PMQs 12th November 2008

[00jostan]

5 mins in Cameron gets pretty angry! (rightly so)

[SPUDS1983]

6.22 alistair darlings phone is going off. Listen carefully

[TheBashed9]

both parties are total crap , but why people support labour is beyond a laugh

[steps1]

Gordon's Brown behaviour in this clip is disgusting. He should be ashamed of himself. Let me point out to everyone what happened in the afternoon after this PMQs: Labour realised that they were in the wrong and that Cameron had expressed the horror the public was feeling and ordered a full and proper inquiry.

Thank God Cameron was there.

[sahilshetty26]

Whteva people say...Labour party is doing its best 2 face the current economic turmoil..the conservatives if ne1 has studies economics and does understand it screwed up the economy whenever they were in power and prioritized wrong things in front of bigger issues..so cheers 2 labour party

[Grog85]

@sahilshetty26 Labour may be doing it's best to solve the issue, however it was Labour who got us in to this problem in the first place.

[goodlad22]

dont vote any one thats what i say.

puppets for the n w o

[TheDustpile]

LEFT WING C*NTS are the ones responsible for many deaths a year under Labour councils.

Labour have fleeced the Public and more besides. All the Tory predictions in '97 came true with a vengeance.

Paste into the bar TURD PARADE PART 2; THE DIVINE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SHARON SHOESMITH to see more of what they have done.

[StewieGriffin9000]

DON'T VOTE CONSERVATIVE! Labour is the lesser of two evils. They may be incompetent, but the country is doomed under Conservative rule! I REPEAT: DON'T VOTE CONSERVATIVE!

[Kokoots]

Yeah, let's all vote for another 5 years of lies, incompetence, uncontrolled immigration, repeat offenders walking free from prison, unemployment etc, etc....

[9davl12a]

Vote Conservative

Labour isnt working!!!

[nightslayer]

conservatives wont work either lets all not vote!

[soldoutrules]

lets vote ukip, at least they will do something

[9davl12a]

I love it when people say that they are going to leave the country when the Conservatives get in because it brings joy to me that there is one less person who is going to vote Labour

[TheMattist]

hes such a smug twat. cannot wait to leave this country when the tories get in power.

[SAFCJIMBOB]

WELL VOTE LABOUR NEXT YEAR MATE..

[rkcabc123]

Unfortunate how many members of the public are duped by cameron's smug arsed pluminess.

[goldstrom3]

Incompetent or not, social workers did not kill baby P

[nasbensohaib]

dont trust cameron,brown seems more genuine

[gregorioallegri]

Genuinely awful.

[SAFCJIMBOB]

HEAR HEAR...VOTE LABOUR 2010..

[danj85]

Does that daft c*nt ever answer a single f*cking question?! (And I used to vote Labour...)

ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!

[sayyid99]

Brown is such a twat

Moral compass my a**

[steps1]

Gordon Brown was shameful..funny how hours after this the government realised that the public mood was with Cameron and they got their bottoms in gear..Brown is a farcical PM

[skeletorphd]

And incidently, all those supporting Labour.

Find the point where Gordon Brown answers ANY of the actual questions that were asked.

Question 1 - no

Question 2 - no

Question 3 - no

Question 4 - no

Question 5 - Helll no!

Question 6 - no

Question 7 - no

In fact, all you Labour supporters, dredge Youtube and find ONE instance where a Labour politician has answered the question asked.

[philosopherking34]

Show me a politician who answers the question he/she has been asked, and I will show you a liar. Politicians do not answer questions, that's their skill. The art of politicking

[skeletorphd]

Fair point, well made. Although David Davis seems to do OK.

[GAGJ42]

And Tories are any better? At least Labour follow their own beliefs/(what they think is best for the country) and don't just take opposing policies to Labour.

[markyboy1704]

well isn't that why they are the opposition, because they have opposing policies?

Labours only belief is that the worker should share his/her wealth with the non workers ie those who don't want to work.

[gregorioallegri]

It would be difficult for Labour to oppose Labour. Although I supposse they may as well join in, everyone else opposes them.

[AndrewBenMcKay]

....Not true

[skeletorphd]

Unbelivable how crass Gordon Brown can be. David Cameron was asking a question about a emotive subject which you can see he was genuinly unhappy about.

We are used to Labour politicians, admittedly skillfully, avioding questions. But to then accuse the guy of politicising it AND not even having the decency to apologise, even if it just simply wasn't meant the way it sounded.

I thought Cameron was gonna knock him out and I would have backed it.

[kahuna390]

i think cameron should be a bit more sensitive about he issue. and that he should acknowledge that brown has the best policy and not just try to clear his own name of party politics.

[idlevice066]

sensitive about the issue? He is genuinly upset about this!!!

[yahoooutstanding]

right up til about 4 minutes. Shameful

[yahoooutstanding]

Brown handles this topic so much more respectfully than Cameron. You can hear it in his voice. Nice to see that whilst Cameron was introducing the topic that there was silence from everyone.

[firebreathone2]

Cameron was clearly NOT playing party politics. Too bad Brown is not man enough to say that he wasn't playing party politics

[kahuna390]

maybe cameron was not man enough to admit that browns proposal was the right way to go and that cameron kept on about the party politics acusation because he couldnt admit this.

[zonianfjb]

yeah, or maybe it was because brown's proposal was not enough and cameron was fed up with a malicious f*ckwit

[gregorioallegri]

Unfortunately with Brown everything is party politics. He makes a point of it in Commons debates (especially PMQs). Other people have said that even at private functions whilst supporters of all sides 'mingle' Brown refuses to speak to anyone but Labour supporters and politicians. He prefers to talk about Tory policies because he can overlook the faults of his own.

[lowestoftbus]

WTF. Cameron wants to make cuts lets buy him some scissors

[UKSecretCourts]

Public scrunity of social workers is needed. They lie, cheat, ignore the facts and still maintain their jobs.

Google for Camilla Cavendish and the Times campaign against secret courts.

Sign the Sun campaign for Baby P.

Social workers are arrogant, and incompetent - baby P is the victim, but there are many more, (hidden by gagging orders).

Time to make social workers accountable - and clean up the system failure of the SS (social services).

Incompetent social workers must be sacked.

[thatboffjosh]

Cameron treats this like a witch hunt, i dont like it one bit.

[ngai1842]

dave is gaining weigh

[69Bluntsmoka420]

Time for him to lay off the cheeseburgers and start hitting the treadmill.

[RulleBrittania]

conservative all the way!!

[jimbo1066]

David Cameron smug bellend

[NuttyPope]

I am with Cameron 100% on this one

[jbgood3]

Where are all those "caring" leftist champaign socialist rock stars now? Sitting on their hands? Time to make a song and stand with fathers rights groups who are trying to stop this happening.

[LebaneseBrit]

The day Gordon Browns credibility died.

Cameron wasnt even attacking Brown, yet Brown felt the need to twist things around in order to score points over the Conservatives.

Just look at the way Brown appears immune to the whole tragic case. Its like water off a ducks back. Contrast this with Cameron throwing his notes to one side in anger.

As the leader of HM Opposition and a father of three, would these do-gooders prefer him not to ask questions the whole nation is demanding?

[thatboffjosh]

I am inclined to agree with you, but do you not think cameron may have thrown his notes to one side in a way gain credability?

[LebaneseBrit]

Hard to say. I've watched this time and time again and it does seem to be a genuine outburst of anger.

Nonetheless, it doesn't detracted from the fact that Gordon Brown comes across as a cold-hearted politician.

If Cameron hadn't have got angry then we would all be having a go at him for being out of touch with the public mood.

Virtually everyone I have spoken to about Baby P has got angry about this case. Not one has implied that we should put our faith in the inquiry and just move on.

[thatboffjosh]

Well all i can say is i disagree, emotion isnt the way to govern a country. Brown is either a good worker but doesnt use spin, or just hiding from the fire.

I guess we will find out.

[LebaneseBrit]

You're right. All politicians should behave like robots.

Without emotion, without feeling and without any experiences of real life. That way we would all sleep easier in our beds.

[Indiangyaldem]

Baby P's mother Tracey Connolley became a mother at 17 with her first child. She had Baby P at 24 and then wanted a divorce with Baby P's father because she met someone else STEPHEN BARKER (she gave birth to his child whilst in custody) his brother is JASON OWEN BARKER. They should all be named and shameD!!

[AuroraABC]

THE MOTHER OF BABY P WAS *NOT* 17!

She was a married woman in her 20's when she had Baby P.

[Moviemaker809]

I Ant Scared of the Police by naming baby p killers there are as follows Tracey connolly and Steven Barker of Penhurst rd tottenham jason owen is the paedo living with them R.I.P Baby P

[KineticFrenetic]

In this day and age, it's just not financially sound to spend more money to protect child abusers than children. Then again, that's how it's always been. TV, gym, food, private security, anonymity, new life, and all taken out of my paycheck.

Sorry, mates. Economy is going to shit. Should've abused a child another day. Here's the zoo. There's the lion cage. He's a hungry fella, because we've cut back on food supplies. Guess what? You're dinner. Good day.

[checkmateblue]

"We have taken immediate action to set up an independent enquiry" - oh well that's ok then - I shall sleep better now I know there's another independent enquiry!

[Mercdriver8Herk]

His name is Peter, may he rest in peace.

His mother and stepfathers name are Tracey Connolly and Steven Barker, who will hopefully rot in hell very soon.

[cambridgechris]

I read that the costs to councils of taking court action against suspected abusive parents has increased 25-FOLD from £100 per case to a sickening £2'500. How could a council like Haringey that is deprived financially, intellectually (one in four social worker posts are vacant at that council) and arguably morally, possibly take action over Baby Peter or Victoria Climbie?

Once again this Labour lunatic asylum puts MONEY BEFORE PEOPLE.

The only word I can think of is SICKENING.

[deathproof77]

government ministers were warned about baby p, months before he died but they did nothing. Ever since they have tried to brush this under the carpet, but now theve been exposed fo the incompetent liars that they are. No-one can even hold there hands up and say they made mistakes. What is this society coming to?

[StopUnumNow]

I.M.O. those who are responsible for creating the mess continue to hide behind the limited liability of their organizations or public offices, escaping personal accountability for the truly shocking demise [financial and otherwise] of our western democratic society.

This is another unbelievable disgrace and those responsible have the sheer audacity to claim they did nothing wrong.

[pogsboo]

wow!! will Gordon Clown ever answer a straight question with out going around the bush?? well will be Obama...god help us all!!!!Brown and Browner....But not Black Obama...we is all fcuked and they make a mint!!!!!

[m4stre]

your damn right its a political issue "Mr Brown",a baby has been tortured on your watch,WE the electorate put you there & WE the electorate across the country are SICKENED by whats happened & what those responsible included Haringey council dealt with accordingly.

[Arcturo766]

c the supposed social service folk who were involved in the welfare of baby P. Brown should demand them sacked, he is a spineless buffoon who hasn't got a clue how to be prime minister, get the fat useless twat out of office quick stix all he does is lie thru his back teeth and rip everyone off,he is at the root of all of Britain problems, a festering cancerous growth which needs removing.

[dunandusted]

Cam has no answer for the economic crisis and all he can do is play on the death of a baby? Gordon said, wait for the report.

[Arcturo766]

thats all Gordon ever does...wait... he dithers on everything,the baby died at the least he should demand those in the wefare department be suspended,Cameron might not have much idea how to sort Browns financial mess out but does Brown? he is clutching at straws,he could makea good start by withdrawing the troops from afghanistan and Iraq,why fight terrorism over there when he let all the cunts in to Britain anyway?

[dunandusted]

Do you hold a British passport?

[Arcturo766]

yes i am 100% british though it's not something to be proud of.

[dunandusted]

Grey skies and all that it means, tea, Wimbeldon, good manners. In the event of a national crisis, we stand by Queen and country... I may not be there but, I think about the boys in Iraq... I am proud of this land, this country, this life and it is worth fighting for...

[Arcturo766]

fuck the queen she is just a glorified dole dosser along with the rest of her family. England is a dull place to live,everything costs a fortune and there is not a great deal of fun to be had,the streets are full of gangs who should be lined up and shot and it's full of immigrants,eventually the pakis will take over the areas which they haven't done already,they bear more children than our indigenous population so it stands to reason that one day they will rule,England is dead

[mnipgailid]

1) she bring in more money than she takes out

2) you obviously need to get out more then

3) less gangs than you would think

4) immigration laws are getting tougher.

5) Stop reading the daily mail

[dunandusted]

A---766: Turn the computer off and go watch Noddy or Lala... Ask mummy to make you a bottle and some tubbie toast.

Your dummy is still where you threw it. Mummy should wash it first...

[paulcage79]

you mean 'YOUR LIFE' is dull and YOU are no fun.

''full of immigrants'' - what a stupid thing to say. we are a country of immigrants!

we are all immigrants,its just a question of when our ancestors arrived. how long does it take for an immigrant to become an established member of society? one generation? two?

England is not dead ...your sole is though

[Arcturo766]

my sole is dead?? you mean the bottom of my shoe is dead? lord have mercy! don't you mean my soul,England is full of inbred fuckwits like you and i have to endure living amongst you sad knackers,young upstarts who think they are tough,the war veterans must be so sad to realise they fought against invading armies to keep Britain a great nation only for it to succumb to the shithole it is.

[pogsboo]

ERRR your brain is dead!!!!you are a red neck fuck head and i would kick your fcuking @ss,to kick your brain back up to your head...but a scumbag like you is just a RACEIST!!!THAT HAS NO PLACE IN MY!!!!!! COUNTRY ......SO FCUK OFF BACK TO YOUR OWN PLACE OF BIRTH!!!!!and DIE!!!

[pogsboo]

sorry dude i was just looking at the "my soul is dead" msg and thought you was having a go at...us True English/british?Scots,ect...un­till a went down...So No worries...sorry for my gaff...

[Arcturo766]

i was having a go at yanky doodle fuckin dandy paulcage79 just cos he has spent 2 years in England he thinks he knows it like the back of his hand,the prat probably never went outside of London,and if your calling me racist no i am not my wife is black,but then again i do hate pakis,or at least the young pricks who drive around town in imprezas blasting shite music out wishing they were 50Cent.

[pogsboo]

sorry again dude..my eyes eed to look faster than my fingers type...."live long and prosper".....

[dunandusted]

Yup, you are play, play, playing...

Well done Gordon, its wrong for Cameron to keep on and on at this time. Lets hear proper questions about the economy...

[mattevans72]

Bottler Brown. Can't even answer a simple question. This Labour Government is not fit for purpose and needs to go.

[ptpt1]

You tell him Dave.

[crawleygat37]

Enquiry report acted. RUBBISH.. LABOUR runs this council. A labour run department. Pour more and more money in. Tax tax tax, waste waste waste. And ANOTHER Labour department FAILS. Fails to do the precise thing for which it is intended. To protect children. The MOST vulnerable people in our society. Opertunity after opportunity missed. I hope when the mother of this Baby P ends up in prison, the other inmates find out who she is and deal with her..!!

[lillabethsmum]

It's bound to happen again, there was a case in the 80's a little girl called Jasmine Beckford and others before her. Every time we hear of a baby being abused and tortured the details get more and more horrific :(

[MaDMatteH]

M M M MM MM MM  Mista Speakar!

[cncxgrinder]

i feel total outrage at the death of this child.the social services should hang there heads in shame. the government should act quickley to get to the bottom of this disgusting failiure. but david cameron lost any credibility to be the future priminister after the political point scoreing over this poor childs death. to loose his temper and sweep his paper to the floor shows total stupidity. if you want to be priminister start acting like one cameron

[crazyjedimindtrick]

Stupid Cameron Twat.

[Calloo7]

you ignorant twat! what did cameron do wrong?! Brown refused to answer a proper question smug bastard

[dragonlee90]

Exactly. Mr Cameron was not playing party politics at all. He was asking questions. Mr Brown was expecting economic questions. His monotone, robitic and unemotional response is a testament to the man's incompetence and his complete separation from the electorate. Cameron didn't even notes to address the point, whereas Brown, even though he had notes, stumbled around, refusing to condemn the bastards responsible for the baby's death. Brown should go now.

[paulcage79]

why tho?

[pogsboo]

well if Cameron is a twat for sticking up for the rights of little kids then you are one that is part of the problem!!!bet you are a the next we here about!!!..you are just as bad as the SCUM!!!! that killed this little boy....hope you DIE SOON!!!!!

[crazyjedimindtrick]

That's a bit strong don't you think?, wishing death on a person that doesn't agree with your views, you Tories are all the same. Rotten to the Core!

[pogsboo]

Yep that's right all Tories are rotten to the core!!New Labour and your God Gordon Brown are the all good in the world and never do or say a bad or rotten thing!!!Bet you got a Pic of the PM and front Bench on your Ceiling??and you seem to not like the fact that Clown Brown would not answer any direct question from D.C.nothing new there then!!!and the ref to "die soon" using this site to say the death of this poor child,and you would know what it was like..think its kind of joke!.PFT!.. (-5)

[Pitcairn2]

Look at Brown and Darling sitting behind- matching purple ties..

[crazyool]

Cameron da man!

[Jemz011]

the one thing gordon brown is good at- avoiding the question! Has anyone seen the whole of 2days PMQ? brown jst looks a prat cos his responses are completely irrelevant to the questions!

[Jemz011]

People say David Cameron is impossible to relate to and out of touch with the people, but the more i watch and listen to Brown the more it appears that HE is out of touch with the people! he comes across as very insensive, and arogant. Im a labour supporter but i really wouldnt mind tory getting in at the next general election

[PeaceinUK]

Cameron was spot on with this. Brown has shown himself, yet again, to be completely out of touch with the mood of the British public. Brown's response was shamefully pathetic.

[paul1847]

O...and jbgood3's point about the speaker's bias towards Brown is absolutely right. Shame on Michael Martin.

[paul1847]

Charles Clarke once said that Gordon Brown is 'psychologically flawed'. This shameful episode demonstrates why. The sooner we get rid of this nutter, the better.

[jbgood3]

Brown attempted to sidetrack the issue by upping the ante and making it a party political issue and to further enrage Cameron. He refused to withdraw because in his strange mind he is never wrong. In other words, he used Baby P's death as a vehicle to play games with the opposition. Disgusting, insensitive, childish, manipulative behaviour from someone who is clearly not suitable for the job. The speaker should have ordered him to withdraw but he is part of the charade.

[dragonlee90]

Unlike the honourable Betty Boothroyd, who was also a Labour member, the Speaker Michael Martin is completely biassed towards Labour. He held up Mr Cameron over him questioning Tony Blair over Gordon Brown being the future PM, yet he won't ever apprehend Gordon Brown for never answering a question, even questions as heartfelt and emotive as this one. One can easily see Cameron is deeply upset and shocked by this, and Brown's response, hence the anger, but Brown was disgraceful.

[0darroch]

Brown overstepped the mark there, and should have retracted the statement, but political pride stopped him. It's disgusting.

[Pitcairn2]

Not political pride, but stubborn weakness. He can never admit he made a mistake.

[RenegadeEconomist]

Gordon Brown puts his political career over the welfare of the British people.

[mbb05jb]

that comment sums up perfectly the situation at the moment