Imagine starving children & women just to win a war how sick is that.The British were the inventors of concentration camp and other countries did the same in later years. Germany was by no way special in this. Canada and the US were very into concentration camps. We don't hear much about those either.Aboriginal Indians were put in to reservations. and Starved as well. Small pox was given to Indians via blankets etc. Hitler may have been a nasty man but the allies were worse.
@mentaldance, Mad World by Gary Jules, I remember the song mostly for its moving use in Children of Men & video games's ads (I forgot the name of the game now).
i believe God is with the Boers. God gave that land to them, both Zulu and Boer migrated same time period to the Transvaal. you know the history, no need to repeat it. Dutch landed in 17th century, 400 years they built that nation from nothing thru suffering and hardship and persecution of the British devils. in the end they will get their own tribal homeland to live in peace, then rest of SA under communists anc and become another zimbabwe.
@Rico8458, probably if the Birtish had avoided that bloody war over independence by the Boers, all the problems in South Africa could have been restricted to the traditional Boer-African-Zulu rivalry which was largely decided by that time. The Boers could not have been forced to take sides in WWI, or the reasons for Aparthaid could have been fewer. There are no quarantees that Aparthaid or some less racially divisive could have been created, but at least the Boers were less likely to do it.
the entire population of Boers was 88000 Anyway: Britain's Hitler was knighted for the deaths of kids in concentration camps.. (google Lizzie van Zyl) to see how British abused kids. TERRORISED kids/moms/disabled/elderly burnt animals and left them half dead; burnt chruches.. destroyed south africa
who in South Africa? Until 1948 Brits were in power. Other countries don't glorify their version of Hitler: Kitchener was knighted for terrorisation of kids/elderly/disabled/unarmed mothers: burning all they had; whipping them onto soiled railway trucks; transport to concentratin camps took days no toilet little food/water; starved 35% of kids; had moms & kids in a frenzy for food; planted hooks in food (British version of gaschambers). After war: banned use of language. Stole gold & diamonds
Well the victor always writes history. No doubt if the Germans won then Hitler would be a hero.
This is the same for Bismarck in Germany and Napoleon in France. Even Stalin is revered in Russia as a great hero even though he was even worse than Hitler.
Like I said, Maybe the Boers shouldn't have rebelled. If they didn't rebel this wouldn't have happened. If they used conventional tactics then the British wouldn't have needed to use such harsh methods against the population.
just let the Britis TAKE as always? that queen still wears the starofAfrica diamond in her crown - they were evil in wanting the country in the first place. then, the brits set up the pillars of apartheid - homelandsystem; pass laws and segregation in public places like schools. they left in 1948, leaving the Boer descendants with the mess - and now with the blame for 350 yrs, in stead of the true 45years. maybe some group will do to them what they did to us - nothing more. then we can rejoice
Well it depends what view you take I suppose. You must look a bit outside the picture. The British Empire was massive. South Africa was only taken as an outpost to protect trade to India. They didn't realise there were massive amounts of gold and diamonds at first. The motives originally weren't in what you call "evil".
About Aparteid I think it's quite pathetic you blame the British. If the boers were all innocent then they would have abandoned it when they got independance. They didnt.
Brits took South Africa _> Afrikaners persecuted since 1806. At Fish River boers met southward moving Xhosa; Brits armed xhosa -> boers murdered/raped. Evil to starve kids & whip elderly, disabled people. British paid blacks to rape white women & burn animals (visit AngloBoerWar museum; Bloemfontein); thus breaking HAGUE CONVENTION. SA would have enough money to supply everyone equally if Brits didnt take gold & diamonds and left us with scraps. We did better than rest of sub-saharan Africa.
The Boers got a form of Home Rule under the British Empire. You got the Orange Free State. You weren't that oppressed. Not nearly enough to justify war.
Like I said. If the Boers didn't rebel then all that mess wouldn't have happened. If the Boers fought in a conventional way and didn't constantly run away then the British wouldn't have been forced to act so harsh. Action=reaction. Boer unconventional action=British unconventional reaction.
boers were persecuted by British since 1806. Not oppressed? 35%^of kids starved to death? toddlers shot dead? old people being whipped on to walk run long distances to railway trucks? people sick with malaria chased out of their beds? disabled people threatened with knopkieries for not running fast enough? ANIMALS: animals were burnt to death; some took like 8 days to die; livestock with tongues sliced out, so they could not eat or drink, starving to death. legs broken -> cannot reach water.
The whole of what is now EU benefitted economically from the replenishment station in the cape. you seem to have little knowledge beyond propaganda about africa - you will be too scared to give up you eu passport and make it in africa, because you are an arm-chair expert on africa. if it is no big deal, why not invite like terrorist to practise on your nation?
Why have you changed the subject completely? You have clearly run out of ideas. There is no such thing as an EU passport. You get Irish passports, British passports, French passports etc.
I have been to Africa. Have you even left? You clearly know nothing about history outside the Boers otherwise you would know you sound like a whining child. Far worse things have happened to other people than the boers. The black africans are one clear example!! The real natives of South Africa!
What makes the boers special? Why should they have the right to south africa over the British? Surely a native black african could argue that the Boers oppressed them.
If you can't handle the fact that all humans are imperfect then you will have a tough life. Every nation has blood on its hands
Unnder Boers, the Blacks multiplied 10fold, and had better chances in life than in the rest of Sub-Saharan africa combined. Apartheid surgeons performed open heart surgery for many black countries up north that refused to leave their muti-murder to drive evil away tradition. Even during Apartheid, people from Africa and iNDIA tried to go to South africa, because like under Apartheid meant more prosperity for them. blacks in countries without apartheid were worse off - see development indexes.
1. today, many Blacks say apartheid was better (see BBC). RSA is becoming like the rest of Sub-Sahara, particularly Zimbabwe. 2. the British acknowledged the Boer Republics in writing, then went back on their own word, when diamonds & gold was discovered. 3. the British set up a model for concentration camps that Hitler just expanded. Effectively the Brits set the pattern for concentration camps for the 20th century: after knighting their Hitlers, it became popular.
I'm sure there are some blacks which say aparteid was better but the huge majority believe it wasn't. If they thought it was better then they would have voted to keep it in place. Actually the Spannish used concentration camps 2 years before the British in Cuba. There is a massive difference between the British concentration camps and Hitler's extermination camps with gas chambers. People died in the British camps. Millions were exterminated in the gas chambers.
1. you are sure ... how sure? in Zimbabwe Mugabe also still gets the vote ... despite the hardship and the country sliding backward. 2. the British didn't have gas chambers; they planted tiny hooks in bullybeef. 3. %wise, more Boer kids died than Jews - the total population of the little republic was < 100,000. 4. the British knighted their own Hitlers (Kitchener...) for his model of attacking small children / moms/ disabled/sick/elderly.
Your great boer "oppression" was nothing compared to the Irish. 800 years for us. less than 200 for you.
This is the case and yet I don't go around saying I want all British people to suffer. I don't go around giving our statistics and complain about things which happened over a hundred years ago!
Shit happens! Stop blaming others and just live you life!
Opinion? view?. HAGUE CONVENTION states (i)locals not be pitched against each other - blacks were recruited to rape women and girls; break furniture & torture animals with owners looking on; (ii) not harm kids - brits shot at least 3 toddlers; sent 9year olds a POW's; (iii) not destroy food - googly Lizzie van Zyl for an opinion on how a child suffers without food - 35% look like that; many women too. Opinion on orphans? opinion on losing all you had? opinion on banned from using your language?
Yeah I think you said all these things several times now. I'm not saying it was good. I'm saying you have to look at another view point. When the British public found out about it they were horrified.
The reason you Boers are never treated seriously is because you are so incredibly biased. You go on and on and on blaming the British for everything. Including aparteid!! You never accept other opinions and you never accept any blame. It's plain arrogance.
the boer soldiers were only 20,000 - some as young as 9 yrs old - there are pics of POW'S on Bermuda of that age. my grandparents were there as kids, so i have fairly firsthand knowledge. did you see Lizzie van Zyl? the face of one of the 35% of kids that were starved to death. Britian should not have attacked - regardless of numbers.
There's a difference between a wish & a well determined plan that is financed and carried out sending many soldiers to fight against a small population; and have them turn on kids/elderly/disabled & moms; to plant hooks in food; and then to honor those that did it. Big difference.
I have first hand experience of the British being harsh to the Irish. I am myself half Irish. I don't go around preaching hate to the British though. The British were far worse to the Irish than the Boers! Shit happens! Get used to it! All countries have done bad things. The Boers have done bad things as well as the British.
To say that the British should suffer the same pain because of something that happened so long ago makes YOU just as bad. You aren't pius so don't act it.
they didn't starve 35% of your kids?they did'nt destroy your whole country like they destroyed the two republics. they didn't recruit blacks to rape your women and daughters; they didn't arm people from elsewhere (in our case, up north from the later Rhodesia) to burn your farms, animals. the blacks were still voluntarily in the stone age & do muti murders (harvesting penisses/eye/hearts/livers) live for magic potions; and lived like in the rest of Africa: dirty. brits gave blacks carte blanche.
Well haven't you ever heard of The Great Famine?? Where millions of people were left to die? Millions. Not thousands. Where soldiers were notorious for raping and murdering. They did arm people from up north. They armed the Protestant Ulster loyalists to suppress the Catholic majority. The Irish didn't even have animals. All livestock was taken and owned by British land lords. The Irish population lived soley on potatoes.
we could not have millions die, because the entire population of the two republics was less than 100,000. did they kill 35% of your kids? the famine was caused by other factors too; starving children here was caused by the british activily destroying crops and animals.
Of course. The population of Ireland was around 9 million before the famine. Today it is only around 4 million.
Of course there were other factors around the famine but the British purposly let it happen because they believed economic prosperity would follow. They were very wrong in thinking that! Look up Charles Trevelyan. He was in charge of relief for Ireland. He said that the Irish deserved to starve because they were "lazy". It isn't true. The Irish worked on farms all their life.
That's ridiculous. The Zimbabwe elections are rigged. The SA ones are not. The overwhelming majority of the south africans are glad aparteid is wrong. The massive majority of the world is glad aparteid is gone. South africa was the last white governed country to expand the franchise and end a racist oligarchy.
6 million jews were murdered! Were arent even that many boers. How can you possibly say more boer children were murdered!? That's an appauling statement to make. Take it back now!
1. zimbabeans vote out of fear ; RSa also sufferes 2. biggest racists: fleeing Africa through Sahara / waterlogged boats to Europe and please just serve under a white government tells it all. %wise - [percentage wise%] more boer children were murdered than Jewish kids. besides, Jewish run firms got rich from diamonds & gold. apartheid? in Africa the lower ones mine at gunpoint for the richm like slaves. see India's caste system; korea's preference for blonde teachers - apartheid elsewhere too
Obama is black. Is America thus a corrupt government with rigged elections?
I find it incredible that you are defending aparteid still. Don't you see that not allowing the African natives the vote was atrocious? Esspecially in modern times! For a "White" country to refuse democracy is just embarrassing. To defend it in the 21st century is just ridiculous.
You have gone from insulting British people to black people and now Jewish people! What ever next!
all elections in africa are rigged / determined by intimidation. real racists: blacks risking their lives to flee sub-sahara, to please serve under a white government - they do not want their own people to rule them. %wise, more boer kids were murdered than jews; PERCENTAGE WISE. (of course not in numbers) After AngloBoerWar, JEWISH run companies got main shares in gold & diamonds and kept Boers poor - unlike the help the USA offered Saudi, to build Saudi's up.
You are using vague pedantic statistics to prove your point. The fact that there were so few boer people meant that death ratios would always be higher than much larger atrocities in history.
Corruption in Africa is terrible yes but not everywhere. You generalise too much. I sense a very anti-African tone in your voice. If this is the case then why live there? African immigrants come to "White governed countries" for the same reason white eastern Europeans do. Welfare benefits and work.
you clearly forget the fact that these "JEWISH" people (Israelis) also funded the Boers with weapons to resist the growing support for democracy in SA during aparteid.
South Africa fought against communism; right after the fall of communism, the country was given to ANC. All Western countries fought communism. Insult to point out British knighted their own Hitler / sub-sahara= the only place the UN cannot meet their goals because it is so backward/ the gold & diamonds benefitted Jewish run companies? Black africa still has to build as many roads, schools, hospitals, post offices, broadcasting stations, etc. as did Apartheid -where they went for heart surgery.
Do you just copy paste what you write over and over again? Because you have repeated the stuff you have written several times now.
You also aren't answering the questions. You just change the subject and repeat things all over again "Knighted your Hitler". Kitchener didn't gas millions of jews and caused a world war. He was nothing like Hitler. You have some cheek calling him that when you are defending aparteid. I bet you support the AWB who fly their own 777 swastica around the place.
There is no way you can argue that the natives liked aparteid. If the whites thought that then they would have given them the vote. That is democracy not communism. DEMOCRACY.
Only the Boers support aparteid because they had the whip hand over the majority natives. It was an oppressive oligarchy. Who cares about open heart surgery when it was done in an oppressive state which denied people the vite because of the colour of their skin. It is racist!
the 30 poorest countries are in sub-saharan Africa (except for Afghanistan). guess who runs them? they got to learn reading & writing, calendars, how to save a baby's life (and not snip off its penis for muti in muti murders), how to marry without paying lobola and then enslave the woman for the money paid for her - the sub-saharan countries without apartheid were distinctly worse than SA & Rhodesia. Sub-Sahara is the only place not even the UN can reach its goals. guess who is in charge there.
Africa has always been poor. I would agree with you but what you are saying is hypocricy. You say the British controlling the Boers is evil and cruel and yet you say it is justified for any other african country to be ruled by another nation.
Surely the best thing to do is to aid African countries and teach them right from wrong in a democratic way? To oppress them is only going to make them hate western democracy and values even more.
Dear catholicism777 - the brits defeating the zulu's to help the boers? If i ever thought you knew anything about south africa you have no finally convinced me that you do not.
And you have proven to me that you are a racist and and anti semite. You also wish to see the torture of British civileans.
You have proven to everyone that Boers have no right to control a country because it would only be a government of racism and oppression.
Thanks for your time. I hope you will learn about history outside of South Africa so you can truly understand the insignificance of your own passion for hate and pessimistic nostalgia.
1. the true racists are the blacks from sub-saharan africa risking their lives crossing the oscean / sahara desert to get into a country run by whites. 2. we have no right to control the land we built up? are all catholics like that? 3. i have travelled extensively and lived right from the far east across the globe - for years now!! ha- another of your assumptions gone. google Lizzie van Zyl to learn something.
Assumptions? That's rich coming from you. Your generalizations of black people are appauling. How is it racist for black people to travel to developed countries for a better standard of living?
The American president is black. Is he stupid and corrupt because he is black? I've asked this question before but you didn't answer. Lets try again.
Are all Catholics like what? Another generalization.
the 30 poorest countries in the world are run and mainly occupied by black people. even the blacks flee them - to where? preferably countries with white governments. the American president is half-black: his father had the savvy to go to a white country and marry a white girl. his boy now has a life. why do blacks not like a white president? because they are racist.
Why do you not like black people, Jewish people, British people? Because you are a racist.
At the end of the day everyone has said racist things. There is a difference however. If you use that racism to fuel hate then that is a cause for concern. That is why so many people were against eh oppressive aparteid regime. That is why slavery was abolished. That is why we follow the belief that every man is equally important.
You have a racist opinion against the Boers. This tiny group of people were the descendants Europe - including catholic governments - dumped in Africa for the benefits of the sea route. this tiny group helped the blacks more than you catholics could do - the countries in Africa with mainly catholic churches enjoy less human rights than did protestant South Africa. You hate Afrikaners, Boers. The black leader will earn respect by building up their countries as well as the Afrikaner did.
I don't hate any group of people. I hate people are blind with ignorance, racist without real reason and those who use past events to justify torture and murder.
"Catholics, Catholics, Catholics".
First it was the British. Then it was the blacks. Then it was the Jews. Now it is the Catholics. Does you hate for humanity ever end riebeekkasteel? Hate never gets you anywhere. That's why nobody cares about the Boers anymore. I wanted to learn about the Boer war.
what an assumption. you made me negative towards catholics, nothing else did. you seem to hate the boers. the Sub-Saharan countries without them look distinctly worse, and the Congo is now inviting us back to help them!!! the statistics for Africa are probably too difficult for you to understand. but, i have to go now, we are translating a book about why protestants fled France.
well, these are the facts. the british took over the cape, and made our lives hell. the blacks massacred a lot of us, and took to rape, etc. the jews benefitted from 35% of the kids starving in concentration camps. now the Iraqi's also suffer under the british, as did the Indians and the Blacks. many people from biblical times suffered under the Jews; now the Palestinians do. if you look at Africa, you will see how africans make each other suffer - probably beyond you.
That is the problem with Boers. Their ignorance and racism runs deep in their culture and gene pools. Pessimistic nostalgia and blind generalizations.
That is why in less than 100 years you will be an extinct people. Your numbers are dwindling away and deep down you know it.
The native majority, rightfully or wrongly are taking revenge for the 20th century oppression they suffered from the likes of you and now you all flee, ironically to the country you keep moaning about.
Yes, we might become extinct. And your catholic god, if he exists, is supposed to see it. but he does not care, as you remind me of how good it is that Britain squashed us to almost nothing, that we are now almost gone. fine god you have, you catholic
Technically when the British took over South Africa they built it up. Does that give them right over the Boers?
The Boers had no right to oppress not only the native population but the Majority population! If they did have that right then the British had every right to do the same thing to the Boers.
If you have travelled around then you wouldn't have such a narrow minded opinion of the world. Clearly you have learnt little in your travels.
no-one gave the british the rights to starve children; torture animals: slicing pieces of meat from live animals; cut out the tongues of some so they could not feet, & burnt some, so they took days to die in agony. what about the mafecane ... your hammering on the Majority denies the fact that the blacks are not one group, and had many wars amongst them. that catholic bible seems to teach you funny ideas... catholics tortured the french hugenots fled to south africa - ex-catholics became boers..
First of all don't bother tryin to change the subject again. This isn't a religious arguement. You do not know my religious beliefs so don't bother assuming. Catholic bible? The bible is the same as any other Christian sect.
If the British didn't have the right then the Boers didn't have the right to oppress, extort, beat and kill innocent black natives who were the Original population of the country which the Boers collinized for themselves. If the Brits had no right. The Boers had no right.
You talk with opinion, not facts. Under Afrikaner rule (only 40 years, but we get blamed for 350!) the Blacks multiplied ten fold; under British rule, we were almost wiped out. there is a difference, that your catholic identity seems not to understand. basic multiplication. you catholics tortured the protestants, so many of them fled to south africa to become Afrikaners. those are facts that you cannot deny.
Again you assume and generalize. My Catholic heretige is from Ireland. I have never hurt a Protestant soul. We were tortured and murdered by Protestant rulers who considered us the anti Christ. Don't you dare use my baptised religion as an excuse for hate. My own mother is a Protestant. The fact that you keep reverting the subject shows that you have run out of ideas.
I am not a "sir"- just shows you how wrong you really are... now you finally shows that you work on assumptions, and not on facts. I am female... ha ha your catholic mindset...
you said, "sir". that shows the assumption that I was male. assumes that I am still protestant... what a god you must have, that you even have your religion in your name, and this is the kind of lovely language you use towards someone else! You cannot deny the statistics, so you resort to name-calling. this is the sign of an uneducated mind - or maybe this is what your god is telling you to say, considering that you identify so much with your religion. the hugenots make such good history ...
Again the charming racist returns with its assumptions and generalizations. The change to a religious arguement showing she isn't happy about talking of her families history in oppressing the people of native Africa. You cannot deny it. You just try and justify it with more racism and more hate. Adding more groups of people to your hate list.
Like I said you do not know of my religious beliefs. I may have been baptised a Catholic but that doesn't mean I follow the Churches beliefs 100%. Fool.
You assumed that I was male; called me a "dirty protestant bitch" - assuming I am a protestant. You also told me I am a fool while broadcasting your catholic identify. LOL You justify the British starving kids and ignore stats on African development. The Congo is asking Afrikaner farmers back! Not you catholics! But i hope we vanish - as you so wish - so Africa can sink to new depths. or maybe the chinese could extend their slavery in Africa - like giving Mugabe weapons against his own.
You wrote in an agressive male way. You went on and on about Protestants and evil Catholics. I have not said that it was good to kill anyone. I have said that you should just get over yourself. Far worse things have happened. Worse things like what you have done to the natives you oppressed only a few years ago. Also if the Boers never rebelled then it wouldnt have happened. if the Boers didn't fight like cowards then it wouldnt have happened. You are too narrow minded to realise this.
A "male' writing style. Well, amongst other things, I am a pilot. Have raised kids. Happily married.will remember you assessment &name calling, coming from a catholic. You also assume that we drew all the borders in South Africa. You say we should have handed over the republics to the british - now, go ahead and hand over the whole of Ireland to the Queen. why did your people fight? You also assume it is Ok to call someone a protestant bitch - will show that to the next parish collecting funds.
Again here we go with the religion. You do not know my religious beliefs so DON'T BOTHER. My mother is a Protestant. I don't go to church. You are a severe hypocrite.
Hand the whole of Ireland to the Queen? What is going through you mentally disabled brain? Why did my people fight? Well it was for far better reasons than how your people fought. We also have been renound for bravery. Boers just ran away after firing a couple of shots and let their families die at the hands of the British.
There are jokes about the Irish. I'm happy however to know that my people aren't actual jokes like yours.
"Hey Brew we are African white Boers. We hate everything. We hate kaffars. Our history is short and insignificant but we will wail about our lamentations like we are the fricken jews in the holocaust. AWB! AWB!"
add this one: the Congo is wanting us boers to work their land. "Ficken" Jews? My word. Funny spelling, "kaffars". Have never seen that before. Maybe a little language learning would do you some good. Your educational level is probably typically Irish - hence the jokes.
More racism :) Thank you for continuing to prove my point. This is fantastic. Really opens the true character of the Boers.
I don't care what the Congo wants. You are still a racist and you are still a dieing culture. The only wide support your apartheid has are neo nazis! I'm sure you are happy about that though because we have all seen your edited Boer swastica flags. 777. Tut tut tut.
Nelson Mandela. What's your opinion of this man? hahaha!!!
oh yes, you are liked by the world - especially the british... what i look like ... you probably do not know any female pilots. another assumption about the Boers... and i still remember your calling me a "protestant bitsh"- will save it.
Especially the Americans actually. The British would be the people who least like the Irish. They like them now because they built most of Britain.
You are a bitch. By the way you have displayed yourself as an absolute racist bigot with hate and the taste of blood on your conscience pretty much gives me every right to call you one.
Like I said. You are one to talk about assumptions. You have been assuming your whole life!
see you removed some of your comments - no need to despair their loss, I have them classified for a project on Irish mentality. With technology today, comments do not vanish.
Oh don't worry about that. I normally delete my comments after use. But as you are so pedantic and use anything you can to revert the subject I have put them back up.
You have clearly run out of ideas.
Oh I know technology allows such things. The British, Irish and Americans (all the same people in reality) made them all.
Boers haven't contributed anything of significant value to the world.
lot of name-calling... go get you pilot's licence ... o, of course, you are good at name calling with no substance, and probably one of the ordinary little jobs...
And every word is from the heart. No point trying to take the high ground. You have established that your opinions match those of the Nazis. I'm just waiting for you to justify ethnic cleansing.
I don't want to be a pilot. Must be one of the most boring jobs in existance. You don't even do anything. It's all done by computer.
Well you are assuming things again. I'll leave you to your vague opinions which have desolated our world with hate and ignorance.
Many Irish people immigrated to South Africa in the 20th century - to enjoy the luxury of cheap black labour. they enjoyed the fruits of Apartheid too...
oh yeah - chicken out? erase your arguments? I kept all of your comments - maybe just to show the irish person down the road... in front of others, of course.
I put them back up for all to see because you ran out of ideas and decided to stoop even further down hill. Like I said before. I normally delete my comments after I feel they are of no more use. You went all pedantic over it so I put them up again.
Happy? Of course not. You are never happy unless someone else is in pain. Like all Boers? I wouldn't know. Their stereotype seems to reflect a perfect accuracy of their real character.
Maybe one day I'll meet one who isn't a total moron.
maybe i will meet someone on youtube that does not assume i am male just because my style of writing shows that the left side of my brain is also developed... someone who does not use the swear words coming from you... you are such a knowledgeable person of character...
Intolerant bigots who are bent on racism to suit their own selfish cause to keep an undeserved autonomy in a country which isn't even their's and isn't even a majority group should never be granted such politeness.
It's ideas which go through brains like yours which have caused the greatest genocides and oppressions in human history.
After hearing your insufferable arrogance, I believe I'm justified in saying what I have. No matter how much you twist it.
you should do some research on how the whole of europe and the uk benefitted from sending whites to south africa for the sea route - if this is not beyond you.
Slavery benefitted European countries. It doesn't mean it was good.
WW2 benefitted America. Doesn't mean it was good.
Your countries' role in the world was disgusting. It made people sick. The whole democratic world and most of South Africa hated apartheid! Don't you understand that?
see you changed your name - the same writing style. Apartheid was no worse than discrimination against Blacks and Hispanics in america; the caste system in India &the fact that Sub-saharan countries don't have a place in the G8. If human rights in the rest of Sub-Sahara is worse, but the word APH gave activists a grip on the concept. during the years of Aph. Africans from up north tried to get into South Africa. See what Zimbabwe looks like - South Africa is going the same route.
Same person, old account. My mistake for changing.
Anyways. Saying bad things happened in other countries does not justify apartheid. People immigrated into East Germany during communism. It doesn't mean communism is good!
Things haven't changed. Now that the MAJORITY people in South Africa actually have a democratic voice in South Africa, people are still immigrating into the country!
Zimbabwe went bad when the British Empire collapsed. Does that mean the British Empire was good??
The sooner I stop getting such bigotted comments from Boers the better. I have yet to meet one who is able to adapt to reality. There must be some out there surely? Or have you killed them off? I wouldn't be surprised by the way you hate humanity.
Africa is screwed. Making a social apartheid wasn't exactly helping. No matter what vague statistics you give, an oppressive undemocratic regime was only going to help in more racism and hate. Now they are free to choose their own future. And you still moan?
Again with the catholics! You just don't take the hint do you? I'm just stating a clear fact. You Boer people are dieing out. Wont be around for much longer. Neither will religion. Globalization is on the move. Boers are mere dust. Fact.
1. how do you know the statistics are vague? 2. yes, they are indeed free to choose their own future - like toing muti murder (harvesting babies'penisses live, & hearts, eyes, livers, kidneys, hands) to mix in potions. 3. You repeat that we are dying out, and call us dust - remember the dirty protestant bitch. the local priest will have a hard time explaining catholicism to anyone reading your comments. You attack me, and not the comments - maybe your schooling was not much.
Maybe you don't understand what it is to be polite so you forced me to make a gesture better suited to your undertstanding.
Any woman that defends arparteid, that wishes the torture and deaths of any nation as a whole, who is racist behond belief and hates almost every religious group that doesn't match her own VAGUE and twisted understanding of history is a BITCH. That word is so very modest in describing someone so full of hate as yourself.
all sub-sahara countries run by African rule more backward than rest of the world. google wikipedia "human development". corrupt and lack democracy even if they throw in elections. its because they were stone age people that only knew about killing the next tribe - Dingaan had a proper notiating team under Retief murdered. they were stone age , yet aspire to the goals of whites. they were recruited to rape white girls & women and thought they would get their land back if they helped the Brits
This is very bias
hoboninja3 1 week ago
The British were the good guys!!! The boers were rebels
hoboninja3 1 week ago
@hoboninja3 Fuck you! Je ken de groeten uit Braban krijgen, kut! de Boeren!
Weissmenchland 2 days ago
@Weissmenchland calm down
hoboninja3 1 day ago
them of that the boers makes the apartheid.beautiful continet always destroyed
cobuncu 3 weeks ago
to the dead......
go to god......may he bless your soul.......
a bi-racial american....( black..european..native )
may we live in peace......together......like brothers....
etornel79 4 months ago
Imagine starving children & women just to win a war how sick is that.The British were the inventors of concentration camp and other countries did the same in later years. Germany was by no way special in this. Canada and the US were very into concentration camps. We don't hear much about those either.Aboriginal Indians were put in to reservations. and Starved as well. Small pox was given to Indians via blankets etc. Hitler may have been a nasty man but the allies were worse.
Shadowbear1955 5 months ago
@Shadowbear1955 British didn't invented the concentration camps. Do research before accusing people boy.
conservative717 4 months ago
@conservative717 You Brits are champions in always pointing to someone else...
Porkion 2 months ago
heartbreaking to learn this :(
buzzbox2nd 8 months ago
Excellent feedback. Great reply. I agree with you 100%
Rico8458 10 months ago
waht are song?
mentaldance 1 year ago
@mentaldance, Mad World by Gary Jules, I remember the song mostly for its moving use in Children of Men & video games's ads (I forgot the name of the game now).
Wolfen443 10 months ago
@Wolfen443 The game your thinking about is probably Gears of War
nukeboy1994 1 month ago
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i believe God is with the Boers. God gave that land to them, both Zulu and Boer migrated same time period to the Transvaal. you know the history, no need to repeat it. Dutch landed in 17th century, 400 years they built that nation from nothing thru suffering and hardship and persecution of the British devils. in the end they will get their own tribal homeland to live in peace, then rest of SA under communists anc and become another zimbabwe.
Rico8458 1 year ago
if the british would have given the afrikaaner boers their own homeland, then aparthied would have never took place.
Rico8458 1 year ago
@Rico8458, probably if the Birtish had avoided that bloody war over independence by the Boers, all the problems in South Africa could have been restricted to the traditional Boer-African-Zulu rivalry which was largely decided by that time. The Boers could not have been forced to take sides in WWI, or the reasons for Aparthaid could have been fewer. There are no quarantees that Aparthaid or some less racially divisive could have been created, but at least the Boers were less likely to do it.
Wolfen443 10 months ago
FUCK GERMANY
SoggyPatato 1 year ago
how do you download this
aymie94 1 year ago
@aymie94
jooste999 1 year ago
lol the german making this vid
lfc011 1 year ago 2
On behalf of the British...my bad...
Slypaperclips 1 year ago
@Slypaperclips no need to apologise!
BritishLeylandGMAC 1 year ago
so much finger pointing and shouting... so much need for justification, for proving self-worth. so petty and ultimately boring.
Jceeflash 1 year ago
ik sta ervan te kijken dat er hier alleen maar brits gepraat word en geen NEDERLANDS
hendrikmanbeer 1 year ago
ur statistics are fairly inaccurate. i was led to believe it was 80,000 boers and 300,000 british
Catholicism777 3 years ago
the entire population of Boers was 88000 Anyway: Britain's Hitler was knighted for the deaths of kids in concentration camps.. (google Lizzie van Zyl) to see how British abused kids. TERRORISED kids/moms/disabled/elderly burnt animals and left them half dead; burnt chruches.. destroyed south africa
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
All countries have done bad things. Including South Africa.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
who in South Africa? Until 1948 Brits were in power. Other countries don't glorify their version of Hitler: Kitchener was knighted for terrorisation of kids/elderly/disabled/unarmed mothers: burning all they had; whipping them onto soiled railway trucks; transport to concentratin camps took days no toilet little food/water; starved 35% of kids; had moms & kids in a frenzy for food; planted hooks in food (British version of gaschambers). After war: banned use of language. Stole gold & diamonds
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Well the victor always writes history. No doubt if the Germans won then Hitler would be a hero.
This is the same for Bismarck in Germany and Napoleon in France. Even Stalin is revered in Russia as a great hero even though he was even worse than Hitler.
Like I said, Maybe the Boers shouldn't have rebelled. If they didn't rebel this wouldn't have happened. If they used conventional tactics then the British wouldn't have needed to use such harsh methods against the population.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
just let the Britis TAKE as always? that queen still wears the starofAfrica diamond in her crown - they were evil in wanting the country in the first place. then, the brits set up the pillars of apartheid - homelandsystem; pass laws and segregation in public places like schools. they left in 1948, leaving the Boer descendants with the mess - and now with the blame for 350 yrs, in stead of the true 45years. maybe some group will do to them what they did to us - nothing more. then we can rejoice
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Well it depends what view you take I suppose. You must look a bit outside the picture. The British Empire was massive. South Africa was only taken as an outpost to protect trade to India. They didn't realise there were massive amounts of gold and diamonds at first. The motives originally weren't in what you call "evil".
About Aparteid I think it's quite pathetic you blame the British. If the boers were all innocent then they would have abandoned it when they got independance. They didnt.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Brits took South Africa _> Afrikaners persecuted since 1806. At Fish River boers met southward moving Xhosa; Brits armed xhosa -> boers murdered/raped. Evil to starve kids & whip elderly, disabled people. British paid blacks to rape white women & burn animals (visit AngloBoerWar museum; Bloemfontein); thus breaking HAGUE CONVENTION. SA would have enough money to supply everyone equally if Brits didnt take gold & diamonds and left us with scraps. We did better than rest of sub-saharan Africa.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
The Boers got a form of Home Rule under the British Empire. You got the Orange Free State. You weren't that oppressed. Not nearly enough to justify war.
Like I said. If the Boers didn't rebel then all that mess wouldn't have happened. If the Boers fought in a conventional way and didn't constantly run away then the British wouldn't have been forced to act so harsh. Action=reaction. Boer unconventional action=British unconventional reaction.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
boers were persecuted by British since 1806. Not oppressed? 35%^of kids starved to death? toddlers shot dead? old people being whipped on to walk run long distances to railway trucks? people sick with malaria chased out of their beds? disabled people threatened with knopkieries for not running fast enough? ANIMALS: animals were burnt to death; some took like 8 days to die; livestock with tongues sliced out, so they could not eat or drink, starving to death. legs broken -> cannot reach water.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Yeah you pretty much proved my point. I'm pretty bored of this debate now. We aren't getting anywhere.
Have any of the points I've made sunk in? You don't have to agree with them. Just acknowledge them. All you have done is given lists of things.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
The whole of what is now EU benefitted economically from the replenishment station in the cape. you seem to have little knowledge beyond propaganda about africa - you will be too scared to give up you eu passport and make it in africa, because you are an arm-chair expert on africa. if it is no big deal, why not invite like terrorist to practise on your nation?
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Why have you changed the subject completely? You have clearly run out of ideas. There is no such thing as an EU passport. You get Irish passports, British passports, French passports etc.
I have been to Africa. Have you even left? You clearly know nothing about history outside the Boers otherwise you would know you sound like a whining child. Far worse things have happened to other people than the boers. The black africans are one clear example!! The real natives of South Africa!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
What makes the boers special? Why should they have the right to south africa over the British? Surely a native black african could argue that the Boers oppressed them.
If you can't handle the fact that all humans are imperfect then you will have a tough life. Every nation has blood on its hands
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Unnder Boers, the Blacks multiplied 10fold, and had better chances in life than in the rest of Sub-Saharan africa combined. Apartheid surgeons performed open heart surgery for many black countries up north that refused to leave their muti-murder to drive evil away tradition. Even during Apartheid, people from Africa and iNDIA tried to go to South africa, because like under Apartheid meant more prosperity for them. blacks in countries without apartheid were worse off - see development indexes.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Are you defending aparteid? If it was so good then why did it collapse when the natives could finally vote?
Catholicism777 2 years ago
1. today, many Blacks say apartheid was better (see BBC). RSA is becoming like the rest of Sub-Sahara, particularly Zimbabwe. 2. the British acknowledged the Boer Republics in writing, then went back on their own word, when diamonds & gold was discovered. 3. the British set up a model for concentration camps that Hitler just expanded. Effectively the Brits set the pattern for concentration camps for the 20th century: after knighting their Hitlers, it became popular.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
I'm sure there are some blacks which say aparteid was better but the huge majority believe it wasn't. If they thought it was better then they would have voted to keep it in place. Actually the Spannish used concentration camps 2 years before the British in Cuba. There is a massive difference between the British concentration camps and Hitler's extermination camps with gas chambers. People died in the British camps. Millions were exterminated in the gas chambers.
The Boers have got it easy.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
1. you are sure ... how sure? in Zimbabwe Mugabe also still gets the vote ... despite the hardship and the country sliding backward. 2. the British didn't have gas chambers; they planted tiny hooks in bullybeef. 3. %wise, more Boer kids died than Jews - the total population of the little republic was < 100,000. 4. the British knighted their own Hitlers (Kitchener...) for his model of attacking small children / moms/ disabled/sick/elderly.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Your great boer "oppression" was nothing compared to the Irish. 800 years for us. less than 200 for you.
This is the case and yet I don't go around saying I want all British people to suffer. I don't go around giving our statistics and complain about things which happened over a hundred years ago!
Shit happens! Stop blaming others and just live you life!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Opinion? view?. HAGUE CONVENTION states (i)locals not be pitched against each other - blacks were recruited to rape women and girls; break furniture & torture animals with owners looking on; (ii) not harm kids - brits shot at least 3 toddlers; sent 9year olds a POW's; (iii) not destroy food - googly Lizzie van Zyl for an opinion on how a child suffers without food - 35% look like that; many women too. Opinion on orphans? opinion on losing all you had? opinion on banned from using your language?
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Yeah I think you said all these things several times now. I'm not saying it was good. I'm saying you have to look at another view point. When the British public found out about it they were horrified.
The reason you Boers are never treated seriously is because you are so incredibly biased. You go on and on and on blaming the British for everything. Including aparteid!! You never accept other opinions and you never accept any blame. It's plain arrogance.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
the boer soldiers were only 20,000 - some as young as 9 yrs old - there are pics of POW'S on Bermuda of that age. my grandparents were there as kids, so i have fairly firsthand knowledge. did you see Lizzie van Zyl? the face of one of the 35% of kids that were starved to death. Britian should not have attacked - regardless of numbers.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Perhaps the Boers shouldn't have rebelled. Regardless of reasons.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Also by wanting the same pain on British people for what happened so long ago just goes to show that you are no better than the "evil" English.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
There's a difference between a wish & a well determined plan that is financed and carried out sending many soldiers to fight against a small population; and have them turn on kids/elderly/disabled & moms; to plant hooks in food; and then to honor those that did it. Big difference.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
I have first hand experience of the British being harsh to the Irish. I am myself half Irish. I don't go around preaching hate to the British though. The British were far worse to the Irish than the Boers! Shit happens! Get used to it! All countries have done bad things. The Boers have done bad things as well as the British.
To say that the British should suffer the same pain because of something that happened so long ago makes YOU just as bad. You aren't pius so don't act it.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
they didn't starve 35% of your kids?they did'nt destroy your whole country like they destroyed the two republics. they didn't recruit blacks to rape your women and daughters; they didn't arm people from elsewhere (in our case, up north from the later Rhodesia) to burn your farms, animals. the blacks were still voluntarily in the stone age & do muti murders (harvesting penisses/eye/hearts/livers) live for magic potions; and lived like in the rest of Africa: dirty. brits gave blacks carte blanche.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Well haven't you ever heard of The Great Famine?? Where millions of people were left to die? Millions. Not thousands. Where soldiers were notorious for raping and murdering. They did arm people from up north. They armed the Protestant Ulster loyalists to suppress the Catholic majority. The Irish didn't even have animals. All livestock was taken and owned by British land lords. The Irish population lived soley on potatoes.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
we could not have millions die, because the entire population of the two republics was less than 100,000. did they kill 35% of your kids? the famine was caused by other factors too; starving children here was caused by the british activily destroying crops and animals.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Of course. The population of Ireland was around 9 million before the famine. Today it is only around 4 million.
Of course there were other factors around the famine but the British purposly let it happen because they believed economic prosperity would follow. They were very wrong in thinking that! Look up Charles Trevelyan. He was in charge of relief for Ireland. He said that the Irish deserved to starve because they were "lazy". It isn't true. The Irish worked on farms all their life.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
That's ridiculous. The Zimbabwe elections are rigged. The SA ones are not. The overwhelming majority of the south africans are glad aparteid is wrong. The massive majority of the world is glad aparteid is gone. South africa was the last white governed country to expand the franchise and end a racist oligarchy.
6 million jews were murdered! Were arent even that many boers. How can you possibly say more boer children were murdered!? That's an appauling statement to make. Take it back now!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
1. zimbabeans vote out of fear ; RSa also sufferes 2. biggest racists: fleeing Africa through Sahara / waterlogged boats to Europe and please just serve under a white government tells it all. %wise - [percentage wise%] more boer children were murdered than Jewish kids. besides, Jewish run firms got rich from diamonds & gold. apartheid? in Africa the lower ones mine at gunpoint for the richm like slaves. see India's caste system; korea's preference for blonde teachers - apartheid elsewhere too
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Obama is black. Is America thus a corrupt government with rigged elections?
I find it incredible that you are defending aparteid still. Don't you see that not allowing the African natives the vote was atrocious? Esspecially in modern times! For a "White" country to refuse democracy is just embarrassing. To defend it in the 21st century is just ridiculous.
You have gone from insulting British people to black people and now Jewish people! What ever next!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
all elections in africa are rigged / determined by intimidation. real racists: blacks risking their lives to flee sub-sahara, to please serve under a white government - they do not want their own people to rule them. %wise, more boer kids were murdered than jews; PERCENTAGE WISE. (of course not in numbers) After AngloBoerWar, JEWISH run companies got main shares in gold & diamonds and kept Boers poor - unlike the help the USA offered Saudi, to build Saudi's up.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
You are using vague pedantic statistics to prove your point. The fact that there were so few boer people meant that death ratios would always be higher than much larger atrocities in history.
Corruption in Africa is terrible yes but not everywhere. You generalise too much. I sense a very anti-African tone in your voice. If this is the case then why live there? African immigrants come to "White governed countries" for the same reason white eastern Europeans do. Welfare benefits and work.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
you clearly forget the fact that these "JEWISH" people (Israelis) also funded the Boers with weapons to resist the growing support for democracy in SA during aparteid.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
South Africa fought against communism; right after the fall of communism, the country was given to ANC. All Western countries fought communism. Insult to point out British knighted their own Hitler / sub-sahara= the only place the UN cannot meet their goals because it is so backward/ the gold & diamonds benefitted Jewish run companies? Black africa still has to build as many roads, schools, hospitals, post offices, broadcasting stations, etc. as did Apartheid -where they went for heart surgery.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Do you just copy paste what you write over and over again? Because you have repeated the stuff you have written several times now.
You also aren't answering the questions. You just change the subject and repeat things all over again "Knighted your Hitler". Kitchener didn't gas millions of jews and caused a world war. He was nothing like Hitler. You have some cheek calling him that when you are defending aparteid. I bet you support the AWB who fly their own 777 swastica around the place.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
There is no way you can argue that the natives liked aparteid. If the whites thought that then they would have given them the vote. That is democracy not communism. DEMOCRACY.
Only the Boers support aparteid because they had the whip hand over the majority natives. It was an oppressive oligarchy. Who cares about open heart surgery when it was done in an oppressive state which denied people the vite because of the colour of their skin. It is racist!
Do you hate everyone who isn't a Boer??
Catholicism777 2 years ago
the 30 poorest countries are in sub-saharan Africa (except for Afghanistan). guess who runs them? they got to learn reading & writing, calendars, how to save a baby's life (and not snip off its penis for muti in muti murders), how to marry without paying lobola and then enslave the woman for the money paid for her - the sub-saharan countries without apartheid were distinctly worse than SA & Rhodesia. Sub-Sahara is the only place not even the UN can reach its goals. guess who is in charge there.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Africa has always been poor. I would agree with you but what you are saying is hypocricy. You say the British controlling the Boers is evil and cruel and yet you say it is justified for any other african country to be ruled by another nation.
Surely the best thing to do is to aid African countries and teach them right from wrong in a democratic way? To oppress them is only going to make them hate western democracy and values even more.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Exactly. They weren't under Zulu rule because the British defeated them to save the Boers from Zulu rule.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Oh Please! ever heard of the massacre of Bloukrans & Blood River? The mafecane?
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Nope. Heard of the Zulu war? You keep moving away from the FACT that Britain fought the Zulu's to protect the Boer people from slaughter.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Dear catholicism777 - the brits defeating the zulu's to help the boers? If i ever thought you knew anything about south africa you have no finally convinced me that you do not.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
And you have proven to me that you are a racist and and anti semite. You also wish to see the torture of British civileans.
You have proven to everyone that Boers have no right to control a country because it would only be a government of racism and oppression.
Thanks for your time. I hope you will learn about history outside of South Africa so you can truly understand the insignificance of your own passion for hate and pessimistic nostalgia.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
1. the true racists are the blacks from sub-saharan africa risking their lives crossing the oscean / sahara desert to get into a country run by whites. 2. we have no right to control the land we built up? are all catholics like that? 3. i have travelled extensively and lived right from the far east across the globe - for years now!! ha- another of your assumptions gone. google Lizzie van Zyl to learn something.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Assumptions? That's rich coming from you. Your generalizations of black people are appauling. How is it racist for black people to travel to developed countries for a better standard of living?
The American president is black. Is he stupid and corrupt because he is black? I've asked this question before but you didn't answer. Lets try again.
Are all Catholics like what? Another generalization.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
the 30 poorest countries in the world are run and mainly occupied by black people. even the blacks flee them - to where? preferably countries with white governments. the American president is half-black: his father had the savvy to go to a white country and marry a white girl. his boy now has a life. why do blacks not like a white president? because they are racist.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Why do you not like black people, Jewish people, British people? Because you are a racist.
At the end of the day everyone has said racist things. There is a difference however. If you use that racism to fuel hate then that is a cause for concern. That is why so many people were against eh oppressive aparteid regime. That is why slavery was abolished. That is why we follow the belief that every man is equally important.
You are an almost extinct minority.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
You have a racist opinion against the Boers. This tiny group of people were the descendants Europe - including catholic governments - dumped in Africa for the benefits of the sea route. this tiny group helped the blacks more than you catholics could do - the countries in Africa with mainly catholic churches enjoy less human rights than did protestant South Africa. You hate Afrikaners, Boers. The black leader will earn respect by building up their countries as well as the Afrikaner did.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
I don't hate any group of people. I hate people are blind with ignorance, racist without real reason and those who use past events to justify torture and murder.
"Catholics, Catholics, Catholics".
First it was the British. Then it was the blacks. Then it was the Jews. Now it is the Catholics. Does you hate for humanity ever end riebeekkasteel? Hate never gets you anywhere. That's why nobody cares about the Boers anymore. I wanted to learn about the Boer war.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
what an assumption. you made me negative towards catholics, nothing else did. you seem to hate the boers. the Sub-Saharan countries without them look distinctly worse, and the Congo is now inviting us back to help them!!! the statistics for Africa are probably too difficult for you to understand. but, i have to go now, we are translating a book about why protestants fled France.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
well, these are the facts. the british took over the cape, and made our lives hell. the blacks massacred a lot of us, and took to rape, etc. the jews benefitted from 35% of the kids starving in concentration camps. now the Iraqi's also suffer under the british, as did the Indians and the Blacks. many people from biblical times suffered under the Jews; now the Palestinians do. if you look at Africa, you will see how africans make each other suffer - probably beyond you.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
That is the problem with Boers. Their ignorance and racism runs deep in their culture and gene pools. Pessimistic nostalgia and blind generalizations.
That is why in less than 100 years you will be an extinct people. Your numbers are dwindling away and deep down you know it.
The native majority, rightfully or wrongly are taking revenge for the 20th century oppression they suffered from the likes of you and now you all flee, ironically to the country you keep moaning about.
Great Britain.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Yes, we might become extinct. And your catholic god, if he exists, is supposed to see it. but he does not care, as you remind me of how good it is that Britain squashed us to almost nothing, that we are now almost gone. fine god you have, you catholic
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Technically when the British took over South Africa they built it up. Does that give them right over the Boers?
The Boers had no right to oppress not only the native population but the Majority population! If they did have that right then the British had every right to do the same thing to the Boers.
If you have travelled around then you wouldn't have such a narrow minded opinion of the world. Clearly you have learnt little in your travels.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
no-one gave the british the rights to starve children; torture animals: slicing pieces of meat from live animals; cut out the tongues of some so they could not feet, & burnt some, so they took days to die in agony. what about the mafecane ... your hammering on the Majority denies the fact that the blacks are not one group, and had many wars amongst them. that catholic bible seems to teach you funny ideas... catholics tortured the french hugenots fled to south africa - ex-catholics became boers..
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
First of all don't bother tryin to change the subject again. This isn't a religious arguement. You do not know my religious beliefs so don't bother assuming. Catholic bible? The bible is the same as any other Christian sect.
If the British didn't have the right then the Boers didn't have the right to oppress, extort, beat and kill innocent black natives who were the Original population of the country which the Boers collinized for themselves. If the Brits had no right. The Boers had no right.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
You talk with opinion, not facts. Under Afrikaner rule (only 40 years, but we get blamed for 350!) the Blacks multiplied ten fold; under British rule, we were almost wiped out. there is a difference, that your catholic identity seems not to understand. basic multiplication. you catholics tortured the protestants, so many of them fled to south africa to become Afrikaners. those are facts that you cannot deny.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Again you assume and generalize. My Catholic heretige is from Ireland. I have never hurt a Protestant soul. We were tortured and murdered by Protestant rulers who considered us the anti Christ. Don't you dare use my baptised religion as an excuse for hate. My own mother is a Protestant. The fact that you keep reverting the subject shows that you have run out of ideas.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
I originally sympathized with the Boers. Honestly. Now thanks to yourself, I couldn't care less.
You clearly hate anyone who doesn't agree with yourself and isn't one of your own dieing "people". Good day sir.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
I am not a "sir"- just shows you how wrong you really are... now you finally shows that you work on assumptions, and not on facts. I am female... ha ha your catholic mindset...
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Yes because all non Catholics have the ability to see through the internet and know the others gender.
Just goes to show the hypocrisy of your own people. You mock a sign or respect.
Very well. Have a fucking awful day you dirty Protestant Boer bitch. Go and put another black guy in the fire to fuel your hateful history.
Happy now? I speak your peoples language now. Filth!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
you said, "sir". that shows the assumption that I was male. assumes that I am still protestant... what a god you must have, that you even have your religion in your name, and this is the kind of lovely language you use towards someone else! You cannot deny the statistics, so you resort to name-calling. this is the sign of an uneducated mind - or maybe this is what your god is telling you to say, considering that you identify so much with your religion. the hugenots make such good history ...
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Again the charming racist returns with its assumptions and generalizations. The change to a religious arguement showing she isn't happy about talking of her families history in oppressing the people of native Africa. You cannot deny it. You just try and justify it with more racism and more hate. Adding more groups of people to your hate list.
Like I said you do not know of my religious beliefs. I may have been baptised a Catholic but that doesn't mean I follow the Churches beliefs 100%. Fool.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
You assumed that I was male; called me a "dirty protestant bitch" - assuming I am a protestant. You also told me I am a fool while broadcasting your catholic identify. LOL You justify the British starving kids and ignore stats on African development. The Congo is asking Afrikaner farmers back! Not you catholics! But i hope we vanish - as you so wish - so Africa can sink to new depths. or maybe the chinese could extend their slavery in Africa - like giving Mugabe weapons against his own.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
You wrote in an agressive male way. You went on and on about Protestants and evil Catholics. I have not said that it was good to kill anyone. I have said that you should just get over yourself. Far worse things have happened. Worse things like what you have done to the natives you oppressed only a few years ago. Also if the Boers never rebelled then it wouldnt have happened. if the Boers didn't fight like cowards then it wouldnt have happened. You are too narrow minded to realise this.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
A "male' writing style. Well, amongst other things, I am a pilot. Have raised kids. Happily married.will remember you assessment &name calling, coming from a catholic. You also assume that we drew all the borders in South Africa. You say we should have handed over the republics to the british - now, go ahead and hand over the whole of Ireland to the Queen. why did your people fight? You also assume it is Ok to call someone a protestant bitch - will show that to the next parish collecting funds.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Again here we go with the religion. You do not know my religious beliefs so DON'T BOTHER. My mother is a Protestant. I don't go to church. You are a severe hypocrite.
Hand the whole of Ireland to the Queen? What is going through you mentally disabled brain? Why did my people fight? Well it was for far better reasons than how your people fought. We also have been renound for bravery. Boers just ran away after firing a couple of shots and let their families die at the hands of the British.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
the IRISH JOKES must be true...
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
There are jokes about the Irish. I'm happy however to know that my people aren't actual jokes like yours.
"Hey Brew we are African white Boers. We hate everything. We hate kaffars. Our history is short and insignificant but we will wail about our lamentations like we are the fricken jews in the holocaust. AWB! AWB!"
tut tut tut.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
add this one: the Congo is wanting us boers to work their land. "Ficken" Jews? My word. Funny spelling, "kaffars". Have never seen that before. Maybe a little language learning would do you some good. Your educational level is probably typically Irish - hence the jokes.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
More racism :) Thank you for continuing to prove my point. This is fantastic. Really opens the true character of the Boers.
I don't care what the Congo wants. You are still a racist and you are still a dieing culture. The only wide support your apartheid has are neo nazis! I'm sure you are happy about that though because we have all seen your edited Boer swastica flags. 777. Tut tut tut.
Nelson Mandela. What's your opinion of this man? hahaha!!!
Joke what you like. You are a joke!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Just like the assumption I must be a man... little irish joke yourself.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
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Catholicism777 2 years ago
oh yes, you are liked by the world - especially the british... what i look like ... you probably do not know any female pilots. another assumption about the Boers... and i still remember your calling me a "protestant bitsh"- will save it.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Especially the Americans actually. The British would be the people who least like the Irish. They like them now because they built most of Britain.
You are a bitch. By the way you have displayed yourself as an absolute racist bigot with hate and the taste of blood on your conscience pretty much gives me every right to call you one.
Like I said. You are one to talk about assumptions. You have been assuming your whole life!
Catholicism777 2 years ago
see you removed some of your comments - no need to despair their loss, I have them classified for a project on Irish mentality. With technology today, comments do not vanish.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Oh don't worry about that. I normally delete my comments after use. But as you are so pedantic and use anything you can to revert the subject I have put them back up.
You have clearly run out of ideas.
Oh I know technology allows such things. The British, Irish and Americans (all the same people in reality) made them all.
Boers haven't contributed anything of significant value to the world.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Don't worry. Nobody will remember your countries dark past. Nobody will remember your people at all. Most of the world doesn't know Boers exist.
The few who do don't sympathise with their racist ideals. Not all Boers. But poor examples like you fuel the stereotype.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
you told me i am male, a protestant bitch, a .... just more names... we will vanish because the good die young
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
You sounded male. Butch even!
Oh I'm sorry let me correct myself. You aren't a bitch. You are a racist, bigoted, hypocritical, intolerant, intolerable, moronic bitch.
The more intelligent would say that the weak die off and the stronger live on.
Survival of the fittest. Boers can't adapt to modern times and modern values; democracy, liberalism, freedom, compassion.
After all. We all know the song. "Ive never met a nice south African" :)
They cannot adapt. So they die. Pure fact.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
lot of name-calling... go get you pilot's licence ... o, of course, you are good at name calling with no substance, and probably one of the ordinary little jobs...
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
And every word is from the heart. No point trying to take the high ground. You have established that your opinions match those of the Nazis. I'm just waiting for you to justify ethnic cleansing.
I don't want to be a pilot. Must be one of the most boring jobs in existance. You don't even do anything. It's all done by computer.
Well you are assuming things again. I'll leave you to your vague opinions which have desolated our world with hate and ignorance.
All's well that ends well.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Many Irish people immigrated to South Africa in the 20th century - to enjoy the luxury of cheap black labour. they enjoyed the fruits of Apartheid too...
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Well then those who joined the Boer oppressors were all scum as well then.
I'm glad you admit you happily exploited black people now. You weren't fooling anyone by suggesting they enjoyed being oppressed.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
oh yeah - chicken out? erase your arguments? I kept all of your comments - maybe just to show the irish person down the road... in front of others, of course.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
I put them back up for all to see because you ran out of ideas and decided to stoop even further down hill. Like I said before. I normally delete my comments after I feel they are of no more use. You went all pedantic over it so I put them up again.
Happy? Of course not. You are never happy unless someone else is in pain. Like all Boers? I wouldn't know. Their stereotype seems to reflect a perfect accuracy of their real character.
Maybe one day I'll meet one who isn't a total moron.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
maybe i will meet someone on youtube that does not assume i am male just because my style of writing shows that the left side of my brain is also developed... someone who does not use the swear words coming from you... you are such a knowledgeable person of character...
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
You don't deserve to meet one.
Intolerant bigots who are bent on racism to suit their own selfish cause to keep an undeserved autonomy in a country which isn't even their's and isn't even a majority group should never be granted such politeness.
It's ideas which go through brains like yours which have caused the greatest genocides and oppressions in human history.
After hearing your insufferable arrogance, I believe I'm justified in saying what I have. No matter how much you twist it.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
you should do some research on how the whole of europe and the uk benefitted from sending whites to south africa for the sea route - if this is not beyond you.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Slavery benefitted European countries. It doesn't mean it was good.
WW2 benefitted America. Doesn't mean it was good.
Your countries' role in the world was disgusting. It made people sick. The whole democratic world and most of South Africa hated apartheid! Don't you understand that?
minimus666 2 years ago
see you changed your name - the same writing style. Apartheid was no worse than discrimination against Blacks and Hispanics in america; the caste system in India &the fact that Sub-saharan countries don't have a place in the G8. If human rights in the rest of Sub-Sahara is worse, but the word APH gave activists a grip on the concept. during the years of Aph. Africans from up north tried to get into South Africa. See what Zimbabwe looks like - South Africa is going the same route.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Same person, old account. My mistake for changing.
Anyways. Saying bad things happened in other countries does not justify apartheid. People immigrated into East Germany during communism. It doesn't mean communism is good!
Things haven't changed. Now that the MAJORITY people in South Africa actually have a democratic voice in South Africa, people are still immigrating into the country!
Zimbabwe went bad when the British Empire collapsed. Does that mean the British Empire was good??
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Dust. Mere noises in the wind. Soon to go silent.
The sooner I stop getting such bigotted comments from Boers the better. I have yet to meet one who is able to adapt to reality. There must be some out there surely? Or have you killed them off? I wouldn't be surprised by the way you hate humanity.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Africa is screwed. Making a social apartheid wasn't exactly helping. No matter what vague statistics you give, an oppressive undemocratic regime was only going to help in more racism and hate. Now they are free to choose their own future. And you still moan?
Again with the catholics! You just don't take the hint do you? I'm just stating a clear fact. You Boer people are dieing out. Wont be around for much longer. Neither will religion. Globalization is on the move. Boers are mere dust. Fact.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
1. how do you know the statistics are vague? 2. yes, they are indeed free to choose their own future - like toing muti murder (harvesting babies'penisses live, & hearts, eyes, livers, kidneys, hands) to mix in potions. 3. You repeat that we are dying out, and call us dust - remember the dirty protestant bitch. the local priest will have a hard time explaining catholicism to anyone reading your comments. You attack me, and not the comments - maybe your schooling was not much.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Maybe you don't understand what it is to be polite so you forced me to make a gesture better suited to your undertstanding.
Any woman that defends arparteid, that wishes the torture and deaths of any nation as a whole, who is racist behond belief and hates almost every religious group that doesn't match her own VAGUE and twisted understanding of history is a BITCH. That word is so very modest in describing someone so full of hate as yourself.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
The problem with african countries is not the africans, its the corruption and lack of democracy
Catholicism777 2 years ago
all sub-sahara countries run by African rule more backward than rest of the world. google wikipedia "human development". corrupt and lack democracy even if they throw in elections. its because they were stone age people that only knew about killing the next tribe - Dingaan had a proper notiating team under Retief murdered. they were stone age , yet aspire to the goals of whites. they were recruited to rape white girls & women and thought they would get their land back if they helped the Brits
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
The British saved the Boers from the Zulu tribes.
If what you say about Africans is true then you should thank the British for allowing the Boers to be under white British rule rather than Zulu rule.
Catholicism777 2 years ago
the Boers were never under Zulu rule ... ever heard of the mafecane?
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
my grandparents were there; so i have some first-hand knowledge.
riebeekkasteel 2 years ago
Good for you. Doesn't really answer my point though...
Catholicism777 2 years ago
Actually, it was from 11 October 1899 to 31 May 1902.
OnlySkillz 3 years ago