Drum-Kit with DIY mesh-heads and Superior Drummer 2.0

[Tafanauz]

i love your dry fills!

[uvasonar]

@Tafanauz

Thanks a lot.

[exferd]

great toms there

[DJFMasters3]

one of the things that stands out about Superior Drummer, or both EZDrummer and SD2.0 are the CYMBALS.. it's too bad you didn't show us that...

[uvasonar]

@DJFMasters3

This is due to my experience that virtual cymbals - even the with the best sounds and e-cymbals - neither feel right while playing nor sound as authentic as using a hybrid setup like I do. Real cymbals give me too many nuances that are still getting lost using samples. Besides the real miking catches noises of the sticks throbbing on the mesh heads etc. that perfectly accomplish the live acoustic illusion.

[16acog]

nice grove man i really like it

[uvasonar]

@16acog

Thank you very much!

[danceoffAsh]

Hey man great kit!

I have an electronic kit and i replaced my padded snare drum with a real snare drum meshed with a Pintech trigger in it, while i connect it with my Drum vst, like SD 2.0 it sounds very weak and low volume with no punch at all!

How can i make it sound with equal velocity as to my toms, kick and cymbals etc,

note:- toms,kick and cymabals are from the electronic kit only the snare drum is with a real one,meshed and triggered

sorry for my English

thanks!

[uvasonar]

@danceoffAsh

Sorry, but your question involves too many unknown factors, you need to ask someone in your area to assist and help you. Good luck!

[uvasonar]

@joshTHFRO

Thanx  :)

[1997SAndrew]

Are you using piezos mounted inside your drums? If so then what are you using as a MIDI converter? Thanks

[uvasonar]

@1997SAndrew

Yes, piezos are mounted on thin textile belts right under the heads.

[1997SAndrew]

@uvasonar ahh ok right but what are you using as a MIDI converter to then plug into your PC? I am doing research into what is the best one for when i do it with my kit :)

[uvasonar]

@1997SAndrew

Sorry, I use a Roland TMC-6, but all of the larger Roland boxes with built-in sounds work just the same way, but provide more inputs.

[1997SAndrew]

@uvasonar ahh ok. but what are you using as a MIDI converter to then plug it into your PC?

[samumaster]

Did you trigger the cymbals too, or did you mike them?

[uvasonar]

@samumaster

Nope. Real cymbals, played live, classic miking = most authentic AND versatile setup.

[fabioserradrums]

PERFECT SOUND

[uvasonar]

@fabioserradrums

thanks a lot! :)

[sonicwingnut]

I'm having a nightmare with my attempt, got the piezos 'floating' in the centre behind the skin like other people seem to do but nothing outside of hitting the dampener (used a felt cylinder about 1 1/2" thick) gives a decent hit, the mesh just seems to absorb it way more than normal drums.

[uvasonar]

@sonicwingnut

Every piezo type reacts differently, some are simply not sensitive enough. But a felt cylinder doesn't seem to be a good idea, as felt is dampening your impulse way too much. Try heating insulation, about 1/2 an inch should do. Make sure your piezo does not bounce behind the mesh head and is getting pressed to the mesh from behind. It's not the mesh that is the problem here, I guess...

[sonicwingnut]

@uvasonar I found after a lot of messing on that the skins and straps just needed super-tightening, that helped a great deal. If anything I need cones with a thinner tip now so that the "hot" area dead centre (where there's a large jump in dynamics if you hit it directly) is minimised. The 22" kick had some problems with the piezo in the middle but packing the whole thing with cushions fixed double triggering. I may use your suggestion for that with the piezo near the edge.

[uvasonar]

@sonicwingnut

Yes, the tighter the better, although I found ways to allow a looser head tension e.g. for the stand tom w/o running into multiple triggers. But generally a 12-o'clock-position of the piezo off center works best for me to avoid jumpy dynamics and its much easier to avoid the piezo starts bouncing around itself.

[capoman1]

Sounds great!

[uvasonar]

@capoman1

Thanks a lot!

[uvasonar]

Here's a nice tutorial - maybe a bit on the lengthy side - on how to actually construct DIY mesh heads made of pet screen:

youtube.com/watch?v=AkvQHPB-wl­k

The result looks perfect, although I prefer "piezo bridges" made of cloth with the piezo/foam assembly glued to it and then stretched and clamped between the shell and the head. This way I could minimize crosstalk between Toms tremendously.

[nuendo2496]

Could you post a link to your constuction plan? Thanks

[uvasonar]

@nuendo2496

Sorry, but I am not allowed to publish the document for copyright reasons. Mail me with your PM and I'll get it to you.

[nuendo2496]

@uvasonar Why did you choose the Roland RT on the snare and kick and not on toms? I'm considering the new Roland RT10S for snare. I assume they are very close to the RT you are using.

[fayser1]

Hi Thanks for the reply...sorry bout the triple post.. problems with my computer!. I hear you on the cymbals.. our drummer hated the rubber TD12 ones we had him play.. have you seen the new Ziljan G16s?

Thanks again

Tony

[uvasonar]

@fayser1

Sorry I don't know them. But I think a real cymbal is physically too complex to get modeled right. Think of all the various sounds you get from a real cymbal... And: The mics add authenticity even for the toms! Cheers!

[fayser1]

Hi there... love the sounds... am disappointed to see that you weren't able to get the cymbals e-fied as we are hoping our drummer can fully "e" up to drop the noise on stage... ... in terms of feel however does the surge cymbals or smarttrigger cymbals not do a good job?.. their hi hat looks like a real hi hat (note I am a guitar player looking to get our drummer off acoustic)

Could you possible send me your pdf on construction if I forward you an email address?

Thanks a million

[uvasonar]

@fayser1

Thanks for your comment. Please don't triple post in the future ;). PM me and I'll get you the PDF I mentioned earlier. No, e-cymbals are no real replacement and simply don't feel, response and react right. Especially Hi-Hats and Ride-Cymbals are a problem, as even the expensive solutions do not provide a sufficient number of zones or something like "zone blending"/interpolation. But it depends... Some like those pizza tins - I don't.

[fayser1]

Hi there... love the sounds... am disappointed to see that you weren't able to get the cymbols e-fied as we are hoping our drummer can fully "e" up to drop the noise on stage... ... in terms of feel however does the surge cymbols or smarttrigger cymbols not do a good job?.. their hi hat looks like a real hi hat (note I am a guitar player looking to get our drummer off acoustic)

Could you possible send me your pdf on construction (fayser1@yahoo dot com)

Thanks a million

[Level80irl]

or could just get a bad ass roldan d electric kit lol

[uvasonar]

Correction: While my calculation is true for software monitoring of audio signals, it doesn't fully apply here: The IN-latency (=how long does a stroke travel to trigger an event in the host) depends on how quick your MIDI-interface is PLUS how quick your MIDI-In-hardware at the host is PLUS how quick and reliable thoses MIDI drivers are programmed. But as the whole process needs around 6-8 ms in most config's, at the end of the day my calculation works as a rule of thumb. EVERYTHING MATTERS :(

[DimeWyldeBilly]

Okay, Here's the question that I cannot find the answer to and hope you can help! Your obviously monitoring through your headphones, are you monitoring through your software? The only way I have been able to figure out how to deal with the latency issues is to monitor through the drum module and just let sonar record a few milliseconds later. I am building a simular setup to yours, but I am using a simmons sd5k module (samples suck) but using the superior 2.0 samples in Sonar via the midi track.

[uvasonar]

@DimeWyldeBilly

Yes, I am monitoring through the software. The only way to achieve prone to "real-time" response is using either a fast system with a descent Firewire audio-interface (RME, TC) or any system with a RME PCI(e) card - about the only one allowing solid performance with a 256 samples buffer and less. WACH IT: A driver setting of 6 ms does NOT mean 6 ms overall latency!! It means 6ms IN+6ms OUT+2ms converter latency=14 ms!I use an effective overall latency of 13,6 ms (256 smp@44.1).

[10daystilldawn]

Hey mate - I live in a flat so noise is an issue so my kits been stored the last year... I have a set up very similar to this being 6 piece. What are the make of mesh heads your using and do they make a big difference to noise level with out effecting the feel of the drum

[uvasonar]

@10daystilldawn

These heads are made of comparably heavy pet screen (PVC coated, gaps are around 0.7-1 mm2), give me lower noise and feel more authentic than any other solution I came across. Please check out my earlier comments for details.

[10daystilldawn]

@uvasonar

Ah thats cool!

Sorry I should have read ahead. Didnt realised they were triggered.

Im looking to lower the volume of my acoustic kit but keeping the tone and the bounce. Any ideas?

[01toyutoy10]

what about cross sticking?

[uvasonar]

@01toyutoy10

I don't get your question, sorry.

[jimmah01]

@uvasonar Pretty sure he meant side sticking.. I suppose you'd just record that acoustically..?

[uvasonar]

@jimmah01 & @01toyutoy10

Ahhhh, yeah sure, thanks for the clarification. Side sticks are being triggered on the snare only. There I use a Roland dual drum trigger; all other rim sounds go to disk via the overhead mics and just add up to the head sounds nicely.

[ANessFace]

Lol when you hit the snare at the beginning of the video I thought you were gonna play Hold The Line by Toto. :P

[BAFdrummer]

Alright!! I have a question. So you miced the cymbals, and did those live, and used triggers for the drums. How did you do this?? Did you have two separate modules? Like the Alesis IO and an audio interface or what?? What program did you use? Just Superior drummer, and how did you import the audio of the cymbals in there? And also how do you eq the mics to just pick up the cymbals??? Thanks a bunch!!

[uvasonar]

@BAFdrummer

Of course you need plain old recording equipment (mics, audio-interface, recording software, plugins etc.) to get all the metal recorded. Stay away from Alesis IO, poor performance. Take a Roland converter and a good interface like a TC Konnekt or RME. The recording software then brings it all together: Superior Drummer and the recorded cymbals for the mix. The mics are MEANT to pick up the stick noise on the mesh heads, I don't eq them out much. The noise makes up the mockup!

[xXQcAresiusQcXx]

Are these mesh heads good enough to put them on my acoustic drums so that we don't hear it at all? Because I live in an appartment and I plan to bring it up here but for the only condition: that we don't hear it... Should these work?

[uvasonar]

@xXQcAresiusQcXx

You can hear them, but they are the quietest heads I know. So... all is relative. But it massively depends on how your drums are mounted and how hard you muffle the bottom heads and shell. If I were you I'd put cushions inside and try to setup the bass drum on a second floor/pod mounted on top of old tires to kill vibration transmission.

[7amanyation]

good job dude ...sounds like an acoustic drum set ..

but i wanna know if you feel any difference between the mesh-heads and the normal acoustic heads?..i mean when u hit your snare drum ..are the sticks bounce will be different ? is that kind of heads affect your speed when u play ?

[uvasonar]

@7amanyation

glad you like it. The kind of heavy pet screen that I used for the mesh heads feels pretty much like the real thing. Too thin material - like the majority of commercially available mesh heads are made of - has the dreaded tennis racket effect: Your sticks will bounce like kids on a birthday party. And it is important to use a tension that works well with the trigger pickups: If you are used to hit loose, deep acoustic heads and mount the meshs this way - this won't trigger well.

[1100person0011]

how are you triggering your mesh heads???

[uvasonar]

@1100person0011

With a selfmade piezo suspension. For more details please scan through earlier comments.

[bryan615]

awesome mod u did on ur drums... how loud does the mesh head sound (unpowered)? 

[uvasonar]

@bryan615

hmm.. this is very relative and subjective, so.. well, I record the cymbals live with overhead mikes and if you listen to that track only, of course you hear some "plocks" and even the rims sometime, but this is a nice feat because it mixes with the samples perfectly and sounds very authentic to my ear. As pet screen with fully dampened bottom heads creates a low sound, it is much quieter than every mesh head you could buy.

[Ominous09]

nice Bass lines Cool drumming as well but the bassline and guitar track sick 

[uvasonar]

@Ominous09

you mean suck? or like "sick guitar track" with a positive connotation? I don't get it ;)

[Ominous09]

@uvasonar Sick as in Very Very Good :-D

[RejectedRejects]

@uvasonar I think he means good sick, because the guitar track is awesome and so is your drumming.

[uvasonar]

@RejectedRejects

Thanks a lot! Glad you like it :)

[phobik2000]

Great sounding drumming there

[mcadder]

I love your beats! Sounds great! That was a sweet sounding hihat, what is the name of it? ...maybe I can talk my drummer into buying the same! :O)

[uvasonar]

@mcadder

thanks a lot, glad you like it. I guess you won't be able to find a similar Hi-Hat, because it is a combination of a Zildijan Flat-Hat top cymbal and a Tosco 2-hole bottom cymbal. And don't forget miking and EQ does a lot to the way a Hi-Hat sounds. Cheap mic + cheap EQ sounds bad almost every time, regardless of what metal you're whopping.

[123sumguy]

it sounds great

[Bf2kami]

good man but peice of advise move your wrists more ..the way you are druming you will fuck your wrists. all your power comes from your wrist not arm .... use the sticks with your hands facing down not on the side like that and make big wrist movements for you will 1 make a bigger sound and 2 not damage your wrist :P

[uvasonar]

@Bf2kami

Thank you for your care and advice, but I am far from experiencing any wrist related problems. And I am pretty sure I will not change my technique in this life any more, as I just play the drums when I need tracks for music productions or film scores. And it is a completely different story to trigger drums than to generate a "big sound" acoustically. Finger-snaps plus wrist movements mean less strain and more speed. My arms chime in only when I need real power. Thanks anyway!

[emilshere]

I started keeping a live hi hat set up and ready to go with my e drums - the crash and ride cymbals I believe are passable these days, but the high hat is the one thing that they cannot nail because the amount of nuances and articulatioins are really gigantic and it would take a huge library dedicted to nothing but one hi hat mega multisample to achieve the realism we need for a passable acoustic hi hat,,,,,

[uvasonar]

@emilshere

I agree, although depending on how you play it, the ride cymbal seems to be another real problem. I like to crash rides once in a while ;). Even the three zone e-ride didn't behave naturally to me. Plus I gain authenticity for all drums while miking them...

[emilshere]

@uvasonar Yes you are right, although I have found some ride samples with a crashed articulation , but yeah the e-cymbal controlling it has to produce it correctly... and that is a problem I agree! I would definately see myself adding a real ride if I need to use it in a song that way.

[rastusthecat]

This sounds amazing, I have a similar set up but have been recording with e cymbals. I,m going to give this a go!!!

[uvasonar]

@rastusthecat

Yeah, definitely! I stopped trying to e-alize cymbals after I had played the to-date best available e-cymbal setup over at Nir-Z's studio in Brooklyn and realized even THIS very expensive setup didn't really do the trick.

The acoustic miking has some other advantages I learned to love since then:

Accidental rim noises and other "natural flavors" add very nicely to the samples! You can even play rimshots on the toms and they sound great - just by combining mic's and samples!

[uvasonar]

Sorry, I am totally swamped by work in the studio. I don't have time for this. If you PM me I send you a PDF file with pictures and a step-by-step instruction.

[teotonio92]

what triggers are u using?

thx

[uvasonar]

Selfmade piezo triggers, about 1" in diameter. They are wrapped into two pieces of heating insulation, which are glued to a belt of elastic fabric. This belt must be thin enough to fit under the rim of the head and is getting fixed with the head under tension to avoid bouncing. I prefer an off center pickup position (upper middle) so I don't have a hotspot behaviour in the drum center.

[uvasonar]

This construction can easily be removed and remounted and minimizes cross triggering due to the elastic nature of the belt.

[1Elrod]

What interface are you using with the kit. I also mic real cymbals and do Superior it work very well.

[uvasonar]

Roland TMC-6. Read my older comments for details. Cheers!

[iamcraiger]

thats a nice Yamaha Recording Custom drumkit!

[uvasonar]

Yeah! ...well except that it has been muted to death ;). But it still sounds great when played all acoustically and the re-conversion to real drum heads/drum sound is quickly done.

[gnialf]

it is almost a sin to trigger such a fine kit of recording customs but it sounds good :)

[chriscauldermusic]

GREAT video man! I love this. What kit did you use for this video, with Superior 2.0? The default Avatar kit?

Do you have a saved kit file? I LOVE the way you mixed the kit, the snare sound, everything...... if you have a kit preset for this, please upload it in your info or somewhere.... THANKS!!!

[uvasonar]

Yes it is the default Avatar kit, slightly tweaked. I used external mixing, so I am sorry: no preset possible! Mainly SPL analog code (Transient, EQ Rangers), bus Sonnoy Oxford as well. Pro stuff. Not cheap, but sounds amazing.

[uvasonar]

This goes to chriscauldermusic...

[Action1Guy]

C00L! Loved it!

[bassjorge]

man will i need to get a new sound card for my computer if i get Toontrack superior drummer 2.0???

[mjcrunchbite]

How durable is the pet screen??? i have a old stewart drum set from the 60's that i want convert and i have been looking at various websites and they dont really mention how durable the homemade heads are..... thanks

[uvasonar]

Sorry I must have overlooked your question. The pet screen is very durable, I still use the first setup for two years now :). Ok, I am not a Death Metal hitter, but, well just as durable as usual heads.

[uvasonar]

This goes to mjcrunchbite. Sorry for the bad order.

[d3tach3d]

DIY mesh heads? what type of material? any links to a tutorial site?

[uvasonar]

#1 Yes

#2 Pet screen

#3 Nope

[GishoDinev]

And lastly, what type of cymbals are you using here ?

Thanks

[uvasonar]

-old Zildijan Flat-Hat

-old Zildijan 10" Splash

-Sabian 15" Thin Crash

-Istanbul 20" hand hammered Ride

[GishoDinev]

Can you use the triggers with the TMC-6 and with regular drum heads ?

And you get the recorded drums in midi track so you can edit them afterwards right ?

Thanks

[uvasonar]

Yes, but you will run into double triggers and lots of crosstalk. So this is no real fun. Honest - forget it.

And yes, the drums can be edited, you just can't nudge MIDI events around too freely when there is not much going on in the arrangement, since you'll always hear the sticks throbbing on the mesh heads through the overhead mics.

Cheers!

[aprilbaylor1]

YO man wut did you trigger the drums with?

[uvasonar]

Selfmade piezo suspension, Roland TMD-6 converter.

[aprilbaylor1]

Ok...I dont know wut that is but I want to do it....how did you do it? and what does it cost?

[uvasonar]

Please read the comments carefully from the start and you will know. Use a search engine to check out prices in your region and check the toontrack dotcom user forum.

[uvasonar]

I won't. But thanks for the offer ;).

[Bertziethegreat]

How long did it take to make those shells? They look really great!

[uvasonar]

Ahhhm... I didn't make them. It's a plain old Yamaha Recording 9000 equipped with self-made mesh heads. Feel free to read all my comments for details.

[parsonsmatt]

Sounds great! This is the exact same kit set up I am going for. I am dismayed to find that the Alesis Trigger|iO doesn't work well though, what problems did you have with it?

[uvasonar]

The Trigger's parameter steps are way too coarse and the internal filtering strategy works poor compared to Roland=Poor performance.

[StinkyWizzleTits]

I was goin to go with a trigger iO for the price but after what I have read I'm not sure. I would like something that I could do a nice buzz roll or double stroke roll on. I was looking at a TD 8 on ebay that is in my price range. Can any one give a better sugestion. I only want to go software but if I can have both all the better

[uvasonar]

Try to get a used TMD-6 or go for a TD-3 if you don't need more inputs. Regarding Trigger IO read my next comment.

[uvasonar]

@sohh59: It's a single trigger per drum/pad, except for the snare which is equipped with a Roland RT5S dual trigger for rim and head.

[mecrop12]

how did you make the mesh heads??

[uvasonar]

I took pet screen, a rather heavy material and put it over cannibalized old mylar heads. Check the Toontrack dotcom forum for details.

[sohh59]

how many trigger(s) have you got on one pad

[uvasonar]

@OpioidesAnalgetikum

Frankly, this is about the default kit with very little internal tweaking. I have just applied some bus compression (SONY Oxford Dynamics) of Toms and Snare inside my host, added some NastyLF to the BD and - this is the most important thing - have applied a SPL Transient Designer (plugin version) to both the live overheads and the drums substracting attacks and adding more sustain. That's it!

[OpioidesAnalgetikum]

Stupid question:

Do you mind telling me how you achieved that Superior Drummer sound?

Which Snare Drum did you use, have you made use of the EQs, Ambient Mics?

I've been trying to make Superior Drummer sound like this for ages.

Never succeeded.

[uvasonar]

@Irish614 & Englishracin

I can only repeat myself: the best you can do is to search the toontrack dotcom forum for various DIY tutorials. I use a Roland TMC6 MIDI converter, Roland RT-series trigger for Snare and Bass. Then you'll need a semi-pro Audio-Interface with quick MIDI-I/O to hook the TMC-6 to your PC. Best are RME, but M-Audio works as well.

[Englishracin]

If i put mesh heads on my acoustic set and use triggers, what do i need to hook my triggers to to use the drum sounds in EZ-Drummer? I've been looking how to do this forever and i cant figure out exactly what I need

[Irish614]

I've played drums (acoustic) for 16+ years, I don't have a damn clue about any of the electronic stuff lol. I know you need a drum trigger module and triggers, but how can I do this for an acoustic drum set? I just bought Superior Drummer 2.0 that set me back 300$USD Now I gotta spend at least another 200 to buy the things to use it?

[uvasonar]

Hi cast390,

no sorry, I sent the Trigger IO right back after it failed all my tests to get it work properly with Mesh heads.

Cheers

[virgintrainssuck]

niceee kit dude ;)

[uvasonar]

Hi Kami,

I don't use this setup live, so there is no need for a hell of an amp while playing. I use closed back headphones to monitor my playing (samples + mic signals).

Cheers

uvasonar

[KamiRoberts]

Finally after searching for hours on youtube i find someone with the same idea as me!, im doing this in lyk a week but im still un sure of all the stuff i will need? but im more imnterested in how many watts ur amp has to be to compete with the cymbals?

[uvasonar]

@imabitch4u:

Thanks for the compliment! Read my posts carefully on how to do it; check the graphic under uvasonar dotcom slash pictures slash DIY_suspended_drum-trigger.jpg . Please note that Trigger I/O won't really do the trick; I tried everything to get it right, but sent it back, since the results are comparably poor to a Roland TD-module or the TMC-6.

[cast390]

I tried the trigger io with my hart dymnaics 6.4 pro kit,and also had horrible results.Tweaked everything on the io in every possible combination for weeks and still nada. Im now using an older roland td8 to trigger superior 2.0 and bfd2.Seems the trig io only works well with real mylar heads like on the ret percussions kits. Had any experience with them?

[uvasonar]

Please PM me:

info AT uvasonar dotcom for more.

[jaymesuex291]

VERY NICE. . How did you make the heads?

[uvasonar]

Thank you all for the positive reactions!

[Haize567]

Nice Groove !

[uvasonar]

Yes, I think the 'hybrid-kit' combines the best out of both worlds. I am not too much of a fan of E-Cymbals. A real cymbal has so much more nuances and colors to give soundwise...

[zeboeuf]

Excellent playing - you have a very good sense of where beats should go, not over complicated or fussy.

Good call on the acoustic cymbals - whilst Roland/Hart/Yamaha/plastic discs with piezos on do give some degree of cymbal-like feel, they certainly can't match a disc of metal!

[uvasonar]

UPDATE: I have created a construction plan of my suspended trigger system. Cost per drum: less than 5 bucks (w/o head): uvasonar dotcom slash pictures slash DIY_suspended_drum-trigger.jpg . You have to try different piezos to find the best one available in your country by sticking them to a head with tape and compare their signals while triggering the same instrument. Those with 1 - 1.5" in diameter and a resonance-frequency of 1.5 - 4 kHz seem worth a try. For DIY meshs use pet-screen (US).

[uvasonar]

Yeah! In fact, the bleeding of the mesh-heads is so low on the OH's, that I can even move one or the other rushed or dragged MIDI-note a couple of ticks without getting too noticeable "flamming" between samples and mesh-sounds - at least when other instruments play along.

[newamerikangospel]

That is one of the best drum recording setups period. You dont have to quantize due to shells bleeding to your ohs/highhats, and you can eq to best suit your cymabls, instead of trying to dig out the shells with eq. Very nice man.

[uvasonar]

I did it myself, just a quick and dirty playback w/o vocals to check out my new drum recording system.

UPDATE: Since the piezos directly attached to the mesh-heads triggered well, but were much too sensitive for crosstalk (cymbals would trigger toms), I now have sandwiched them in between two chocks of foam, which I braced from below the head (1" to the rim) with a stripe of stretchy cloth. Result: Stunning. But don't even think about using other converters than the Roland's. Bad performance

[imabitch4u]

luv your drummin :) !! i wanna do the same as you! i have the alesis trigger i/o but i wanna use my hh power bell ride and my acoustic cymbals! how can i make it?:) thanks for uploading cool videos as this! i mean.. you are the only one that make this with real cymbals !

[ChezterG]

where exactly did you get that backing track?

[uvasonar]

As I said before, the cymbals are recorded LIVE. No triggering involved here: Bang cymbal, record sound, enjoy recording :).

[bchamorro]

how did you get your cymbals to work? I don't see triggers there.

[darkvader47]

Jammin!

[uvasonar]

Hey guys,

the best you can do is to search the toontrack dotcom forum for various DIY tutorials. I use a Roland TMC6 MIDI converter, RT-series trigger for Snare and Bass and for Toms Digisound piezos directly attached to the bottom of the selfmade mesh heads, about 1" away from the rim. Note that all cymbals are recorded live with 2 Microtech Gefell M930 (in AB) as overheads an 1 Sennheiser MKH416 for Hats. The mesh is so quiet, that its bleeding noise doesn't interfere with the samples.Cheers!

[ChezterG]

thats pretty cool bro! how did you DIY your edrums, and is there a way to do it without muting drum heads and cymbals?

[KamiRoberts]

Hi im thinking of doing the exact same to my kit but i was just wondering one drum module do u use and how many trigger inputs it has

[ridder1705]

Was it hard to do the piezo's(or whatever you used) in the toms, snare and kick?

I would love to do that, but scared to mess something up.