just like these. Bad idea man, bad!
midiafreemega 3 months ago
@midiafreemega Just a small correction mate, none of those guys actually have title deeds, what they have are certificates of allotment issued by Mlolongo land buying company who've of course vanished , lesson- Deal with credible companies. Any title deed if any was issued ultra vires which makes it null n void. Anyone investing in a straight venture need not worry, that's the truth. How long have Kitengela residents had their houses ? And Isinya ? has anyone demolished them ? I rest my case.
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69
Ok, lets say the sellers were fraudulent, why demolish innocent peoples houses? once investors see these images they get scared thinking any new buildings they erect may also be demolished coz the person who sold the land was a fraud. Final result is people are afraid to build, in a country with housing crisis! Aah the irony!
Best solution is arrest the sellers. No one just "disappears". They are not Houdini!
midiafreemega 3 months ago
@midiafreemega Totally agree with you mate, ARREST THE SELLERS IS THE SOLUTION but I doubt that will happen, think some big fish is involved here....sad sad story.
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69
Even if the buildings were illegal there should have been ample time to let these people leave. I was horrified to see someones house done this way. one should ask if the enemy is Alshabab or is it the arrogant goverment?
9094321 3 months ago
@9094321 Ample time my foot !!! Interesting how gullible Kenyans believe everything they are told, no wonder guys get conned into "buying" land earmarked for roads n so on. Truth is notice was given, a full 90days and anyone saying they never got one is LYING, some were even pasted on the electric poles for crying out loud... this has nothing to do with Al shabab, everything to do with aviation safety.
Juluka69 3 months ago
@Juluka69
truth be told who are they claering the area for? kenya goverment treats its citizens like shit. One time i was watching what was supposed to be a cellebration at uhuru park and the president was there. police in horsebacks were chasing people at the park knocking women and children down . Lets say nobody turned up to thecellebrations then mr president would have no audience. So treat the audience with respect .
9094321 3 months ago
FUNDAMENTAL OF A GOVERNMENT
1. Protect Life
2. protect Property and Livelihoods.
Do we have a Government???????????
bmkimani 3 months ago
@bmkimani Yes we do, they are protecting the lives of the plane passengers that are endangered by such buildings . Let's play by the law and avoid short cuts and corrupt deals that end up in this. There can be no legality in a deal that is illegal ab initio......
Juluka69 3 months ago
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bmkimani 3 months ago
With or without a new constitution , this goverment needs to be OVERTHROWN.It is these kind of actions that goverments lose their legitimacy to rule.
24surfside 3 months ago
Only innocent Kenyans are punished. those muppets who peddle drugs, loot from coffers, evade tax and rape the CDF kitty are let scott free because the Goverment perceives them as heroes, what a crap!
Kajoolerthe1 3 months ago
This is very sad. Our lands minister should explain how it is possible for the government to let people build over 200 houses on land that is illegal and with titles
EricGitz 3 months ago
what irony, The standard newspaper have build their complex on a road researve near the affected area but it was waived cos they are politically correct.
rindodi 3 months ago
No words...mad as hell right now!
shirowapk 3 months ago
I hope we will not see a five star hotel constructed after this barbaric act of cowardice by senior airport authority officials.Shame of Kenyans turned man eat man society.
PhillipNgugi 3 months ago in playlist Citinews
The responsible Kenyan authorities seem to be having fun obliterating the peoples' lifetime investments. This is insane and sadistic. Corruption, irresponsibility and impunity are key to this war-time like destruction. A title deed in Kenya doesn't mean much legally... that's the lesson 101.
bwanakeino 3 months ago
SMDH, I felt the pain watching those houses going down. Funny enough, I think this is the same pain/ worse that slum dwellers when their shanties are unceremoniously brought down in the middle of the night. Lord have mercy. I hope the investors/ owners of the homes didnt lose their sanity after this, coz I prolly woulda.
sirjonduke 3 months ago
This is terrible. Are there laws in kenya? If the case is before a court why not wait for justice? Also, if demolition is going to happen, why not give the owners time to move their personal belongings out? Why humiliate innocent kenyans? Fuck this devil government, fuck the bastards!!!
mrjesee 3 months ago
Fuck you Kenyan govt!!
Iatineni 3 months ago
OMG! FUCK KENYA! How will these people pay the loans back! This makes me hate Kenya! You can all call me unpatriotic I don't care!! Why didn't they stop when the first house went up! What are these people suppossed to do now! All their life savings gone..no wonder there is such a divide between the rich and the poor! Screw Orengo and everyone in gova and mostly RAO and KIBAKI! FU!!
NusuKappeti 3 months ago
Just another day in Kenya by the looks of things. Kenya should brace itself for nationwide civil unrest in the near future. Enough is enough
razr3g 3 months ago
these are some of the most painful moments considering these people are middle class, what a shame!!!! where is justice?
inzerass 3 months ago
And only this week a court granted Kibaki a plot in contention Galu Kinondu 10 even though he bought it from someone who had fiddled the title at the registrars office Kwale! There are no safe title deeds in Kenya, all land owners should be scared.
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kaungakaunga 3 months ago
What the hell!!@@ *^ Government has to be sued including the Prez and PM on a personal level. The reporter just said the matter is pending a ruling in a court of law on Tuesday but the GK has decide to preempt or hedge itself in case the court rules in the wananchi's favor..... so why did we pass a new constitution if we still resort to the old ways of exercising jurisprudence????
twigsbiz 3 months ago
@twigsbiz what if the court rules that they were there illegally and should vacate ?
Juluka69 3 months ago
Bl**dy hell! Unbelievable! These people are losing their single most important life investment. Did KAA not see all this activity on its land early enough to warn the unlucky wananchi? Urrgh!
wayne21026001 3 months ago
ministry of transport and the Kenya Airports Authority responsible. All this are led by Kibakis henchmen minister Kimunya , Eng. Stephen Gichuki
Managing Director Kenya Airports Authority and Mr. Martin Nyaga
Chairman Kenya Airports Authority. They should tell Kenyans why they are committing this crime.
72okoths 3 months ago
@72okoths The last I checked, JAMES ORENGO was Lands minister.
Waiswa1 3 months ago
what on earth was the ministry of land and kaa doing all this time if they knew that the piece of land had issues. I believe the government and more so the ministry of land should treat land and plot buyers with the dignity and sincerity they deserve.
woodunplunks 3 months ago
...too sad ....na vile they worked hard!!
1980aivilo1 3 months ago in playlist More videos from kenyacitizentv
O GOD have mercy on them buuut kwani do we have two ministries of land n council i dont belive any thing even the new constitution
mwakishaelvis 3 months ago
Hope hawatanifikia at utawala estate which is few km from AP camp
mbgah 3 months ago
This is really painful just to watch so one can imagine how it must be for those affected! Apparently it affects developments on a 4,000 acre area, makes you wonder who authorized sales on such a huge scale knowing fully that its KAA land!! This not only justifies my view that buying land in or around Nairobi is VERY risky but that the land/houses are overpriced because of the risk.
nicosituma 3 months ago
@nicosituma My brother no sale was authorized and that's why the whole deal was rotten in the first place. A land buying company (Mlolongo investments) conned guys into "buying" land they didn't legally own....get it ?
Juluka69 3 months ago
painful indeed... I actually shed a tear watching this.. Question is who approved the buildings in the first place? who allocated the the pieces of land? - terorrism is not an excuse. With the matter still in court this victims have to be compensated!
ruffcast 3 months ago
This is like a movie or a dream hala ! The Kenyan government is creating poverty.
I think some Kenyan politicians did not learn from Gaddafis predicaments how can the demolish peoples houses like that? Unbelievable .is this the new constitution that everybody pledged to respect ? if the matter is in court why the hurry?
72okoths 3 months ago
Our loss too & a black eye for us all coz its evidence to foreign investors that you can't trust any transactions with officialdom in kenya,that rule of law is weak & any contract is not watertight.
Jail all the city & ministry officials who signed .Transparency Inter'l is watching coz kenya is not known as most corrupt for nothing.
rashaenka 3 months ago in playlist More videos from kenyacitizentv
I agree the blame squarely lies with the Ministry of Land and the Kenya Airport Authority. I really feel sad for those guys, having been in a similar position along Thika road. I couldn't sleep for like a week, My wife and I had taken a loan with the hope of securing ourselves a good shelter. I was lucky the Ministry of roads compensated me, I vowed like @naidamu to buy land far away from Nairobi. I totally feel for those guys.
MrMartoem 3 months ago
This is sad..
mochax 3 months ago
I feel for the home owners, what was the airport authority doing when the survey and foundations of this houses was being developed? Sad indeed.
chaimoto 3 months ago
this is money the hardworking owners will never get back
sad sad sad but corruption is rife in the ministry of lands and council
Utadowot 3 months ago
very sad,how can they build an economy with this kind of lawlessness
maddproff 3 months ago
Blame squarely lies with City Council and Ministry of Lands.
drsugarcane 3 months ago
so sad
merkeju 3 months ago
..that is why I would NEVER buy land anywhere closeto Nai
naidamu 3 months ago
@naidamu Buying land in Kenya is like gambling, you can win big or you can lose everything
daniells71 3 months ago
...Moral of story, payback time. Let those who sold them the land or gave them authority to build on the land answer the hard questions...
Okolotube 3 months ago
@Okolotube Totally agree with you.
Juluka69 3 months ago