And from this it is possible to deduce what a great difference there is between necessity and coercion. For we do not say that man is dragged unwillingly into sinning, but that because his will is corrupt he is held captive under the yoke of sin and therefore of necessity will in an evil way. For where there is bondage, there is necessity. But it makes a great difference whether the bondage is voluntary or coerced. (continued in part 3)...
"...we allow that man has choice and that it is self-determined, so that if he does anything evil, it should be imputed to him and to his own voluntary choosing. We do away with coercion and force, because this contradicts the nature of the will and cannot coexist with it. We deny that choice is free, because through man's innate wickedness it is of necessity driven to what is evil and cannot seek anything but evil. (continued in part 2)...
Another argument founded upon semantic grey matter!! Why do so many people have such difficulty knowing what the terms they use mean? And,then they make a big stink about you not liking they way they used it? So,what does 'free will' mean?
Can anyone answering ever 'freely will' themselves never to eat or sleep again?Can you will NOT to die?Can you,all by your 'free will' that is finitely dying,resurrect yourself from the dead?
Answer intelligently-then you will know the meaning of 'free will'.
@Afrikitty tell Monty to come here and make his own comments, he is not blocked! I have been kind enough to allow you to comment on my videos but I take offense with your lie that we "think that our salvation is conditioned on our good works". I agree with Clark and teach that Christ ALONE met all conditions for salvation, and it is a lie to say otherwise.
I don't even know who Shelton is so don't lump him with me.
@1689Baptist And BogRoach55 took the bait so easily, Jeff, crying like a baby, as usual. Such a predictible response. *sigh*
I am quite capable of writing my own comments. However, Monty does teach me, so if I sound a bit like him, it must rub off. It was just a friendly warning about Shelton.
Now Jeff, I don't believe you don't know Drake Shelton. He and Monty had quite a ding-dong on your channel a while before it was taken down. I can't believe you never saw it, because it went on for days.
@1689Baptist 1689 Baptist you are referring to meritorious conditions. I agree that christ meets all meritorious conditions to salvation and his work is the sole meritorious cause of salvation, but man must perform the condition of application:faith.
@1689Baptist Amen. They are guilty of doing just as jacksmack77, wolfe, apollos, and fractalfires do, misrepresenting the faith of true believers. They, Afrikitty and RedBeetle are no different. They all embrace antinomianism (deny it or not, their comments expose their hearts).
@Afrikitty ". Like Blogrich55 and 1689Baptist, Shelton thinks that our salvation is conditioned on our good works."
Keep repeating your LIES AfreakyKitty. It is ALL you and Marty have. Maybe if you repeat your nonsensical propaganda enough, you will even convince yourself they are true. We all know who the father of lies is, don't we Lizzy? So go drool over your picture of Monty some more and quit wasting our time.
@Afrikitty believing that a saved man will demonstrate good works is not the same as saying you are saved BY WORKS,,,why is it that Arminians cannot understand this,,,Im really tired of this Lordship salvation charge and Im really tired of this B.S. of misrepresenting the Calvinist position,,,you're saved by grace thru faith but once you're saved you become a new man who demonstrates certain characteristics,,,you can determine whether you're saved by examining yourself
@Afrikitty btw my comment was based on number 6,,,I hear this all the time that Calvinists believe people are saved by works,,,no one believes that,,,,but a saved man will bear some kind of fruit eventually or hes not saved,,,i mean you dont remain in your sin forever after youre saved that is impossible
Are we to equate the Constituton with the word of God?
Are we to say men like Benjamin Franklin speek for God?
here is a quote from Benjamin (the deist)
"The Infinite Father expects or requires no worship or praise from us."
@Fraktilfires,--As a believer I belong to a KINGDOM ruled by a KING and I am a sojourner in a Country that depends on the power of the people rather then the power of God.
You have confused God's word and man's word as being equivialent
The entire view of humanity in the American system is the superiority of the individual human will and its inherent inclination and desire to seek the truth. This is the exact opposite of what Calvinism teaches. That is why historic calvinistic countries believed in the establishment principle.
1689 Baptist, I agree you make some valid points here but the premise that Calvinism is Unamerican is very much true. I wrote an article on my website Uncreated Light titled: Was the American View of Separation of Church and State Influenced by The Calvinist View of Human Nature?
"Where learned they those immortal principles of the rights of man, of human liberty, equality and self-government, on which they based their Republic, and which form today the distinctive glory of our American civilization? In the school of [John] Calvin they learned them." - E.W. Smith
Wow. BLASPHEMER. You cannot have a FREE AND JUST SOCIETY without FAITH IN GOD. God talks about our freedom under God. Not free will in a secular humanist society. I CANNOT STAND THIS APOSTATE REPROBATE BLASPHEMER OF THE HOLY GHOST. MAY GOD RELEASE TO HIM, "Anathema Maranatha". I mean it. God bless.
Many of the early Calvinists and some today including myself affirm the US Constitution.
fredrockt47 1 month ago
Part 3:
We locate the necessity to sin precisely in corruption of the will, from which follows that it is self-determined."
- John Calvin, The Bondage and Liberation of the Will, pg. 69-70.
Keruaran 1 month ago
Part 2:
And from this it is possible to deduce what a great difference there is between necessity and coercion. For we do not say that man is dragged unwillingly into sinning, but that because his will is corrupt he is held captive under the yoke of sin and therefore of necessity will in an evil way. For where there is bondage, there is necessity. But it makes a great difference whether the bondage is voluntary or coerced. (continued in part 3)...
Keruaran 1 month ago
Part 1:
"...we allow that man has choice and that it is self-determined, so that if he does anything evil, it should be imputed to him and to his own voluntary choosing. We do away with coercion and force, because this contradicts the nature of the will and cannot coexist with it. We deny that choice is free, because through man's innate wickedness it is of necessity driven to what is evil and cannot seek anything but evil. (continued in part 2)...
Keruaran 1 month ago
Another argument founded upon semantic grey matter!! Why do so many people have such difficulty knowing what the terms they use mean? And,then they make a big stink about you not liking they way they used it? So,what does 'free will' mean?
Can anyone answering ever 'freely will' themselves never to eat or sleep again?Can you will NOT to die?Can you,all by your 'free will' that is finitely dying,resurrect yourself from the dead?
Answer intelligently-then you will know the meaning of 'free will'.
RefutingSkellyism 2 months ago
@Blogrich55 Wow. Are you and Liz STILL going at it??? LOL
trident343lives 3 months ago
1. Drake Shelton is not a Calvinist!
2. Drake Shelton is not a Clarkian!
3. Drake Shelton was kicked off the Clark Discussion Group on Facrbook for teaching Justification by faith plus works.
4. Drake Shelton teaches Free Will plus Common Grace.
5 His goal is to look Calvinistic, while leading people to Greek Orthodoxy!
6. Like Blogrich55 and 1689Baptist, Shelton thinks that our salvation is conditioned on our good works.
7. Clark teaches, Christ ALONE met all conditions for salvation.
Afrikitty 4 months ago
@Afrikitty tell Monty to come here and make his own comments, he is not blocked! I have been kind enough to allow you to comment on my videos but I take offense with your lie that we "think that our salvation is conditioned on our good works". I agree with Clark and teach that Christ ALONE met all conditions for salvation, and it is a lie to say otherwise.
I don't even know who Shelton is so don't lump him with me.
1689Baptist 3 months ago
@1689Baptist And BogRoach55 took the bait so easily, Jeff, crying like a baby, as usual. Such a predictible response. *sigh*
I am quite capable of writing my own comments. However, Monty does teach me, so if I sound a bit like him, it must rub off. It was just a friendly warning about Shelton.
Now Jeff, I don't believe you don't know Drake Shelton. He and Monty had quite a ding-dong on your channel a while before it was taken down. I can't believe you never saw it, because it went on for days.
Afrikitty 3 months ago
@1689Baptist 1689 Baptist you are referring to meritorious conditions. I agree that christ meets all meritorious conditions to salvation and his work is the sole meritorious cause of salvation, but man must perform the condition of application:faith.
drakeshelton 3 months ago
@1689Baptist Amen. They are guilty of doing just as jacksmack77, wolfe, apollos, and fractalfires do, misrepresenting the faith of true believers. They, Afrikitty and RedBeetle are no different. They all embrace antinomianism (deny it or not, their comments expose their hearts).
ChristianityChannel 3 months ago
@Afrikitty ". Like Blogrich55 and 1689Baptist, Shelton thinks that our salvation is conditioned on our good works."
Keep repeating your LIES AfreakyKitty. It is ALL you and Marty have. Maybe if you repeat your nonsensical propaganda enough, you will even convince yourself they are true. We all know who the father of lies is, don't we Lizzy? So go drool over your picture of Monty some more and quit wasting our time.
Blogrich55 3 months ago
@Afrikitty believing that a saved man will demonstrate good works is not the same as saying you are saved BY WORKS,,,why is it that Arminians cannot understand this,,,Im really tired of this Lordship salvation charge and Im really tired of this B.S. of misrepresenting the Calvinist position,,,you're saved by grace thru faith but once you're saved you become a new man who demonstrates certain characteristics,,,you can determine whether you're saved by examining yourself
FinalCountdown2Jesus 1 month ago
@Afrikitty btw my comment was based on number 6,,,I hear this all the time that Calvinists believe people are saved by works,,,no one believes that,,,,but a saved man will bear some kind of fruit eventually or hes not saved,,,i mean you dont remain in your sin forever after youre saved that is impossible
FinalCountdown2Jesus 1 month ago
Open Challange for @fraktilfires
get yourself a lawyer and take me to court and attempt to have me declaired unAmerican and remove my citizanship.
you will soon find I am just as much an American as Paul was a Roman Citizen.
did Paul believe and support the belief of many gods that the Roman empire believed? or believe Ceasar to be god?
My belief or support of the US goverment does determine if I belong to God or not
you are a coward that hides behind the "block button"
ScottDaMoose 4 months ago
Are we to equate the Constituton with the word of God?
Are we to say men like Benjamin Franklin speek for God?
here is a quote from Benjamin (the deist)
"The Infinite Father expects or requires no worship or praise from us."
@Fraktilfires,--As a believer I belong to a KINGDOM ruled by a KING and I am a sojourner in a Country that depends on the power of the people rather then the power of God.
You have confused God's word and man's word as being equivialent
ScottDaMoose 4 months ago
1) The Constitution is a man made document and not a God's word. Are we to call the Constitution the word of God?
2) The frame work for the Constitution came from the Mayflower Compact (which was writen by Calvinist)
BUT!!!!
3) Not all the the men that were part of writing the Constitution were even "Christian"
example: Benjamin Franlin and Thomas Jefferson walked a thin line between being an Atheist and a Deist.
ScottDaMoose 4 months ago
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ScottDaMoose 4 months ago
The entire view of humanity in the American system is the superiority of the individual human will and its inherent inclination and desire to seek the truth. This is the exact opposite of what Calvinism teaches. That is why historic calvinistic countries believed in the establishment principle.
drakeshelton 4 months ago
1689 Baptist, I agree you make some valid points here but the premise that Calvinism is Unamerican is very much true. I wrote an article on my website Uncreated Light titled: Was the American View of Separation of Church and State Influenced by The Calvinist View of Human Nature?
drakeshelton 4 months ago
"Where learned they those immortal principles of the rights of man, of human liberty, equality and self-government, on which they based their Republic, and which form today the distinctive glory of our American civilization? In the school of [John] Calvin they learned them." - E.W. Smith
theheat151 4 months ago 2
@theheat151 I am putting together a video now that goes along with this comment.
1689Baptist 4 months ago
I love that book from Clark. And yes, the U.S. Constitution was written by Calvinistic men.
theheat151 4 months ago
The title alone caught my attention. LOL
theocratickingdom30 4 months ago
*Really frosts me when an apostate like fractalfires twists what it means to be a Christian nation UNDER GOD. Grrrrr.
graceexplosion 4 months ago
Wow. BLASPHEMER. You cannot have a FREE AND JUST SOCIETY without FAITH IN GOD. God talks about our freedom under God. Not free will in a secular humanist society. I CANNOT STAND THIS APOSTATE REPROBATE BLASPHEMER OF THE HOLY GHOST. MAY GOD RELEASE TO HIM, "Anathema Maranatha". I mean it. God bless.
graceexplosion 4 months ago