I think Yoko's vocals add that jarring nature needed for such a song. The world was disgusted and shocked by this event and Yoko seems to reflect this feeling of disgust by yelling and screaming at the perpetrators. Just my impression.
I LOVE JOHN LENNON Dont get me wrong but i think that this version /watch?v=GqCBlmF1C2s&feature=related by Gary Og is a lot more soulful and passionate.
Politics aside, the chorus offends the ears and the song frankly is mediocre for the great man. I blame Yoko and furthermore I understand why it took a fan to shoot him.
there is not a chance that this song is better than U2's. U2's is so powerful and full of passion and meaning and sung by a man (Bono) who grew up in the Ballymun area of Dublin and knew what he was seeing in the North. He know's what he's singing. And as Bono proclaimed many times before U2 performed it may be a political song but it was 'not a rebel song'. Amazing song of despair but unity.
This however is not a great song. It's just being political for the sake of being political.
@TheGaeilgeoir No, I comment on songs that are blatant propaganda, and this is another of them. Both McCartney and Lennon were guilty of mindless propanda when they left the security of the Beatles. Paul is still trying to shove vegetariansim on the world, regardless of the acute anemia it causes some people. who become protein-defficient. Am I not allowed to comment on anything I wish to on YT? I comment on lots of things, political, social, musical, historical. I like communicating,do you?
@DorsetRod What, are you a sadomasochist? The only real truth is how the people of Ireland feel about what happened. As for McCartney: You're no better. You neglected to mention that mushrooms, soy beans and peanuts contain protein.
@TheGaeilgeoir it seems brits r Again where they are not wanted even in cyberspace continuing preocupation + need to be involved in our countrys affairs whether it be with their army murdering people or provocation in cyber space is strange and puzzling also sad when there is so much wrong with their own island for them to fix.the same idiot is on other irish nationalist sites,its actually a pity someone,s life is so empty. thank god were surrounded by water.we will shake them loose one day
Imagine all the people, living for today, living life in peace, sharing all the world. Imagine a world united in reason and truth, with no war, no poverty, no deception, no division. Imagine a world where we all radiate Love's presence, with absolute appreciation for the Infinite dance of Life. This is the world John Lennon imagined, and we are the ones that can achieve it. Search "Truth Contest" in Google, click the 1st result, then open The Present and read what it says.
@MrAndrewAbe It's been forensicly proven that they were all innocent. every last one of those fourteen men who were shot down. most of them were trying to help other victims. not one trace of gunpowder or explosives were found. And para's aren't elite. They are basicly soldiers that are a lot more AGRESSIVE the usual, and can parachute.
@MegaloMegaMan The Springhill Massacre * Margaret Gargan, 13, shot in the head * John Dougal, 16, shot in the chest * David McCafferty, 15, shot in the chest * Patrick Butler, 39, shot in the head * Father Noel Fitzpatrick, 40, shot in the neck
Ok so, obviously just enjoying the music doesn't exist anymore on YouTube. You're all acting like a bunch of fucking 12-year-olds no matter how old you are or claim to be. Just enjoy the damn song, or leave if you don't like it.
@MrAndrewAbe None of them were armed you stupid fool. Half the people killed were only 17 for fuck sakes.. And the brits NEVER played fair.. Croke Park is my example.. the brits rolled onto the pitch and just randomly fired at men women and kids, and they killed alot of people.
@subg88 So, you hate Bono because he didn't curse? They both send the same message. And by the way, Bono never said "Gee whiz, can't we just get along?". I think the case probably is you're a communist because of Lennon, and Bono is not, therefore Bono is scum and must die. I mean, it's not like Bono is so famous for charity work that he was knighted by the Queen and all Lennon did was make music, right?
@MUFCtheReiligion .. so its not your favourite song , get over it .. no need target Yoko . John liked it ..maybe you just don't like every thing he recorded ..
@0101100101100 Well well, we have quite the poisoned minded, racist little bigot here don't we? Oh by the way, have you checked the latest demographics of the English population? Don't think we need to consider running just yet!!
Por este tema Lennon fué calificado de traidor en inglaterra, y el disco borrado de las listas y prohibido por la BBC.¿Total, por decir la verdad? No hay apología del ira ni nada, solo narra unos hechos reales. A mi me gusta el tema a pesar de YOKO. Cierto biografo dijo, que para él, Lennon fué el hombre que escribió "The luck of the irish" de tematica similar, y en el mismo doble lp, muy dificil de hallar: Sometimes in New York city. CENSURA
@MrAndrewAbe You're right, I forgot. The Irish can't hate, gingers have no souls xP If you find death funny I'd love to see your parents' funerals. You would LOL so hard and so would I xD So if you're not going to stick up or your country and those unarmed civilians who were killed by the British troops, I will. I'm more Irish than you'll ever be, piss off, if you want this conversation to end, end it: don't reply.
@MrAndrewAbe next time you adress me make sure you're sober. i'm on your side you fucking wanker, god, learn whos the idiot before you open your mouth u retarded gobshite.
Note yur comment.....Martin Luther was the man.....but henry viii was only worried about his own position.....he looked for a way out & got it....protestantism....Blessed Mary isn't seen as an icon in the Catholic faith ...She is the Immaculate Conception......She is seen as an icon in the Protestant faith alright, created by Martin Luther because he wanted to interpret the bible differently.....same way as the Koran is....you can look at it from all angles but we both are Christian ...
@arontcba Yeah I'm not going to defend Henry VIII..the guy was deeply unpleasant.lol He was however originally opposed to Luther, he wrote a Catholic pamphlet defending Rome, and the Pope awarded him with the title 'defender of the faith'. His head got big and he decided why bother with the pope at all. The CofEngland is really just Catholicism without a pope. problem is more predominate in Northern Ireland is Scotch Prebyterianism/Calvinism, which is a creed 100% opposed to Roman Catholicism.
Very true I think ...protestants (protesters) were created for Henry v111 benefit ...the prick didn't like his wife so killed her cause he couldn't divorce her and so on for his other poor wives ...So now the head of the protesters church is the queen ...Peter created the Catholic church on instruction from The Christ .... Who will you be praying to on your death bed !!!!
@arontcba The Church of England was largely created due to Henry VIII's marital problems, but is the most Catholic of all supposedly 'Protstant' churches. Protestantism started in Germany as a 'protest' to the many abuses of faith by the Catholic church, i.e the ridiculus sale of 'indulgences', the extravagance and luxury the pope and his bishops live in, totally contrary to that of Jesus and his disciples themselves. The 'idol' worship of 'Virgin Mary' which is contrary to bible, etc.
@citizeno Lennon was an Englishman, with irish ancestry. To be honest anyone who can't see the wrong with soldiers shooting down unarmed protesters has to have something wrong with them, you don't need to have a bias. Beyond that the I.R.A contact Lennon had in New York admitted Lennon had a confused and poor understanding of the people and politics of Northern Ireland. Ironically enough he was decended from Protestants. His uncle in Liverpool was in the Orange Order & signed the 1912 Covenent.
@jacksbacksucker and before I get pulled up on it he also had Catholic ancestry. But the point being he, his parents and all his grandparents were born in England. Murder of unarmed protesters is abhorant to any right thinking human being..which Lennon was, his distant, mixed, Irish ancestry is besides the point to that.
@jacksbacksucker honestly I am from NY and i dont see why the postings have so much reference to whether a person is catholic or protestant??? i think personally its a damn shame when any country also adds to division by religion. first off; Roman Catholicism is from Rome and no other and Protestants are a descendant of Catholicism so it all the same really. I happened to have been raised Catholic and then indeed was Protestant and dislike both because division it does; enlighten, it does not
@kahetel13 You have to understand the history. The plantation of Ireland by the British was done specifically to wipe out Catholicism. This was at a time when the pope had excomunicated the English monarch and put a bounty on her. The Catholic nations of Spain, Germany and France were all lining up against England, and using Ireland as a springboard for invasion. The legacy of this is in N.Ireland the ethnic divisions were created along religious lines.
Surely people are people, whatever colour, religion EVEN football team (attempt at humour) my goodness, why are we still argueing afterall this time???
There are so many real problems in this world, people starving, does the I rish issue reallly mean more than the problems eleswhere ????
Whether you agree with Lennon's politics or not, he captured the mood of 1972, for sure. It's also one of the few songs with Yoko's voice that I actually like.
@smithrs, you've got to be kidding! I was going to comment that the song was okay, but Yoko absolutely ruins it. Its so sad that he was married to her and couldn't tell her, "No, honey, I don't want you singing along on my songs because you can't sing and you have no talent. I love you, but that's the way it is."Its absolutely giving me a migrane listening to her screeching Sunday, Bloody Sunday, Bloody Sunday, today, aaaaaahhh!! OMG!!! Sorry, my opinion, I know you like it and that's cool.
this is a fucking disgrace. 14 people died and hes tane this tribute and fuckin ruined the fore eyed fuckin arsehole the beatles were fuckin dyer. scouse tit
This is a great song,never heard it before. Anybody that comparise this to U2 knows nothing about music or anything that ever happened in Ireland. Two completly different songs
...actually U2 didn't grow up in the troublers, they were in Dublin where there was actually no trouble...Think about your comments, mate. The troubles were in Belfast, etc and not down south. U2 are hardly representative of the Illumanati Freemason Irish Republican (Brotherhood) Presbeterian Orange lodge men "controlled" Nothern Irish people of which I am from...Sorry to be provocitive...Just trying to get a fact across...See Michael Tsarion...
@3tangle3 - I don't doubt that you are right. I was only pointing out that the Celts are not the original inhabitants of the island - something that is easily forgotten when discussing Irish history.
It would be intersting to know what the pre-Celtic peoples of the island thought about being colonised "peacefully" too.
The "Anglo pigs & Scotties" may have "colonised the North" - but so did the Celts (circa 400 BC), and the "Scots" are an Irish tribe anyway, who migrated to "Scot-land" (inhabited until then by Picts) during the European Dark Ages.
As ever, history gets mangled when discussing Ireland - history is a weapon, a club with which to clobber one's political opponents.
@TerrySleeper but the celtic colonising was believed to be far more peaceful, as the majority of our genetics descends from the iberian pre celtic settlers, indicating a cultural transfer according to my post grad research
@3tangle3 That's equally true in England, all the people in bothe isles primarily have pre celtic AND pre Germanic genes. So by that logic the English (and the notoriously peace loving Vikings) were tree hugging hippies too, who came ovepurely r to chill out with the natives for some mutual good times. If the Celts were so peaceful why did the great great Roman conqueres of half Europe and Asia build a great big fecking wall when they got to Scotland, and never dare touch Ireand at all?
@jacksbacksucker seriously do your own history resaearch, I am just as clued up as thenext history man......the romans never made it to ireland lets put it that way bud
@3tangle3 Exactly. That's my point. They didn't touch Ireland or Scotland. Why you think the warriors who conquered everywhere else from Isreal to Spain did that then eh?.....If the Celts were these peaceloving beatnicks, they'd have torn that land right under them. Hadrian Built a wall to keep them out? Read Tacitus..They were head hunters...the Romans were shit scared of them and didn't want anything to do with them. These Celts originally conquered Ireland with and by force, without doubt.
@jacksbacksucker Then the Vikings did, then the Normans did, then the English &Scots.....Irelands a mix match of different people all invaders, all staking claiming the land by force. Ditto history of every other European country...nothing special there.
@jacksbacksucker well the saxons and normans were just as ruthless if not worse...also romans were pretty barbaric....dont believe all what the romans write...it is biased propaganda for the folks back in rome to support them..............celts were more progressive than the romans
@3tangle3 I'm not saying there was nothing worthy about Celtic culture, true, but they were brutal and war like, as were the saxons, and yes Romans too, accepted. The people of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales, are a mix of all these peoples, Celts, Saxons, Vikings, Romans, and as you rightly pointed out in the most the Iron age tribes that preceeded all these 'conquerers'.
@jacksbacksucker we may never know hoe peaceful or warlike the first pre celtici iberian settlers were.....but you can still see traces of them todays in many black and ginger haired underlings like my bro :P
Lennon, U2, Wolfe Tones...Doesn't matter who sings it or how. The point is, it is a very important song and really rather amazing that it has spanned a few generations and educated people, no??
One of the very few songs where Yoko's voice works-sounds like punk/new wave/B-52s etc...............much prefer this to U2,Bono is such a Lennon wannabe in everything he does but doesn't have the balls to really put his neck on the block like Lennon did.
@thenowuk I hear you,he didn't want to upset America and england;then he can;t collect the awards he receives.Like the knight shite jonn sent back. [you know those fuckers didn't' want an Irishmen receiving it ]
There has been numerous attempts to turn the British ruling class and the Irish working class. Once the 1st international pointed that out many British trade unions showed solidarity to and often joined in the protests supporting the fenian movement.
I may have felt the same when young, but now I'm older, exactly same age in fact lennon was when he wrote this, I wouldn't, because it just perpetuates the cycle of violence and make things ten times worse. 25 years of troubles living proof of that. What does violence solve? To be fair Lennon himself later totally distanced himself from type of statements here, for much same reason. He was genuinly a pacifist, just temporarily got led astray by stonger charachters around him, yoko said this.
You Anglo-PIGS. C'mon 'Pigs'! Listen to the language he was using Monogirl. That was what I object to, not necceasrily any of the nationalist sentiment. This song isn't Lennon speaking, it's the New York Republicans around him then. He was a peacful man at heart, and this song is just miguided and ugly. As someone with Ulster Catholics, and Ulster protestants in his immediate family history, couldn't he instead have made an appeal for peace and understanding, rather than stoke fires further?
I agree with you about the unionist ideology though. My own irish blood links are 100% Catholic from Leitrim and Cork. But I'm London born and bred. Personally I don't have a strong opinion on whether Northern Ireland stays in Britian or goes to the Republic, I do care genuinly about people, of whatever nationality, getting hurt and killed because of it. Really who cares what's stamped on anyones passport? As long as we have peace?
john was no bigot. he was writing passionately in the wake of a seminal moment when the BA had carried out "the LAST thing such a tense and volitile situation needed". asking people who think they're in britain to repatriate (NI isn't in britain, it was simply colonised & then created by her) doesn't, in my opinion, come from a place of intolerance. he is infact asking irish people of all factions to unite. maybe like me he views the unionist community as as irish as the rest of us.
and religious bigotry??? have to call you out on that as i'm sure you know (you seem intelligent) that the conflict had nothing quantifiable to do with religion & it's not referred to once in the song apart from 'not for london or for rome'. to criticise a groups politics is not to criticise their religious affiliations! rightly or wrongly catholic & protestant in general here merely refer to a persons percieved nationality & politics.
@monogirl3 And o.k granted Lennon isn't personally responsible for the fact nationalism, colonialism and religion have become so entangled in everything there. I take that back. 'But Ireland for the Irish'? Well...'Imagine no countries' hardly squares with that? I just prefer the days John Lennon was in a one world, peaceful mood, but hey that's me. Intelligent? Naive more like. I accept youre from Ireland so probably have a better grip of the situation there than me..or John Lennon!
when it comes to NI in the late 60s/early 70s it was hard to be on the fence. appeal for peace & understanding when you had a partisan police force smashing up homes & smashing up heads? unfathomable depths of deprivation? torture & repression from the army presence? half a century of built-up neglect from britain, one party rule & persecution? most catholics didn't have a vote or a job. thousands of children were homeless in derry...
14 civilians then murdered whilst protesting against internment ie. the targeting of their community which only served to increase recruitment into paramilitaries. people (& evidently john) were ANGRY. i'm a lover of humanity but quite frankly i wouldve had petrolbombs in both hands which may or may not be more controversial than this song!
@monogirl3 I agree that is the key, a just Northern Ireland/Ulster, where ALL the people are treated with equal rights and respect is the only answer and always has been. Injustice and inequality is the real root cause of the trouble. Whether that happens with the people being part of the Republic, the United Kingdom, or independant of either entity, is a side issue anyway. It does seem to be moving that way at last, but then that's just my view from across the water.
@jacksbacksucker you're right. i'm of the opinion that the 400 year old social, economic & religious division between the two communities in this part of ireland was always calculated though - divide and rule. these divisions served the interests of the rich & powerful. where there's inequality there's hatred and polarisation, & when you have a statelet founded on a headcount to keep one 'side' in charge indefinitely it will live with that legacy.. & it did.
@monogirl3 Out of interest how are things there these days, do the two communities mix more? I assume you're from Ulster? I'f I'm being too nosy tell me to buzz off...
dont take this song wrongly thats to both sides of the norths conflict lennon is promoting peace by giving the north to the republic not encouraging attacking to either side peaceful protests are the only effective method killing will have you prosecuted in hell
@Dman31619 Lennons own family were Ulster Portestants. His uncle signed the Ulster Covenent in 1912. Yet ehre he tells 'Anglo Pigs and Scotties..repatriate to Britian'? Yeah sounds peaceful. I love Lennon but the dude could be hypocritical in the extreme, and if you read Ray Colemans biography he openly stated that he later regretted the album this was part of, and getting involved in politics. He was basically like an excited kid when he hit New York, and for the first year or so got led astray
how was he hypocritical? just because you have family with certain politics doesn't mean you must have them. i have protestants in my family too, doesn't change a thing. it's not the descendants of those settled here centuries ago that my opposition lies with, it's the unionist ideology that developed through the manipulation of this community. john was anti-imperialist. maybe at times he was torn between his striving for peace & the violence of rebellion but that's entirely understandable
@jacksbacksucker and i would add that agreeing with the goals doesn't mean you nessesarily agree with the means in which someone attempts to achieve said goals. this is of course in relation to the provisionals. personally, if i'd been alive at the time, i would have descended pretty quickly from supporting them to renouncing them too.
@monogirl3 I think i does make someone, anyone, a hypocritre singing "imagine no countries, nothing to kill or die for", then 9 months later writing a hate filled ditty demonising an entire community, one he happened todecend from, absolutly the last thing such a tense and volatile situation needed. It was basicly dangerous shit stirring. Sectarianism, religious bigotry & overt racism is bullshit whoever it's aimed at, and whoever it comes from, including the great John Lennon.
An irishman gave me a beating?? BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA shitty little irish men cant beat shit, there a bunch off fags & u can take that to the bank if u had any banks 2 speak of! what a bunch of fucking fools u filty irish really are! GOD bless Poland & the beautiful Polish people!
Great tune. It's a damn shame (I am a born '84) but what a damn shame, the best beatle (not going to start a debate) dead at a young 40. RIP John, wish you were around here now. Stop the bloody shit in the middle east. = C in america.
I am a HUGE beatles fan (so I like them as solo artists too), but I think I like u2's song better. (don't get me wrong though. You're probably thinking about hating on me for liking u2 over Lennon and say something like u2 sucks balls or something
@kilomeister I was going to bother replying to that inane display of your inate lack of wit, breeding or basic intelligence, but it's all been said already on your comments i.e ... "You, pal, are a REAL wanker." I suggest you take heed of that great mans comments and Come back when your braincell has found a mate. In fact don't bother. I might be a 'boy' youre a fucking twat.
@jacksbacksucker listen "boy". you're complete lack of intelligence , grammar and punctuation are embarrassing. it must reflect well on your parents and teachers if you can be so cocky and boastful. your obviously ignorant of criticism. "i was going to". mans, Come and braincell are all wrong. a big dunce cap for you son. don't throw a tantrum. mummy will buy you a big lollipop.
Sorry to be apparantly slagging him of, as I say i genuinly love the guy and his work, but he should have been a bit more cautious before jumping in so one sided in a 400 yr old conflict. Alot of the problems in Eire & GB, are the same today, generally people get on well, and want peace, but it's the extremist, and idiots from abroad, the states etc, with no idea of what the situation is, but think it is their business interferring, spitting hate and prolonging sufferings they don't share in.
@jacksbacksucker John lennon was a genius the greatest musician of all time dont sit high and mighty and judge him wether lennon was english or not has no relevance the irish were the underdogs pitted up against the british empire one of the biggest armys in the world and what did ireland have a few paramilitary orginasations we were bullied for 800 years and lennon didnt think that was right and fair play that he had the balls to stand up to the british government as an englishmen and say that
@MrWeedsmoker345 This is just it, I don't think it is up to John Lennon, or myself, as Anglo Irishmen to sit high and mighty judging the people of the Island of Ireland, and the politics, or any other foreigners. The people of Ireland are smart and grown up enough to deal with their own affairs without ill informed foreigners meddling in. The 'British Empire' by the way cannot have opressed anyone for 800 years. It's only existed for at best 300. The people who invaded and assfucked the Irish..
..were the Normans, French Vikings, who were at same time opressing the English, Welsh and Scots too. In fact far more 'English' lost their lands to these people after our invasion event 1066, then Irish did in the subsequent invasion of Ireland. They are the lineal ancestors of the 'landed' classes who were, andare still largely welding the rod over the people of BOTH our Islands, and laugh at us whilst we spout bullshit nationalism + petty hatred at eachother!
@jacksbacksucker And to be fair, Lennon himself later refused to do a charity concert for the republican community in Belfast, unless he could do one for the protestants too. This was two years after writing this. He also distanced himself from the IRA once they launched their terrorist campagin on mainland England same time 74. He had clearly moved on in his own understanding since' you anglo pigs and scotties, repatriate to britian', ...
@kilomeister I was going to bother replying to that inane display of your inate lack of braincells, breeding or basic intelligence, but it's all been said on your comments "You, pal, are a REAL wanker." lol agreed. Come back when your braincell has found a mate. Fucking twat.
@jacksbacksucker John lennon was a genius the greatest musician of all time dont sit high and mighty and judge him wether lennon was english or not has no relevance the irish were the underdogs pitted up against the british empire one of the biggest armys in the world and what did ireland have a few paramilitary orginasations we were bullied for 800 years and lennon didnt think that was right and fair play that he had the balls to stand up to the british government as an englishmen and say that
What about what Ghandi achieved non violently? Considering he wrote this just a year after the beautiful 'Imagine' it is shocking how ugly some of the language here is " You Anglo PIGS and Scotties sent to colonise the north" etc. He was an Englishman himself raised by a much loved English auntie, who held some pretty anti Irish views! Sorry, I loved the dude, but I think deep down at heart he was a very insecure and confused individual, good intentioned, but at times deeply naive too.
@jacksbacksucker JL believed in non violence. But he never was the man that would suggest "to turn the other cheek" . He believed that is good to demonstrate your opinions peacefully but to defend yourself when someone violates your rights . In this song he is really cruel to his compatriots but how couldn' t he be so? While he was protesting against Americans for the Vietnam war, his compatriots were making other people suffer. He had to be cruel just to show that his beliefs are objective....
@greekLAR Obviously people were upset, the massacre was still raw when this was written. But Lennon, like myself is/was English born to irish catholics . He therefore was in a unique position to present a blanced view, and plead for peace and understandinf on both sides. Demonising the English, Protestants, Catholics, anyone was just bound to stoke the flames further. Too many have died in the NI conflict. John was not Irish & had a relatively simplistic and clumsy grip of the politics.
I like to remember Lennon by 'Imagine' instead. To answer my own question, if he were still around, regret this or not, who knows, but I like to think he'd be using his talents toward promoting a lasting peace for ALL the people of the Island of Ireland, whatever nationality, tribe or religion. Remember, he was let down andabandoned by his feckless Irish father as a child, and an adult, and I think this explains why he went a bit overtop in embracing his 'irish' roots .
@jacksbacksucker Lennon changed during the years and in my opinion he changed for good. Lennon of mid 70s' didn't have the hippy mind of the 60s'. He learned through years of protesting that "flower power" and the non violence crap is a gift for the establishment. Being a man of peace means that u hate deeply everything that causes war and conflicts. Thats why we see so much difference between "revolution" lyrics and "power to the people" lyrics...
@jacksbacksucker "You say you want a revolution Well, you know We all want to change the world You tell me that it's evolution Well, you know We all want to change the world But when you talk about destruction Don't you know that you can count me out " but few years later.... "Say you want a revolution We better get on right away Well you get on your feet And out on the street"......
John was a confused individual. He was famously an internationalist, who didn't believe in borders and division, yet here he sings a song containing rampant nationalism. He was famously a pacifist, but here, however legitimate it iwas to condemn the Bloody Sunday Massacre, he blatantly stokes the fires of sectarianism and violence. There is nothing concilitory in this track. I wonder what his thoughts would be today, if still around. Would he regret this period of his work?
They take working class kids ( economic subscription ) , brutalise them ( training/ wash their brains?) and then set them loose. A curse on the Para's and their Whitehall Masters. Our Day Will Come
...I think a lot of people are remarking about how better or worse this song is than U2's. However, this is missing the whole point of the song, but then we are entertrained to think like this, aren't we...it's a political song, and that he put his neck on the block to do so is very credible to John and indeed Yoko...U2 were from the South of Ireland, and were seen as "cun*s" by local Irish punk bands that really knew what was what in N Ireland...They did it to jump-start their carreer...
@afterdavit err no U2 were from Dublin and had more of a right to sing this song seeing as they grew up witnessing the events. I love John Lennon - greatest British musician of them all but this song by him is not needed seeing and is a depiction of a man who's pretentiousness went overboard during this stage of his career. U2s Sunday Bloody Sunday will always hold greater meaning and substance and I'm thrilled music history recognises that unlike sad Lennon obsessives like yourself.
I think Yoko's vocals add that jarring nature needed for such a song. The world was disgusted and shocked by this event and Yoko seems to reflect this feeling of disgust by yelling and screaming at the perpetrators. Just my impression.
TraleeIs 1 day ago
Totally killed by Yoko, brilliant song, shame she ruined it.
portlassie 3 days ago
I LOVE JOHN LENNON Dont get me wrong but i think that this version /watch?v=GqCBlmF1C2s&feature=related by Gary Og is a lot more soulful and passionate.
IrishLeprechaun1997 6 days ago
ah i wish there was a version without yoko's vocals.
kaitlinan 3 weeks ago
@kaitlinan eire og do a good version
ejayb4 3 weeks ago
What wouldn't we all give for a "remove Yoko" app?
GerryMATW 1 month ago
Can someone get the masters and remove Yoko? you're doing a service to society.
theoriginalMaxman2 1 month ago
We love you John Lennon!, Yoko, should have tried anything but singing.
OISINDMAN 1 month ago
8 декабря, трагичный день для всех кто любил и любит Джона, величайший музыкант и певец.
santer96 1 month ago
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guitarlawyer75 1 month ago
i like her she has spirit
adric137 1 month ago 3
Yoko is a wonderful talent!!!
adric137 1 month ago
Politics aside, the chorus offends the ears and the song frankly is mediocre for the great man. I blame Yoko and furthermore I understand why it took a fan to shoot him.
protectthehuman 2 months ago
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@protectthehuman and furthermore,you are one dumb prick for making such a statement
FreeGael 2 months ago
@protectthehuman and ur SN is protectthehuman? hahahahaha
shirin2556 1 month ago
great song
shanehenning26 2 months ago
thumbs up if you like this over U 2's song
Weasel1282 3 months ago
there is not a chance that this song is better than U2's. U2's is so powerful and full of passion and meaning and sung by a man (Bono) who grew up in the Ballymun area of Dublin and knew what he was seeing in the North. He know's what he's singing. And as Bono proclaimed many times before U2 performed it may be a political song but it was 'not a rebel song'. Amazing song of despair but unity.
This however is not a great song. It's just being political for the sake of being political.
MrRascasseman 2 months ago
@MrRascasseman i like this one more because of the political factor. im over half Irish and feel very strongly towards them
Weasel1282 2 months ago
Lennnon was awesome, but I have to say I prefer Eire Og's version of his great rebel song.
drillsargentadog 3 months ago 2
Jeez, this is a shit song.
DorsetRod 3 months ago
@DorsetRod you're always commenting on songs about Ireland. Why?
TheGaeilgeoir 3 months ago
@TheGaeilgeoir No, I comment on songs that are blatant propaganda, and this is another of them. Both McCartney and Lennon were guilty of mindless propanda when they left the security of the Beatles. Paul is still trying to shove vegetariansim on the world, regardless of the acute anemia it causes some people. who become protein-defficient. Am I not allowed to comment on anything I wish to on YT? I comment on lots of things, political, social, musical, historical. I like communicating,do you?
DorsetRod 3 months ago
@DorsetRod but do you enjoy annoying people who come on this site to enjoy videos. And what exactly isn't true in this song?
TheGaeilgeoir 3 months ago
@DorsetRod What, are you a sadomasochist? The only real truth is how the people of Ireland feel about what happened. As for McCartney: You're no better. You neglected to mention that mushrooms, soy beans and peanuts contain protein.
PlutoniumPlayPin 3 months ago
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Wrenheads 4 days ago
@TheGaeilgeoir it seems brits r Again where they are not wanted even in cyberspace continuing preocupation + need to be involved in our countrys affairs whether it be with their army murdering people or provocation in cyber space is strange and puzzling also sad when there is so much wrong with their own island for them to fix.the same idiot is on other irish nationalist sites,its actually a pity someone,s life is so empty. thank god were surrounded by water.we will shake them loose one day
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TheHonestChurch 3 months ago
wow this makes me lose respect for bono... proof how brillant an musican Lennon was
the3rdjoker 4 months ago
WOW!!! This is John lennon? COOL:
qualqui 4 months ago in playlist wolfe tones
UDA ALL THE WAY FUCK THE POPE AND THE IRA !
SouthwestRanger 4 months ago
much better then U2 one
AJL41382 4 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe It's been forensicly proven that they were all innocent. every last one of those fourteen men who were shot down. most of them were trying to help other victims. not one trace of gunpowder or explosives were found. And para's aren't elite. They are basicly soldiers that are a lot more AGRESSIVE the usual, and can parachute.
MegaloMegaMan 4 months ago
@MegaloMegaMan The Springhill Massacre * Margaret Gargan, 13, shot in the head * John Dougal, 16, shot in the chest * David McCafferty, 15, shot in the chest * Patrick Butler, 39, shot in the head * Father Noel Fitzpatrick, 40, shot in the neck
Was that 13 year old girl armed?
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MAOMI777 4 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe Actually Bloody Sunday caused a lot of support for the IRA.
suppernoddypo2k7 5 months ago
Ok so, obviously just enjoying the music doesn't exist anymore on YouTube. You're all acting like a bunch of fucking 12-year-olds no matter how old you are or claim to be. Just enjoy the damn song, or leave if you don't like it.
Chuckelz97 5 months ago
@Chuckelz97 I love this song,the sound of it,one of the few songs where Yoko's singing actually works! it sounds like B-52s/new wave.
thenowuk 4 months ago
@Chuckelz97 you just added to the problem by saying that.
TheGaeilgeoir 3 months ago
@TheGaeilgeoir I don't see how I did, but if that's what you think, then ok.
Chuckelz97 3 months ago
"Yoko" makes every song sound like a hippie-musical .-)
fortheloveoftunes 5 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe So good your account has been banned or removed
PacoPateros 5 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe You are a pathetic excuse for a human being.
ThatKrypton 5 months ago
Ourselves alone !
Alland44 5 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe None of them were armed you stupid fool. Half the people killed were only 17 for fuck sakes.. And the brits NEVER played fair.. Croke Park is my example.. the brits rolled onto the pitch and just randomly fired at men women and kids, and they killed alot of people.
Learn your shit.
NHLHockeyfreak 6 months ago
OMG! yoko's voice ruined the song!
igotMUSICwithme 6 months ago
Though not intended those female vocals are haunting in a way that captures the horror of Bloody Sunday.
Also. That Sax.
jpksocrates 6 months ago
we miss you john you were a fine irishman and a great new yorker !
Boeffiss 6 months ago
tiocfaidh ar la !!!!!!!!
Boeffiss 6 months ago
Tune!
madcap3 6 months ago
look up Gary Og sunday bloody sunday.
Weasel1282 6 months ago
@subg88.i could not have put it better myself
despuis 6 months ago
Great song that everyone, except for troglodyte Loyalists occupying an innocent people's land, can identify with.
Hammer332 6 months ago
This is Lennon's top track if you were to ask me... and Bono couldn't carry Lennon's jock strap while we're at it.
To some up Lennon vs. Bono on Bloody Sunday:
Lennon: How dare you dirty bastards?!?
Bono: Gee whiz, can't we just get along?
subg88 6 months ago
@subg88 So, you hate Bono because he didn't curse? They both send the same message. And by the way, Bono never said "Gee whiz, can't we just get along?". I think the case probably is you're a communist because of Lennon, and Bono is not, therefore Bono is scum and must die. I mean, it's not like Bono is so famous for charity work that he was knighted by the Queen and all Lennon did was make music, right?
Rangerhalt1 5 months ago
@Rangerhalt1 knighted by the queen? what is this the 13th century....when is the tithe of wheat in my lord I have fallen behind :(
3tangle3 4 months ago
Yoko is destroying this song, she can't sing, just scream ! :(
MUFCtheReiligion 7 months ago 12
@MUFCtheReiligion She's actually quite good in this one. It's the others when: Just no.
KungfuCow5 1 month ago
@MUFCtheReiligion .. so its not your favourite song , get over it .. no need target Yoko . John liked it ..maybe you just don't like every thing he recorded ..
Zebidee59 4 weeks ago
@MrAndrewAbe im assuming you have no friends?
MrPartyBhoy 7 months ago
And after all this time the Brits are still occupying the Six Counties and letting their loyalist tools attack innocent people. It's disgusting.
borbo23 7 months ago
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JL A true irish patriot with a lota guts good on you John
despuis 7 months ago
JL A true iris patriot with a lota guts good on you John
despuis 7 months ago 8
What a pile of shit. If this wasn't John lennon, they would be laughed out of the studio.
becalmned 7 months ago
@0101100101100 Well well, we have quite the poisoned minded, racist little bigot here don't we? Oh by the way, have you checked the latest demographics of the English population? Don't think we need to consider running just yet!!
tomd2103 7 months ago
What a great intro!!!!
DavidGigg 8 months ago 2
Por este tema Lennon fué calificado de traidor en inglaterra, y el disco borrado de las listas y prohibido por la BBC.¿Total, por decir la verdad? No hay apología del ira ni nada, solo narra unos hechos reales. A mi me gusta el tema a pesar de YOKO. Cierto biografo dijo, que para él, Lennon fué el hombre que escribió "The luck of the irish" de tematica similar, y en el mismo doble lp, muy dificil de hallar: Sometimes in New York city. CENSURA
karlitos993 8 months ago
yoko ruins the song
dewan05 8 months ago
@dewan05 what else is new?
reg5381 5 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe Thats sick man...
gisty84 8 months ago
yo give peace a chance guys !
dansdad2 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe You're right, I forgot. The Irish can't hate, gingers have no souls xP If you find death funny I'd love to see your parents' funerals. You would LOL so hard and so would I xD So if you're not going to stick up or your country and those unarmed civilians who were killed by the British troops, I will. I'm more Irish than you'll ever be, piss off, if you want this conversation to end, end it: don't reply.
Ralex004 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe Then live as a traitor to your country, please, don't let me interfere with your self-hatred.
Ralex004 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe next time you adress me make sure you're sober. i'm on your side you fucking wanker, god, learn whos the idiot before you open your mouth u retarded gobshite.
Ralex004 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe well they did. revise your history you bloody idiot.
Ralex004 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe no, they weren't. hence the bloody in bloody sunday.
Ralex004 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe the IRA doesn't play fair, but neither did britain on bloody sunday. dont argue, im british too.
Ralex004 8 months ago
@MrAndrewAbe why???
baconguy23 8 months ago
Note yur comment.....Martin Luther was the man.....but henry viii was only worried about his own position.....he looked for a way out & got it....protestantism....Blessed Mary isn't seen as an icon in the Catholic faith ...She is the Immaculate Conception......She is seen as an icon in the Protestant faith alright, created by Martin Luther because he wanted to interpret the bible differently.....same way as the Koran is....you can look at it from all angles but we both are Christian ...
arontcba 9 months ago
@arontcba Yeah I'm not going to defend Henry VIII..the guy was deeply unpleasant.lol He was however originally opposed to Luther, he wrote a Catholic pamphlet defending Rome, and the Pope awarded him with the title 'defender of the faith'. His head got big and he decided why bother with the pope at all. The CofEngland is really just Catholicism without a pope. problem is more predominate in Northern Ireland is Scotch Prebyterianism/Calvinism, which is a creed 100% opposed to Roman Catholicism.
jacksbacksucker 9 months ago
Very true I think ...protestants (protesters) were created for Henry v111 benefit ...the prick didn't like his wife so killed her cause he couldn't divorce her and so on for his other poor wives ...So now the head of the protesters church is the queen ...Peter created the Catholic church on instruction from The Christ .... Who will you be praying to on your death bed !!!!
arontcba 9 months ago
@arontcba The Church of England was largely created due to Henry VIII's marital problems, but is the most Catholic of all supposedly 'Protstant' churches. Protestantism started in Germany as a 'protest' to the many abuses of faith by the Catholic church, i.e the ridiculus sale of 'indulgences', the extravagance and luxury the pope and his bishops live in, totally contrary to that of Jesus and his disciples themselves. The 'idol' worship of 'Virgin Mary' which is contrary to bible, etc.
jacksbacksucker 9 months ago
Lennon was an Irishman. He understood the significance of this terrible day.
citizeno 9 months ago 2
@citizeno Lennon was an Englishman, with irish ancestry. To be honest anyone who can't see the wrong with soldiers shooting down unarmed protesters has to have something wrong with them, you don't need to have a bias. Beyond that the I.R.A contact Lennon had in New York admitted Lennon had a confused and poor understanding of the people and politics of Northern Ireland. Ironically enough he was decended from Protestants. His uncle in Liverpool was in the Orange Order & signed the 1912 Covenent.
jacksbacksucker 9 months ago
@jacksbacksucker and before I get pulled up on it he also had Catholic ancestry. But the point being he, his parents and all his grandparents were born in England. Murder of unarmed protesters is abhorant to any right thinking human being..which Lennon was, his distant, mixed, Irish ancestry is besides the point to that.
jacksbacksucker 9 months ago
@jacksbacksucker honestly I am from NY and i dont see why the postings have so much reference to whether a person is catholic or protestant??? i think personally its a damn shame when any country also adds to division by religion. first off; Roman Catholicism is from Rome and no other and Protestants are a descendant of Catholicism so it all the same really. I happened to have been raised Catholic and then indeed was Protestant and dislike both because division it does; enlighten, it does not
kahetel13 9 months ago
@kahetel13 You have to understand the history. The plantation of Ireland by the British was done specifically to wipe out Catholicism. This was at a time when the pope had excomunicated the English monarch and put a bounty on her. The Catholic nations of Spain, Germany and France were all lining up against England, and using Ireland as a springboard for invasion. The legacy of this is in N.Ireland the ethnic divisions were created along religious lines.
jacksbacksucker 9 months ago
@citizeno And still it goes on.
Surely people are people, whatever colour, religion EVEN football team (attempt at humour) my goodness, why are we still argueing afterall this time???
There are so many real problems in this world, people starving, does the I rish issue reallly mean more than the problems eleswhere ????
Think about it !!!!
ziggy95 9 months ago
Lennon would been the first gangsta.
laloworld 10 months ago
lennon knew where at and this song can't get better then john lennon's way. u2 version sucked
skypilottls 10 months ago
Whether you agree with Lennon's politics or not, he captured the mood of 1972, for sure. It's also one of the few songs with Yoko's voice that I actually like.
smithrs 10 months ago 12
@smithrs
Have you heard her song 'Death of Samantha'?
zizizzi 10 months ago
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@smithrs
Have you heard her song 'The Death of Samantha'?
zizizzi 10 months ago
@smithrs, you've got to be kidding! I was going to comment that the song was okay, but Yoko absolutely ruins it. Its so sad that he was married to her and couldn't tell her, "No, honey, I don't want you singing along on my songs because you can't sing and you have no talent. I love you, but that's the way it is."Its absolutely giving me a migrane listening to her screeching Sunday, Bloody Sunday, Bloody Sunday, today, aaaaaahhh!! OMG!!! Sorry, my opinion, I know you like it and that's cool.
ProudKansan08 8 months ago
this is a fucking disgrace. 14 people died and hes tane this tribute and fuckin ruined the fore eyed fuckin arsehole the beatles were fuckin dyer.
connarwilsonsnp 11 months ago
@connarwilsonsnp this is the original, he wrote it
3tangle3 11 months ago 9
@connarwilsonsnp ahaahaa what a fucking retard you are son
murray1234567891011 10 months ago
@connarwilsonsnp This is the original, get your head out of your ass.
Finbel 9 months ago
this is a fucking disgrace. 14 people died and hes tane this tribute and fuckin ruined the fore eyed fuckin arsehole the beatles were fuckin dyer. scouse tit
connarwilsonsnp 11 months ago
@connarwilsonsnp john lennon wrote the song.....any other versions you heard are covers of this LOL irony
3tangle3 11 months ago
This is a great song,never heard it before. Anybody that comparise this to U2 knows nothing about music or anything that ever happened in Ireland. Two completly different songs
wolf0914 11 months ago
...actually U2 didn't grow up in the troublers, they were in Dublin where there was actually no trouble...Think about your comments, mate. The troubles were in Belfast, etc and not down south. U2 are hardly representative of the Illumanati Freemason Irish Republican (Brotherhood) Presbeterian Orange lodge men "controlled" Nothern Irish people of which I am from...Sorry to be provocitive...Just trying to get a fact across...See Michael Tsarion...
afterdavit 11 months ago
Shitty English Imperialism killed people every where
Maxsarkar 11 months ago
@3tangle3 - I don't doubt that you are right. I was only pointing out that the Celts are not the original inhabitants of the island - something that is easily forgotten when discussing Irish history.
It would be intersting to know what the pre-Celtic peoples of the island thought about being colonised "peacefully" too.
TerrySleeper 11 months ago
The "Anglo pigs & Scotties" may have "colonised the North" - but so did the Celts (circa 400 BC), and the "Scots" are an Irish tribe anyway, who migrated to "Scot-land" (inhabited until then by Picts) during the European Dark Ages.
As ever, history gets mangled when discussing Ireland - history is a weapon, a club with which to clobber one's political opponents.
TerrySleeper 11 months ago
@TerrySleeper but the celtic colonising was believed to be far more peaceful, as the majority of our genetics descends from the iberian pre celtic settlers, indicating a cultural transfer according to my post grad research
3tangle3 11 months ago
@3tangle3 That's equally true in England, all the people in bothe isles primarily have pre celtic AND pre Germanic genes. So by that logic the English (and the notoriously peace loving Vikings) were tree hugging hippies too, who came ovepurely r to chill out with the natives for some mutual good times. If the Celts were so peaceful why did the great great Roman conqueres of half Europe and Asia build a great big fecking wall when they got to Scotland, and never dare touch Ireand at all?
jacksbacksucker 11 months ago
@jacksbacksucker seriously do your own history resaearch, I am just as clued up as thenext history man......the romans never made it to ireland lets put it that way bud
3tangle3 11 months ago
@3tangle3 Exactly. That's my point. They didn't touch Ireland or Scotland. Why you think the warriors who conquered everywhere else from Isreal to Spain did that then eh?.....If the Celts were these peaceloving beatnicks, they'd have torn that land right under them. Hadrian Built a wall to keep them out? Read Tacitus..They were head hunters...the Romans were shit scared of them and didn't want anything to do with them. These Celts originally conquered Ireland with and by force, without doubt.
jacksbacksucker 11 months ago
@jacksbacksucker Then the Vikings did, then the Normans did, then the English &Scots.....Irelands a mix match of different people all invaders, all staking claiming the land by force. Ditto history of every other European country...nothing special there.
jacksbacksucker 11 months ago
@jacksbacksucker well the saxons and normans were just as ruthless if not worse...also romans were pretty barbaric....dont believe all what the romans write...it is biased propaganda for the folks back in rome to support them..............celts were more progressive than the romans
3tangle3 11 months ago
@3tangle3 I'm not saying there was nothing worthy about Celtic culture, true, but they were brutal and war like, as were the saxons, and yes Romans too, accepted. The people of Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales, are a mix of all these peoples, Celts, Saxons, Vikings, Romans, and as you rightly pointed out in the most the Iron age tribes that preceeded all these 'conquerers'.
jacksbacksucker 11 months ago
@jacksbacksucker we may never know hoe peaceful or warlike the first pre celtici iberian settlers were.....but you can still see traces of them todays in many black and ginger haired underlings like my bro :P
3tangle3 11 months ago
Lennon, U2, Wolfe Tones...Doesn't matter who sings it or how. The point is, it is a very important song and really rather amazing that it has spanned a few generations and educated people, no??
redcosgrove 11 months ago
thank god for mark chapman,
garethella 11 months ago
@garethella uncalled for... prick!
PoweredByGreen 11 months ago
@garethella Are you serious... A life snuffed out so pointlessly?
tonyharwood 11 months ago
One of the very few songs where Yoko's voice works-sounds like punk/new wave/B-52s etc...............much prefer this to U2,Bono is such a Lennon wannabe in everything he does but doesn't have the balls to really put his neck on the block like Lennon did.
thenowuk 11 months ago
@thenowuk I hear you,he didn't want to upset America and england;then he can;t collect the awards he receives.Like the knight shite jonn sent back. [you know those fuckers didn't' want an Irishmen receiving it ]
kelticlash 11 months ago
30 January 1972... 39 years ago today
FightForEire 1 year ago
There has been numerous attempts to turn the British ruling class and the Irish working class. Once the 1st international pointed that out many British trade unions showed solidarity to and often joined in the protests supporting the fenian movement.
Frasssaanarchy 1 year ago
I may have felt the same when young, but now I'm older, exactly same age in fact lennon was when he wrote this, I wouldn't, because it just perpetuates the cycle of violence and make things ten times worse. 25 years of troubles living proof of that. What does violence solve? To be fair Lennon himself later totally distanced himself from type of statements here, for much same reason. He was genuinly a pacifist, just temporarily got led astray by stonger charachters around him, yoko said this.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
You Anglo-PIGS. C'mon 'Pigs'! Listen to the language he was using Monogirl. That was what I object to, not necceasrily any of the nationalist sentiment. This song isn't Lennon speaking, it's the New York Republicans around him then. He was a peacful man at heart, and this song is just miguided and ugly. As someone with Ulster Catholics, and Ulster protestants in his immediate family history, couldn't he instead have made an appeal for peace and understanding, rather than stoke fires further?
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
I agree with you about the unionist ideology though. My own irish blood links are 100% Catholic from Leitrim and Cork. But I'm London born and bred. Personally I don't have a strong opinion on whether Northern Ireland stays in Britian or goes to the Republic, I do care genuinly about people, of whatever nationality, getting hurt and killed because of it. Really who cares what's stamped on anyones passport? As long as we have peace?
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
john was no bigot. he was writing passionately in the wake of a seminal moment when the BA had carried out "the LAST thing such a tense and volitile situation needed". asking people who think they're in britain to repatriate (NI isn't in britain, it was simply colonised & then created by her) doesn't, in my opinion, come from a place of intolerance. he is infact asking irish people of all factions to unite. maybe like me he views the unionist community as as irish as the rest of us.
monogirl3 1 year ago
and religious bigotry??? have to call you out on that as i'm sure you know (you seem intelligent) that the conflict had nothing quantifiable to do with religion & it's not referred to once in the song apart from 'not for london or for rome'. to criticise a groups politics is not to criticise their religious affiliations! rightly or wrongly catholic & protestant in general here merely refer to a persons percieved nationality & politics.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 And o.k granted Lennon isn't personally responsible for the fact nationalism, colonialism and religion have become so entangled in everything there. I take that back. 'But Ireland for the Irish'? Well...'Imagine no countries' hardly squares with that? I just prefer the days John Lennon was in a one world, peaceful mood, but hey that's me. Intelligent? Naive more like. I accept youre from Ireland so probably have a better grip of the situation there than me..or John Lennon!
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
when it comes to NI in the late 60s/early 70s it was hard to be on the fence. appeal for peace & understanding when you had a partisan police force smashing up homes & smashing up heads? unfathomable depths of deprivation? torture & repression from the army presence? half a century of built-up neglect from britain, one party rule & persecution? most catholics didn't have a vote or a job. thousands of children were homeless in derry...
monogirl3 1 year ago
14 civilians then murdered whilst protesting against internment ie. the targeting of their community which only served to increase recruitment into paramilitaries. people (& evidently john) were ANGRY. i'm a lover of humanity but quite frankly i wouldve had petrolbombs in both hands which may or may not be more controversial than this song!
monogirl3 1 year ago 2
in actuality i probably wouldn't have... but it was a bad situation and there was an inevitable descent into violence after the army arrived.
the question is can peace ever exist when there is injustice, especially injustice that's backed by force? i don't think it can.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 I agree that is the key, a just Northern Ireland/Ulster, where ALL the people are treated with equal rights and respect is the only answer and always has been. Injustice and inequality is the real root cause of the trouble. Whether that happens with the people being part of the Republic, the United Kingdom, or independant of either entity, is a side issue anyway. It does seem to be moving that way at last, but then that's just my view from across the water.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker you're right. i'm of the opinion that the 400 year old social, economic & religious division between the two communities in this part of ireland was always calculated though - divide and rule. these divisions served the interests of the rich & powerful. where there's inequality there's hatred and polarisation, & when you have a statelet founded on a headcount to keep one 'side' in charge indefinitely it will live with that legacy.. & it did.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 Out of interest how are things there these days, do the two communities mix more? I assume you're from Ulster? I'f I'm being too nosy tell me to buzz off...
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
dont take this song wrongly thats to both sides of the norths conflict lennon is promoting peace by giving the north to the republic not encouraging attacking to either side peaceful protests are the only effective method killing will have you prosecuted in hell
Dman31619 1 year ago
@Dman31619 Lennons own family were Ulster Portestants. His uncle signed the Ulster Covenent in 1912. Yet ehre he tells 'Anglo Pigs and Scotties..repatriate to Britian'? Yeah sounds peaceful. I love Lennon but the dude could be hypocritical in the extreme, and if you read Ray Colemans biography he openly stated that he later regretted the album this was part of, and getting involved in politics. He was basically like an excited kid when he hit New York, and for the first year or so got led astray
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
how was he hypocritical? just because you have family with certain politics doesn't mean you must have them. i have protestants in my family too, doesn't change a thing. it's not the descendants of those settled here centuries ago that my opposition lies with, it's the unionist ideology that developed through the manipulation of this community. john was anti-imperialist. maybe at times he was torn between his striving for peace & the violence of rebellion but that's entirely understandable
monogirl3 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker and i would add that agreeing with the goals doesn't mean you nessesarily agree with the means in which someone attempts to achieve said goals. this is of course in relation to the provisionals. personally, if i'd been alive at the time, i would have descended pretty quickly from supporting them to renouncing them too.
monogirl3 1 year ago
@monogirl3 I think i does make someone, anyone, a hypocritre singing "imagine no countries, nothing to kill or die for", then 9 months later writing a hate filled ditty demonising an entire community, one he happened todecend from, absolutly the last thing such a tense and volatile situation needed. It was basicly dangerous shit stirring. Sectarianism, religious bigotry & overt racism is bullshit whoever it's aimed at, and whoever it comes from, including the great John Lennon.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
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An irishman gave me a beating?? BAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA shitty little irish men cant beat shit, there a bunch off fags & u can take that to the bank if u had any banks 2 speak of! what a bunch of fucking fools u filty irish really are! GOD bless Poland & the beautiful Polish people!
WOLFGANGER666 1 year ago
Great tune. It's a damn shame (I am a born '84) but what a damn shame, the best beatle (not going to start a debate) dead at a young 40. RIP John, wish you were around here now. Stop the bloody shit in the middle east. = C in america.
clinton984 1 year ago
Thanks John for your protest, you are not with us anymore but your spirit inspires us to fight against imperialism...
Maxsarkar 1 year ago
I am a HUGE beatles fan (so I like them as solo artists too), but I think I like u2's song better. (don't get me wrong though. You're probably thinking about hating on me for liking u2 over Lennon and say something like u2 sucks balls or something
Sketcheroo1 1 year ago
@Sketcheroo1 bono is cunt
simpleearthling 1 year ago
@kilomeister I was going to bother replying to that inane display of your inate lack of wit, breeding or basic intelligence, but it's all been said already on your comments i.e ... "You, pal, are a REAL wanker." I suggest you take heed of that great mans comments and Come back when your braincell has found a mate. In fact don't bother. I might be a 'boy' youre a fucking twat.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker listen "boy". you're complete lack of intelligence , grammar and punctuation are embarrassing. it must reflect well on your parents and teachers if you can be so cocky and boastful. your obviously ignorant of criticism. "i was going to". mans, Come and braincell are all wrong. a big dunce cap for you son. don't throw a tantrum. mummy will buy you a big lollipop.
kilomeister 1 year ago
@kilomeister lol. Take the medication. No seriously mate do.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
WHY couldn't YOKO be the one who got shot!
dkmo 1 year ago
yoko cant sing
MenAdventures 1 year ago
Sorry to be apparantly slagging him of, as I say i genuinly love the guy and his work, but he should have been a bit more cautious before jumping in so one sided in a 400 yr old conflict. Alot of the problems in Eire & GB, are the same today, generally people get on well, and want peace, but it's the extremist, and idiots from abroad, the states etc, with no idea of what the situation is, but think it is their business interferring, spitting hate and prolonging sufferings they don't share in.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker John lennon was a genius the greatest musician of all time dont sit high and mighty and judge him wether lennon was english or not has no relevance the irish were the underdogs pitted up against the british empire one of the biggest armys in the world and what did ireland have a few paramilitary orginasations we were bullied for 800 years and lennon didnt think that was right and fair play that he had the balls to stand up to the british government as an englishmen and say that
MrWeedsmoker345 1 year ago
@MrWeedsmoker345 This is just it, I don't think it is up to John Lennon, or myself, as Anglo Irishmen to sit high and mighty judging the people of the Island of Ireland, and the politics, or any other foreigners. The people of Ireland are smart and grown up enough to deal with their own affairs without ill informed foreigners meddling in. The 'British Empire' by the way cannot have opressed anyone for 800 years. It's only existed for at best 300. The people who invaded and assfucked the Irish..
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
..were the Normans, French Vikings, who were at same time opressing the English, Welsh and Scots too. In fact far more 'English' lost their lands to these people after our invasion event 1066, then Irish did in the subsequent invasion of Ireland. They are the lineal ancestors of the 'landed' classes who were, andare still largely welding the rod over the people of BOTH our Islands, and laugh at us whilst we spout bullshit nationalism + petty hatred at eachother!
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker And to be fair, Lennon himself later refused to do a charity concert for the republican community in Belfast, unless he could do one for the protestants too. This was two years after writing this. He also distanced himself from the IRA once they launched their terrorist campagin on mainland England same time 74. He had clearly moved on in his own understanding since' you anglo pigs and scotties, repatriate to britian', ...
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker speak english boy. decipher your incoherent rant.
kilomeister 1 year ago
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jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker John lennon was a genius the greatest musician of all time dont sit high and mighty and judge him wether lennon was english or not has no relevance the irish were the underdogs pitted up against the british empire one of the biggest armys in the world and what did ireland have a few paramilitary orginasations we were bullied for 800 years and lennon didnt think that was right and fair play that he had the balls to stand up to the british government as an englishmen and say that
MrWeedsmoker345 1 year ago
What about what Ghandi achieved non violently? Considering he wrote this just a year after the beautiful 'Imagine' it is shocking how ugly some of the language here is " You Anglo PIGS and Scotties sent to colonise the north" etc. He was an Englishman himself raised by a much loved English auntie, who held some pretty anti Irish views! Sorry, I loved the dude, but I think deep down at heart he was a very insecure and confused individual, good intentioned, but at times deeply naive too.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker JL believed in non violence. But he never was the man that would suggest "to turn the other cheek" . He believed that is good to demonstrate your opinions peacefully but to defend yourself when someone violates your rights . In this song he is really cruel to his compatriots but how couldn' t he be so? While he was protesting against Americans for the Vietnam war, his compatriots were making other people suffer. He had to be cruel just to show that his beliefs are objective....
greekLAR 1 year ago
@greekLAR Obviously people were upset, the massacre was still raw when this was written. But Lennon, like myself is/was English born to irish catholics . He therefore was in a unique position to present a blanced view, and plead for peace and understandinf on both sides. Demonising the English, Protestants, Catholics, anyone was just bound to stoke the flames further. Too many have died in the NI conflict. John was not Irish & had a relatively simplistic and clumsy grip of the politics.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
I like to remember Lennon by 'Imagine' instead. To answer my own question, if he were still around, regret this or not, who knows, but I like to think he'd be using his talents toward promoting a lasting peace for ALL the people of the Island of Ireland, whatever nationality, tribe or religion. Remember, he was let down andabandoned by his feckless Irish father as a child, and an adult, and I think this explains why he went a bit overtop in embracing his 'irish' roots .
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker Lennon changed during the years and in my opinion he changed for good. Lennon of mid 70s' didn't have the hippy mind of the 60s'. He learned through years of protesting that "flower power" and the non violence crap is a gift for the establishment. Being a man of peace means that u hate deeply everything that causes war and conflicts. Thats why we see so much difference between "revolution" lyrics and "power to the people" lyrics...
greekLAR 1 year ago
greekLAR 1 year ago
John was a confused individual. He was famously an internationalist, who didn't believe in borders and division, yet here he sings a song containing rampant nationalism. He was famously a pacifist, but here, however legitimate it iwas to condemn the Bloody Sunday Massacre, he blatantly stokes the fires of sectarianism and violence. There is nothing concilitory in this track. I wonder what his thoughts would be today, if still around. Would he regret this period of his work?
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
@jacksbacksucker shut up prick
shortstrandceltic 1 year ago
@shortstrandceltic Good reply. Well done.
jacksbacksucker 1 year ago
First time ive heard this, feck its catchy!!!
tonebob3210 1 year ago
love to you TheVamborules dig it
dansdad2 1 year ago
They take working class kids ( economic subscription ) , brutalise them ( training/ wash their brains?) and then set them loose. A curse on the Para's and their Whitehall Masters. Our Day Will Come
poneil69 1 year ago
U2 ripped off title and spirit - and Bono is an establishment pig
filmerado 1 year ago
i always rebember of U2. Yes, the same name?
bananda13 1 year ago
...I think a lot of people are remarking about how better or worse this song is than U2's. However, this is missing the whole point of the song, but then we are entertrained to think like this, aren't we...it's a political song, and that he put his neck on the block to do so is very credible to John and indeed Yoko...U2 were from the South of Ireland, and were seen as "cun*s" by local Irish punk bands that really knew what was what in N Ireland...They did it to jump-start their carreer...
afterdavit 1 year ago 6
@afterdavit punk bands consider everyone cunt
uzickimajmunac 1 year ago
@afterdavit err no U2 were from Dublin and had more of a right to sing this song seeing as they grew up witnessing the events. I love John Lennon - greatest British musician of them all but this song by him is not needed seeing and is a depiction of a man who's pretentiousness went overboard during this stage of his career. U2s Sunday Bloody Sunday will always hold greater meaning and substance and I'm thrilled music history recognises that unlike sad Lennon obsessives like yourself.
MrRascasseman 1 year ago