It Cost 4 Dollars Per Hour Less To Build A Car In Canada Then Michigan! Why? Rep John Dingell

[lostchasm942]

Democracy schools and Consumer Unions for all of our expenditures.

[soundmoneyfan]

what a stooge, sure this is an argument for universal care, but not the BS they passed

[matsutakneatche]

canadas health care is shit, believe me, i pay out tons of cash each month for a crap system. all the good doctors are working in america. when i owed them 600 dollars they went right into my bank account and stole it. that is a govt healthcare. Socialism sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mahoivlich]

ooh 600 I guess you want a half million trip to an american cancer ward that they will take out of your account

[Corporations8MyBaby]

Congratulations To John Dingell & the memory of his father, a great public servant. Two generations, but the dream is within reach now.

[ScientologyStoners]

Dingell needs to drop you know where already, he has been in office since when Eisenhower was president, 50 years ago.

If this doesn't prove that there needs to be term limits in office, what will.

[Rodney92]

Americans deserve a health care system like the rest of the industrialized world.  American is the only country that doesn't have it.

[FlowerClown]

It should have gone it to Dennis!

[MrKenpon]

In ref to Obama & his ilk:

'Hypocrisy can afford to be magnificent in its promises; for never intending to go beyond promises, it costs nothing.' ~Edmund Burke

Except in Obama's case, his hidden agenda & promise will cost a lot more than many expect.

[mynameisbobtoo]

Doesn't matter what you say in here you LOST.

ha ha.

[MrKenpon]

Not only I, the American working class have also lost.

Can only hope the Senate folks have read it and see it for what it truly is. Probably not, since it's party time in the Socialist camp.

I 'am' for the elimination of pre-existing conditons, which is about the 'only' thing I agree with.

It doesn't take 1,990 pages to stop that.

Wonder if folks will still be ha ha'ing when they find out it isn't a free ride, for most anyway?

[Corporations8MyBaby]

All you have is "hidden agendas" and "Secrets" and "you'll see"... ok... you warned us. Shut up now. or vote for your people. But when things get better and better for us all will you admit your fears didn't come to be? That you were wrong & a balanced approach of public & private was the right way to go all along? We fight for you anyway. You're welcome.

[NwZ2]

he won't because that's the nature of conspiracy theories.

if things work themselves out, there's any NUMBER of rationalizations he can use to feed his cognitive dissonance AND keep hsi crack pot theories intact.

[MrKenpon]

re All you have is "hidden agendas" and "Secrets" and "you'll see"...

humm, putting words out that weren't even written I see.

re Shut up now.

Yup, exactly what the Obamaite camp is attempting to do to those who show some disagreemnt and/or dissent, not so? Remind you of any past history?

You're not fighting for me if you support what the present administration is foisting on America.

Thanks, but no thanks.

BOHICA !

[Corporations8MyBaby]

You're welcome for saving America from Bush and Cheney's destructive acts. I don't mean shut up out on the capitol steps where your folks forget to renew the patriot act... I mean stop lying in the house. just stop lying and asserting "hidden agendas". If you want to debate, pick an actual policy. That's good for America. You making crap up - bad for us all. Still... we serve you too. And you are SO WELCOME.

[Corporations8MyBaby]

To quote you: "Except in Obama's case, his hidden agenda & promise will cost a lot more than many expect. "

[Iliasbn]

big boobs at 0:20

[Melpheos1er]

Lol i though exactly the same thing...

[MooseOfReason]

Note that Mr. Barthold is talking about the Senate bill.

"Sec. 7209 of the Code provides that if there is a willful failure to file, pay, maintain appropriate records and the like that the taxpayer may be charged with a misdemeanor with a penalty of up to $25,000 and not more than one year in jail."

"Felony tax evasion provides for restitution and a fine of up to $100,000 for an individual and up to five years in jail."

-Thomas Barthold, Joint Committee on Taxation

[EmperorKam]

well the whites will pay and the monkeys will enjoy damnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn what a country

[EmperorKam]

health care for the sake of negro

[spanishaustralian]

John Dingell is one clueless fuck

[MrKenpon]

It is my understanding that this monster contains 'Criminal Penalties' (Joint Committee on Taxation letter; ie, Rangel).

If you do not comply with the individual mandate you are subect to 5 years in prison & a $250,000 fine.

It "requires" individuals to buy health ins or pay a penalty, and requires employers to provide coverage or contribute to a fund.

Why is Obama, and cronies, crimalizing people to force them to accept this plan?

Notice Peolosi cking that 'everyone' is clappping?

[armatus99]

i dont know about the penalties, but heres why it would make sense. uninsured people cost all of the population WAY more, in case of emercency. if all are forced into buying some sort of insurance(which is nothing special really) the cost for the goverment (aka your money) declines.

[southparkgtaca]

"It Cost 4 Dollars Per Hour Less To Build A Car In Canada "THAN" Michigan! Why? Rep John Dingell"

Grammar fixed in title. :D

(I'm a douche.... :( )

[greyflcn]

@southparkgtaca

"Per hour, not Per house"

Thanks,

Had no idea what the title meant before your comment.

[southparkgtaca]

Glad I could help. :D

lol

[Rcore270]

HA! no more fine print? i believe it, they'll just make your terms and conditions 5000 pages long

[whoo689]

The thing people seem to forget that is that we've never HAD a free market since the late 1800s, when private-sector voluntary associations that made it easier for millions of Americans to afford healthcare breathed their last breaths. Then gov't and the AMA screwed everything up with absurd mandates and rules. Every decade you'd see a new mandate, and the failures of that one would lead to NEWER mandates, and the vicious cycle continued itself. I mean, was healthcare pre-1900 that bad??

[whoo689]

All the past 'reforms' at fixing healthcare have just increased the size and spending of gov't! How about this time we try freeing the market and ending the distortions? We've let the other side screw up healthcare far too long with excessive mandates and taxes. Let's try a new approach for a change.

After each failed attempt to rein in costs with mroe gov't, why do these jackasses continue the same path? As Einstein said, this is what insanity is!

[whoo689]

I think the model should be pre-1900 healthcare, not Medicare circa 1965. Remember when doctors used to make house calls? Remember when it was possible to actually PAY your own money for routine visits rather than depend on insurance for everything?

Remember when people didn't bitch about having to pay an extra 10% in copay and blamed insurers for "raising costs"? Remember when people realized just how little insurers' profit margins are and didn't label them as 'greedy', like morons?

[whoo689]

A true free market in healthcare where 3rd parties only pay for the most expensive treatments and emergencies, consumers have to save and pay their own way for routine expenses, and consumers are NOT insulated from prices, is the solution. We don't have that.

I mean, is it really prudent to INCREASE 3rd-party payments like insurance at the expense of further disempowering consumers on healthcare prices and costs? Long-term it's a recipe for disaster. I'm sorry, Dingell, but you fail.

[whoo689]

And you better believe that further insuring people will only increase costs by indirectly increasing demand. Lower costs, my ass. The bill might lower the deficit by reducing spending on things like Medicare, but it won't reduce costs that much in terms of the 15% we spend as part of GDP total. This bill is a facade. It's like the failed, unnecessary stimulus.

Have fun with your clusterfuck piece of legislation and cheering yourselves on, Dems. Once again, you dropped the ball.

[greyflcn]

@whoo689

A "true" free market, does, hasn't, and won't ever exist.

So that a rather moot point.

[Melpheos1er]

it could if humanity reaches a sufficient high level of world self awareness...

Hmmm maybe it wont. We might destroy ourselves before we reach this level.

[greyflcn]

re: Melpheos1er

Heh, well what makes you think that "no restrictions, and selfishness for all" is a way for society to survive long?

"Nuclear warheads for everybody!"

But seriously though, Patents alone make a "true" free market unattainable.

Much less things like the fact that a judicial system can't practically serve the same function as regulation against market externalities.

[whoo689]

To combat the preexisting condition problem, I would offer a moderate solution: let everyone buy CATASTRPOPHIC insurance but if they wanna pay for regular healthcare bills, they should get some form of medical savings account. That will put payment back in the hands of consumers. When consumers run the healthcare industry again, in a sense, we will see real competition. Add to that interstate insurance buying and tort reform and many other market solutions, and we can fix it.

[whoo689]

What 'studies' have shown that the Republican bill will increase premiums by $8,000 or that it'll 'increase the deficit' more than this bill? Seriously? Probably left-leaning biased ones. The free market will lower costs much more than just more mandates and gov't regulation of insurers. In fact, TOO MUCH distortion of the market is what has screwed everything up. Back in the day, you could easily afford insurance with things like friendly societies and mutual aid networks.

[whoo689]

A 1990-page bill whose main virtue is a public option will not do much in the long run to fix our system. Much of the rest of the bill is just more mandates and rules on insurers and buying insurance. Besides, do we REALLY need 1,990 pages for reform? I mean, honestly. Can any Democrat justify the bill being THAT big?? Can't we at least halve it and still have reform? That's over 900 pages.

Let's let the market work. We've let gov't regulators 'fix' the system time and again.

[JixMa]

"It Cost 4 Dollars Per Hour Less To Build A Car In Canada Then Michigan! Why? Rep John Dingell"

Um, maybe because they're not like the greedy pigs that American politicians and corporations have become? Just a guess.