Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians should work together not constantly make fun of each other. Cause we all know that sooner or later the Big Bear will come again and 1 by 1 we fall and the history repeats itself. But yeah, baltic ppl are just either too ingorant or arrogant to see this.
the only argument russians have against us, baltic people - their population is 20x bigger. Does this argument give them any right to hate us and our independance, as they always do ? Or to spread a lie all around, as they have a whole federal support for their ideological atacs? Who knows... maybe, if they still live under law ofa Jungles.
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They all live in russia? That saying baltic who only gloryfing nazzi fashiszm. Who gave green lite to nazzi parade? Who put russian veteren in jail, just becase he kill nazzi scum in the war?You who hate people from russia? You who have untermansh policy to as you call-aliens? You can minus me as much as you want, but that vidio is realy show your nazzi seing of the russian, as hitlers call them hord. You relly lern it good/
only thing is NAZIs and SOVIETS are really good friends, they both secretly started WW2 together... (molotov ribbentrop) so when soviets talk about how they saved u from nazis you must first remember that they "gave" half of Europe to nazis-they take other half. soviets&nazis are lovers...both too greedy&only fought because each wanted more than they agreed in the begging... both are equal bastards, but soviets are worse murderers in the same amount of time.and at least germans have war guilt..
Reality is, that soviets and nazies were allies. not balts... it's enough of video documentary for your attention about that, even there in YouTube, if your KGB allows you to browse, of course... check by tag 'German and Soviet forces partition Poland'
The thing is - I do not have to prove anything.The arguement is automatically won if you fail to prove your positive statement.And yes,I do not have anything better to do.
By the way - if you are here to win, not tell your opinion, then I feel sad about you if your victories are restricted to the comments section (sorry, if I'm wrong).
By the way sobeyboyzz, if you think that comparing horse shit to elephant shit is equivalent, then good luck. Both: USA and Russia did harm to the world, but it is not equally comparable.
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You are able to understand that but chose to spam the comment section I according to you I should do that too. Well, I won't. Comparing horse shit and elephant shit is not my hobby.
Leaving so soon?A pity...It was interesting to look at your fallacy-filled arguments.Anyway,I will remain here,in case someone else tries to show just how interested they are in a good arguement.
Not leaving, just paying no attention to you. You see, we both have fallacy-filled agruments but it seems that only I have to publish some "expert analysis". I think you will agree it is not very fair from the opponent.
In generally, all baltic people always remember only USSR conserning all deadly sins when USA really was more agressive during 20th century. And of course they always forget exactly soviet soldiers put an end to fascism in Europe. They even don't know the most of their own partisans fought on side of germans and sometimes robbed civilian population. It was proved in Nurmberg trial.
So it could be said their media is controled by government mostly.
You think you know us better that us? Most of your facts about history are fictional.
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As for our partisans - it never happened: they did not fought on German side and never robbed their own people (who gave them support). For words ike this you deserve a kick to the head or at least a good punch. I said that before.
Mantux, it's not me, you think you know us better than we. "Nashi" is not fascist group, they condemn fascists the same. I live in Russia, and i know, what i say. There aren't european democraces without our victory from fascism and without 30 mln died. If you really think wrong you are very brainwashed.
My facts are fictional? From Nurmberg? If your government don't believe Nurmgerg trial, i'm very sorry for you.
About your partisans was proved in Nurmberg. How can you argue with such proofs?
Listen, you russian nazi piece of shit, there is NOTHING in Nuremberg about that. You are bluffing, you fucking fascist cunt. Can you show me at least one Nuremberg document about Lith partisans cooperating with nazis? Go now, cunt.
BTW, have you noticed I answered all of your arguments (you can criticise my opinion but the facts remains the same) while you and LuckyStudent paid no attention to mine arguments?
It is easy to pull out one sentence and discuss about it forgeting the reason from which it all began.
Actually, you have not.Your initial argument was that Russia is fascist.And mine that it is not.You not only have failed to provide proof for any of your statements,but even to define fascism.Somehow I have trouble believing that you have realised that russia is fascist after reading wikipedia.If you really think that I did not pay any attention to your arguments/facts,then please list them here.I can wait.
Wrong again - my argument was that Russia is more fascist that any other country (except of totalitarian and authoritarian regimes).
In fact Russia is prone to fascism (not fascist) and here's another bone for you to eat (I don't have that much time to spare to argue about everything): the youth group called "Nashi" or PutinJugend as Western contries call them. Influence to the youth was the main lever to control the nation by A.Hitler.
That does not matter that much,though I admit a slight misplacement of words on my behalf.Your statement is positive,therefore you bear the burden of proof.If you want to prove that the Nashi movement is in any way similiar to Hitler youth,please provide experts analysis on that matter and well see what comes out of it.
Also, I live in the West and have never heard such an expression.
I am more used to getting my info from independent internet news agencies.And believe it or not,most of the are what you would call pro-russian.And i am not talking about the russian ones.I am talking about english,american ones.Such a huge difference between mainstream and internet media,you know?
By the way, Lithuanians (Latvians and Estonians) pay less attention in what the neighbouring country does and concentrates into working for his own fortune.
Russians, however, think we can't manage without their opinion. Well, guess what - we can!
That's probably why average Baltic citizen lives better that average Russian (I am sure you have a list of who to blame for that, but keep this for yourdself).
Well,first of all do you really think you know who exactly I am?If not,please do not classify me as Russian.
Second of all,there are only three conflicts not started by the US in this list(and I challenge you to find them XD).
Third of all,I am not blaming anyone for anything.I am just saying that if you qualify a country as "fascist" for starting conflicts,then USA should be first in your list.
The list of the conflicts I wrote is not full - they're just the ones, which strongly affected our country. I am sure you have more time than me to find them.
I told you to DO RESEARCH and list ALL of the conflicts.I thought I stressed that enough.if you want to participate in a debate and be taken seriously,then you might want to back up your statements.You know,just a little?
I did not say this is the only attribute. Many large countries were starting and getting involved in the conflicts throughout the history.
In addition , if you are not able to find the difference among the consequences of those conflicts that USA and Russia had started, then I have nothing more to talk to you.
I beg your pardon?Are you really better off living in Estonia,where the number of infected by swine flu is double the number of infected in Russia,where economic downfall started before the crisis,where left and right political parties form joined governments unlike anywhere else in the world(probably just to seize power)and where education level was once compared to the one of african countries?
Or in Latvia,which has asked numerous companies and countries to buy them out?
...or are you better live in Russia where you can be easily killed for you skin color? Or arrested for criticising government? Or living in a remote town thinking how to feed your family?
Statistically one Estonia a year emmigrates Russia and 50% of Russian people would go living somewhere else if only they could.
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Crisis is everywhere, mister economist, the downfall does not reflect the quality of the living.
Just prove all of that.I can prove my facts easily.And I can prove that in Estonia the downfall DOES affect the quality of life.Because you know,when it started,America,Russia and lots of EU members started throwing a vast amount of their funds to support employment and continue social support for the population.What do the balctic leaders do?They decrease pentions and issue employment laws that allow the employer to fire anyone without any reprecautions whatsoever.
Well, it's a long discussion (probably not for the comments section at all), so I'll try to state case in short.
Both (USA and Russia) were involved in many conflicts. They were mostly for influence spheres or strategical resources. But Russia did some "more"; it is: occupation, genocide, ruining the nations (by deportations and bringing new inhabitants), consolitating dictatorship regime and many more.
So that is your genocide? I thought we're talking about nowaday situation. I never mentioned what Russia did half thousand years ago. You are stange person.
3.Nation ruination These actually follow each other Persian Gulf War, Iraq, 1991 Operation Desert Shield, 1991 Operation Desert Storm, 1991 Somali Civil War, 1992 - 1994 Operation Provide Relief, 1992 Operation Restore Hope, 1992 - 1994 Yugoslav wars, 1994 - 1999 Bosnian Conflict, 1994 - 1995 Kosovo Conflict, 1997 - 1999 Of course I am not listing the current "War on terrorism" and the infamous operation "Enduring freedom"
And many many more.You can actually put everything from the occoupation section here.Again not listing the assasinations of south american leaders,the recent presidential overthrow etc.
I really want you to tell me only two things:what do YOU(personally) see as fascism and what attributes does it bear in your opinion.Then we can talk =).
I don't see your aguments worth discussing. Pulling out dozens of conflict dates suits both: Russia and USA.
If you're not able to understand the point but to argue on some lements, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
Also I believe you know the situation very well and know the history better than me, but for some reason you chose to defend the bigger aggressor and debase the smaller aggressor.
Yes.but if you search for actual conflicts,you will find:
1.That USA started more than 2 times the conflicts Russia did in 21st century
2.That USA has been in almost as many conflicts as Russia ever was in throughout its entire history(please note that Russia existed for a much longer time)
Some of your facts are contrived and like LuckyStudent you pay no attention to some of mine ones.
Also look up for the meaning of the words "reflect" and "affect" as it seems you didn't get it.
Do not compare the economics of large countries with the small ones, which do not even have some resources of their own. If we start copying what everobody else is doing we could end up in a very sad situation.
Criticise the government decisions after the crisis is over, not in the middle of it.
Latvia didn't ask to buy them out (as far as I know about this "buying out" it was a joke by Russian person living in Latvia). This country borrowed from International currency foundation.
OK.If you still think that involvement in many wars is a sign of fascism take a look at this:
# Boxer Rebellion, 1899 - 1901
# Banana Wars: * United States occupation of Nicaragua, 1907-1933 * United States occupation of Honduras, 1907-1933 * United States overthrow of Guatemalan Government, 1907-1933 * Intervention during Panamanian Election, 1908 * United States occupation of Cuba, 1912 * United States occupation of Veracruz, 1914
I am not telling you that you started any wars.I am telling you that if you call a country "fascist" for the amount of wars started by it,then you would be better off calling that a certain ally of yours.(USA!!!)
Please answer to another question: why should we revere a soldier of a country that attacked us in 1940, when the fighting against fascism from USSR started only in middle of 1941?
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As Fascist Germany and Soviet Russia were allies at that time, there are two options:
1) We should revere German soldiers also (I wouldn't like that too)
2) We should NOT revere the soldier (at least not in the centre of the city)
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That's why the remains of the soldiers and that sculpture was moved.
Personally, i do not think that you should revere any occupational solider,in fact it was rather noble of your government to not demolish the sculpture,however doing that on(or near) russians victory day was a huge mistake.A sign of complete political blindness of your President/PM.
Also,ive noticed that you have listed russias conflicts in 21 century,although were asked to list only the 20th century ones.You want me to do that too?I can do that.Oh yes I can.
It is only 9 years in this century completed, but I personally think Russia will be stopped from it's aggression here. Alternative energies are fighting their way to the public use and your country will be needed us no more. That means - no Lithuanian, EU or any other money in such amounts for you. Medvedev has already noticed that.
Common, it is Estonian prezident, not yours, so let Estonian citizens critisize his political competence. Yourself have more than enough clues to critisize your OWN prezident, so please go to the russian sites and do this, instead of discussing the Estonian politics.
what about "my yard"? There are the land, home, grub, vodka and people aren't killed massively - where do you see the bad here? Our government, though it's stealing, allows to live. It's posiible to get on with all except fascists and calumniators.
I bet you'd rather live in Estonia. You dont have to answer my question, as I already know you'll write "NO", but "YES" will always be on your mind ;)
By the way - Germany "liberated" us from communist aggresion when they attacked USSR - it is also a FACT and you seem to like FACTS of the type like this.
Even though Germans were no better than Russians. Only very little minority of Baltic people supported any side - most of them wanted peace. Nowadays it's the same - we need no foreign country's interruption, we just want to buy your goods. That's all.
Estonian police attacked any russians indiscriminately. I think you can find such video here, in YouTube.
Hitler didn't consider that not arians are full-fledged people. Your future with fascists is not exist(and future of europeans). However perhaps baltic people could get on with them, fascists thanked people who were on their side.
"Fascists" is widespread name of killers of tens millinos of people, i use it because it's right definition.
Why don't you mention there was a riot, robberies, etc. and mostly Russian youth was taking part in it? Maybe your so-called friends participated in this? Or starting violence is nothing against some metal sculpture?
Sorry to repeat that again, but you are really deaf for the facts. Otherwice, you would checked YouTube before. Search for "Tallinn riots, professional footage" video, and you will see the whole documental story, of course, if your KGB services allow you to browse YouTube ...
You can not understand the arguments, presented in written text, but obviosly it is only part of your big problem. It seems, you can not see also the facts in the documentary video... What can I say, I am sorry for you.
That is never a good enough ecscuse to demolish innocent people´s businesses.
And besides taking them to the place where they belong (the military cemetary) from a downtown trolley station should be praised by those drunken asswipes.
We dont even need an excuse, because we werent rioting. Doesent matter what we do, it were they who were rioting, not us = THEY were RIOTING, its NOT our fault that they tought it would be okay.
Look, it doesent matter when what to who they did. (as long as it´s legal)
it might be a politically bad decesion, but that doesent mean that they went out and ravaged shops. Hell, they might even have put out a sign into an open grave saying : " LOLZ RUSSIA SUX", it still wouldent have been their fault. THEY DID NOT TELL PEOPLE TO RIOT, THEY DID NOT FUND RIOTERS, THEY THEMSELVES DID NOT RIOT.
I am sorry, but provocation is not a good argument. Remeber Georgia.
But they did commit a political mistake,which eventually led to those riots.What you are failing to see here is that there was only one date in the whole year they needed to avoid,and they were incapable of doing even that.They are responsible for keeping peace and rule of law in that particular country.Technically speaking, every crime commited there is ,in a way, their fault.
So, do you think it would be a better idea if they would have let them just rampage as they did without any resistance? It is their job to protect everyones rights and propety, is it not? Well, the russian goverment thinks otherwise.
And saying that every crime is their fault... thats as good as saying every retard (literally) born to commit crime is their fault.
It might be technically their fault, but in reality it wasnt.
You lost even more due to your commies. Russians are prone to support radical ideas, maybe because they had never been a rich country and people are used to be dissapointed.
Now that the economics are slowed down it is even more visible. By the way - Kremlin often use international conflicts to turn the Russians off the problems inside the country.
You have a ot of them but a lot of people still blame someone else instead of cleaning up their own mess !!!
No, fact is that we lost 36,8 mln during only 1941-1944. Because of Stalin and comparing with killed by fascists - much less (thousends if i don't err, but not millions!).
What do you want me to say any? You don't believe in objective facts, and you don't give objective proofs, i can't tell any more.
What objective facts? You wrote some facts that I already know (people killed, Nurnberg trial, etc.) - I agree with them.
But when you say a total nonsense, for example that Estonia is a fascist country - sorry, but a person telling me that continues to prove himself being a complete idiot.
Did you hear about cruel estonian policy in the bronze night, about normal attitude to fascists and about their hate towards the memorial? Some my friends live in Estonia, they tell me and show on mobile video.
Psychological and physical violance is used against active and popular political opponents. For example - M.Chorodkovsky was put in prison when he started to talk about taking over the government. He wasn't saint, but the vast majority of oligarchs are no better. BTW, Chodorkovsky is a Jew and antisemitism is popular among Russians.
Also,if you think Russia/USSR started so many wars,please give me a list or at least a number of conflicts they have been in since the beggining of the 20th century.
Estonians first began to dig out burial place of soviet soldiers and removal of the memorial. All russians remember many estonians were fascists so russians interpreted their acts accordingly. Estonians begin grubbings, carry the memorial - russians reply by riot. But estonians don't see their fault in this and begin set police on russians. Estonians are unjust.
Of course my friends participated in this! All normal russians participate. It's a duty to defend the honour of poeple who defended us.
His search was in the lithuanian or english language, and many countries (and especially lithuanians) don't allow majority positive facts about russians, so all wars in his finded materials will be to begin because of russians.
I see your government controls information - you eve don't know many your partisans fought on fascist side and some of them robbed civilian population. It was proved in Nurmberg. So it looks like they weren't such heroes if support germans even slightly. In that time all people admit heroes were thoes who fought against Hitler. Around of Europe they were in majority. Today some countries pervert those events.
Here you go (the list of conflicts (moreover, you can be sure that not all)):
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1918 Red army attacks Lithuania
1921 Red army attacks Poland
1939.08.23 Molotov-Ribentrop pact (green light for WW2) (in 1940 it also helped Germans with goods and wanted to join the Axis Germany refused, though)
1939.09.17 USSR attacks Poland
1939.11.30 USSR attacks Finland
1940.06 aggression and occupation of Baltic States
1945 beginning of the cold war 1956 mass killings in Hungarian revolution 1961 Berlin crisis 1962 Cuban missile crisis 1968 mass killings in Czechoslovak revolution 1979.12.24 USSR attacks Afghanistan 1991.01 violence in Vilnius: 14 unarmed people killed 1991.06.31 Medininkai killings 1994 first Chechnya war 1999 second Chechnya war 2008 invasion into Georgian republic 2009+ - who knows? Ukraine, maybe? Hmm?
About Georgia did you invent yourself? My brother served there in that time, he told georgians first began to shoot at them and to shoot at back like germans. Also georgians attacked osetians, and in Osetia there were
russian citizens too. As result - osetians were defended and now they are satisfied their independence from Georgia and our support.
They had no reason to attack Russia,because they did not.They attacked their own territory,hoping that there will be no retaliation for attacking russian citizens.Well,they were mistaken.
You both distort the truth about nazis. All my arguments are established facts. You can't argue with them and accuse somebody of propaganda. We aren't guilty if trial of the nazis and archive evidences are hid from you. If you would to look into this you considered facts and not your illusions. Sorry but you behave not wisely.
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BTW, that guy LuckyStudent for some reasons don't want to see the monuments for German soldiers in StPetersburg. Isn't it strange? He thinks, the people MUST adore the monuments for the ocupants, who invaded to their homeland and killed theirs forefathers. Just because they won the war.
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Some of your "facts" - as you call them - are just an opinion. You are just another person who thinks just what Kremlin wants you to think. No wonder they control the majority of the media.
lol even devil got shot.
toetagjeee 8 months ago
Estonians, Latvians and Lithuanians should work together not constantly make fun of each other. Cause we all know that sooner or later the Big Bear will come again and 1 by 1 we fall and the history repeats itself. But yeah, baltic ppl are just either too ingorant or arrogant to see this.
DeatgMagnet 1 year ago
@DeatgMagnet we see this, but when it comes.. then we help each other but when It's freedom we compete...
Chaillzz 1 year ago
ха ха нереально!
что бы неговорили, фашыстов в России всё таки дафига. Как впрочем всегда было, от сранных советских времен ничерта неизменилось...
lstanulis 1 year ago 2
Rusija šūdas - rosija gavno!
pashka1988 1 year ago
@pashka1988 pats tu gavno nx
Russia1616 1 year ago 2
@Russia1616
Tai pyzdink atgal i savo rusyna ubagyna
pashka1988 1 year ago
@pashka1988
А что в литве то в таком случае хорошего ?
Даже к княжеству литовскому то и то с натягом отношение имеете....
jevgeniiordanski 1 year ago
@pashka1988 Найти бы тебя и отпиздить хорошенько!
Juvelir83 9 months ago
@Juvelir83 :D
pashka1988 7 months ago
huinya like the 3 prebaltic states
vzlomshik 1 year ago
He speaks with russian accent
verdefull 1 year ago 2
@verdefull he is lithuanian
TheAlik1974 1 year ago
This was fucking excellent XD
TheManWithHairyLegs 1 year ago
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that``s as they are!
maoqiao 1 year ago
сказочные долбоёбы снимали :)
dnd36 1 year ago 11
FCUK STALIN AND ALL THE DAMN SOVIETS!
survogis 2 years ago
SUTINKU
chicagolugan 2 years ago
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No brain no pain....
kompakt123 2 years ago
i hate soviets
survogis 2 years ago
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And I hate Landsbergis
kompakt123 2 years ago
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so you may feel free to go and fcuk yourself ;)
survogis 2 years ago
гы
brothers468 2 years ago
cha patinka man šitas !!! eina šikt visa ta rusija !!
Kavolini 2 years ago
the only argument russians have against us, baltic people - their population is 20x bigger. Does this argument give them any right to hate us and our independance, as they always do ? Or to spread a lie all around, as they have a whole federal support for their ideological atacs? Who knows... maybe, if they still live under law ofa Jungles.
aistta 2 years ago
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They all live in russia? That saying baltic who only gloryfing nazzi fashiszm. Who gave green lite to nazzi parade? Who put russian veteren in jail, just becase he kill nazzi scum in the war?You who hate people from russia? You who have untermansh policy to as you call-aliens? You can minus me as much as you want, but that vidio is realy show your nazzi seing of the russian, as hitlers call them hord. You relly lern it good/
tzicka82 2 years ago
Tak ix blya xDxDxD
sprintR 2 years ago
куйня
toriseja666 2 years ago
I suppose that anecdote is just a "joke" like video with Budulis, but many truth is in this joke.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 17
Anecdote:
In maternity hospital italian's, german's, estonian's and russian's children were entangled.
First, italian comes to them and begins wind spagetti around fork. One child stretch out hands. She takes him.
Next - german: "Heil Hitler!". One child reacts too.
Next russian comes and takes one child without any words.
Estonian: "Why do you think he's your?"
Russian: "Because, when german had said "Heil Hitler!" my child clenched his fists and your one was scared shitless."
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 24
@LuckyStudent777 then why do you blame Estonians for being fascists if they are scared of simple phrase "heil hitler", you dumb fucker? :))
Some Baltic people even considered the nazis as saviors, however they were both faggots together with soviets
Mantux996 1 year ago
only thing is NAZIs and SOVIETS are really good friends, they both secretly started WW2 together... (molotov ribbentrop) so when soviets talk about how they saved u from nazis you must first remember that they "gave" half of Europe to nazis-they take other half. soviets&nazis are lovers...both too greedy&only fought because each wanted more than they agreed in the begging... both are equal bastards, but soviets are worse murderers in the same amount of time.and at least germans have war guilt..
theGrandDuchy 1 year ago 8
@LuckyStudent777 maybe he was scared that both of those low lifes would kill him
theGrandDuchy 1 year ago
Haha so true
Protodevil92 2 years ago 2
Ok I figured Id start a log of fallacies by pro-estonia commenters.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 2
Reality is, that soviets and nazies were allies. not balts... it's enough of video documentary for your attention about that, even there in YouTube, if your KGB allows you to browse, of course... check by tag 'German and Soviet forces partition Poland'
aistta 2 years ago
Depending on you defenition of reality.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
*your
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
reality doesn't care about your opinion :) you would better check the documentary...
aistta 2 years ago
If you dont care about mu opinion you dont answer my posts,Genius
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Oh i see my mistake there lol
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Anyway,I never posted any of my opinions.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
By the way - i can tell a blind man how the nature looks like, but I can do nothing about the brainwashed who is certain that the grass is blue.
Mantux996 2 years ago
sobeyboyzz, don't get me wrong, but this discussion is not for the comments section.
In fact, You haven't proven anything - you just pulled out the bunch of dates to my bunch of dates.
Looking at your answering speed I think you have nothing better to do. Sorry, but that does not suit me.
Mantux996 2 years ago
The thing is - I do not have to prove anything.The arguement is automatically won if you fail to prove your positive statement.And yes,I do not have anything better to do.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
Nonsense, every argumant has to be proved.
By the way - if you are here to win, not tell your opinion, then I feel sad about you if your victories are restricted to the comments section (sorry, if I'm wrong).
Mantux996 2 years ago
Victory is not a priority - the process is what brings me pleasure.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
By the way sobeyboyzz, if you think that comparing horse shit to elephant shit is equivalent, then good luck. Both: USA and Russia did harm to the world, but it is not equally comparable.
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You are able to understand that but chose to spam the comment section I according to you I should do that too. Well, I won't. Comparing horse shit and elephant shit is not my hobby.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Leaving so soon?A pity...It was interesting to look at your fallacy-filled arguments.Anyway,I will remain here,in case someone else tries to show just how interested they are in a good arguement.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
Not leaving, just paying no attention to you. You see, we both have fallacy-filled agruments but it seems that only I have to publish some "expert analysis". I think you will agree it is not very fair from the opponent.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Fine by me.And yes it is not very fair,but that is just how it is.If you state something,then it remains false until proven true.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
Let it be. I think you are smart enought to understand the reality.
Mantux996 2 years ago
In generally, all baltic people always remember only USSR conserning all deadly sins when USA really was more agressive during 20th century. And of course they always forget exactly soviet soldiers put an end to fascism in Europe. They even don't know the most of their own partisans fought on side of germans and sometimes robbed civilian population. It was proved in Nurmberg trial.
So it could be said their media is controled by government mostly.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 2
You think you know us better that us? Most of your facts about history are fictional.
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As for our partisans - it never happened: they did not fought on German side and never robbed their own people (who gave them support). For words ike this you deserve a kick to the head or at least a good punch. I said that before.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Mantux, it's not me, you think you know us better than we. "Nashi" is not fascist group, they condemn fascists the same. I live in Russia, and i know, what i say. There aren't european democraces without our victory from fascism and without 30 mln died. If you really think wrong you are very brainwashed.
My facts are fictional? From Nurmberg? If your government don't believe Nurmgerg trial, i'm very sorry for you.
About your partisans was proved in Nurmberg. How can you argue with such proofs?
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 4
"Nashi" IS fashist group by their ideology and their actions, not words.
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Why didn't you answered me about the DATE of Nuremberg? Do you now ANYTHING about REAL proves and process of Nuremberg?
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So, just STOP proving you are a complete ignorant, it has been proven already long before...I believe.
aistta 2 years ago
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well, what I can do for you?... Maybe, at first try Wikipedia "Nuremberg". You will find enough links to documents to study...
Those comments are not the right place for educational purposes...
aistta 2 years ago
Listen, you russian nazi piece of shit, there is NOTHING in Nuremberg about that. You are bluffing, you fucking fascist cunt. Can you show me at least one Nuremberg document about Lith partisans cooperating with nazis? Go now, cunt.
whatlooksrightisrigh 2 years ago
BTW, have you noticed I answered all of your arguments (you can criticise my opinion but the facts remains the same) while you and LuckyStudent paid no attention to mine arguments?
It is easy to pull out one sentence and discuss about it forgeting the reason from which it all began.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Actually, you have not.Your initial argument was that Russia is fascist.And mine that it is not.You not only have failed to provide proof for any of your statements,but even to define fascism.Somehow I have trouble believing that you have realised that russia is fascist after reading wikipedia.If you really think that I did not pay any attention to your arguments/facts,then please list them here.I can wait.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Wrong again - my argument was that Russia is more fascist that any other country (except of totalitarian and authoritarian regimes).
In fact Russia is prone to fascism (not fascist) and here's another bone for you to eat (I don't have that much time to spare to argue about everything): the youth group called "Nashi" or PutinJugend as Western contries call them. Influence to the youth was the main lever to control the nation by A.Hitler.
Mantux996 2 years ago
That does not matter that much,though I admit a slight misplacement of words on my behalf.Your statement is positive,therefore you bear the burden of proof.If you want to prove that the Nashi movement is in any way similiar to Hitler youth,please provide experts analysis on that matter and well see what comes out of it.
Also, I live in the West and have never heard such an expression.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
well, it's strange, if you don't read western media...
aistta 2 years ago
I am more used to getting my info from independent internet news agencies.And believe it or not,most of the are what you would call pro-russian.And i am not talking about the russian ones.I am talking about english,american ones.Such a huge difference between mainstream and internet media,you know?
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
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No russia..!!!
ESTONIA forever!
NoEndFun 2 years ago
By the way, Lithuanians (Latvians and Estonians) pay less attention in what the neighbouring country does and concentrates into working for his own fortune.
Russians, however, think we can't manage without their opinion. Well, guess what - we can!
That's probably why average Baltic citizen lives better that average Russian (I am sure you have a list of who to blame for that, but keep this for yourdself).
Mantux996 2 years ago
Well,first of all do you really think you know who exactly I am?If not,please do not classify me as Russian.
Second of all,there are only three conflicts not started by the US in this list(and I challenge you to find them XD).
Third of all,I am not blaming anyone for anything.I am just saying that if you qualify a country as "fascist" for starting conflicts,then USA should be first in your list.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Also,you have yet to provide facts to support your arguement that modern Russia is more fascist than any other country.
What you are doing now is commiting a very basic logical fallacy known as Red Herring.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
The list of the conflicts I wrote is not full - they're just the ones, which strongly affected our country. I am sure you have more time than me to find them.
Mantux996 2 years ago
I told you to DO RESEARCH and list ALL of the conflicts.I thought I stressed that enough.if you want to participate in a debate and be taken seriously,then you might want to back up your statements.You know,just a little?
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Oh actually,only 3 conflicts that USA did not join voluntairily.Heh kind of hard to keep track of those wars huh?
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
I did not say this is the only attribute. Many large countries were starting and getting involved in the conflicts throughout the history.
In addition , if you are not able to find the difference among the consequences of those conflicts that USA and Russia had started, then I have nothing more to talk to you.
Mantux996 2 years ago
I beg your pardon?Are you really better off living in Estonia,where the number of infected by swine flu is double the number of infected in Russia,where economic downfall started before the crisis,where left and right political parties form joined governments unlike anywhere else in the world(probably just to seize power)and where education level was once compared to the one of african countries?
Or in Latvia,which has asked numerous companies and countries to buy them out?
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
...or are you better live in Russia where you can be easily killed for you skin color? Or arrested for criticising government? Or living in a remote town thinking how to feed your family?
Statistically one Estonia a year emmigrates Russia and 50% of Russian people would go living somewhere else if only they could.
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Crisis is everywhere, mister economist, the downfall does not reflect the quality of the living.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Just prove all of that.I can prove my facts easily.And I can prove that in Estonia the downfall DOES affect the quality of life.Because you know,when it started,America,Russia and lots of EU members started throwing a vast amount of their funds to support employment and continue social support for the population.What do the balctic leaders do?They decrease pentions and issue employment laws that allow the employer to fire anyone without any reprecautions whatsoever.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 2
Also,please list all the things you attribute to fascism.That will at least keep the debat going.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
And if you think the consequences of those wars are so different,then please enlighten me and tell me why.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Well, it's a long discussion (probably not for the comments section at all), so I'll try to state case in short.
Both (USA and Russia) were involved in many conflicts. They were mostly for influence spheres or strategical resources. But Russia did some "more"; it is: occupation, genocide, ruining the nations (by deportations and bringing new inhabitants), consolitating dictatorship regime and many more.
Mantux996 2 years ago 2
Ok one by one:
1.Occupation
United States occupation of Nicaragua, 1907-1933
United States occupation of Honduras, 1908
United States occupation of Cuba, 1912
United States occupation of Veracruz, 1914
United States occupation of Haiti, 1915-1934
United States occupation of the Dominican Republic, 1917-1924
United States Occupation of Laos, 1962 - 1973
Occupation of Beirut, Lebanon,1982-1984
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
2.Genocide
Trail of Tears 1830
The Mountain Medows Massacre September 11, 1857
And of course,the begginig of it all in the 1492,when a first white man stepped on to the land of America
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
So that is your genocide? I thought we're talking about nowaday situation. I never mentioned what Russia did half thousand years ago. You are stange person.
Mantux996 2 years ago
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
4.Consolitating dictatorship
United States overthrow of Guatemalan Government, 1907-1933
Intervention during Panamanian Election, 1908
United States Intervention in Greek Election, 1947-1949
Operation Powerpack, Dominican Republic, 1965 - 1966
And many many more.You can actually put everything from the occoupation section here.Again not listing the assasinations of south american leaders,the recent presidential overthrow etc.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
I really want you to tell me only two things:what do YOU(personally) see as fascism and what attributes does it bear in your opinion.Then we can talk =).
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
I don't see your aguments worth discussing. Pulling out dozens of conflict dates suits both: Russia and USA.
If you're not able to understand the point but to argue on some lements, then I have nothing to discuss with you.
Also I believe you know the situation very well and know the history better than me, but for some reason you chose to defend the bigger aggressor and debase the smaller aggressor.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Yes.but if you search for actual conflicts,you will find:
1.That USA started more than 2 times the conflicts Russia did in 21st century
2.That USA has been in almost as many conflicts as Russia ever was in throughout its entire history(please note that Russia existed for a much longer time)
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
Wiki: "fascism".
I'd like to askk to respect my time and find out the simple aswers yourself.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Some of your facts are contrived and like LuckyStudent you pay no attention to some of mine ones.
Also look up for the meaning of the words "reflect" and "affect" as it seems you didn't get it.
Do not compare the economics of large countries with the small ones, which do not even have some resources of their own. If we start copying what everobody else is doing we could end up in a very sad situation.
Criticise the government decisions after the crisis is over, not in the middle of it.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Latvia didn't ask to buy them out (as far as I know about this "buying out" it was a joke by Russian person living in Latvia). This country borrowed from International currency foundation.
Mantux996 2 years ago
sobeboyzz, do you feel the diffrence between "starting" a conflict and "participating in it"?
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Also I was almost sure you would mention USA, but now I feel sorry for your work. You see, many of those conflicts had NOT been started by them.
Moreover - we are NOT USA but we know you like blaming them for your political and economical problems. Good luck!
Mantux996 2 years ago
OK.If you still think that involvement in many wars is a sign of fascism take a look at this:
# Boxer Rebellion, 1899 - 1901
# Banana Wars: * United States occupation of Nicaragua, 1907-1933 * United States occupation of Honduras, 1907-1933 * United States overthrow of Guatemalan Government, 1907-1933 * Intervention during Panamanian Election, 1908 * United States occupation of Cuba, 1912 * United States occupation of Veracruz, 1914
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 2
# * United States occupation of Haiti, 1915-1934 * United States occupation of the Dominican Republic, 1917-1924
# Mexican Expedition, 1916 - 1917 * Battle of Ambros Nogales, 1918
# World War I, 1917 1918 (time span of U.S. involvement) * European Theatre, 1917 - 1918 * First Battle of the Atlantic, 1917 - 1918
# Russian Revolution, 1918-1920 (time span of U.S. involvement)
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
# * Polar Bear Expedition, 1918 - 1919 * American Expeditionary Force Siberia, Soviet Union, 1918 - 1920
# Yangtze Patrol, 1922-1927
# World War II, 1941 1945 (time span of U.S. involvement) * Second Battle of the Atlantic, 1941 - 1945 * Pacific War, 1941 - 1945
# * African Theatre, 1942 - 1943 * European Theatre, 1944 - 1945
# United States Intervention in Greek Election, 1947-1949
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
# Korean War, 1950 - 1953
# Operation PBFORTUNE, Guatemala, 1952
# Operation Ajax, US overthrow of Iranian Government, 1953
# Operation PBSUCCESS, Guatemala, 1954
# Operation Blue Bat, Lebanon, 1958
# Bay of Pigs Invasion, Cuba, 1961
# Operation Powerpack, Dominican Republic, 1965 - 1966
# United States Intervention at Panama Canal, 1958
# Vietnam War, 1962 - 1973 (time span of United States involvement) * United States Occupation of Laos, 1962 - 1973
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
# * Cambodian Civil War, 1969 - 1970
# United States Intervention at Panama Canal, 1964
# United States Overthrow of Chilean Government, 1964
# Operation Eagle Claw, Iran hostage crisis, 1980
# First Gulf of Sidra Incident, Libya, 1981
# Contra War, El Salvador, 1981-1990
# Occupation of Beirut, Lebanon, 1982-1984
# Invasion of Grenada, Grenada, 1983-1984
# Operation El Dorado Canyon, Libya, 1986
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
# IranIraq War, 1987 - 1989
# Operation Just Cause, Panama 1989 - 1990
# Second Gulf of Sidra Incident, Libya, 1989
# Persian Gulf War, Iraq, 1991 * Operation Desert Shield, 1991 * Operation Desert Storm, 1991
# Somali Civil War, 1992 - 1994 * Operation Provide Relief, 1992 * Operation Restore Hope, 1992 - 1994
# Yugoslav wars, 1994 - 1999
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
Im very sorry for the format,it is not easy to process such a huge amount of information.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Could you please show us at least ONE line from your list, where Estonia, Lithuania or Latvia started the war?
aistta 2 years ago
I am not telling you that you started any wars.I am telling you that if you call a country "fascist" for the amount of wars started by it,then you would be better off calling that a certain ally of yours.(USA!!!)
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Also,the behaviour of the soldier in this video depicts the behaviour of the US WAY more than it depicts the behaviour of Russia.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Please answer to another question: why should we revere a soldier of a country that attacked us in 1940, when the fighting against fascism from USSR started only in middle of 1941?
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As Fascist Germany and Soviet Russia were allies at that time, there are two options:
1) We should revere German soldiers also (I wouldn't like that too)
2) We should NOT revere the soldier (at least not in the centre of the city)
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That's why the remains of the soldiers and that sculpture was moved.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Personally, i do not think that you should revere any occupational solider,in fact it was rather noble of your government to not demolish the sculpture,however doing that on(or near) russians victory day was a huge mistake.A sign of complete political blindness of your President/PM.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Also,ive noticed that you have listed russias conflicts in 21 century,although were asked to list only the 20th century ones.You want me to do that too?I can do that.Oh yes I can.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
It is only 9 years in this century completed, but I personally think Russia will be stopped from it's aggression here. Alternative energies are fighting their way to the public use and your country will be needed us no more. That means - no Lithuanian, EU or any other money in such amounts for you. Medvedev has already noticed that.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Common, it is Estonian prezident, not yours, so let Estonian citizens critisize his political competence. Yourself have more than enough clues to critisize your OWN prezident, so please go to the russian sites and do this, instead of discussing the Estonian politics.
aistta 2 years ago 2
Ok have you actually read the below discussion?If you do,then you will find out that most of your definitive statements are already wrong.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
To forestall all the discussions about Lithuanian Partisans - anyone calling them bandits deserve a good old kick to the head. I'm serious.
Partisans were, are and always be remembered as our HEROES, not some foreign soldiers. Understood?
Mantux996 2 years ago
And again - before calling someone fascists look at your own yard - maybe you'll find something new.
Mantux996 2 years ago
what about "my yard"? There are the land, home, grub, vodka and people aren't killed massively - where do you see the bad here? Our government, though it's stealing, allows to live. It's posiible to get on with all except fascists and calumniators.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
I bet you'd rather live in Estonia. You dont have to answer my question, as I already know you'll write "NO", but "YES" will always be on your mind ;)
Mantux996 2 years ago
By the way - Germany "liberated" us from communist aggresion when they attacked USSR - it is also a FACT and you seem to like FACTS of the type like this.
Even though Germans were no better than Russians. Only very little minority of Baltic people supported any side - most of them wanted peace. Nowadays it's the same - we need no foreign country's interruption, we just want to buy your goods. That's all.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Estonian police attacked any russians indiscriminately. I think you can find such video here, in YouTube.
Hitler didn't consider that not arians are full-fledged people. Your future with fascists is not exist(and future of europeans). However perhaps baltic people could get on with them, fascists thanked people who were on their side.
"Fascists" is widespread name of killers of tens millinos of people, i use it because it's right definition.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
Why don't you mention there was a riot, robberies, etc. and mostly Russian youth was taking part in it? Maybe your so-called friends participated in this? Or starting violence is nothing against some metal sculpture?
Police did the right thing - that's my opinion.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Hitler was a faggot like other nazi party leaders (it is also said about Russian commies).
Mantux996 2 years ago
Sorry to repeat that again, but you are really deaf for the facts. Otherwice, you would checked YouTube before. Search for "Tallinn riots, professional footage" video, and you will see the whole documental story, of course, if your KGB services allow you to browse YouTube ...
aistta 2 years ago
Russians rebeled because of estonians first began to dig up soviet burial places and demolition of the monument. So russians replyed to this.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 2
The monument was moved, not demolished.
Mantux996 2 years ago 2
You can not understand the arguments, presented in written text, but obviosly it is only part of your big problem. It seems, you can not see also the facts in the documentary video... What can I say, I am sorry for you.
aistta 2 years ago
"dig up" and "demolishion" ????
Can you proove that????
I see waht I see - The monument is in PERFECT condition, all in flowers, in the military cemetery.
Do you see differently??? If so, what drugs are you sitting on?
aistta 2 years ago
You are accusesing us in riot. I say you it was because of estonians. They touched not only the memorial, also soviet burial places.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
K, so?
That is never a good enough ecscuse to demolish innocent people´s businesses.
And besides taking them to the place where they belong (the military cemetary) from a downtown trolley station should be praised by those drunken asswipes.
We dont even need an excuse, because we werent rioting. Doesent matter what we do, it were they who were rioting, not us = THEY were RIOTING, its NOT our fault that they tought it would be okay.
You cant turn that around. Those are the facts.
Baltican 2 years ago
It kind of was your fault though.Your leaders were idiotic enough to move the remains on the single worst date they could have picked.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Look, it doesent matter when what to who they did. (as long as it´s legal)
it might be a politically bad decesion, but that doesent mean that they went out and ravaged shops. Hell, they might even have put out a sign into an open grave saying : " LOLZ RUSSIA SUX", it still wouldent have been their fault. THEY DID NOT TELL PEOPLE TO RIOT, THEY DID NOT FUND RIOTERS, THEY THEMSELVES DID NOT RIOT.
I am sorry, but provocation is not a good argument. Remeber Georgia.
Baltican 2 years ago
But they did commit a political mistake,which eventually led to those riots.What you are failing to see here is that there was only one date in the whole year they needed to avoid,and they were incapable of doing even that.They are responsible for keeping peace and rule of law in that particular country.Technically speaking, every crime commited there is ,in a way, their fault.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
So, do you think it would be a better idea if they would have let them just rampage as they did without any resistance? It is their job to protect everyones rights and propety, is it not? Well, the russian goverment thinks otherwise.
And saying that every crime is their fault... thats as good as saying every retard (literally) born to commit crime is their fault.
It might be technically their fault, but in reality it wasnt.
Baltican 2 years ago
Please explain what you understand as "technically" and "reality".
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
I can said too the same - all baltics are brainwashed by their governments.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
Nonsense.
Plus, at least we are democratic.
Mantux996 2 years ago
I see there's a lot of people voting my and aistta's comments thumb down. The truth seems to be uncomfortable for some of the brainwashed people.
Mantux996 2 years ago
We aren't brainwashed. We follow to the proofs, i told already about them.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 4
They "never let IT in any country"... ROFL.
How can you instruct another country what to do? Why didn't you let that happen in Germany from 1933 then?
Mantux996 2 years ago
*did
Mantux996 2 years ago
not USSR - we, that means russians;
not other countries - we carried almost all burden of war, lost more poeple than others and our flag was on Reihstag;
war is started by government, but not by our people;
in *the* country, means our country.
Mantux, i wrighted this already earlier.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
When it's good - we have to thank Russians and when it's bad - it's your government to blame, right? :)))
You lost a lot of people, because you soldiers were not so good, plus a lot of military officers were killed by Stalin.
Mantux996 2 years ago
We lost many people because of Stalin too.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
You lost even more due to your commies. Russians are prone to support radical ideas, maybe because they had never been a rich country and people are used to be dissapointed.
Now that the economics are slowed down it is even more visible. By the way - Kremlin often use international conflicts to turn the Russians off the problems inside the country.
You have a ot of them but a lot of people still blame someone else instead of cleaning up their own mess !!!
Mantux996 2 years ago
No, fact is that we lost 36,8 mln during only 1941-1944. Because of Stalin and comparing with killed by fascists - much less (thousends if i don't err, but not millions!).
What do you want me to say any? You don't believe in objective facts, and you don't give objective proofs, i can't tell any more.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
What objective facts? You wrote some facts that I already know (people killed, Nurnberg trial, etc.) - I agree with them.
But when you say a total nonsense, for example that Estonia is a fascist country - sorry, but a person telling me that continues to prove himself being a complete idiot.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Did you hear about cruel estonian policy in the bronze night, about normal attitude to fascists and about their hate towards the memorial? Some my friends live in Estonia, they tell me and show on mobile video.
Do you know some else?
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
There was nothing cruel about that.
Did the bronze soldier was demolished? NO.
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And do we have to worship the soldiers who fought for their occupant country. I think NOT.
That makes me a big fascist (it seems to be your favorite word), right? :)))
Mantux996 2 years ago 3
Prove to me that Russia is fascist.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
People , criticising government are killed. This is just one of the proofs.
Mantux996 2 years ago
Psychological and physical violance is used against active and popular political opponents. For example - M.Chorodkovsky was put in prison when he started to talk about taking over the government. He wasn't saint, but the vast majority of oligarchs are no better. BTW, Chodorkovsky is a Jew and antisemitism is popular among Russians.
Mantux996 2 years ago
There can be fascism without that.Therefore,this is not proof.Please list all the "proofs" you seem to be so fond of.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
What's the point if you deny them all?
Mantux996 2 years ago
That is a logical fallacy.
Bare asssertion fallacy, I believe.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago
Also,if you think Russia/USSR started so many wars,please give me a list or at least a number of conflicts they have been in since the beggining of the 20th century.
And try to do research before you do that,ok?
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
OK, I'll write down all the conflicts and the correct dates. I have no time for this at the moment ;)
Mantux996 2 years ago
Estonians first began to dig out burial place of soviet soldiers and removal of the memorial. All russians remember many estonians were fascists so russians interpreted their acts accordingly. Estonians begin grubbings, carry the memorial - russians reply by riot. But estonians don't see their fault in this and begin set police on russians. Estonians are unjust.
Of course my friends participated in this! All normal russians participate. It's a duty to defend the honour of poeple who defended us.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
Participated in what? The riot?
Mantux996 2 years ago
His search was in the lithuanian or english language, and many countries (and especially lithuanians) don't allow majority positive facts about russians, so all wars in his finded materials will be to begin because of russians.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
I have to add, I can speak Russian too. By the way, nobody controls the search results in our language. It's not Russia.
Mantux996 2 years ago
I see your government controls information - you eve don't know many your partisans fought on fascist side and some of them robbed civilian population. It was proved in Nurmberg. So it looks like they weren't such heroes if support germans even slightly. In that time all people admit heroes were thoes who fought against Hitler. Around of Europe they were in majority. Today some countries pervert those events.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago
what a SH... are your talking?
You know anything about Nuremberg trial, you even can not say the year it was held. Can you?
aistta 2 years ago
Here you go (the list of conflicts (moreover, you can be sure that not all)):
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1918 Red army attacks Lithuania
1921 Red army attacks Poland
1939.08.23 Molotov-Ribentrop pact (green light for WW2) (in 1940 it also helped Germans with goods and wanted to join the Axis Germany refused, though)
1939.09.17 USSR attacks Poland
1939.11.30 USSR attacks Finland
1940.06 aggression and occupation of Baltic States
Mantux996 2 years ago
Mantux996 2 years ago
About Georgia did you invent yourself? My brother served there in that time, he told georgians first began to shoot at them and to shoot at back like germans. Also georgians attacked osetians, and in Osetia there were
russian citizens too. As result - osetians were defended and now they are satisfied their independence from Georgia and our support.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 12
Answer a simple question smart guy - why would a small country attack a G8 country with a lot greater (in amount) army?
You think they decided to sign their own necrologies?
Think with your own brain, goddammit.
Mantux996 2 years ago
They had no reason to attack Russia,because they did not.They attacked their own territory,hoping that there will be no retaliation for attacking russian citizens.Well,they were mistaken.
sobeboyzz 2 years ago 3
guys this is just a joke :)
Shmoucikas231 2 years ago 4
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There is a lot of truth in this joke. This truth seems to be "uncomfortable" for some people.
Mantux996 2 years ago
You both distort the truth about nazis. All my arguments are established facts. You can't argue with them and accuse somebody of propaganda. We aren't guilty if trial of the nazis and archive evidences are hid from you. If you would to look into this you considered facts and not your illusions. Sorry but you behave not wisely.
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 6
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aistta 2 years ago
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BTW, that guy LuckyStudent for some reasons don't want to see the monuments for German soldiers in StPetersburg. Isn't it strange? He thinks, the people MUST adore the monuments for the ocupants, who invaded to their homeland and killed theirs forefathers. Just because they won the war.
aistta 2 years ago
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Some of your "facts" - as you call them - are just an opinion. You are just another person who thinks just what Kremlin wants you to think. No wonder they control the majority of the media.
Mantux996 2 years ago
No, it's not Kremlin's opinoin, this is proofs given in the Nurmberg Military Tribunal in 1945 by all countries that were victims of fascists.
Does your government consider this trial the falsification and wrongful accusation of "valiant" german soldiers who killed 27 mln in Russia alone?
LuckyStudent777 2 years ago 10