Requiem 4 - Giuseppe Verdi - "Lacrimosa"

[Skoomaheadmrmush]

all music sucks all music is good subjectivity



[MePeeing]

dj Gabri (aka Verdi) Ponte

[1944fernando]

Los requiems de Verdi y Mozart me hacen llorar y me sirven para superar situaciones tristes.

[redeiballi]

Dj Verdi,Caccia un po di requiem delle streghe! XD

[asfiut]

per me il requiem di verdi e una tra le migliori composizioni. grande drammaturgia, grande requiem. viva verdi.

[injektileur]

here's a summary of why the verdi/mozart fight is just useless :

mozart's requiem > 1791 (35 y.o and sort of dying)

verdi's requiem > 1874 ( 61 y.o. and almost 30 to go)

those 2 great men lived very different lives (and lifespans) at very different times, that's all. Realize that it would be a bit like comparing Jeff Buckley's "Dream Brother" and Joy Division "Love will tear us apart", don't you think ?

(yes, time flies quicker in the 20th century. lol)

[RWT683]

@injektileur Great works of art are timeless. The circumstances of the composers are irrelevant to judging the work itself, except that their respective eras influenced their style. This is the difference between great art and popular music. And yes this is a great masterpiece, just as Mozart's is also. Popular music doesn't even belong in the comparison. Mozart and Verdi are not fads.

[injektileur]

@RWT683

If you dare think that in or 300 years time some people won't remember and appreciate for instance the beatles or the rolling stones - who were typical "fads" - I then would think you don't really what music and art is about. Vivaldi was a "fad", Beethoven was a "fad", Stravinsky has been treated as such in his time. And Mozart and Verdi were "popular" back then too. People whistled their arias in the street like some sing random stuff today. You're not wrong but you're not really right

[RWT683]

@injektileur Whether in 300 years the Beatles will be appreciated is something I can't answer (It's questionable whether Western civilization will even exist in 300 years.) The Beatles wrote some memorable tunes. Is anything they did comparable to a Mozart Requiem or Beethoven Missa Solemins in complexity or artistic scope? Not even in the same universe. Western art is dead; we no longer live in a society that demands or appreciates great art on the level of past centuries.

[RWT683]

@injektileur For every Mozart or Beethoven we remember today there were hundreds of other composers at the time who receive no attention today. Some wrote hundreds of symphonies (even more than Haydn). We don't remember them because their music didn't measure up, it wasn't great. Beethoven and most of the others were never fads, as you said many were only popular with a minority at the time, but their music has been recognized as great art since then. Will "Lady Gaga" be played in even 10 years?

[injektileur]

@RWT683

indeed that debate is too wide to fit in here ^^" my point is > I said Beethoven is/was a fad because he sort of became "out of fashion" in the early 20th century, then "discovered" again. Vivaldi was completely forgotten then discovered back in the 20th too. Mozart was never forgotten but still the movie Amadeus helped build his modern legend.

Of course no one knows what 2300 will look like. No Lady Gaga XD but hopefully radiohead, the beatles, elvis, bbking, aphex twin etcetc

[injektileur]

@RWT683

"you don't really *know" what..."

I could add that the composers regarded today as "great" and despised for their popularity or their fadness while alive are countless > debussy, moussorgsky, satie, schönberg, gershwin, etc etc... I repeat, you're not wrong, you don't need to focus on when and how masterpieces are conceived to appreciate and study them. Yet, I was just giving an example of how comparisons can be tricky, by comparing ^^" with great music - because it IS - closer to us

[Busseto]

@MaKiMaJaMiKoMiCa I 've listened to the whole  Mozart's Requiem at least 20 times in my life , I'm just written what's absolutely true and what's been said and stated by so many experts, critics and orchestra directors . You chack the REAL background history, not the naive and bad one invented in the Hollywood movie , but the REAL HISTORY and start to study music if you can , after tha we will discuss .......

[saturn6990]

Scuzi, barabubi? XD

[magomomo98]

avete fatto caso che qst canzone è uguale alla danza delle streghe?

[Jackturkeshi]

@magomomo98 gabri ponte l'ha remixata da qua. anche perchè non mi pare abbia mai fatto nulla di totalmente originale, solo remix.

[Umbrage00]

1:33 this is the music that will greet me when I am entering heaven

[Armando1735]

Extraordinário, mas menor que Mozart, sem dúvida.

[fernandopox]

he is copying lady gaga.

[drrosslg]

You people who are setting up a contest among genius composers have left out the lacrymosa of Hector Berlioz

[narutosweet]

esta es una de las piezas mas conmovedoras y hermosas del requiem de verdi

[granluce79]

Verdi ha la capacità di "farmi alzare il pelo"dall'emozione.Pazzesco,co­manda lui i moti dell'anima.

[feenbaby]

Verdi ist für mich der Größte und sein Requiem geht mir ganz tief in die Seele

Danke

[feenbaby]

Verdi ist für mich der Größte und sein Requiem geht mir ganz tief in die Seele 

[lamusicahera]

BRAVO TO ALL!

BRAVA SUSANN DUNN !

[1995marco]

sPETTACOLO 

[Giankybvilla]

Quando è notte il lupo grida all'ombra della luna La danza delle streghe non porta mai fortuna Fuochi e Spiriti ballate dentro al cerchio della luce Tramontate stelle.. anime sorelle Dodici rintocchi squarciano la notte scura La danza delle streghe signore di paura Dalle tenebre sorgete lento il fuoco nero brucia Spettri nel castello fate il vostro ballo ...... Questa è più bella no?!

[castravet]

The greatest "aria" ve ever heared.thanks for posting Love Ariel

[musiclover8671]

I think that Verdi and Mozart are distinctly different. Firstly, the periods that they lived in were very different in tastes and stuff like that. The music was obviously more tinkly for commercial success, but also the theatres didn't have the capacity or the acoustics for an orchestra and chorus as large as the ones needed for the grand opera style you know with more spectacle :)

[Trulyloyale]

Right with Busseto , comparing the 2 Requiems , the Verdi's one with that one by Mozart, there's no match in my opinion : Mozart is pretty talented , but Verdi is another thing , I prefer this last .

I think that the Mozart's requiem seems like a TV jingle , compared to the Requiem by Verdi , which is the masterpiece of Requiems and one of the most beautiful , solemn & inspired musics of all times .

I agree with you , the Mozart's music is like child's music . Verdi is greater , no way

[fugenzio]

ma non assomiglia alla danza delle streghe di Gabry ponte ?

[PadronMatteo]

@fugenzio quel verme di ponte l' ha copiata....

[kry250986]

@PadronMatteo

remixare non significa copiare...ke paese di MERDA mamma mia...

[kry250986]

@PadronMatteo

NON HAI PENSATO AL FATTO KE MOLTI RAGAZZINI SONO VENUTI IN QST VIDEO AD ASCOLTARE IL REQUIEM E GRAZIE AL RMX GABRY HANNO CONOSCIUTO QUESTA SPLENDIDA OPERA DI VERDI....????

NO MA SENZA OFFENDERE E DIRE PAROLACCE NN SI VIVE...E LO SO....

[PadronMatteo]

@kry250986 Qalche anno fa quando questa canzone è uscita ha avuto un successo enorme. Io non ho mai sentito nessuno parlare di Verdi. Lui non ha detto che ha prodotto questo remix per tributo al grande compositore che è stato Verdi. Per dimostrare che ciò che ha fatto non è copiare avrebbe dovuto dichiarare da dova deriva la sua danza delle streghe.

[kry250986]

@PadronMatteo

non è colpa di Ponte se un ragazzino di oggi...nn sa tt qst...cmq le opere di gabry ponte si basano quasi sempre su ballate medievali o opere...nn ce mica bisogno di ricordarlo ogni volta....

cmq dai ci siamo capiti alla fine...

[PadronMatteo]

@kry250986 P.S. io parolacce non ne ho usate. E poi prova a prendere un ragazzino di dodici anni MEDIO e prova a proporgli l' opera originale dopo avergli fatto ascoltare quella di Ponte. La cosa più probabile è che si metta a ridere e che dica che questa è solo musica da vecchi.

[cucaicassius]

Us heu adonat que els Réquiems dels compositors creients tenen d'alegre? És al traspas a millor vida...no evangelitzo, només reflexiono....Corprenedora la peça de Verdi....

[GorgoTarantula]

un capolavoro...vedevo comparazioni tra mozart e verdi...le epoche sono molto diverse, verdi qui era già stato condizionato dal lavoro di wagner, mozart era in pieno classicismo. non è possibile dire qual'è più bello...è possibile dire che mozart è più immediato. certamente in verdi si sente tutto il suo stile di operista in questo pezzo, non è difficile pensare che fosse un coro pensato per un'opera il lacrimosa, ma cosa c'è di male...è meraviglioso

[nutellina18]

in pratica la danza delle streghe di gabry ponte è stata copiata da giuseppe verdi?... se sentite bene è la danza delle streghe in versione lirico e va piu lento....

[malelion]

Somehow some always compare this composition with Mozart´s "Lacrimosa". I think it is unfair. This is a clearly dramatic and desperate (or heartbreaking) opera/erette. And even I found it rather pretentious, still it´s an excellent composition.....

[ctk06]

Verdi's pretty talented, but I still prefer Mozart's Lacrimosa... Just an opinion.

[gomongio]

@ctk06 I love both Requiems but I agree with you... Mozart's Lacrimosa's violins make me feel more in the place of these verses than the wonderful vocal one from Verdi. Long live Mozart! Long live Verdi!

[morningayo]

sublime..

[thesimon17822]

infatti gabry ponte l'ha remixata, non ci assomiglia.. è lei

[loris9559]

la melodia assomiglia alla danza delle streghe di gabry ponte

[nutellina18]

nn è che assomiglia, è la danza delle streghe... gabry ponte la copiata da qua.. facendola moderna.... qst è stile lirico antico...

[JonhRobsur13]

obviamente a todos nos conmueve este tipo de opera ya que es magnifique!!

[JonhRobsur13]

how could I live all this time without knowing about this kind of art, music, talent!!!! thanks to this, I have realized that there is true potential in all humans to develop magnificent art despite what is going on in the world right now.

[8888themaster8888]

yes armandus was better than verdi does not mean verdi's not sick , these people are 'genious . there music is true music compared to alot of the crap put out these days .

[getlost0204]

I prefer Mozart's requiem...I cannot feel this...Mozart's genius I think captured brilliantly the emotion and dread to the human soul that death causes..

Verdi's requiem sounds to me like yet another opera..

Don't get me wrong. I love Verdi and his music - especially Traviata which is my favourite opera. It's just that I prefer Mozart in this case.

[MerlinTheDraconic]

I agree wholeheartedly. There's nothing wrong with the Verdi, so to speak, but Mozart's does capture a primal dread and anguish that Verdi's does not touch.

[G14LLO]

Mozart it's simply special... but do you ever listen Verdi's Requiem (dies Irae) it's awsome

[Vegetth87]

Too many notes in Verdi's Dies Irae imho. It's still more powerful mozart's one.

Though maybe in some ways Verdi could be more Dramatic if that's what you are saying. That can be also a matter of age

[ericbelify]

I feel you dude. And who wouldnt be spoiled to the lacrimosa text after hearing the Mozart?

But the Verdi requiem is an Operatic setting of the requiem text. It is all but an Opera lacking the staging. Yours is the same criticism that Verdi got from day one about that peice: that it's not a requiem, it's an opera. But it truly is Verdi's take on the gospel, and he is a composer of operas,so thats what he wrote

I think the down thumbs you got on this were unfair, thats why i write to U

[macciboma]

Questo meraviglioso Requiem non ha uguali.

Grazie condivido con lei il suo saggio commento.

[Chopinco]

did youknow that Mozart'sRequiem wasnt even finished by him? It was finished by his student Susmayer.

[Busseto]

Of course I know that but you know worldwide internet people know only the Hollywood Amadeus movie and know nothing of Classical Music.

Worldwide globalized ignorance I would say ...

[Chopinco]

lol indeed :P they think Salieri killed Mozart :P haha

[rusianace]

You cannot compare the 2 of them...Mozart was (dying) 35 when started to write the requiem and Verdi over 60 He was much more experienced not necessaly in music, but in matter of 'death emotions' for sure. (tragedy of his first family) But I still think mozart's work was amazing and unique not even close to "badly written & composed" simply brilliant.

[Pessoasolitario]

I think they are, somehow, different and there is not point of comparation. Mozart is great as Mozart and Verdi is great as Verdi. About the movie i think it has a view over mozart and, the director Milos Forman, has no point about telling the real life of Mozart.The movie is a fiction. Worlwide globalized prejucious i would say....

[ljoekelsoey4]

i tihnk the common word is 'entertainment'

[Tnahara]

Mozart and Verdi are both genius, miracles that only happen once in a million. When I listen this piece I can hear all the suffering and sorrow of the whole humankind, hell and heaven put together in the center of a storm that blows us all up.

When I first heard this music I got almost crazy. This music can take you further than any other drug.

[Trulyloyale]

@Busseto Right with you Busseto , compar

[georgegordonnoel]

@Busseto "Mozart's child musics " what kind of asshole can say that, you're a completely ignorant in music's regard - coglioni -

[Busseto]

@georgegordonnoel I was talking of respective Requiems ( if you're so jackass that you cant understand what I wrote, not my fault .....) and if we compare the 2 Requiem , the Requiem written by Mozart is quite lower than Verdi's one due to the absolutely true & precise reasons I've already talked about in my prev comment .

Also not my fault if you're the typical ridiculous brainless web idiot who is totally clueless about classic music

[Busseto]

and yet he pathetically pretends to spell his asinine short comments & bizarre nonsenses only to make a fool of himself .....!! ;-)

I wonder instead of what kind of rude , ignorant , stupid jackass can pretend to talk of classic music when he clearly has no idea about like you, dear embarrassing child brain .....! Maybe a typical wasp miniature minded

stupid & ridiculous jackass ?!

Stick to what you're more accustomed and leave classic music, it's not x you

and your skills ! dumb

[whythewar1]

@Busseto Mozart's requiem was revolutionary , it was one of the darkest pieces of its time, verdi's isn't quite as revolutionary.

[Busseto]

@whythewar1 you clearly have no idea of what you're talking about ( as majority of

web people , must say ...) 'cos it's exactly the oppsoite of what you're dreaming about in your clueless comment.

Mozart's requiem was not in XVIII cent. and it can't be named today a revolutionary work x several reasons : it's an unfinished work and so it's not perfectly written, its main parts & forms are not new not to say old styled , it's clearly a reproposition of late baroque music & themes

[Busseto]

it was not completed & orchestred by Mozart himself but by his pupils Eybler , SuBmayr after his death and that's why it can be called " badly written" , and so on ....

and, let me tell you , by sayin' that it was one of " darkest pieces " of his time makes you look like the typical average guy who usually listens to pop /rock / techno

songs and who pretends to debate of classic music upon parameters of that kind of songs music .....

[Busseto]

In past times the concept or idea of " dark " in the artistic way we mean today didn't exist at all , before the Hollywood movie , Mozartìs requiem wasn't even listed among his major works from experts & directors , and still it is not !!

The Requiem not only shouldn't be named one of his best worksm but not even a great work .

Verdi's Requiem instead is known as the max expression for such a kind of work , the greatest masterpiecing Requiem piece ever composed , the most revolutionary

[Busseto]

and innovative 'cos for the 1st time a Requiem was written with the intention of to be typically performed in a concert and not in a liturgy , in a mass like it used to be till

that , the best written ever, the most solemn and vigorous like a requiem is supposed to be, that one with the most sublime melodies and most powerful tones .

Not a casualty that its inner part called " Dies irae" is one of most played pieces of classic music everywhere, in the whole world when it comes to sad

[Busseto]

or solemn or majestic occasions, atmospehres or events .

So there's no match at all : Verdi's Requeim has no comparison with any else,

such a perfect & astonishing masterpiece has no equal or rival in the history of music !!!

Each time I wonder on why people who are clueless of certain subjects cant avoid from spelling their bizarre & senseless bs ......!

[LordBinky2]

@Busseto You kind of come off like a kid saying one video game console is better than another

[Busseto]

@LordBinky2 not at all , I just explained some basic issues to a clueless guy who had been posting his own internet comment , a typical short , stupid , nonsensed one

and clearly having no idea of classical music !

And neither I was the ignorant poster who started on saying one work better than another one upon the Hollywood movie he watched , nor I called Mozart's Requiem " more revolutionary " than Verdi's one despite the truth is just the opposite !!

[Busseto]

Maybe you should think twice before posting such childish, bizarre and nonsensed short comment , otherwise you run the risk of looking like a kid on yourself by mixing up true facts and calling me a kid in place of an ingnorant child brain nicked

whythewar1 , unless you're one of his trolling accounts .....;-) !!

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[whythewar1]

@Busseto Good point , it wasn't finished, but It was still Mozarts Idea, The fact that he would right something as dark as The Requiem Mass turned Classical , at least for me when I first heard it about a month or so ago , into a much more emotional and darker, This is better music ,but I think the Requiem mass had more inspiration to this kind of thing, and also, please don't insult me, because it will not change my view on this at all.

[gomongio]

@Busseto Don't be stupid! Don't compare! Both Requiems are great and wonderful... enjoy art, you people! Mozart and Verdi were incredible composers of their and our times... and of times to come. Period!

[Doika86]

@Busseto haahaha amico non so proprio se ridere o piangere di fronte a una cazzata del genere...

è chiaro che quello che dici è dettato al 100% dal fervore nazionalistico (che comunque condivido, e condivido l'ammirazione per il grande talento di verdi) e non dall'obbiettività

[Mercer1012]

Mozart's is superior.

[Vegetth87]

agree

[tzechuk]

Completely different interpretation of the text by two great composers.  You can't really judge one to be superior to the other.

[Playtagain]

Escucha esto, oyenteee....

[bellinianodoc]

Ehi, macciboma, sono contento che trovi "danteschi" i traduttori automatici... ;-).

Scherzo, era solo per farti i complimenti sul tuo canale, attraverso il quale ho trovato molti video musicali assai belli. Grazie.

[macciboma]

Giusta la sua osservazione riguasdo i traduttori

automatici anchi ne devo ricorrere, ma non sono

precisi grammaticalmente,nel caso pensavo che fosse erba del suo sacco e mi complimentavo.

Grazie dei complimenti riguardo i miei è la musica che posseggo e che amo esposta.Saluti WAlter

[paulostroff99]

Stunning! Brava! TY.

[Espaderos1973]

Anche non e' possibile un'altri esecuzione! Non e'poi l'amore al maestoso...simplicimente e' miraviglioso e' stupesce perche sai veramente com'e' il fuoco del profondo sentimento! Per bacco...e' fribolo, ma questo lavoro musicale lo capisce. Certamente il maestoso Giuseppe...purtroppo per me, anch'io stato enamorato del Padre della sinfonia: Dr. Joseph Haydn!

[macciboma]

Sono contento che tu lo gradisca questo brano che per me è molto bello. Anche se Verdi non è ilmio preferito compositore,Complimenti come ti

esprimi nella lingua di Dante.

[Espaderos1973]

Grazie! Certamente mi piace questa lingua e' sono molto infelice quando resto senza la prima importante parole. Come si dice? "Si io credesse..." quando la testa non hai lasciato la stessa cose dal coure zingaro? Senza compositori come il Maestoso Verdi la vita e' un inferno freddo, me piace di stare riscaldo...con te.

[Espaderos1973]

sopratutto, sapete che quando piu penso al maestoso, la lacrima sul viso e' insegnante dal cuore! Mi manchi molto al maestoso...

[macciboma]

Mi colpisce la tua sensibilità, sei fortunato

se riesci a commuoverti per la musica triste, malinconica,nostalgica. Ti consiglio Puccini.

Walter

[Espaderos1973]

E' vero che mipiace qualcosi sensibile. La Madam Butterfly ha fatto una realta vera per me... Gli miei ochi ti lo ho detto, io si lo so. Non mi piace ma e' senza sforzo quando la nostalgia prende un fuoco che hai incontrato per noi.

[brunapia55]

Mi sembra una bellissima esecuzione. E poi io amo Verdi.

Bruna

[macciboma]

Questo brano del Requien di Verdi mi rapisce

musicalmente, capolavoro verdiano.

Grazie per l'apprezzamento. Walter