Joao Assis vs JT Torres 2009 BJJ US Nationals

[TCThundercat]

Totally agree with @bagelgod

[triangulovoador]

This ref is a dick.. he is in all bjj tournaments.. Looks like a freakin cock!

[kwallerevin]

J.t. This is why americans need to lear Portuguese. hahahah

[BloopBloopNet]

this is ridiculous.....wow



[seanzuske01]

Stop whinging, every bjj tournament is subject to bad refs. There is no global rule set. the judges aren't trained for specific tournaments. What I;m trying to say is just be better then the other guy.

[Ah4b]

Joao Assis is always good for a boring match. He is the Vladimir Kramnik of BJJ.

[soccerdios]

Blatant knee reap, ref and Joao should know better, shame on them.

[WhtMike2006]

JT was NOT complaining about the 50/50. If you pause at 1:40 Joao has a straight footlock with his outside leg reaping the knee, which is illegal in IBJJF tournaments and 9/10 times you will lose by DQ the milisecond your foot crosses the hip line. Bill Cooper was DQ's from the 2008 no-gi Worlds for a knee reap that wasn't half as bad as this. You can debate whether it should be legal or not, but under the rules, this should have been stopped at 1:37. If JT did it to Joao... it would've ended,

[cerfani]

that ref was blind or biased

[kanguesso]

@cerfani The Ref is Brazilian, Go figure.

[TheGarbagebelly]

yeah that was 50/50 guard. It seems to me, most people don't realize heel hooks are so damaging to the knees, since it's called a HEEL hook, they forget about how badly it will tear the knee ligaments :) I think if you're a professional grappler and at the black belt level that ALL submissions should be allowed; neck cranks, heel hooks. But yeah that was 50/50 guard

[Pattyg121212]

I see nothing wrong with 50/50 you just got to train it more! Ya it's a staller but if all Fails accept the sweep and work from there u already loosing the match

[superawesomejeff]

1:08 I almost think he should've gone for the twister.

[gjj4life]

STALLLEEERRRRRR JAAAOOOOO ASSSSIIISSSSSSSS SSSSSSTTTTAAAALLLLEERRRR!!!

[orlando1976]

jiu jitsu rules must change a lot...

[bagelgod]

A) BJJ guys should quit being so pansy about reaping the knee

B) If JT spent less time crying to the ref he could've tried something else

C) If Heel hooks were allowed this match would've been a lot shorter.

[kanguesso]

@bagelgod I agree. It was painful to watch a BJJ player of the caliber of JT crying to the ref almost the entire match.

[LilWane8306]

@bagelgod heel hooks aren't allowed in gi matches though ya jackass and for good reason....if you practiced BJJ you might understand why.

[bagelgod]

@LilWane8306 No shit they weren't allowed you idiot, that's why I specifically said "IF heel hooks were allowed". Can you read? Also I've been practicing BJJ for 8 years, and I think artifically creating holes in the footlock defenses of black belts by protecting them from heel hooks is stupid.

[LilWane8306]

@bagelgod heel hooks are dangerous as hell you dickhead. youve been practicing for 8 years? you sound like someone with little knowledge

[Rapidmeat]

Winning is Winning i guess! Total sleeper!

[MasterSafado]

Arbitro simplesmente ridiculo.

[121069]

nothing wrong with 50/50 guard well just pass it

[LilWane8306]

@121069 That was NOT 50/50

[121069]

@LilWane8306 what was it

[kifn2]

I've been looking around at various BJJ rules. Surprisingly, I can't find in the IBJJF rules where it outlaws reaping of the knee. Grappler's Quest rules says "No reaping...in all divisions, except Men’s & Women’s Advanced and Professional Divisions. In every tourney I've been to, they will tell you in the rules meeting that they don't allow it, but maybe in this one they allow it for advanced divisions.

[Donpaeng]

it really depends on the referee (the politics of being BRAZILIAN)

but yes reaping isn't allowed but i believe only while the opponent is standing. you can not put the leg across the hip in a leg lock position or in a single leg x-guard made famous by marcelo. not sure though if both men are on the ground. in no-gi though i believe they allow it for some reason in the adcc and GQ.

[Donpaeng]

@kifn2

but at 1.53 it wan't totally reaping of the knee because one leg wasn't isolated both JT's legs were trapped in a sort of guard position if you watch closely. 1:31 to 1:35

[nsxtcy85]

wow Torres is a whiny bitch.

[kifn2]

The first time it happened Joao knew he was reaping so he switched it at 1:53 before the referee could figure it out. The second time was a bit more questionable. Joao's leg was over JT's arm as well as his leg. Also, it looked like Joao was about to turn his hips over for a knee bar.

[Blackshinobi352]

I Just started doing bjj with the gi but i havent competed with a gi what was going on here?

[carlsongracieteam]

@Blackshinobi352 a lot of stalling from 50/50 guard, and some reaping the knee issues, was a very controversial match, and joao was using the 50/50 guard to stall out on 2 points, really disappointing to see guys win like that.

[zimmermandk]

Kanguesso-take it any way you want. I'm glad to help out. Have a good day

[XavierBJJC3MMA]

he is a cheater hold illega leg locks and the refs need to step they game up

[Donpaeng]

@XavierBJJC3MMA

BRAZILIANIZED.

[Narukaflame]

Wow I hate watching Joao Assis. So boring stalling the entire match even with a size advantage is not impressive at all. He has a good half guard/50 50 and leg lock game but that is all he uses and whenever it doesn't work he just holds it for ever.

[kanguesso]

I am not too familiar with BJJ tournament rules but what in the world was the guy in blue complaining about? He kept crying to the ref instead of concentrating on his opponent.

[zimmermandk]

@kanguesso Learn the rules, then you will understand



[kanguesso]

@zimmermandk Thanks professor Youtube guy. I'll take that to the bank.

[zimmermandk]

@kanguesso you wont learn anything at the bank. Try looking up reaping the knee though...Thanks for calling me professor, I'll take that to the bank.

[kanguesso]

@zimmermandk Nice to see you learn something for a change. I'll take your comment as a HUGE compliment.

[stevensilva]

he shouldv been dq'd on 2 occasions...def. brazilian favoritism...

[DeliriumzzZ]

could someone explain to me what was wrong with what was happening ? honest question :D i started bjj myself, so im interested what happened and why its not allowed ^^. thanks

[ceharrison06]

if i saw it correctly the other guy was reaping the knee which is illegal in ibjjf rules. That is what JT was complaining about.

[bjjartist]

@ceharrison06 you are correct

[bjjartist]

@DeliriumzzZ passing the foot over the hip on the OUTSIDE like Joao(white gi) did @ 1:38 is illegal under IBJJF rules. It's illegal because it creates extra pressure on the ligaments in the knee. Hope that breaks it down for you. Enjoy your BJJ journey.

[naomineeds]

ahhhh thanks ^^ very nicely explained. also immediately made sense cuz u can see clearly that it could end really bad for a persons knee =/.

^^and thankyou, i still am atm, hopefully i can train a bitmore after my exams =v

[ceharrison06]

@DeliriumzzZ

Like bjjartist said it puts added pressure on the ligaments especially on a heel hook or anklelock. you will feel it in your knee before your ankle or heel. So you will get double the damage done.

[bagelgod]

@ceharrison06

Bull. I've never seen someone get their knee hurt from reaping the knee, neither have sambo guys, neither has anyone in the history of time. IBJJF is just trying to keep their guys from getting leg locked, so now we have to deal with 50/50 stalls rather than getting straight ankle locked by a reaping the knee position.

[mysonisbadazz]

50/50 is a no gi position. With a gi it's not the same.

[crambo8]

The ref blew the call on this one. Joao should have been DQ'd. I was standing in the bullpen watching the match and JT protested the match. The ref had nothing to say to defend his decision, and the head referee said that he couldn't make a call because he didn't see it occur. Prejudice on the ref's part is what I think.

[noprevail1]

*ucking baby...just play jiu-jitsu.

[ParamountBJJ]

This was the same referee that immediately DQed Rafael Mendes for putting his outside leg across Cobrinha's hip for literally 1 second at the Pan Ams 6 months earlier. The referee/s need to maintain consistency with the rules, whatever they may be.

[bjjartist]

@ParamountBJJ really?? wow, maybe the IBJJF needs a refree board. then competitors can complain when stuff like this happens. Then the refrees can be dealt with accordingly by the board.

That's the best option in my opinion as it's a proven system used in other sports.

[BJJOPENS]

@bjjartist

Then we should start a petition to get IBJJF to create one.

[sayainrace]

joao shouldve got DQ for havinghis ankles crossed while grabbing the leg

[bjjartist]

you can cross your ankles during leg attacks thats perfectly legal(kneebars would never happen otherwise) you just cant reap the knee like Assis did at 1:38 its dangerous on the opponent's knee. So you're right on the DQ but your reasoning is wrong. Its no biggie though.

[sayainrace]

@bjjartist bullshit my reasoning isn't wrong

[ezekielbjj]

iso e amarraçao. O juiz tinha que ter punido o Joao. O JT ta certo.

[jjbmontpellier]

Jt Torres is absolutely right..you can't cruise the leg above your opponent knee from both sides

From 50/50 its good, but from the other side it s forbidenn , i don t knomwhere the referre took his ability to be a referee!!

It s dangerous for the opponent's knee and Assis made this move severals times....

[fedorlei]

he had both his feet trapped as he was reaping,, as soon as jt's second foot 1:52 is let free he switches to a non reaping figure 4

[bjjartist]

crazy reaping @ 1:38 seriously ref its right in front of you AND the guy is calling it to your attention worse no call i've ever seen in this sport. As much as I love the 50/50 Joao just killed it. In the gi you need to scoot into your opponent and get colar/sleeve grips then stuff happens in short sit up. If you lay on your back the result will be what you saw in the video. Charles/Mendes ADCC Pro is 50/50 guard w/ the gi @ its best. Learn the position then you'll understand. Thats what i did.

[pcbjjvirtus]

Nothing against Joao. I think he was trying to do something but I competed at the nationals last year and lost on points to a guy stalling. Its really getting old!!!! and the same reffs dont do anything about it! NONE OF THEM!!!!!!!

[djbinnj]

stall...sweep...stall...viewer sleeps...thanks for making jiu jitsu f'in boring...

Those who say jiu jitsu is boring can use this match as their evidence...

[poyerdude]

that's why the 50/50 in straight BJJ comps is so lame. You can't heel hook so people basically use it to stall until the last second and then try to sweep with it. Meanwhile, the match turns into a snoozefest.

[ZeCobraBJJ]

That is straight bullshit on the part of the referee Assis should have been DQ'ed! I'm a ref under the cbjj but I wouldn't ever think of cheating anyone regardless of their race or team they represent. BULLSHIT!!!

[ladavian]

assis plays like a bitch

[poyerdude]

reminded me of Rafeal Mendes/Cobrinha match from the Jiu Jitsu pro's.

[NickC1973]

stupid fucking ref!!! the reffing at the CBJJ tournaments SUCKS! The worst. fix it or never make it a legitimate sport.

[h00ray4b00bies]

that's bs, that ref should be banned from all future competitions

[ParamountBJJ]

Big time reaping the knee at 1:38

[Dabeskepsekret]

That was a really gay way to win on Assis part. Broke the knee reaping rule multiple times (if he were american, he would've been DQ'ed at the very thought of reaping the knee), and then stalled his way to victory.

Joao Assis = Bad for the sport

[cv0669]

at 1:51 the ref is about to make the dq motion and then stops as soon as Assis changes it kinda strange - wow he reaps the knee multiple times this ref needs to be reviewed or something

[radamez85]

im sure he wont be getting caught in that 5050 nomore..after all lloyds school w/ ryan hall at the time popularized the position until Rafeal Mendes defeated Cobrinha w/ it earlier this year.

[rdpatte2]

Wasn't Assis reaping the knee in several different positions during this match? I must be missing something.

[radamez85]

yes he reaping JTs knee..but unfortunately for JT..he is not brazilian.

thanks again for uploading thiis !