I fight in the gym doing Martial Arts. true consensual suffering. You go through phases where for a period of time you're almost overwhelmed with the (undeniable?) fact that you are a true idiot. I mean a genuine fool, without question. At times like these, you go to the gym and get in a fight, and you usually win. It's strange how motivation works, but discipline definately overlaps with joy when you don't stop the practice.
Consensual suffering is not a complex issue. The suffering that Gary is talking about weighing in his ethical equation, is the non consensual suffering that you impose on other sentient life.
@chitchcott Stepping in boxing ring means you are asking for it. The opponent is just fulfilling your wishes. The same thing as going to the dentist, or riding a bike down a hill off-roads. If you are too stupid to understand the risks then it is an accident by stupidity not suffering by violence.
@chitchcott I already answered that. No, they are not truly violent. They are violent in the same way a storm can be said to be violent. It is a rhetorical use of analogy to true violence. It should be quite obvious that the defining feature of something being an act of aggression/violence is it being against the wishes of the victim. So nothing consensual should be called violent at least for the purpose of discussion on ethics.
What about the negative experience of being aware of one self in a bit of rock flying in space? Isn't that what REAL suffering is? No God, no belonguing that soothes, no discernible reason for things to be apart from alleatory aglomerations of matter. That is REAL suffering, not the simple foot ache that (nevertheless and annoyingly) redirects one to the awereness of ones situation in history. Oh, all you heroes (not) that live without a need for belonguing (yes in the religious sense: Religare)
@miguelbinha And you're not heroes because you can't feel the pain of separation. You don't feel it! You annalyse the concepts, brilliantly in my view, but you don't live the ultimate concequences of such reasonings for the justification of man's condition. You dress as a bunny, who knows as a reflux of your subconscious premonition of the possibility of the absurd, you look for the soothing nothingness of meditation. Assume your condition of lackness and cry like a lost boy.
Suffering has to be non-consensual. Really the point of some suffering is that it is about learning. To suffer hunger indicates that eating is a good idea, to suffer teeth pain marks going to the dentist and being better at brushing teeth. Suffering through a personal loss teaches that relationships matter to us etc etc.
The worst suffering is the one that prevents the escape. Perpetual hunger, indefinite physical pain, sustained social deprivation when no lessons learned help.
I fight in the gym doing Martial Arts. true consensual suffering. You go through phases where for a period of time you're almost overwhelmed with the (undeniable?) fact that you are a true idiot. I mean a genuine fool, without question. At times like these, you go to the gym and get in a fight, and you usually win. It's strange how motivation works, but discipline definately overlaps with joy when you don't stop the practice.
kern0099 1 year ago
How far do you walk in a week. Doesn't your arm get sore holding that camera up?
Mjhavok 1 year ago
cool
changetheoscar 1 year ago
Consensual suffering is not a complex issue. The suffering that Gary is talking about weighing in his ethical equation, is the non consensual suffering that you impose on other sentient life.
br0kenmech 1 year ago
@TheAnthrochocobo Thank you for your insightful comment. One does need to be reminded that there are those out there like you with a lot to say.
miguelbinha 1 year ago
carrying on living could be considered 'consensual suffering' to some...(?)
TWITfromURANUS 1 year ago
@TWITfromURANUS Spot on!
miguelbinha 1 year ago
Now "consensual violence" is an oxymoron. Guess you meant consensual suffering.
esaman 1 year ago
@esaman What about boxing matches?
chitchcott 1 year ago
@chitchcott Stepping in boxing ring means you are asking for it. The opponent is just fulfilling your wishes. The same thing as going to the dentist, or riding a bike down a hill off-roads. If you are too stupid to understand the risks then it is an accident by stupidity not suffering by violence.
esaman 1 year ago
@esaman Sure, you're asking for it, which is why it's consensual. Are you saying boxing matches are not violent?
chitchcott 1 year ago
@chitchcott I already answered that. No, they are not truly violent. They are violent in the same way a storm can be said to be violent. It is a rhetorical use of analogy to true violence. It should be quite obvious that the defining feature of something being an act of aggression/violence is it being against the wishes of the victim. So nothing consensual should be called violent at least for the purpose of discussion on ethics.
esaman 1 year ago
A video on dignity may be usefull at this point
cardellacole4 1 year ago
What about the negative experience of being aware of one self in a bit of rock flying in space? Isn't that what REAL suffering is? No God, no belonguing that soothes, no discernible reason for things to be apart from alleatory aglomerations of matter. That is REAL suffering, not the simple foot ache that (nevertheless and annoyingly) redirects one to the awereness of ones situation in history. Oh, all you heroes (not) that live without a need for belonguing (yes in the religious sense: Religare)
miguelbinha 1 year ago
@miguelbinha And you're not heroes because you can't feel the pain of separation. You don't feel it! You annalyse the concepts, brilliantly in my view, but you don't live the ultimate concequences of such reasonings for the justification of man's condition. You dress as a bunny, who knows as a reflux of your subconscious premonition of the possibility of the absurd, you look for the soothing nothingness of meditation. Assume your condition of lackness and cry like a lost boy.
miguelbinha 1 year ago
Suffering has to be non-consensual. Really the point of some suffering is that it is about learning. To suffer hunger indicates that eating is a good idea, to suffer teeth pain marks going to the dentist and being better at brushing teeth. Suffering through a personal loss teaches that relationships matter to us etc etc.
The worst suffering is the one that prevents the escape. Perpetual hunger, indefinite physical pain, sustained social deprivation when no lessons learned help.
socrates856 1 year ago
Not a directly response to it but an earlier vid upon the same concern: /watch?v=azOnoqn83UU
Professoranton 1 year ago