Plushenko did a quad... he didnt get deductions... still he gets second? i am not russian but im saying right here, he was robbed that olympic gold...
THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, evan lysacek simplemente apesta tu patinaje, besale los pies al maestro PLUSHENKO
solo los estadounidenses se tragan ese cuento de que evan gano porque lo merecia jajaja no jodan!si estuvo mas manejado que nada, todo el mundo sabe que plushy debio ganar, pero el daño esta hecho, aunque igual dudo que evan sea recordado por su "buen patinaje", porque mas bien creo que sera recordado como el atleta que le robo su medalla al mejor de la historia, y aunque tenga su medalla de oro, es un atleta mediocre que esta muy lejos del talento de plushy, pobre no quisiera estar en su lugar!
The program was beautifully skater. Lysachek is a brilliant skater! But, he's not my favorite. For me, he doesn't hold the stage presence that Plushenki, Wier, and Takahashi have. It may be personal, but despite it's beauty, the program bores me. However, no ill feelings toward the kid. He's talented and I'm happy that he won.
@jani1109 No one can ever discount what Plushenko has done for his sport. But for all of Plushy's greatness, Lysacek, on this particular night, was exactly what the new IJS wants, played the game, did NOT front load his program, was doing triples well into it, and as a result, won bonus points, and the game in Vancouver. I personally prefer the balletic stylings of Johnny Weir, and when I think of a skater that night that was truly robbed, Johnny Weir's name immediately comes to mind.
And as far as Lysacek being a theif..that medal was handed to him. If Plushenko's federation had felt he was robbed (by the judges, NOT by Lysacek himself..that is just plain NOT FAIR!) then they should have filed an appeal on his behalf. Why did thy not do this?? It was not Lysacek that 'took' the gold from Plushenko, it was his own Federation, with their silence. Trust me, if MY skater had lost by no more than Plushy lost by, I'd have been screaming at the top of my lungs for an appeal.
I'm sorry but both his 3F were on an outside edge. Did he get any deductions for this, like Johnny Weir did? If not, that would be egregiously unfair.
i totally agree! I think that Nagasu shoulve won over Flatt. I guess American judges like Flatts style better but look where that got her. 7th at the olympics and Nagasu got 4th there
I love Evan, truly I do..but like Banana down there, I LOVE Johnny Weir!! Classic artistry vs technical merit here.Let's evaluate the program, shall we? Evan goaded Johnny about not having a quad in his freeskate ("Just go for it" was the comment Evan made at the press conference). Evan FELL on his quad. Evan doubled an intended triple jump, made several smaller GOE errors. STILL scored higher than Johnny, who singled an intended triple, and made up for it later by adding elements & NO FALL-WTF
@EchelonSummer oh yeah..I like Johnny too...he's classic, in the style of the Russian greats...Hopefully he'll come back and get that elusive gold medal too :)
You people are so ridiculous. People in USA are biased for Lysacek? My mother is from the former Soviet Union and she never ceases to state that Lysacek is clearly the better skater than Plushenko, whose programs are tasteless with all the difficult technical elements packed into the first half of the program. A program with stamina-dependent triples all the way into the last 20-30 seconds of the program (Lysacek) is tenfold better than a single difficult quad in the very beginning (Plushenko).
@NewDawnFades608 No, they are not biased for Lysacek, they are biased against Plushenko, which isn´t the same thing. A lot of Russians who live in the USA or elsewhere outside Russia dislike Plushenko very, very much and it´s not because of his skating but because their own frustrations. Why do you think Ilia Kulik and Alexei Yagudin are more popular in North America than Plushenko???? Because they lived and trained there!!!!
@oofahman Yagudin is very self-centered too, I have to admit it even if I´m his fan. :) A lot of top athlets are self -centered because it´s impossible to be nº 1 if you don´t have self-confidence.
@SimonaCB I just like the guy...he's cute too LOL..anyway, I've always liked his programs. I also liked Klimova/Ponomarenko, Usova/Platov, Lu Chen and of course G&G :)
@SimonaCB LOL!! they are good also...I like Elena Berezhnaya...especially after that jerk she WAS with didn't even care when he accidently slashed her with his blade!! TERRIBLE! They go well together too :)
I love how they randomly threw a commercial for BGJW in the middle of this, haha. So much irony. Johnny is my favorite skater overall, but I like Evan a lot too. Screw the whole 'If you love one you must hate the other' thing.
I love how they just randomly threw a commercial for BGJW in the middle of this, haha. Johnny is my favorite skater, but I like Evan a lot too. Screw the whole 'If you love one you must hate the other' thing.
@unjaded2 they always do that. Also NBC shows endless commercials throughout giving minimal time for performances. That's why everyone says NBC stands for Nothing But Commercials! LOL!
Time to lay the debate about the Olympics to rest. Evan won the gold at the Olympics and he deserved it. Lots of Plushenko's landings were sloppy. Plushenko has lots of other golds including an Olympic gold of his own and has beaten Evan several times.
sorry, but you´re not right. Plushenko skated his program good and he was unstable just by jumping Axel. Lysacek´s jumping was not better. You have to watch his LP. The biggest difference between Plushenko´s and Lysacek´s skating from technical point of view was, that Lysacek didn´t jump quad. But he became more technical points. Unbelievably.
P.S. On this video is not Lysacek´s LP from Vancouver Olympics 2010.
@moniker24, I watched both recently and Lysacek use strategy to get all the levels on his spin and footwork, and his jumps were nicer. Plushenko almost fell on multiple jumps
.....................The thing i didnt understand was Lysacek could have done a quad. I saw him do one in LA at Paramount. I totally thought he was going to do one here but i guess he didnt want to risk it.
“I kind of took the side that if you did a clean program without the quad you can still win and you can be comfortable,” Chan said. “But to be honest, it’s a whole different level to be doing quads, a whole different level of confidence.”
“I understand now. I’m on the other side of the wall. It’s a level of excitement I’m talking about. You just elevate your program to that level of excitement where everyone else who has done quads, like Plushenko, has that excitement."
Insisto Evan si es bueno pero Plushenko es excelente!!!!! : ) el es el numero 1 lo ha demostrado muchas veces el se entrega en cada uno de sus presentaciones el si lo transmite y lo demuestra los demas solo son buenos....Plushenko number one!!!!!!
Да уж, достойное выступление для "ОЧ"!!! Дураку понятно, что медаль была куплена, и у Плющенко просто не было шансов, хоть он из штанов выпрыгни! Особенно после оценок за КП, когда несколько судей оценили пресловутые связки Жени на 20-е места!
I like Lysacek's performance much better than Plushenko- Lysacek had the more difficult program by having his jumps appear more THROUGHOUT his performance and not just front-loading it.
@ollieian "Lysacek had the more difficult program"-------- No, the base value of Plushy's LP was higher. Evan's not capable to perform Evgeni's programs with 4-3 combo in the beginning of each of them.
@ollieian Omg! You can write : "I like Lysa's program much better ". This is OK, because you are american. "Lysacek programs had the more difficult".... this is the most ignorant thing what i heard since the Oly. This is a very biased opinion. The single quad is the most difficult element in male FS. Plushenko did 4-3 combo. He was the best!! He is the real winner. Evan's program was girly or junior level program. The result will be controversial forever.
@Lilla0423 Yes my opinion is biased. You are acting as if your opinion is not biased either. The point that I am trying to make is that I think that Plushenko had an easier program because he had front loaded his programs with the difficulty, where as Evan's looked well-rounded with the difficulty in the last half of his program. I am sorry that you may not agree to that, but the judges did and thank God that they did.
@ollieian A front loaded program with 4+3 it´s not easier than a backloaded one with triple jumps, that´s an invention of NBC commentators, it would have been easier only if Plushenko had jumped the same combos as Evan but in the first part of the program. Why do you think Plushenko had trouble with his 3A? A lot of quad jumpers have problems with their jumps after a quad or a quad combo, specially those who aren´t so young anymore, Joubert it´s also a good example.
@ollieian If you watch this season´s programs you´ll see that skaters understood that it´s no point to have a quad combo in LP, they jump only quad and they add triples and doubles later. They collect more points and they don´t kill treir stamina since the beggining. That´s what Plushenko should have done and he would have won, triples and doubles are like a walk in the park to him.
“I kind of took the side that if you did a clean program without the quad you can still win and you can be comfortable,” Chan said. “But to be honest, it’s a whole different level to be doing quads, a whole different level of confidence.”
“I understand now. I’m on the other side of the wall. It’s a level of excitement I’m talking about. You just elevate your program to that level of excitement where everyone else who has done quads, like Plushenko, has that excitement."
The fact is Plushenko skated his program bad, a program isn't just a quad, and he was unstable in landing the jumps. He, and his fans, have to watch the mistake of his program, before speaking of Lysacek, simply as that.
@madaboutdanny I love the american ignorant in this matter. You watch the facts, you watch the scoring, and read what wrote Lilla0423. That is fact. And also fact, Plushenko got more points for his presentation. And he didn't say bad things about Evan. He spoke about the new scoring system.
To be honest,Lysecek shouldn't have won,there really isn't passion put into his skating,unlike Plushenko who worked much harder.Evan actually came 2 my school (Gregory in Naperville IL--his childhood middle school and home) and our principle said HE was giving a big speech,but the funny thing is,he only said the typical "Stay in school"and"Follow your dreams" thing for 6 min,then 1 of his guys came up andStarted telling us toVote for him on dancing with the stars for 15 min!wtf?total advertising
They need to check their facts!! Kristi Yamaguchi was reigning World Champion when she won the Olympics in 1992. She even was the World Champion as well.
After reading some comments here I´ve realised that a lot of posters didn´t even follow Lysacek´s or Plushenko´s olympic programs. One poster for example it´s talking all the time, not only on this video, about mistakes that Plushenko never did in Vancouver, like the two-foot landing. How can we decide who was the best if we don´t even know what they performed in their programs?
It's unfortunate how american public's been manipulated by NBC commentators and the press. For example, one big mistake: Plushenko got MORE points for his presentation. Oops! It can be seen in the Vancouver site. Plushenko was robbed. Evan by far from Plushenko's talent!
I don't know why the negative carping about a very strong skater with integrity. He's hit a Quad, securely, in competition a few times. As well in combination. With stress fractures in the feet the decision to walk more important. He understood how to skate cleanly in Vancouver, with the system, and Plushenko did not. We can be fans of other skaters, and still be objective.
@MGersten63 Evan wasn't cleanly. You don't know, because about this no said your media.
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36." Who is the real Champion?
@lala630312 You realize this YT is not the Olympic performance. We may never agree, but I was always more a Yagudin fan than Plushenko. Too much humor and not enough substance and heart. Look at Evan's Scheherazade from Korea; it's beautiful and secure. What is not beautiful is Plushy having a less than stellar Olympic performance and be a bad sportman, or even doing his best, not liking the judging and trashing the winner. It is possible that an American could win this occasionally, rightfully.
@MGersten63 You have not answered to my question, what do you think about NY Times article? The fact that Plushenko too much humor, and not enoughe substance, and heart, it is not true. If you look at Plushenko's old programs, you will see that he has the strongest, and the best artistic programs. You look at the Tribut to Nijinszki (the best program ever),Tango and Flamenco, Moonlight Sonata, Carmen, Adigio , or gala program in Vancouver,ect. His skating sometimes fanny, sometimes passionate.
@lala630312 I agree Plushy had technically wonderful programs, humor, and leader for years. But he returned 2010 thinking he could throw a Quad and his old moves, shakily, and be crowned. I think his insulting treatment of Evan a sore loser and bad sportsman, and more having to explain to his country in a wrong way what happened. Now he is stuck with that behavior that he probably regrets. You keep talking about one article to support your claim, and I don't agree. I could find another article.
@MGersten63@MGersten63 I saw the Korean show. The audience adored Plushenko, therefore Plushy received many gift. Laysa got polite applause. In the show must be entertain for audience. Is Plushenko bad sportman? Plushy had many injury, but he not want to compete without quad. He can do everything, difficoult footwork ect. Evgeni had risk, stronge programs, not only very pretty slipping. Evan won with the junior level program. Lysa is far from Plushenko's talent, this is everybody knows.
@lala630312 My last response to you.... I saw Evan's Scheherazade from Korea, and that was amazingly expressive and technically superior to me. I know Plushy has fan support, and that's wonderful. But you go to every Evan video to insult him. That's a lot of misplaced negativity in my opinion, but if that makes you happy....
@lala630312 My last response to you. I saw Evan's Scheherazade from Korea, and that was amazingly expressive and technically superior to me. I know Plushy has fan support, and that's wonderful. But you go to every Evan video to insult him. That's a lot of misplaced negativity in my opinion, but if that makes you happy....
@Algorithm16 Even though your response has been removed I would like to respond. People want the next champion to perform 4-3 or 3,5-3 or 3-3-2 or a single quad! FS fans don't want such champions like Evan! NBC bought "exclusive" ownership for All Vancouver Figure Skating Videos. If they feel their winner is rightly decided, they didn't have to do so. All the former Olympic sources are open in the web except for the Vancouver. What a shame..
yeah, yeah, yeah.......amazing, beautiful, brilliant.....but, he cannot do a quad, a big difference!....its too risky.....i think he is so tall, he takes so long to lift a leg
The thing about Lysacek is that he got the best coach who is Frank Carrol and he took him up to the top. Sometimes is not just the athlete, but also the people around him.
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36.
OMG! I'm so tired of the whining about Plushenko not winning. Did you watch the programs? Evan's artistry was 100 times better than Plushenko. All Plushenko did was blow kisses to the crowd. Evan skated a better program. Enough said!! Sounds like all you Plushenko fans need a little cheese to go along with all your "whine".
No kidding!!!! I don't think that people understand the scoring system. And people forget that figure skating is not ALL ABOUT JUMPING!!!!!! Quads are awesome, yeah, but I doubt those skaters who do quads will be able to walk when they are 60 yrs old. Whether people like it or not, Evan got gold, and Plushenko got silver, end of story. If they wanna whine, complain to the ISU who came up with the IJS! The judges just did their job!
I personally think that Evan skated better, both artistically and technically. I love Plushenko as well, but let's get real here. Plushenko's jump landings were shaky. If his jump landings weren't so shaky, he'd have gotten better GOEs and therefore won the gold. But that's not what happened at the Olympics. I understand the IJS very well. I was pissed when Flatt won Nationals over Nagasu... but what can you do? No matter what judging system they use, no one's ever happy!
@triciamatsuda Plushenko got more points for his presentation and his jumps. Do you know this? Well, even so in the free program Plushenko's total jump GOEs surpass Lysacek by 0.3 point . Lysacek got two combo deductions 3A-2T(-0.56), 3F-2T-2T(-0.40), while Plushenko got one triple axel deduction(-0.36), which means Lysacek's jumps were poorer. Judges simply didn't reflect this in PCS part. Besides, Lysacek deserves Flip edge deduction, which judges didn't do this:2-3 point-deduction.
@triciamatsuda Plushenko's some jumps were tilted, this leads to no bonus points. Since Lysacek got 2 deductions out of three combos, this means he made mistakes in his difficult jumps. If you know how to read scoring sheet, you cannot tell Plushy's jumps are not good, as Lysacek's were full of mistakes
@triciamatsuda Plushenko's some jumps were tilted, this leads to no bonus points. Since Lysacek got 2 deductions out of three combos, this means he made mistakes in his difficult jumps. If you know how to read scoring sheet, you cannot tell Plushy's jumps are not good, as Lysacek's were full of mistakes
I don't think Plushenko was at his best, however Lysacek was really not good at all. Plushenko didn't have a gold medal winning preformance however cause the competition sucked it was the best, he deserved it much more than Lysacek.
@jennsmith46 The problem is Evan won with technicly points, not with presentation points. This is ridiculous! Yes , figure skating is not all about jumping!!!!, but the male skaters need the quad. Plushy was manly! Female skaters dancing on ice, OK. But male skaters can make manly!!
@jennsmith46 Yes Evgeni was robbed! The majotity of figure skating fans say Plushy was the best. You are so ignorant in USA. You only hearded, that your media said. In media were disgusting attacks to Evgeni, before and after Oly. Look around on Youtube, and you will, what is the true. Evan got the gold from the new scoring system, corrupt judges, and money of NBC! Evan has an underrotated 3A, he got +GOE, no deduction, has a wrong-edged take on tripla flip, no 2-3 points deduction! Fraud!
@Luukashist I come here because of your post, and i watched Evan again. I don't like watch him. I can't find his artistry! Brrr! He can't jump, too tall, too stiff, isn't graceful. Really sorry! I can't tell to you new thing. I think, we discussed everything, Evan's marks was fixed, he isn't my champion, he isn't Oly Champ level skater...Sorry..
Yes, you only talking about marks, but don't forget that a few days ago you wrote: "no real artistry, hadn't transitions, ugly footwork". I couldn't find Evan's art, but i wanted. Do you think the "transition" = artistic skating? Look at this:/watch?v=7aGZXEs4dIE
Don't you think, that Evgeni was really artistry without transitions?I like, if "speaks"the whole body on ice. I like the speed, energy, big jumps and manly artistry. I want to see the difference between women and men.
@Luukashist Check out one after the other two programs. I think, no question who is the better. Transitions? Stupid thing, i'm tired of watching. But Evgeni's skating touches me, throughout interesting and exciting. /watch?v=GCsYyT296f0 i found with english commentar
He won in Vancouver because he deserved it. Quality of all his moves scored him above all the rest. It is NOT just a jumping contest. Perhaps some new language is needed to help some individuals understand this?
@nepadude Many peoples don't understand this. You are ignorant american, and you think, that Evan deserved the gold. The majotity of figure skating fans say, Plushenko was robbed! You read the comments on youtube. Some peoples like Evan,( only americans ).I live in Europe, and Europe support Evgeni! I watched Evan 's program more times, but he is so stiff and awkward, boring. He is not passionate not athlete, not artistry. I never accepted the result! The result was the big fraud.
@lala630312 He won because he deserved to win...plain and simple! The only ignorance is not seeing how well he skated....Plushy was all attitude and flailing arms.....Plushy had all his "tricks" jammed into the front of the program...and he had piss-poor transitions from ione move to the other. Obvioulsy the judges saw this as well.
@nepadude You are ignorant! You read the comments, the majority of comments support Plushy! You watched this video? Evan is so stiff ,awkward, and boring. And he never landed the prfect quad! Trainig the quad became less fun and more SCARY to do it! (Evan Lysacek) He is pitiful Champion! Do you read, what wrote the NY Times? The result was the big fraud! Yes, Evan skated clean program, but his program was junior level! You read, that MrEvan75 wrote. He is neither artist nor athlete!
@barkingtree88 Evgeni got 256.36 points (with the spins, ice coverage ect.). Evan got 257.67(with super everythings, 3A-2T, 3L-3T, ect). But he has an underrotated 3A and
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36.
You gotta be kidding me. Midori Ito could do a triple axel-triple toe you know. And she was the skaters in the 80s-90s. Wow, I thought I just saw a man skating. Well done, Lysacek.
The reason why Lysacek beat Plushenko is because Plushenko skated an unbelievably sloppy program with the last 2 minutes of it just hamming up to the crowd saying "look at me, I've won!" with no jumping passes, slow skating, and horrible spins! Lysacek had a well-rounded program and had a better skate, it's not all about the quad... I don't care if it's 1988 or 2028!
@barkingtree88 Ye, well-rounded program was junior level program. Ridiculous! He landed 3-2-2 jumps, what a man! Wow! Plushenko was the real winner! Evan is stiff, awkward, and mediocre! He never landed perfect quad. So pitiful champion!
@lala630312 No.... Junior level is doing all of your jumping passes at the beginning of the program and relying only on one jump to win a title. There's so much more to skating than just quadruple jumps... If you need to find an Olympic champ to bitch about, look at Alexei Urmanov!
@barkingtree88 You know, i'm not russian, i don't interesting Urmanov. You answere my questions! From NY Times: Lysa received only a judges warning for a wrong -edged take on his triple flip, not a 2-3 points deduction. Why? Evgeni has deduction on of 3A. Evan has an underrotated 3Axel, but you got +GOE points? Why? The results was the big fraud! After SP, 2 judges take Evgeni 22-23.place. Was this fair?
@lala630312 Your missing my point... I'm a fan of Plushenko, I was routing for him in Vancouver! I've never even been Evan Lysacek's fan. Sure Plushenko did a clean quad triple... But what else did he do? What about the spins? Ice Coverage? Speed? Late-in-the-program jumps? I'm sorry, but there are a lot of things he was simply lacking in during his return to amateur skating. And with all due respect, Plushenko's been over-scored on hundreds of occasions!
@barkingtree88 Evgeni got 256.36 points (with the spins, ice coverage ect.). Evan got 257.67(with super everythings, 3A-2T, 3L-3T, ect). But he has an underrotated 3A and
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36.
@barkingtree88 Experts like Stojko say Evan's speed was very slow. Why people argue over this is that Evan Lysacek was judged technically better despite his easy program components. Judges didn't deduct points off of his underroated 3 axel and wrong-edged triple flip. Evan got minus GOE for his 3F-2T-2T in his free program.
@barkingtree88 "Transition" makes the entire programs less speedy and I don't feel it beautiful. Jump is the most objective criterion in judgigng. As to step sequences, the differenes between level 3 and 4 is very arbitrary and unclear. Check the ISU rule. Deciding PCS based on steps, spins, etc is not objective enough.
@lbarkingtree88 Evgeni got level 3 in step sequences and Evan got 4. It's not like a matter between level 1 and 4.Even skilled ice-danceRs rarely get level 4. As to spins, Evan got higher mark than the spin-master Lambiel. As for jumps, Evan did get minus GOE for his 3F-2T-2T. and there are more jumps that should've been deducted : underrotated triple axel and wrong-edged triple flip.
@lala630312 you don't ACTUALLY get a 2-3 point deduction for an incorrect edge takeoff. You get negative grades of execution of either negative 2 or negative 3, and those transfer over into a certain amount of points (for example, for a negative 2 you might deduct .7 etc.) so the New York Times (and a ton of other people) misunderstood that. If you look at the score sheet Lysacek did get the proper negative grades of execution from -2s to -3s. Now the underrotated 3A I didn't eve know abt.
@barkingtree88 Do you think it's reasonable to give Evan the same PCS mark despite errors like underroated triple axel, wrong-edged triple flip? Not only Evan did not attempt quad, he got other mistakes as well. That's why his program was in junior level. If you wannat argue, then look at the score sheet and in which section Evan got score. Evan didn't outweigh Plushenko in spin, speed, steps but positive GOE for his poor jumps.
@hshim80 Keep in mind that you get a 10% bonus past the 2:00 mark. And this "rotation" bunk is really annoying to me... It's just another way for the {anonymous} judges to be able to bury skaters that they don't favor... (like Rachael Flatt and Johnny Weir). Plushenko had a sloppy triple axel, a sloppy triple lutz, sloppy spins, and the same arm-movements-and-jumps type of deal. His transitions weren't difficult enough either.
@barkingtree88 Yeah, but "sloppy" does not mean "underroation. "Transition" had not been used as criterion to judge the single event until the Vancouver Olympics, while Quad has been the measurement for 20 years. That's so controversail because it's originally ice-dance element. I don't believe everyone should skate like Abbot, Oda, etc.
@barkingtree88 Yeah but the irony is that Lysa's jump GOE surpassed Plushenko despite his jump errors. If there's no difficult jump like quad and triple axel, then what makes gender differences? Evan's jump sequences are all that the top 2 female skaters have: 3L-3t and 3A-2T. Even his triple axel got underroated but received GOE. Lysa's routine is on th level that the current junior skaters can repeat and even some female skaters do the same. What a pity.
@barkingtree88 If you call Evan's jumps clean, you must have missed his jump mistakes. Watch closely. Plushenko's jumps were fully rotated-neither underroated nor two-footed but Evan's were not. It's not a matter of artistry vs. Technicality because both has the same PCS score. It's a comparison within technical sphere.
Plushenko's each jump .3 GOE points average more than Evan's, which means that even judges marked Plushenko better in jump despite shaky landing. Evan got his triple axel-double toe-loop underroated but didn't get minus GOE. His 3F-2T-2T got minus GOE .Kim's jumps have height, strengh, and accuracy. That's the differences why experts say.
How interesting... It's the US nationals and the commentators are already conditioning the masses on how it doesn't make sense to include a quad, u can get more points without it, how Plushenko front loaded his routine in Torino, how it's more challenging to put your jumps in the second half and emotional intensity Lysacek adds to the second half makes it even more exhausting.- LOL What a nice piece of propaganda... Well, what can I say...It worked...
@sailormoon159159 May be he proved it to you. As for me Evan's place is 4th (I agree with Stojko) He was given gold but failed to prove that he is a real winner. sailormoon, "I love Evan" is not an argument. I adore Evgeni' skating but it doesn't matter for you.
@Chutson353 Can't you see that he is awkward, has no speed, no emotions. His jumps are low. Go and see Plushenko and Lambiel' footwork!!! "Evan is mediocre. "All Plushenko does is one quad" - you mean two combinations 4-3? His level is much higher than Lysacek's.
You watch this vid! Is this program interesting, exiting? no! this is not an olympic champion's performance! Evan is not speed, not graceful, not artistic. I don't understand....
you people are all NUTS and its people like you who are ruining this sport - a figure skating routine is not about one jump - All Plushenko does is one quad and then a bunch of back crossovers while he waves his arms around - Evan has got TONS of content in his program that you are just not sufficiently educated to recognize - this is a 4.5 minute routine - if a quad was all it was about it would be a .00001 second routine.
@Chutson353 But quads has defines one of the best skaters out there. And him not doing it, especially in the Olympics shows he is not the best in my book. And I'm a skater, I believe quads should be important, especially in mens figure skating. It defines many great skaters who did quads in the Olympics, like Alexei Yagudin, Timothy Goebel, Brian Boitano, Stephane Lambiel, and Evgeny Plushenko
@Chutson353 Plushenko didn't double the jump. He only got minus GOE in his triple axel. He landed every jump-neither two-footed nor underrotated. Look at the score sheet!
He is not olimpic champion! He is so mediocre! Evan fans you are blind? He is not graceful, not elegant! Heis only american! The tv commentators at every jumps was attention, very nervous! He is so far Plushenko's talent!! Evan really slid very nice, but this is not enough for the olimpic gold! He is so pitiful champion, he falled the simply 3 jump! I not remeber such mediocre olimpics gold medalist! i'm really sad! This was the big fraud!
Lysacek skated beautifully in Vancouver but how could it happen than he had a better score than Plushenko in the technical elements against the only skater who did a perfect quad-triple combination both in sp than in free skating? This is nonsense and clearly shows the score was fixed. Plushenko is the real olympic champion and far the best in the world.
@annamaria227 ...no, it doesn't clearly show the scoring is fixed but rather accurate... in the Code of Points its more than a just a jump combination, every entrance with preceding steps, every landing, every spin is judged and the quality give you a a higher grade of execution... and Evan worked that aspect of the system. Had Plushenko had better spins and landings on his jumps he would have won! In the new system landing a jump isn't enough it has to be done well; that was the difference
@toplay4fun2003 Instead of repeating propaganda why don't u look at the scores?
It's Lysa's jumps that were not clean. Plush got only one minor deduction. Lisa got two and should have gotten at least a 2 point deduction on his flip. U can preach about the system like it's perfect, forgetting that it's humans who put the marks down, or u can educate yourself on how Plush got robbed after the short program and the bias involved...
@annamaria227 the quad is not the only element in the world of figure skating. I don't understand why no-one seems to get this. By your standards then Mao Asada should have beat Kim Yu-Na for gold because she had a triple axel and kim didn't? Almost the same thing here. Evan's aristry was outstanding and what he did technically was perfect, even if it didn't include a quad.
@narniaprincess05 I believe Kim deserved to win but in men's program Plushenko should've won. Men's events were different from female's. Mao did clear jump mistakes. Plushenko landed every jump in his free but some of them were shaky- but neither underroated nor two-footed. Judges gave too much higer Program Component score for Evan's program. Both skaters got the same PCS but different TES.
@narniaprincess05 Evan didn't win for his artistry but for GOE(Technically). Also three judges placed Plushenko 21&22nd in "skating skills" after the short so that he didn't get points he deserved. His short was clean and perfect. In female competition, Mao fail to land her last jumps. Kim outskated her in many ways. Plushenko's case is somewhat different from female's.
@annamaria227 because the technical score also include the GOE or grade of execution. Although plushenko landed all the jumps he did not do so with Lysacek's ease and grace. He had to visibly fight for some of the landings. In addition he didn't do many jumps after the half way point, Lysacek did. Lysacek got better scores on his spins and step sequecnces as well. These little things add up to be worth more than a quad. Lysacek was smart and knew this.
@tinymavy He was a coward ,wasn't manly. The Olympic champion best be given, not be smart. He is a poor champion, soon forget his name. These little things add up to be worth more than quad? THIS IS RIDICULOUS! The quad is the most difficult , and the most masculin elements in the male FS! His program wasn't Olympic champion level.Therefore i say, that the new scoring system support the mediocrity!
@lala630312 You are angry at thet scoring system (which I agree needs to give the quad more weight) but you should not be mad at Lysacek. He and his coach figured out a way to win without the quad. He won by following the rules and respecting the sport, not flaunting his four-year old titles or saying vulgar things like another american we all know and love.
Plushenko did a quad... he didnt get deductions... still he gets second? i am not russian but im saying right here, he was robbed that olympic gold...
Popi80s 2 days ago
Oh dear me I can't bear to watch this. The man's a robot.
xmadaboutmusicxxx 1 week ago
THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, evan lysacek simplemente apesta tu patinaje, besale los pies al maestro PLUSHENKO
jani1109 2 months ago 3
Johnny Weir FTW! This dude lacks everything except bulk.
TeaPartyTutu 2 months ago
Why would u even watch the video if u comment "boring"?
annabelle0011 4 months ago
solo los estadounidenses se tragan ese cuento de que evan gano porque lo merecia jajaja no jodan!si estuvo mas manejado que nada, todo el mundo sabe que plushy debio ganar, pero el daño esta hecho, aunque igual dudo que evan sea recordado por su "buen patinaje", porque mas bien creo que sera recordado como el atleta que le robo su medalla al mejor de la historia, y aunque tenga su medalla de oro, es un atleta mediocre que esta muy lejos del talento de plushy, pobre no quisiera estar en su lugar!
LilitaEsperanza07 4 months ago
Boring.
dorca000 4 months ago 3
The program was beautifully skater. Lysachek is a brilliant skater! But, he's not my favorite. For me, he doesn't hold the stage presence that Plushenki, Wier, and Takahashi have. It may be personal, but despite it's beauty, the program bores me. However, no ill feelings toward the kid. He's talented and I'm happy that he won.
aquamarreene 5 months ago
SO BAD terrble skater i dont like this guy
k1berk 5 months ago 2
@k1berk and maybe he doesn't like YOU! :-p
oofahman 5 months ago
@k1berk Lysacek. Olympic. Champion. Vancouver. 'Nuff said.
EchelonSummer 5 months ago
@EchelonSummer THE GOD OF ICE PLUSHENKO, lysacek es un ratero, que regrese la medalla de oro
jani1109 2 months ago
@jani1109 No one can ever discount what Plushenko has done for his sport. But for all of Plushy's greatness, Lysacek, on this particular night, was exactly what the new IJS wants, played the game, did NOT front load his program, was doing triples well into it, and as a result, won bonus points, and the game in Vancouver. I personally prefer the balletic stylings of Johnny Weir, and when I think of a skater that night that was truly robbed, Johnny Weir's name immediately comes to mind.
EchelonSummer 2 months ago
@EchelonSummer Exactly-couldn't have said it any better. Thank you.
Lisa4174 1 month ago
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iloveplushenko 1 week ago
And as far as Lysacek being a theif..that medal was handed to him. If Plushenko's federation had felt he was robbed (by the judges, NOT by Lysacek himself..that is just plain NOT FAIR!) then they should have filed an appeal on his behalf. Why did thy not do this?? It was not Lysacek that 'took' the gold from Plushenko, it was his own Federation, with their silence. Trust me, if MY skater had lost by no more than Plushy lost by, I'd have been screaming at the top of my lungs for an appeal.
EchelonSummer 2 months ago
@EchelonSummer Check it "quadruple jump controversy" on Wikipedia.
iloveplushenko 1 week ago
@EchelonSummer Whole Russia thought, that Plushenko was robbed.
iloveplushenko 1 week ago
I'm sorry but both his 3F were on an outside edge. Did he get any deductions for this, like Johnny Weir did? If not, that would be egregiously unfair.
trojanrob24 6 months ago
@triciamatsuda
i totally agree! I think that Nagasu shoulve won over Flatt. I guess American judges like Flatts style better but look where that got her. 7th at the olympics and Nagasu got 4th there
iceskatergirl13 6 months ago
I love Evan, truly I do..but like Banana down there, I LOVE Johnny Weir!! Classic artistry vs technical merit here.Let's evaluate the program, shall we? Evan goaded Johnny about not having a quad in his freeskate ("Just go for it" was the comment Evan made at the press conference). Evan FELL on his quad. Evan doubled an intended triple jump, made several smaller GOE errors. STILL scored higher than Johnny, who singled an intended triple, and made up for it later by adding elements & NO FALL-WTF
EchelonSummer 6 months ago
@EchelonSummer oh yeah..I like Johnny too...he's classic, in the style of the Russian greats...Hopefully he'll come back and get that elusive gold medal too :)
oofahman 5 months ago
he's like a spinning torpedo.
ohanungsaya 8 months ago
You people are so ridiculous. People in USA are biased for Lysacek? My mother is from the former Soviet Union and she never ceases to state that Lysacek is clearly the better skater than Plushenko, whose programs are tasteless with all the difficult technical elements packed into the first half of the program. A program with stamina-dependent triples all the way into the last 20-30 seconds of the program (Lysacek) is tenfold better than a single difficult quad in the very beginning (Plushenko).
NewDawnFades608 8 months ago
@NewDawnFades608 No, they are not biased for Lysacek, they are biased against Plushenko, which isn´t the same thing. A lot of Russians who live in the USA or elsewhere outside Russia dislike Plushenko very, very much and it´s not because of his skating but because their own frustrations. Why do you think Ilia Kulik and Alexei Yagudin are more popular in North America than Plushenko???? Because they lived and trained there!!!!
SimonaCB 7 months ago 2
@SimonaCB AND they have a lot more class and are not so self-centered :)
oofahman 5 months ago
@oofahman Yagudin is very self-centered too, I have to admit it even if I´m his fan. :) A lot of top athlets are self -centered because it´s impossible to be nº 1 if you don´t have self-confidence.
SimonaCB 5 months ago
@SimonaCB I just like the guy...he's cute too LOL..anyway, I've always liked his programs. I also liked Klimova/Ponomarenko, Usova/Platov, Lu Chen and of course G&G :)
oofahman 5 months ago
Alexei and Ilia are both cute, especially Ilia!!! ;) I like G&G too but I think my favourite pair was Berezhnaya/Sikharulidze.
SimonaCB 5 months ago 3
@SimonaCB LOL!! they are good also...I like Elena Berezhnaya...especially after that jerk she WAS with didn't even care when he accidently slashed her with his blade!! TERRIBLE! They go well together too :)
oofahman 5 months ago
@NewDawnFades608 Right on, NewDawn! :)
oofahman 5 months ago
I love how they randomly threw a commercial for BGJW in the middle of this, haha. So much irony. Johnny is my favorite skater overall, but I like Evan a lot too. Screw the whole 'If you love one you must hate the other' thing.
BriannaBanana1 10 months ago
I love how they just randomly threw a commercial for BGJW in the middle of this, haha. Johnny is my favorite skater, but I like Evan a lot too. Screw the whole 'If you love one you must hate the other' thing.
BriannaBanana1 10 months ago
and i thought that johnny weir is gay. this is so girly and slow. aye yae yaey!!
psychoB8765 10 months ago
@psychoB8765 Korean attacked Johnny. Stop this madness!!
Kiki3141592 9 months ago
IT IS TO BAD THAT nbc LETS THESE MORONS BABALE ON THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE PERFORMANCE . SCOTT HAMILTON SHUT THE FUCK UP FOR 20 SECONDS
unjaded2 11 months ago
@unjaded2 they always do that. Also NBC shows endless commercials throughout giving minimal time for performances. That's why everyone says NBC stands for Nothing But Commercials! LOL!
plumbinggurl 11 months ago
yuna scheherazade program..is much better than evan..im just telling the truth..
centhoover 1 year ago
@centhoover i also prefer the music choreographed by david wilson. he is a genious..
sumimimi0 11 months ago
any of you guys have his olympic LP? it seems as if it is blocked or something...nobody seems to have it....
axonhillock 1 year ago
@axonhillock You can watch his LP here on youtube, it´s not blocked., /watch?v=T0LSf1ot1bQ.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
@SimonaCB thanks for the info but i think i was clear with my inquiry as to what i was looking for :)
Olympic LP not Nationals...
axonhillock 1 year ago
@axonhillock It´s his Olympic LP, that channel olympicvids2010 has all the olympic videos, SP and FS.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
@SimonaCB thanks a lot!!!
axonhillock 1 year ago
Time to lay the debate about the Olympics to rest. Evan won the gold at the Olympics and he deserved it. Lots of Plushenko's landings were sloppy. Plushenko has lots of other golds including an Olympic gold of his own and has beaten Evan several times.
chuhboemember6 1 year ago
Plushenko is the real winner. Evan is boring, and isn't graceful. He hasn't charisma.
I'm sorry Americans....
iloveplushenko 1 year ago
@iloveplushenko
plushenko, like most russians, sucks dog-shit.
ncguy27215 1 year ago
@ncguy27215 I'm not russian. But who wrote such comment, that is uneducated and ignorant.
iloveplushenko 1 year ago
@iloveplushenko Wow! Me too! I think that Plushenko is platinum medal!
Kiki3141592 9 months ago 3
@Kiki3141592 maybe a platinum toilet bowl would be a much more appropriate gift >:-)
oofahman 5 months ago
@oofahman Nobody laugh at your worthless joke. I feel "silly ho" ♪
Kiki3141592 5 months ago
@Kiki3141592 So? Who gives a sweet shit??
oofahman 5 months ago
@oofahman TLC.
Kiki3141592 5 months ago
@Kiki3141592 I agree .
iloveplushenko 5 months ago
@madaboutdanny
sorry, but you´re not right. Plushenko skated his program good and he was unstable just by jumping Axel. Lysacek´s jumping was not better. You have to watch his LP. The biggest difference between Plushenko´s and Lysacek´s skating from technical point of view was, that Lysacek didn´t jump quad. But he became more technical points. Unbelievably.
P.S. On this video is not Lysacek´s LP from Vancouver Olympics 2010.
moniker24 1 year ago 23
@moniker24, I watched both recently and Lysacek use strategy to get all the levels on his spin and footwork, and his jumps were nicer. Plushenko almost fell on multiple jumps
MrAmazingness1234567 4 months ago
.....................The thing i didnt understand was Lysacek could have done a quad. I saw him do one in LA at Paramount. I totally thought he was going to do one here but i guess he didnt want to risk it.
starcats8 1 year ago
@starcats8 He was injured before so he didn't want to risk the attempt by doing a quad since that could affect his skating.
lovelygurl1208 1 year ago
@lovelygurl1208 Yes, thus he wasn't the best.
iloveplushenko 1 year ago
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P. Chan:
“I kind of took the side that if you did a clean program without the quad you can still win and you can be comfortable,” Chan said. “But to be honest, it’s a whole different level to be doing quads, a whole different level of confidence.”
“I understand now. I’m on the other side of the wall. It’s a level of excitement I’m talking about. You just elevate your program to that level of excitement where everyone else who has done quads, like Plushenko, has that excitement."
lala630312 1 year ago
Insisto Evan si es bueno pero Plushenko es excelente!!!!! : ) el es el numero 1 lo ha demostrado muchas veces el se entrega en cada uno de sus presentaciones el si lo transmite y lo demuestra los demas solo son buenos....Plushenko number one!!!!!!
felinawolf 1 year ago
Да уж, достойное выступление для "ОЧ"!!! Дураку понятно, что медаль была куплена, и у Плющенко просто не было шансов, хоть он из штанов выпрыгни! Особенно после оценок за КП, когда несколько судей оценили пресловутые связки Жени на 20-е места!
alishavalath 1 year ago
I like Lysacek's performance much better than Plushenko- Lysacek had the more difficult program by having his jumps appear more THROUGHOUT his performance and not just front-loading it.
ollieian 1 year ago 4
@ollieian "Lysacek had the more difficult program"-------- No, the base value of Plushy's LP was higher. Evan's not capable to perform Evgeni's programs with 4-3 combo in the beginning of each of them.
MrEvan75 1 year ago
@MrEvan75 The program is georgeus.. the problem is the skater ..
betolala 1 year ago 20
@betolala How is Evan a problem?
Love4Pop 1 year ago
@ollieian Omg! You can write : "I like Lysa's program much better ". This is OK, because you are american. "Lysacek programs had the more difficult".... this is the most ignorant thing what i heard since the Oly. This is a very biased opinion. The single quad is the most difficult element in male FS. Plushenko did 4-3 combo. He was the best!! He is the real winner. Evan's program was girly or junior level program. The result will be controversial forever.
Lilla0423 1 year ago
@Lilla0423 Yes my opinion is biased. You are acting as if your opinion is not biased either. The point that I am trying to make is that I think that Plushenko had an easier program because he had front loaded his programs with the difficulty, where as Evan's looked well-rounded with the difficulty in the last half of his program. I am sorry that you may not agree to that, but the judges did and thank God that they did.
ollieian 1 year ago
@ollieian A front loaded program with 4+3 it´s not easier than a backloaded one with triple jumps, that´s an invention of NBC commentators, it would have been easier only if Plushenko had jumped the same combos as Evan but in the first part of the program. Why do you think Plushenko had trouble with his 3A? A lot of quad jumpers have problems with their jumps after a quad or a quad combo, specially those who aren´t so young anymore, Joubert it´s also a good example.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
@ollieian If you watch this season´s programs you´ll see that skaters understood that it´s no point to have a quad combo in LP, they jump only quad and they add triples and doubles later. They collect more points and they don´t kill treir stamina since the beggining. That´s what Plushenko should have done and he would have won, triples and doubles are like a walk in the park to him.
SimonaCB 1 year ago
@ollieian P. Chan:
“I kind of took the side that if you did a clean program without the quad you can still win and you can be comfortable,” Chan said. “But to be honest, it’s a whole different level to be doing quads, a whole different level of confidence.”
“I understand now. I’m on the other side of the wall. It’s a level of excitement I’m talking about. You just elevate your program to that level of excitement where everyone else who has done quads, like Plushenko, has that excitement."
lala630312 1 year ago 11
@Lilla0423
The fact is Plushenko skated his program bad, a program isn't just a quad, and he was unstable in landing the jumps. He, and his fans, have to watch the mistake of his program, before speaking of Lysacek, simply as that.
madaboutdanny 1 year ago
@madaboutdanny I love the american ignorant in this matter. You watch the facts, you watch the scoring, and read what wrote Lilla0423. That is fact. And also fact, Plushenko got more points for his presentation. And he didn't say bad things about Evan. He spoke about the new scoring system.
lala630312 1 year ago 6
Im in the same figure skating club as him =] Ive met him alot.. hes rather stuckup. Amazing skater though!
iceskater276 1 year ago
To be honest,Lysecek shouldn't have won,there really isn't passion put into his skating,unlike Plushenko who worked much harder.Evan actually came 2 my school (Gregory in Naperville IL--his childhood middle school and home) and our principle said HE was giving a big speech,but the funny thing is,he only said the typical "Stay in school"and"Follow your dreams" thing for 6 min,then 1 of his guys came up andStarted telling us toVote for him on dancing with the stars for 15 min!wtf?total advertising
SonjaCutie14 1 year ago
They need to check their facts!! Kristi Yamaguchi was reigning World Champion when she won the Olympics in 1992. She even was the World Champion as well.
ollieian 1 year ago
@ollieian And this is the MEN's figure skating program, so yeah.
tangomecrazy 1 year ago
hes the olympic champ get over it losers!
chicagoguy19 1 year ago
Music helped his performance. that's it.
LilyAndFlanky 1 year ago
After reading some comments here I´ve realised that a lot of posters didn´t even follow Lysacek´s or Plushenko´s olympic programs. One poster for example it´s talking all the time, not only on this video, about mistakes that Plushenko never did in Vancouver, like the two-foot landing. How can we decide who was the best if we don´t even know what they performed in their programs?
SimonaCB 1 year ago
It's unfortunate how american public's been manipulated by NBC commentators and the press. For example, one big mistake: Plushenko got MORE points for his presentation. Oops! It can be seen in the Vancouver site. Plushenko was robbed. Evan by far from Plushenko's talent!
dorca000 1 year ago
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Algorithm16 1 year ago
@Algorithm16 yeah only two triple jumps are allowed to be repeated. last year we got to do 3 double axels, now we need only two.
fanboys7 1 year ago
@fanboys7 Good luck to compete in the next season...
lala630312 1 year ago
great outfit design!!!! by Vera Wang, of course...
frozenwinterprince2 1 year ago
Lysacek is not so bad, but Plushenko has a talent from God.
National differences do not matter. It's just a fact
which admittedly
nenarocom 1 year ago
I don't know why the negative carping about a very strong skater with integrity. He's hit a Quad, securely, in competition a few times. As well in combination. With stress fractures in the feet the decision to walk more important. He understood how to skate cleanly in Vancouver, with the system, and Plushenko did not. We can be fans of other skaters, and still be objective.
MGersten63 1 year ago
@MGersten63 Evan wasn't cleanly. You don't know, because about this no said your media.
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36." Who is the real Champion?
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 You realize this YT is not the Olympic performance. We may never agree, but I was always more a Yagudin fan than Plushenko. Too much humor and not enough substance and heart. Look at Evan's Scheherazade from Korea; it's beautiful and secure. What is not beautiful is Plushy having a less than stellar Olympic performance and be a bad sportman, or even doing his best, not liking the judging and trashing the winner. It is possible that an American could win this occasionally, rightfully.
MGersten63 1 year ago
@MGersten63 You have not answered to my question, what do you think about NY Times article? The fact that Plushenko too much humor, and not enoughe substance, and heart, it is not true. If you look at Plushenko's old programs, you will see that he has the strongest, and the best artistic programs. You look at the Tribut to Nijinszki (the best program ever),Tango and Flamenco, Moonlight Sonata, Carmen, Adigio , or gala program in Vancouver,ect. His skating sometimes fanny, sometimes passionate.
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 I agree Plushy had technically wonderful programs, humor, and leader for years. But he returned 2010 thinking he could throw a Quad and his old moves, shakily, and be crowned. I think his insulting treatment of Evan a sore loser and bad sportsman, and more having to explain to his country in a wrong way what happened. Now he is stuck with that behavior that he probably regrets. You keep talking about one article to support your claim, and I don't agree. I could find another article.
MGersten63 1 year ago
@MGersten63 @MGersten63 I saw the Korean show. The audience adored Plushenko, therefore Plushy received many gift. Laysa got polite applause. In the show must be entertain for audience. Is Plushenko bad sportman? Plushy had many injury, but he not want to compete without quad. He can do everything, difficoult footwork ect. Evgeni had risk, stronge programs, not only very pretty slipping. Evan won with the junior level program. Lysa is far from Plushenko's talent, this is everybody knows.
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 My last response to you.... I saw Evan's Scheherazade from Korea, and that was amazingly expressive and technically superior to me. I know Plushy has fan support, and that's wonderful. But you go to every Evan video to insult him. That's a lot of misplaced negativity in my opinion, but if that makes you happy....
MGersten63 1 year ago
@MGersten63 Ok. My last response to you: I don't like the Fraud in the sports.
lala630312 1 year ago
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@lala630312 My last response to you. I saw Evan's Scheherazade from Korea, and that was amazingly expressive and technically superior to me. I know Plushy has fan support, and that's wonderful. But you go to every Evan video to insult him. That's a lot of misplaced negativity in my opinion, but if that makes you happy....
MGersten63 1 year ago
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Algorithm16 1 year ago
@Algorithm16 Even though your response has been removed I would like to respond. People want the next champion to perform 4-3 or 3,5-3 or 3-3-2 or a single quad! FS fans don't want such champions like Evan! NBC bought "exclusive" ownership for All Vancouver Figure Skating Videos. If they feel their winner is rightly decided, they didn't have to do so. All the former Olympic sources are open in the web except for the Vancouver. What a shame..
lala630312 1 year ago
yeah, yeah, yeah.......amazing, beautiful, brilliant.....but, he cannot do a quad, a big difference!....its too risky.....i think he is so tall, he takes so long to lift a leg
msmercy123vz 1 year ago
The thing about Lysacek is that he got the best coach who is Frank Carrol and he took him up to the top. Sometimes is not just the athlete, but also the people around him.
veronica121971 1 year ago
He's so brilliant and incredible!!
starrbeatlesqueen 1 year ago
@starrbeatlesqueen Hahaha! you are so biased!
lala630312 1 year ago
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From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36.
Who is the real Champion???
lala630312 1 year ago
OMG! I'm so tired of the whining about Plushenko not winning. Did you watch the programs? Evan's artistry was 100 times better than Plushenko. All Plushenko did was blow kisses to the crowd. Evan skated a better program. Enough said!! Sounds like all you Plushenko fans need a little cheese to go along with all your "whine".
jennsmith46 1 year ago
@jennsmith46
No kidding!!!! I don't think that people understand the scoring system. And people forget that figure skating is not ALL ABOUT JUMPING!!!!!! Quads are awesome, yeah, but I doubt those skaters who do quads will be able to walk when they are 60 yrs old. Whether people like it or not, Evan got gold, and Plushenko got silver, end of story. If they wanna whine, complain to the ISU who came up with the IJS! The judges just did their job!
triciamatsuda 1 year ago
@triciamatsuda Absolutely!!! I totally agree.
jennsmith46 1 year ago
@jennsmith46
I personally think that Evan skated better, both artistically and technically. I love Plushenko as well, but let's get real here. Plushenko's jump landings were shaky. If his jump landings weren't so shaky, he'd have gotten better GOEs and therefore won the gold. But that's not what happened at the Olympics. I understand the IJS very well. I was pissed when Flatt won Nationals over Nagasu... but what can you do? No matter what judging system they use, no one's ever happy!
triciamatsuda 1 year ago 24
@triciamatsuda Plushenko got more points for his presentation and his jumps. Do you know this? Well, even so in the free program Plushenko's total jump GOEs surpass Lysacek by 0.3 point . Lysacek got two combo deductions 3A-2T(-0.56), 3F-2T-2T(-0.40), while Plushenko got one triple axel deduction(-0.36), which means Lysacek's jumps were poorer. Judges simply didn't reflect this in PCS part. Besides, Lysacek deserves Flip edge deduction, which judges didn't do this:2-3 point-deduction.
Lilla0423 1 year ago
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@triciamatsuda Plushenko's some jumps were tilted, this leads to no bonus points. Since Lysacek got 2 deductions out of three combos, this means he made mistakes in his difficult jumps. If you know how to read scoring sheet, you cannot tell Plushy's jumps are not good, as Lysacek's were full of mistakes
Lilla0423 1 year ago
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@triciamatsuda Plushenko's some jumps were tilted, this leads to no bonus points. Since Lysacek got 2 deductions out of three combos, this means he made mistakes in his difficult jumps. If you know how to read scoring sheet, you cannot tell Plushy's jumps are not good, as Lysacek's were full of mistakes
Lilla0423 1 year ago
@triciamatsuda
I don't think Plushenko was at his best, however Lysacek was really not good at all. Plushenko didn't have a gold medal winning preformance however cause the competition sucked it was the best, he deserved it much more than Lysacek.
trophymursky 9 months ago 11
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oofahman 5 months ago
@jennsmith46 The problem is Evan won with technicly points, not with presentation points. This is ridiculous! Yes , figure skating is not all about jumping!!!!, but the male skaters need the quad. Plushy was manly! Female skaters dancing on ice, OK. But male skaters can make manly!!
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 WHATEVER! Plushenko fans will continue to whine and claim they were "robbed". GET OVER IT!
jennsmith46 1 year ago
@jennsmith46 Yes Evgeni was robbed! The majotity of figure skating fans say Plushy was the best. You are so ignorant in USA. You only hearded, that your media said. In media were disgusting attacks to Evgeni, before and after Oly. Look around on Youtube, and you will, what is the true. Evan got the gold from the new scoring system, corrupt judges, and money of NBC! Evan has an underrotated 3A, he got +GOE, no deduction, has a wrong-edged take on tripla flip, no 2-3 points deduction! Fraud!
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 Actually, Lysacek did also receive negative grades of execution for his triple axel, and as I said before for the flip
Luukashist 1 year ago
@Luukashist I come here because of your post, and i watched Evan again. I don't like watch him. I can't find his artistry! Brrr! He can't jump, too tall, too stiff, isn't graceful. Really sorry! I can't tell to you new thing. I think, we discussed everything, Evan's marks was fixed, he isn't my champion, he isn't Oly Champ level skater...Sorry..
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 I wasn't talking about artistry, I was only making a point about his scores.
Luukashist 1 year ago
@Luukashist
Yes, you only talking about marks, but don't forget that a few days ago you wrote: "no real artistry, hadn't transitions, ugly footwork". I couldn't find Evan's art, but i wanted. Do you think the "transition" = artistic skating? Look at this:/watch?v=7aGZXEs4dIE
Don't you think, that Evgeni was really artistry without transitions?I like, if "speaks"the whole body on ice. I like the speed, energy, big jumps and manly artistry. I want to see the difference between women and men.
lala630312 1 year ago
@Luukashist Check out one after the other two programs. I think, no question who is the better. Transitions? Stupid thing, i'm tired of watching. But Evgeni's skating touches me, throughout interesting and exciting. /watch?v=GCsYyT296f0 i found with english commentar
lala630312 1 year ago
He won in Vancouver because he deserved it. Quality of all his moves scored him above all the rest. It is NOT just a jumping contest. Perhaps some new language is needed to help some individuals understand this?
nepadude 1 year ago
@nepadude Many peoples don't understand this. You are ignorant american, and you think, that Evan deserved the gold. The majotity of figure skating fans say, Plushenko was robbed! You read the comments on youtube. Some peoples like Evan,( only americans ).I live in Europe, and Europe support Evgeni! I watched Evan 's program more times, but he is so stiff and awkward, boring. He is not passionate not athlete, not artistry. I never accepted the result! The result was the big fraud.
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 He won because he deserved to win...plain and simple! The only ignorance is not seeing how well he skated....Plushy was all attitude and flailing arms.....Plushy had all his "tricks" jammed into the front of the program...and he had piss-poor transitions from ione move to the other. Obvioulsy the judges saw this as well.
nepadude 1 year ago
@nepadude You are ignorant! You read the comments, the majority of comments support Plushy! You watched this video? Evan is so stiff ,awkward, and boring. And he never landed the prfect quad! Trainig the quad became less fun and more SCARY to do it! (Evan Lysacek) He is pitiful Champion! Do you read, what wrote the NY Times? The result was the big fraud! Yes, Evan skated clean program, but his program was junior level! You read, that MrEvan75 wrote. He is neither artist nor athlete!
lala630312 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 Evgeni got 256.36 points (with the spins, ice coverage ect.). Evan got 257.67(with super everythings, 3A-2T, 3L-3T, ect). But he has an underrotated 3A and
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36.
Who is the real champion?
lala630312 1 year ago
You gotta be kidding me. Midori Ito could do a triple axel-triple toe you know. And she was the skaters in the 80s-90s. Wow, I thought I just saw a man skating. Well done, Lysacek.
kev7978 1 year ago
The reason why Lysacek beat Plushenko is because Plushenko skated an unbelievably sloppy program with the last 2 minutes of it just hamming up to the crowd saying "look at me, I've won!" with no jumping passes, slow skating, and horrible spins! Lysacek had a well-rounded program and had a better skate, it's not all about the quad... I don't care if it's 1988 or 2028!
barkingtree88 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 Ye, well-rounded program was junior level program. Ridiculous! He landed 3-2-2 jumps, what a man! Wow! Plushenko was the real winner! Evan is stiff, awkward, and mediocre! He never landed perfect quad. So pitiful champion!
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 No.... Junior level is doing all of your jumping passes at the beginning of the program and relying only on one jump to win a title. There's so much more to skating than just quadruple jumps... If you need to find an Olympic champ to bitch about, look at Alexei Urmanov!
barkingtree88 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 You know, i'm not russian, i don't interesting Urmanov. You answere my questions! From NY Times: Lysa received only a judges warning for a wrong -edged take on his triple flip, not a 2-3 points deduction. Why? Evgeni has deduction on of 3A. Evan has an underrotated 3Axel, but you got +GOE points? Why? The results was the big fraud! After SP, 2 judges take Evgeni 22-23.place. Was this fair?
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 Your missing my point... I'm a fan of Plushenko, I was routing for him in Vancouver! I've never even been Evan Lysacek's fan. Sure Plushenko did a clean quad triple... But what else did he do? What about the spins? Ice Coverage? Speed? Late-in-the-program jumps? I'm sorry, but there are a lot of things he was simply lacking in during his return to amateur skating. And with all due respect, Plushenko's been over-scored on hundreds of occasions!
barkingtree88 1 year ago
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@barkingtree88 Evgeni got 256.36 points (with the spins, ice coverage ect.). Evan got 257.67(with super everythings, 3A-2T, 3L-3T, ect). But he has an underrotated 3A and
From NY Times ( /2010/02/20/sports/olympics/20longman.html) : Lysacek received only a judges warning for a wrong-edged takeoff on his triple flip, not a 2- or 3-point deduction that would have changed the outcome, which was narrowly decided in his favor by 257.67 points to 256.36.
Who is the real Champion?
lala630312 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 Experts like Stojko say Evan's speed was very slow. Why people argue over this is that Evan Lysacek was judged technically better despite his easy program components. Judges didn't deduct points off of his underroated 3 axel and wrong-edged triple flip. Evan got minus GOE for his 3F-2T-2T in his free program.
hshim80 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 "Transition" makes the entire programs less speedy and I don't feel it beautiful. Jump is the most objective criterion in judgigng. As to step sequences, the differenes between level 3 and 4 is very arbitrary and unclear. Check the ISU rule. Deciding PCS based on steps, spins, etc is not objective enough.
hshim80 1 year ago
@lbarkingtree88 Evgeni got level 3 in step sequences and Evan got 4. It's not like a matter between level 1 and 4.Even skilled ice-danceRs rarely get level 4. As to spins, Evan got higher mark than the spin-master Lambiel. As for jumps, Evan did get minus GOE for his 3F-2T-2T. and there are more jumps that should've been deducted : underrotated triple axel and wrong-edged triple flip.
hshim80 1 year ago
@lala630312 you don't ACTUALLY get a 2-3 point deduction for an incorrect edge takeoff. You get negative grades of execution of either negative 2 or negative 3, and those transfer over into a certain amount of points (for example, for a negative 2 you might deduct .7 etc.) so the New York Times (and a ton of other people) misunderstood that. If you look at the score sheet Lysacek did get the proper negative grades of execution from -2s to -3s. Now the underrotated 3A I didn't eve know abt.
Luukashist 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 Do you think it's reasonable to give Evan the same PCS mark despite errors like underroated triple axel, wrong-edged triple flip? Not only Evan did not attempt quad, he got other mistakes as well. That's why his program was in junior level. If you wannat argue, then look at the score sheet and in which section Evan got score. Evan didn't outweigh Plushenko in spin, speed, steps but positive GOE for his poor jumps.
hshim80 1 year ago
@hshim80 Keep in mind that you get a 10% bonus past the 2:00 mark. And this "rotation" bunk is really annoying to me... It's just another way for the {anonymous} judges to be able to bury skaters that they don't favor... (like Rachael Flatt and Johnny Weir). Plushenko had a sloppy triple axel, a sloppy triple lutz, sloppy spins, and the same arm-movements-and-jumps type of deal. His transitions weren't difficult enough either.
barkingtree88 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 Yeah, but "sloppy" does not mean "underroation. "Transition" had not been used as criterion to judge the single event until the Vancouver Olympics, while Quad has been the measurement for 20 years. That's so controversail because it's originally ice-dance element. I don't believe everyone should skate like Abbot, Oda, etc.
hshim80 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 Yeah but the irony is that Lysa's jump GOE surpassed Plushenko despite his jump errors. If there's no difficult jump like quad and triple axel, then what makes gender differences? Evan's jump sequences are all that the top 2 female skaters have: 3L-3t and 3A-2T. Even his triple axel got underroated but received GOE. Lysa's routine is on th level that the current junior skaters can repeat and even some female skaters do the same. What a pity.
hshim80 1 year ago
@barkingtree88 If you call Evan's jumps clean, you must have missed his jump mistakes. Watch closely. Plushenko's jumps were fully rotated-neither underroated nor two-footed but Evan's were not. It's not a matter of artistry vs. Technicality because both has the same PCS score. It's a comparison within technical sphere.
hshim80 1 year ago
Plushenko's each jump .3 GOE points average more than Evan's, which means that even judges marked Plushenko better in jump despite shaky landing. Evan got his triple axel-double toe-loop underroated but didn't get minus GOE. His 3F-2T-2T got minus GOE .Kim's jumps have height, strengh, and accuracy. That's the differences why experts say.
hshim80 1 year ago
How interesting... It's the US nationals and the commentators are already conditioning the masses on how it doesn't make sense to include a quad, u can get more points without it, how Plushenko front loaded his routine in Torino, how it's more challenging to put your jumps in the second half and emotional intensity Lysacek adds to the second half makes it even more exhausting.- LOL What a nice piece of propaganda... Well, what can I say...It worked...
Jotrum 1 year ago
@Jotrum ... just because you don't agree with the outcome doesn't necessarily = propaganda!
toplay4fun2003 1 year ago
@toplay4fun2003 Just because you agree with the outcome doesn't mean that it's not propaganda.
Jotrum 1 year ago
He won Olympic gold. Now let's see him win DWTS!!! Vote Evan!
starrbeatlesqueen 1 year ago
@sailormoon159159 May be he proved it to you. As for me Evan's place is 4th (I agree with Stojko) He was given gold but failed to prove that he is a real winner. sailormoon, "I love Evan" is not an argument. I adore Evgeni' skating but it doesn't matter for you.
MrEvan75 1 year ago 2
@Chutson353 Can't you see that he is awkward, has no speed, no emotions. His jumps are low. Go and see Plushenko and Lambiel' footwork!!! "Evan is mediocre. "All Plushenko does is one quad" - you mean two combinations 4-3? His level is much higher than Lysacek's.
MrEvan75 1 year ago
You watch this vid! Is this program interesting, exiting? no! this is not an olympic champion's performance! Evan is not speed, not graceful, not artistic. I don't understand....
lala630312 1 year ago 2
So, is it when this guy decided to give up on jumping a quad at the Olympics?
Demanding footwork? Emotional intensity? You gotta be kidding. This is nothing compared to Daisuke's La Strada!
kaorumikeko 1 year ago
you people are all NUTS and its people like you who are ruining this sport - a figure skating routine is not about one jump - All Plushenko does is one quad and then a bunch of back crossovers while he waves his arms around - Evan has got TONS of content in his program that you are just not sufficiently educated to recognize - this is a 4.5 minute routine - if a quad was all it was about it would be a .00001 second routine.
Chutson353 1 year ago
@Chutson353 well put.
spanishldy 1 year ago
@Chutson353 But quads has defines one of the best skaters out there. And him not doing it, especially in the Olympics shows he is not the best in my book. And I'm a skater, I believe quads should be important, especially in mens figure skating. It defines many great skaters who did quads in the Olympics, like Alexei Yagudin, Timothy Goebel, Brian Boitano, Stephane Lambiel, and Evgeny Plushenko
EscoIceSk8 1 year ago 2
@Chutson353 Plushenko didn't double the jump. He only got minus GOE in his triple axel. He landed every jump-neither two-footed nor underrotated. Look at the score sheet!
hshim80 1 year ago 2
He is not olimpic champion! He is so mediocre! Evan fans you are blind? He is not graceful, not elegant! Heis only american! The tv commentators at every jumps was attention, very nervous! He is so far Plushenko's talent!! Evan really slid very nice, but this is not enough for the olimpic gold! He is so pitiful champion, he falled the simply 3 jump! I not remeber such mediocre olimpics gold medalist! i'm really sad! This was the big fraud!
lala630312 1 year ago 2
He totally saves himself XD
mariarules11 1 year ago
plushenko is the best number one!!!!!!!!!!
felinawolf 1 year ago 12
@felinawolf screw that commie EVAN #1
PD19954 1 year ago
He is neither artist nor athlete(((
MrEvan75 1 year ago 48
@MrEvan75 I LOVE EVAN HE IS THE BEST SKATER IN THE WORLD HE PROVED IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sailormoon159159 1 year ago
@MrEvan75 transaltion: im just jeloius cause hes better than me :(
PD19954 1 year ago
Lysacek skated beautifully in Vancouver but how could it happen than he had a better score than Plushenko in the technical elements against the only skater who did a perfect quad-triple combination both in sp than in free skating? This is nonsense and clearly shows the score was fixed. Plushenko is the real olympic champion and far the best in the world.
annamaria227 1 year ago 20
@annamaria227 Because he had a MAJOR error on his 3/lutz - he doubled the jump, two footed the landing and almost fell down.
Chutson353 1 year ago
@annamaria227 ...no, it doesn't clearly show the scoring is fixed but rather accurate... in the Code of Points its more than a just a jump combination, every entrance with preceding steps, every landing, every spin is judged and the quality give you a a higher grade of execution... and Evan worked that aspect of the system. Had Plushenko had better spins and landings on his jumps he would have won! In the new system landing a jump isn't enough it has to be done well; that was the difference
toplay4fun2003 1 year ago
@toplay4fun2003 Instead of repeating propaganda why don't u look at the scores?
It's Lysa's jumps that were not clean. Plush got only one minor deduction. Lisa got two and should have gotten at least a 2 point deduction on his flip. U can preach about the system like it's perfect, forgetting that it's humans who put the marks down, or u can educate yourself on how Plush got robbed after the short program and the bias involved...
Jotrum 1 year ago 2
@annamaria227 the quad is not the only element in the world of figure skating. I don't understand why no-one seems to get this. By your standards then Mao Asada should have beat Kim Yu-Na for gold because she had a triple axel and kim didn't? Almost the same thing here. Evan's aristry was outstanding and what he did technically was perfect, even if it didn't include a quad.
narniaprincess05 1 year ago
@narniaprincess05 I believe Kim deserved to win but in men's program Plushenko should've won. Men's events were different from female's. Mao did clear jump mistakes. Plushenko landed every jump in his free but some of them were shaky- but neither underroated nor two-footed. Judges gave too much higer Program Component score for Evan's program. Both skaters got the same PCS but different TES.
hshim80 1 year ago
@narniaprincess05 Evan didn't win for his artistry but for GOE(Technically). Also three judges placed Plushenko 21&22nd in "skating skills" after the short so that he didn't get points he deserved. His short was clean and perfect. In female competition, Mao fail to land her last jumps. Kim outskated her in many ways. Plushenko's case is somewhat different from female's.
hshim80 1 year ago
@annamaria227 because the technical score also include the GOE or grade of execution. Although plushenko landed all the jumps he did not do so with Lysacek's ease and grace. He had to visibly fight for some of the landings. In addition he didn't do many jumps after the half way point, Lysacek did. Lysacek got better scores on his spins and step sequecnces as well. These little things add up to be worth more than a quad. Lysacek was smart and knew this.
tinymavy 1 year ago
@tinymavy He was a coward ,wasn't manly. The Olympic champion best be given, not be smart. He is a poor champion, soon forget his name. These little things add up to be worth more than quad? THIS IS RIDICULOUS! The quad is the most difficult , and the most masculin elements in the male FS! His program wasn't Olympic champion level.Therefore i say, that the new scoring system support the mediocrity!
lala630312 1 year ago
@lala630312 You are angry at thet scoring system (which I agree needs to give the quad more weight) but you should not be mad at Lysacek. He and his coach figured out a way to win without the quad. He won by following the rules and respecting the sport, not flaunting his four-year old titles or saying vulgar things like another american we all know and love.
tinymavy 1 year ago