In my humble opinion, with no disrespect intended, the fourth bet on the flop should maybe have sent Hansen a signal that his opponent doesn't have either KQ or a flushdraw.
I'm not a 'youtube pro' or anything but I think in this case it was a hand that gus could have easily and should have got away from. Jason wouldn't have called pre without strong picture cards or a high pocket pair, and with a four bet (half of jason's stack) on the flop against an agressive player, I don't see how gus could've put him on anything except a stronger ace
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That never looked like Gus playing to his potential... None of his moves were thought out other than the first one.. contrary to his normal fashion when he reads the opponent waits n weighs and then makes a move..
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I think Gus is just trying to steal the pot pre-flop, then unluckily hits trips on the flop, I think he thinks that Jason is trying to defend his blind.
he obviously called thinking if the guy had an ace he is chopping the pot as the guy just flat called pre flop so its pretty hard to put him on AQ-AK.i love all the ppl saying what a donk fking youtube experts LOL probably cant even afford to buy into this tourney
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WOW!!! the 'great dane' ('great donk' for me) didn't hit the magic deuce on the river!!!! omg this guy sucks at poker so much. and he is soooooo lucky!!!! i can't understand why people think he is good. gus and his friend tom 'durrr' dwan are real muppets!!! big losers in texas hold 'em and pl omaha. they are just rich guys having fun at the tables. AND THEY GET LUCKY VERY O F T EN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they both have funny ears!!!!!!!!!!! L O L!!!!!!!!!
I think Gus should have been able to get away from this one. With the rookie consistently reraising him, I think it would be reasonable to conclude that the guy had an ace. Not only that, but he can also conclude that he is outkicked because Gus has a 2 as a kicker.
Unlikely yes, but this is where the betting patterns come into play. Jason was consistenly reraising Gus, and doing so quickly without even thinking about it. That betting pattern should have been an indicator that the other player is holding an ace, or maybe even pocket queens, which would also have beat him because Jason would have had Queens full of Aces. Gus should have been able to get away from this one.
The quick raise can mean a bluff or a monster as it suggests that the decision was simple. Very often it would be a bluff, because the player with a monster would stop to think how to get more chips out of it. Also we don't know how Jason played before the hand maybe he was aggressive stealing pots. The betting was pretty weird with the second reraise (why not a shove). I mean Jason was playing the hand so straightforward that it made it look suspicious unfortunately for Gus.
@Vamp118 They went to the flop heads up, but the hand wasn't a heads up hand. The rest of the table folded. It is still unlikely he has the case ace, but if you always assume he doesn't you will lose huge amounts of chips. The guy never stopped raising, or even paused to think about it. That should have set off alarms.
juanniyo u r absolutely right man , he should have suspected the guy didnt reraise him twice just with a Q x ....and he said too .people keep calling him w AK (hand u wanna 3bet preflop for sure to know where u r at)...GL
what really makes him never contimplate folding is action is folded around to him in the small blind, with the AK in the bb, just unlucky flops a set and the other guy has him beat
Gus made no mistake here, given his reputation Jason should have re-raised preflop with AK, or QQ because if he didnt connect he would have to fold to Gus. Thats why Gus dismissed those hands, and a weak ace was what Jason was probably holding. Gus was aiming for Jason to fold the weak ace as he did raise preflop and could have a bigger ace. His claim "if you got it you got it" confirms he would fold a weaker ace. Also worth a mention is that Gus would have good odds to tie against a weak ace.
I love how people try giving poker advice, unless you're one of the pros, you're just like everyone else here watching the vid. You'd think Gus would lay it down but when you can't be arsed you can't be arsed, i've been there myself refusing to drop 83 after hitting trip 8s and ended up losing to A8.
if you ppl really think that gus played this hand well you are obviously big fishes.
with what do you think koshi would reraise him twice? a single queen? seriously he had to have him beat. either slowplayed queens and queens full or a better ace
this is the main event , this guys played during days and days , this sb vs bb, there is only 4 Aces in the deck, I mean come on man if u wanna comment poker ok but u got to play poker , and obv ur not playin poker if u can say this kind bullshit
anyway FU moron, and F every "im the best " like u , u r nothing and absolutly not special, if u wanna play come on on fulltilt , ill find u...FISH
@OlliwinneR That's pretty obvious..I mean even if gus just called the first reraise because the first reraise is pretty obvious in my opinion and gus can put out implied odds that if he hits his boat then he can take all of the other guy's stack..but I'm guessing after a couple of days of grinding out some poker can make ur head not think straight and gus must have just been tired..I can't say I would have called or folded or maybe lost the stack myself because I wasnt in that position...
Ehh do you not think that gus thought maybe he had a5 or someting and was most likely gonna split the pot...Gus had to much in there to get away from a split pot!
@OlliwinneR It was bad play, but sitting at the table you don't always have time to think shit through, the chance of 4 aces being on the table @flop is EXTREMELY low, so going by odds alone, i think most players would have done this, and assume he's sitting with maybe KK or QQ.
@Weephoot if the other guy was sitting on QQ your dead to his boat if he has kings theirs no way he is re raising you even against a loose player like gus .. ? you gotta figure his crazy or maybe TK of clubs for the Nut flush/gutter straight/ royal flush draw almost always your never too far ahead so yes bad play buy gus
I don't know why you all argue with me .. and put thumbs down.
Imagine you fucking idiots floping 3 ACE's .. now what are the chances that your opponent in heads up has another ACE with a higher kicker.
The chances of that happening are very very low for god sakes .. i know you guys would have done the same mistake's as Gus if you flopped those ACE's ... i mean common... it's not the original bad beat or anything but try too see it from Gus's perspective and realize it you fucking moron.
you people can't seem to fucking understand .. imagine you hit 3 aces on the flop .. now what are the chances of your opponent having another ace ....
You really won't fold 3 aces , and don't tell me you would and that you are better then gus hansen.
You talk shit because you can see his opponents cards and it's easy for you to judge and to say he was beat but try acting from hansens perspective without knowing your enemies cards.
Gosh i swear there is so much hatred and stupidity on youtube.
actually, 10 or 9 handed its pretty easy for a good poker player to laydown A2 because anyone else with an ace has you beat (unless u have the same hand)
Opps, minor mistake. 16 out of 47, not 18 out of 47. So 34.0%, not 38.3%. Also, if Jason had pocket Queens he would have had a full house and also beat Gus.
No offense intended, but I think your math is very off. Let's go with your very bold assumption that the first 7 players who folded before Gus in SB didn't have an ace. Given the flop, there will be 47 unknowns to Gus but with this assumption, there will be 14 unknowns we can eliminate as not containing an ace so 47-14=33 unknowns, one of which could be the 4th ace that Jason could have. The odds that Jason has this ace is 2/33 which is a 6% chance, quite different from 34%.
Your calculation of 16/47 is the odds that any of the 8 other players could have the last ace, not the odds that Jason could have an ace. If we go with your assumption that the first 7 players didn't have an ace, that does not increase Jason's odds of having an ace to 16/47. It does, however, increase his odds from 2/47 (4.2%) to 2/33 (6%). To help understand, imagine all player's cards were face up except Jason's and we saw the flop. There will be 19 known cards and only one ace will be left...
Well, let's look at it another way. After a bet, a raise, a reraise, and a rereraise, what are the chances that Jason didn't have another Ace, or pocket queens? That's a lot of chips to bluff. You could make an argument that Gus's first bet was correct, or even the second, but he shouldn't have made the rerereraise to put Jason all in. Yes, he was getting good value for his chips at that point. But he could have only beat a full on bluff.
On that part I fully agree. After a 4th bet from Jason, I think it is pretty safe for Gus to presume that he's beat. Just wanted to clear up the notion that it is highly probable mathematically for Jason to hold an ace here. It's only about a 6% chance.
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At 2:25 Norman says ''If a queen or a trey comes on the river it's a split pot. Gus could only knock Koshi out with a deuce'' but doesn't Gus have 4 clubs? wouldn't a 5th club knock Koshi out?
gus has A of d and 2 of h.. koshi has A of h and K of c theres c c d on the board.. only person who can get a flush is koshi.. queen 2 or board pair saves gus
Hmm, I'm not in the Gus-bashing camp here, but I don't think *anyone* would have pushed here. You have to consider that Jason did 4-bet Gus on the flop. I'm not a tournament player but I most likely would have folded after a 4-bet with A2 here even in a heads up blinds vs blinds situation in cash game.
Also unlucky is not the same as a bad beat. A bad beat is putting your money in when you are ahead and then losing after. At no point in this hand, pre-flop or post-flop, was Gus ahead. He was a huge dog but I consider it mostly just unlucky that he was.
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for a guy who went all in with AK with a sweet looking flop for him, he sure didn't seem all that pleased, he seemed worried that the A2 might get lucky hahaha
Gus probably put him on a queen or some kind of low pair. Or maybe the guy had a tendency to bluff back at players. Who knows? I know I wouldn't fold three aces on the flop.
When i wanted to see this video, I get "An error occurred, please try again later." and that is not only by this video but by the most of the video's. Are there more people like me with that problem??
not true, hes playing mainly plo on ft and this game on that level vs durrrr, PA, ... u'll automatically have big swings. however, gus was up 1.8 mio some days ago.
Gus should have folded when he had 500 000$, but I guess he didn't put the guy on AK when he smooth called. If the other guy has something like A8, it probably is a split pot.
I will guess that it is the reason why he put it in.
we don't know his range but a normal guy would call with any ace it's blind vs blind... gus didn't think he had an ace that's it there's a flush draw also so he could had that
Seems to me like Gus should have known what kind of hand he had. I personally can't say much on it, because it really depends on how the guy plays. Tight aggressive? Then he probably has an ace (he might not be re-reraising with KQ or a mid pocket pair here). Loose aggressive? Then KQ or an ace seem possible. Gus should have taken into consideration how his opponent had been playing before shoving it all in. I can't think of many hands that Gus had beat, considering how the guy played it.
Never said I was the better player. Never even implied it. Perhaps you should actually read before making silly assumptions. There are many reasons Gus could have made the mistake, and it seems like it was a mistake. He could have been tired, or off his game thinking of something else.
I never once claimed, or even implied that I was a better player than Gus, so do not go putting words in my mouth.
He wasn't bluffing with his 3 aces....and when your opponent shows as much strength as Jason did, it's a horrible time to bluff. I guess he's putting Jason on a flush draw...
terrible call from gus im a pro believe me i masturbate on tarpet in my ceillar hole of horse in airplane crush the sky from above in vagina of your mother you understand?
guys shut the fuck up with he did stupid calls. he made good calls! he had triple aces tht is an amazing hand. i bet you would have done the same thing if u didnt kno the opponents cards.
trip aces with no kicker and the opponent keeps raising you...it's QQ or A3 or above...i was able to muck trips with no kicker playing online with fake money, and i was right...if you're playing for real money you don't bluff so hard more than once...gus is a pro and should know it, but he played this hand like a real donk.
the guy just called gus s raise with AK thats why gus didnt put him on it. Usually bb would reaise the sb in this scenario but amateur just called..thats were it went wrong for gus he probably put him on a Q
This "amateur" and many other pros don't always follow the standard betting patterns for exactly this reason. On those occasions when you disguise your hand well pre-flop and hit the board it can pay off big time.
idiot, i'm just saying that if it's a foldable hand after lots of raises with or without real money, and they're playing for an 8 million dollars prize, so it's even easier to fold...and add the fact that he's gus hansen...so please shut the fuck up and learn some manners, he played just bad and reckless, period.
Now when I am siting in my chair it is so obvious that this guy had AK,but who would fold A in this situation...
stankozability 2 months ago
In my humble opinion, with no disrespect intended, the fourth bet on the flop should maybe have sent Hansen a signal that his opponent doesn't have either KQ or a flushdraw.
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darlan787845 5 months ago
I'm not a 'youtube pro' or anything but I think in this case it was a hand that gus could have easily and should have got away from. Jason wouldn't have called pre without strong picture cards or a high pocket pair, and with a four bet (half of jason's stack) on the flop against an agressive player, I don't see how gus could've put him on anything except a stronger ace
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VicenzoV 7 months ago 13
when i read the title i thought it was Gus Hansen - Jason Mercier. not this asian dude
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champions20000009 8 months ago
that was an emotional play by Gus.. Should have never called the second raise from that guy with Ace deuce.. Was Poker 101 rules..
Totally got dunked out by this newbie..
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papichulobumber1 10 months ago
how does gus even have $500 to his name?
WereGlidingWithStyle 11 months ago
And the little sund in the end of the video and Gus head... Funny :)
ricsihawk 1 year ago
That never looked like Gus playing to his potential... None of his moves were thought out other than the first one.. contrary to his normal fashion when he reads the opponent waits n weighs and then makes a move..
alisikander 1 year ago
gus played very bad this hand, and jason was a stupid fish, so noob
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yutomic23 1 year ago
I think Gus is just trying to steal the pot pre-flop, then unluckily hits trips on the flop, I think he thinks that Jason is trying to defend his blind.
retroherb 1 year ago
Hate playing low aces.
lg123xyz 1 year ago
if the hands were reversed, i think jason would have played the exact same way.
imoshcom 1 year ago
@imoshcom if he was retarded
AugiTheGreat1 8 months ago
he obviously called thinking if the guy had an ace he is chopping the pot as the guy just flat called pre flop so its pretty hard to put him on AQ-AK.i love all the ppl saying what a donk fking youtube experts LOL probably cant even afford to buy into this tourney
andos8888 1 year ago
worst play ever seen by a great pro poker player, sory easy fold for someone like him
gunsblazin1000 1 year ago 2
sometimes i think Gus doesnt know what's he doing
Yurca 1 year ago
fuck no, i dont, i dont, i have an ace
palfyy123 1 year ago
when a guy re-raises your re-raise TWICE, thats literally screaming in your ear: I've got a better hand!!
tmc359 1 year ago 3
@tmc359 or im tom dwan and i own you lol
AugiTheGreat1 8 months ago
eh, he had the chips to look him up. i think he knew he was beat, but his curiosity got the better of him.
adam75south 1 year ago
in this situation AAA anyone of us would fold . so stop teach to Gus how to play
jerarbel 1 year ago
i wonder what gus was thinking
kalee6 1 year ago
gus is a donk with endless bank. Anyone whos seen him play @ full tilt will know what im talkn bout
BenKHouch 1 year ago
jason didnt reraise preflop with a big ace, gus mightve thought he had another weaker hand
krazyazn208 1 year ago
i think gus put jason on a royal flush draw
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@jparkfosho are you serious? :X
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ThePoker123456 1 year ago
bad done gus
voluptuoso64 2 years ago
gus thought the queen of the board will make a chop pot he dosnt think about an ak
Furthermore23 2 years ago
that doesn't make sense because even if he had maybe A10 then he would have AAAQ10 vs gus AAAQ2
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Randy1337 1 year ago
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WOW!!! the 'great dane' ('great donk' for me) didn't hit the magic deuce on the river!!!! omg this guy sucks at poker so much. and he is soooooo lucky!!!! i can't understand why people think he is good. gus and his friend tom 'durrr' dwan are real muppets!!! big losers in texas hold 'em and pl omaha. they are just rich guys having fun at the tables. AND THEY GET LUCKY VERY O F T EN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and they both have funny ears!!!!!!!!!!! L O L!!!!!!!!!
honda6697 2 years ago
hey doug lee, haven't we seen eachother on TV before?
OnePastMidnight 2 years ago 2
I think Gus should have been able to get away from this one. With the rookie consistently reraising him, I think it would be reasonable to conclude that the guy had an ace. Not only that, but he can also conclude that he is outkicked because Gus has a 2 as a kicker.
Disney312 2 years ago
@Disney312 Its heads up and 2 aces hit the board and your holding the ace. It is extremely unlikely he is holding one too.
Vamp118 2 years ago
Unlikely yes, but this is where the betting patterns come into play. Jason was consistenly reraising Gus, and doing so quickly without even thinking about it. That betting pattern should have been an indicator that the other player is holding an ace, or maybe even pocket queens, which would also have beat him because Jason would have had Queens full of Aces. Gus should have been able to get away from this one.
Disney312 2 years ago
@Disney312
The quick raise can mean a bluff or a monster as it suggests that the decision was simple. Very often it would be a bluff, because the player with a monster would stop to think how to get more chips out of it. Also we don't know how Jason played before the hand maybe he was aggressive stealing pots. The betting was pretty weird with the second reraise (why not a shove). I mean Jason was playing the hand so straightforward that it made it look suspicious unfortunately for Gus.
mourantell 1 year ago
@Vamp118 They went to the flop heads up, but the hand wasn't a heads up hand. The rest of the table folded. It is still unlikely he has the case ace, but if you always assume he doesn't you will lose huge amounts of chips. The guy never stopped raising, or even paused to think about it. That should have set off alarms.
Puddledive911 2 years ago
The reraise over reraise was very strange. Gus must have thought that he was trying to steal the pot without risking his tournament life
Eras0000000000r 2 years ago
Wow he didnt suck out, whats the matter with him?
ykyr 2 years ago
gus seems drunk?
sjovmaiin 2 years ago 3
juanniyo u r absolutely right man , he should have suspected the guy didnt reraise him twice just with a Q x ....and he said too .people keep calling him w AK (hand u wanna 3bet preflop for sure to know where u r at)...GL
r0mc0 2 years ago
I'm 100% sure Gus is way better than me at poker, but i'm surprised me that he didn't suspect that he could be beat here.
I'm not suggesting insta-fold, but couldn't he try to keep the pot small?
Any point you can give is welcome.
Thanks
juanniyo 2 years ago 3
No, your totally right! He should've been able to get away from that imo...
Come on, what else was the other guy calling pre flop with and raising and reraising after the flop with...?
wesleyhoulihan 2 years ago
what really makes him never contimplate folding is action is folded around to him in the small blind, with the AK in the bb, just unlucky flops a set and the other guy has him beat
drdr1212 2 years ago
"You said he's engaged? Aaah, enjoy it while you can buddy." hahaha
canadianmaple09 2 years ago 2
Gus made no mistake here, given his reputation Jason should have re-raised preflop with AK, or QQ because if he didnt connect he would have to fold to Gus. Thats why Gus dismissed those hands, and a weak ace was what Jason was probably holding. Gus was aiming for Jason to fold the weak ace as he did raise preflop and could have a bigger ace. His claim "if you got it you got it" confirms he would fold a weaker ace. Also worth a mention is that Gus would have good odds to tie against a weak ace.
loop3dotar 2 years ago
I had to search 4 hours until i ve found gus loosing like this
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stinky472 2 years ago
I love how people try giving poker advice, unless you're one of the pros, you're just like everyone else here watching the vid. You'd think Gus would lay it down but when you can't be arsed you can't be arsed, i've been there myself refusing to drop 83 after hitting trip 8s and ended up losing to A8.
AlwaysUnited 2 years ago
Gus should have been able to get away from it at some point. Fact. He's definitely capable.
Amaru19 2 years ago
I wanna play the wsop. Deepstack multi hour rounds. Super tight players, players making crazy moves.
voznow7 2 years ago 3
wow what a cooler
BugginOut420 2 years ago
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omg the same shit happend to me today playing on facebook
Raasser 2 years ago
if you ppl really think that gus played this hand well you are obviously big fishes.
with what do you think koshi would reraise him twice? a single queen? seriously he had to have him beat. either slowplayed queens and queens full or a better ace
noone would make such a play with KQ or something
OlliwinneR 2 years ago 6
@OlliwinneR
this is the main event , this guys played during days and days , this sb vs bb, there is only 4 Aces in the deck, I mean come on man if u wanna comment poker ok but u got to play poker , and obv ur not playin poker if u can say this kind bullshit
anyway FU moron, and F every "im the best " like u , u r nothing and absolutly not special, if u wanna play come on on fulltilt , ill find u...FISH
sickdoggg1 1 year ago
@sickdoggg1 haha easy man, u made it clear he`s a moron :P
SubDonnyzzzzz 1 year ago
@OlliwinneR
Btw ITS Better to Be a Fish Millionaire as a giver of youtube lessons :]
ceilan12 1 year ago 3
@OlliwinneR could not disagree more
t0m291 1 year ago
@OlliwinneR
Ahh it's pretty hard to put someone on the case Ace
Fkingm8s 1 year ago
@OlliwinneR That's pretty obvious..I mean even if gus just called the first reraise because the first reraise is pretty obvious in my opinion and gus can put out implied odds that if he hits his boat then he can take all of the other guy's stack..but I'm guessing after a couple of days of grinding out some poker can make ur head not think straight and gus must have just been tired..I can't say I would have called or folded or maybe lost the stack myself because I wasnt in that position...
gonelikedinner 1 year ago
@OlliwinneR You're a joke.
WaspSnG 11 months ago
@OlliwinneR
Ehh do you not think that gus thought maybe he had a5 or someting and was most likely gonna split the pot...Gus had to much in there to get away from a split pot!
bthegreat194 10 months ago
@OlliwinneR It was bad play, but sitting at the table you don't always have time to think shit through, the chance of 4 aces being on the table @flop is EXTREMELY low, so going by odds alone, i think most players would have done this, and assume he's sitting with maybe KK or QQ.
Weephoot 8 months ago
@Weephoot if the other guy was sitting on QQ your dead to his boat if he has kings theirs no way he is re raising you even against a loose player like gus .. ? you gotta figure his crazy or maybe TK of clubs for the Nut flush/gutter straight/ royal flush draw almost always your never too far ahead so yes bad play buy gus
AugiTheGreat1 8 months ago
@OlliwinneR why don't you say that his hand is played bad by Munns ? /watch?v=G5ASZKL01ss . Easy to speak when you see holecards.
Sarunikss 6 months ago
i would have done the same mistake of course ... after all what are the chances that Jason would have an Ace aswell?
Bad beat .. but well played ... this is a situation you can't get out of.
DAdZor 2 years ago
bad beat? do u know what are u talking about???? 0:38
supppersteve 2 years ago 3
bad beat? LOL this guy doesnt know wtf hes talking about thumbs down ftw.
wilsontieu 2 years ago
I don't know why you all argue with me .. and put thumbs down.
Imagine you fucking idiots floping 3 ACE's .. now what are the chances that your opponent in heads up has another ACE with a higher kicker.
The chances of that happening are very very low for god sakes .. i know you guys would have done the same mistake's as Gus if you flopped those ACE's ... i mean common... it's not the original bad beat or anything but try too see it from Gus's perspective and realize it you fucking moron.
DAdZor 2 years ago
dude it was obvious gus was beat. you don't play poker do you?
jimmydoolittle22 2 years ago
you people can't seem to fucking understand .. imagine you hit 3 aces on the flop .. now what are the chances of your opponent having another ace ....
You really won't fold 3 aces , and don't tell me you would and that you are better then gus hansen.
You talk shit because you can see his opponents cards and it's easy for you to judge and to say he was beat but try acting from hansens perspective without knowing your enemies cards.
Gosh i swear there is so much hatred and stupidity on youtube.
DAdZor 2 years ago
I play poker so I don't have to imagine. Hands like this happen a lot. What else do you think he could have had when he stacked off?
jimmydoolittle22 2 years ago
2 Aces Open.
I'm with an Ace. VERY bad Kicker.
Why doesn't it make sense that the other player also holds an ace (obviously with a greater Kicker than mine).
Makes a lot of senes to me.
Don't forget he raised and re-raised than he might have the Ace.
RockJohn89 2 years ago
actually, 10 or 9 handed its pretty easy for a good poker player to laydown A2 because anyone else with an ace has you beat (unless u have the same hand)
swingdocta 2 years ago 3
"What are the chances that Jason would have an Ace as well"?
Let's do the math:
52 cards in the deck.
9 players at the table, 2 cards each.
5 cards already known (Gus's hand and the flop).
So, assuming nobody folded an Ace, 18 out of 47, or a 38.3% chance that Jason would have the fourth Ace.
Then you think about other possibilities. Would Jason make such a big raise with queen(s)? Probably not, because Gus probably has an Ace.
Bad, but understandable, play by Gus.
Geotpf 2 years ago
Opps, minor mistake. 16 out of 47, not 18 out of 47. So 34.0%, not 38.3%. Also, if Jason had pocket Queens he would have had a full house and also beat Gus.
Geotpf 2 years ago
No offense intended, but I think your math is very off. Let's go with your very bold assumption that the first 7 players who folded before Gus in SB didn't have an ace. Given the flop, there will be 47 unknowns to Gus but with this assumption, there will be 14 unknowns we can eliminate as not containing an ace so 47-14=33 unknowns, one of which could be the 4th ace that Jason could have. The odds that Jason has this ace is 2/33 which is a 6% chance, quite different from 34%.
stinky472 2 years ago 2
Your calculation of 16/47 is the odds that any of the 8 other players could have the last ace, not the odds that Jason could have an ace. If we go with your assumption that the first 7 players didn't have an ace, that does not increase Jason's odds of having an ace to 16/47. It does, however, increase his odds from 2/47 (4.2%) to 2/33 (6%). To help understand, imagine all player's cards were face up except Jason's and we saw the flop. There will be 19 known cards and only one ace will be left...
stinky472 2 years ago
Well, let's look at it another way. After a bet, a raise, a reraise, and a rereraise, what are the chances that Jason didn't have another Ace, or pocket queens? That's a lot of chips to bluff. You could make an argument that Gus's first bet was correct, or even the second, but he shouldn't have made the rerereraise to put Jason all in. Yes, he was getting good value for his chips at that point. But he could have only beat a full on bluff.
Geotpf 2 years ago
On that part I fully agree. After a 4th bet from Jason, I think it is pretty safe for Gus to presume that he's beat. Just wanted to clear up the notion that it is highly probable mathematically for Jason to hold an ace here. It's only about a 6% chance.
stinky472 2 years ago 3
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stinky472 2 years ago
lmao "i wonder if hes listening to godsmack" hahaha thats a good 1 cause the guy from godsmack knocked him in an earlier tournament
BlizzCandy 2 years ago 2
bad play
PokerMashine 2 years ago 3
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At 2:25 Norman says ''If a queen or a trey comes on the river it's a split pot. Gus could only knock Koshi out with a deuce'' but doesn't Gus have 4 clubs? wouldn't a 5th club knock Koshi out?
DdragonforceF 2 years ago
gus has the ace of spades you tool, the ace of clubs is on board
blitz23ca 2 years ago 3
chill out? i didn't have my glasses on and the quality of the video is kind of low, hard to tell if it's a club or spade. no need to freak out
DdragonforceF 2 years ago
gus has A of d and 2 of h.. koshi has A of h and K of c theres c c d on the board.. only person who can get a flush is koshi.. queen 2 or board pair saves gus
Tayl012 2 years ago
Gus had an ace of spades
hellon9 2 years ago
no koshi has a club
gus had heart and spade
gnikpac 2 years ago
wow, incredibly bad beat. ANYONE would have pushed everything with ace trips on the flop
cresfresh552 2 years ago
Hmm, I'm not in the Gus-bashing camp here, but I don't think *anyone* would have pushed here. You have to consider that Jason did 4-bet Gus on the flop. I'm not a tournament player but I most likely would have folded after a 4-bet with A2 here even in a heads up blinds vs blinds situation in cash game.
stinky472 2 years ago
Also unlucky is not the same as a bad beat. A bad beat is putting your money in when you are ahead and then losing after. At no point in this hand, pre-flop or post-flop, was Gus ahead. He was a huge dog but I consider it mostly just unlucky that he was.
stinky472 2 years ago
Brilliant limp there with the ace king.
Norman Chad never runs out of marriage jokes.
gazz12345a 2 years ago
07 main event?
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SaicoLoco 2 years ago
jason is a great name
gunsblazin1000 2 years ago
its greek .. thats why
SuNSeTbEaTS 2 years ago
very funny when Gus raise preflop to steal the big blind. out position with A-2.
methmade 2 years ago
for a guy who went all in with AK with a sweet looking flop for him, he sure didn't seem all that pleased, he seemed worried that the A2 might get lucky hahaha
rchan0 2 years ago
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blazedawg1973 2 years ago
never if you are not so good as Hansen....
z0ksz 2 years ago
three aces on the flop- you telling me you wouldnt play that?
mcoops89 2 years ago
not that agressively
hellon9 2 years ago
lol why was this video posted?
dannyboy12357 2 years ago 3
Gus probably put him on a queen or some kind of low pair. Or maybe the guy had a tendency to bluff back at players. Who knows? I know I wouldn't fold three aces on the flop.
f8twista 2 years ago
wow wouldnt believe gus could make such a shitty call
awrm 2 years ago
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stinky472 2 years ago
Yeah if there weren't 2 clubs out there I'm sure Gus could get away from it pretty easily.
WarnerKrause 2 years ago
hard for gus to get away from this imo this is a flush draw so much of the time
andos8888 2 years ago
I woulda' put him on Queens prolly, but I might've still called :D
SuperChuck3 2 years ago
bad play from Gus, maybe he must read his book another time.... :P
Sn88ker 2 years ago
Just fold to the 400k re-re-raise. I mean he has an A pretty much 100% of the time. Bad move by Hansen
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pokerworld2009 2 years ago
with the queen on the board gus is thinking is probably a split pot. he puts him on a5 a6 ...inmho
smotpoker00 2 years ago
no way, he still would be behind...AAAQ6 vs AAAQ2
MrCheckRaise1 2 years ago
AAAQ9
mushroombest2002 2 years ago
LOL true, misread it :D
MrCheckRaise1 2 years ago
Yeah but the point is the river card splits for any card 7 or above (in this hypothetical scenario)
nobodymm 2 years ago
Oh i see you realized
nvm dude
nobodymm 2 years ago
Good play by Koshi! I think most people would have re-raise Gus here.
youngdrom 2 years ago
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DJBouncey 2 years ago
was expecting gus to suck out there
precious32879 2 years ago 13
Me too. LoL.
DJBouncey 2 years ago
When i wanted to see this video, I get "An error occurred, please try again later." and that is not only by this video but by the most of the video's. Are there more people like me with that problem??
Partyworker80 2 years ago
stfu
element727 2 years ago 2
GUS IS A MTRFKER. HE S SUCHA LOSER AT FT Poker these days losing every session more than 400000$ online. HAHA WHAT A HORRIBLE PRO
Grillchef18 2 years ago
not true, hes playing mainly plo on ft and this game on that level vs durrrr, PA, ... u'll automatically have big swings. however, gus was up 1.8 mio some days ago.
losangeles6189 2 years ago
he's actually up more than 3 million.
MrCheckRaise1 2 years ago
fu all
you have no freaking idea what you are talking about freak men
striker768 2 years ago
Gus should have folded when he had 500 000$, but I guess he didn't put the guy on AK when he smooth called. If the other guy has something like A8, it probably is a split pot.
I will guess that it is the reason why he put it in.
leolauzon 2 years ago
In that case, he should have just called.
spistac 2 years ago
Not really, if the guy has A8, he will probably fold when Gus pushes all-in. The only hands he can call with are AK, AQ, QQ and maybe AJ.
leolauzon 2 years ago
fair enough
spistac 2 years ago 3
we don't know his range but a normal guy would call with any ace it's blind vs blind... gus didn't think he had an ace that's it there's a flush draw also so he could had that
Agasajo 2 years ago
gus realized he made a bad move as soon as he put his chips in. at least he saw it coming
imawesomelikethat 2 years ago
Seems to me like Gus should have known what kind of hand he had. I personally can't say much on it, because it really depends on how the guy plays. Tight aggressive? Then he probably has an ace (he might not be re-reraising with KQ or a mid pocket pair here). Loose aggressive? Then KQ or an ace seem possible. Gus should have taken into consideration how his opponent had been playing before shoving it all in. I can't think of many hands that Gus had beat, considering how the guy played it.
soulhunger1 2 years ago
wow,
maybe YOU should be playing for millions instead of him! YOU'RE obviously the better player here!
torontobluered 2 years ago
Never said I was the better player. Never even implied it. Perhaps you should actually read before making silly assumptions. There are many reasons Gus could have made the mistake, and it seems like it was a mistake. He could have been tired, or off his game thinking of something else.
I never once claimed, or even implied that I was a better player than Gus, so do not go putting words in my mouth.
soulhunger1 2 years ago
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GUS=JOKE
netelerpl 2 years ago
You=nerd
MercurialLamb 2 years ago 2
A2 is trouble, unless it's Omaha hi-lo.
Gus was obviously thinking about the great side game going on the time he played that hand...
AAJ10ds 2 years ago
this jason guy definitely gave gus a few opportunities to get away from the hand
rogertheboxer 2 years ago
One the guy raised to 550k, was there really any chance of him being weaker than AT? Probably not.
Crocodile25 2 years ago
bluff? I don't know.
torontobluered 2 years ago
He wasn't bluffing with his 3 aces....and when your opponent shows as much strength as Jason did, it's a horrible time to bluff. I guess he's putting Jason on a flush draw...
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PietsWorld 3 years ago
terrible call from gus im a pro believe me i masturbate on tarpet in my ceillar hole of horse in airplane crush the sky from above in vagina of your mother you understand?
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willemrules 3 years ago
Gus playing a Gus hand, Ohhhhhhhhhhhh Dear!
Cannot win them all.
mr2gti 3 years ago 2
guys shut the fuck up with he did stupid calls. he made good calls! he had triple aces tht is an amazing hand. i bet you would have done the same thing if u didnt kno the opponents cards.
KhaniSpearman4life 3 years ago
da chances of da otha guy havin an ace too is like 1 in 100 so dat would be any 1 here's instinct 2 make dat call
beanershot2007 3 years ago
trip aces with no kicker and the opponent keeps raising you...it's QQ or A3 or above...i was able to muck trips with no kicker playing online with fake money, and i was right...if you're playing for real money you don't bluff so hard more than once...gus is a pro and should know it, but he played this hand like a real donk.
MrCheckRaise1 3 years ago
True but folding trips with no kicker isn't that big of an accomplishment.
sjsawyer 3 years ago
the guy just called gus s raise with AK thats why gus didnt put him on it. Usually bb would reaise the sb in this scenario but amateur just called..thats were it went wrong for gus he probably put him on a Q
mickstakes 3 years ago
This "amateur" and many other pros don't always follow the standard betting patterns for exactly this reason. On those occasions when you disguise your hand well pre-flop and hit the board it can pay off big time.
iceddante 2 years ago 4
A good comment, at last!
wolfking2 2 years ago
The guy could've had a lot of crappy Aces, particularly suited ones. Just a very awkward situation.
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TheHappyKenyan 3 years ago
idiot, i'm just saying that if it's a foldable hand after lots of raises with or without real money, and they're playing for an 8 million dollars prize, so it's even easier to fold...and add the fact that he's gus hansen...so please shut the fuck up and learn some manners, he played just bad and reckless, period.
MrCheckRaise1 3 years ago
don forget its SB vs BB.
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pokerworld2009 3 years ago
"oh you have ace king ok i'm dead"
theshredda 3 years ago 2