wat a good stallion! you could stop him easy, turn him easy... congratz on him :) our horses seem to do better without bits. Their total idiots with a bit but bitless their easier.
4 all that say they respect yr view 'but bits stil ok or wil neva b obsolete' I feel until they try it 4 themselves they shud not judge or dismiss. it take al sort 2 make d world go round but 2 do it wit an open mind u find d wheels turn more smoothly!
I would love 2 n have no doubt dat making d transition 2 bitless is 100% possible wit my mares n geldings (as such I am investigating all options on d market!) but wit my stallions am not sure. Love 2 hear experienced opinions of bitless stallions. Currently schooling a 4 n 5 year-old in loose ring snaffle n they respond well. But out wit mares my 'truckers arms' r d only thing stopping them frm coming up WAY 2 close behind. They r young n in time this will pass but cud it b sooner wit bitless?
Typing in "text" language when conversing on the internet forums is very rude LaRanaTJ. You're not using a mobile phone here, so please don't spell like you are. It shows a total lack of respect for the other people on the forum, and is very hard to read. I would suggest that rather than rely on a piece of equipment, you put an effort into learning some horsemanship skills so that you don't have those control problems. There are many Natural Horsemanship people who ride stallions bridleless.
Pues venga Chica, lees que he escrito - pidiendo consejos/avisos - no tengo la mente cerrada, el contrario, no como tu. Escribí en forma texto por que de los limites de texto en youtube, no por falta de educación. Me siento lastima para ti que tienes el tiempo para escribir ´aire´ y no para ayudar un pedido genuine. Busca la vida - lo mas lejo del mundo equino posible - por que los caballos necesitan gente con educación, paciencia y la mente abierta.
Y fijat wapa - el post tiene mas k 1 año de edad y puede ser k me e informado - mejor k tu! - ya k estoy montando (y compitiendo y ganando) cn mi semental sn filete - gracias a la gente cn paciencia celebro y compasión k me ha ayudado - no como la gente como tu k jura sn le y sn saber d k abla
y tanto mas has mosqueado con tu comento idiotico que te tengo que repetir si no tienes el tiempo para leer en condiciones en principio o menos toda vía conocimiento de un asunto NO CONTESTES. Y si no has entendido nada que he escrito cambia tu apodo español guapita. Hay bastante equivocando de sobra en el mundo equino sin que cuando una persona pide ayuda imbeciles como tu responde en este forma
Lo siento. Yo hablo solo un poco espanol. No entiendo. I have obviously really upset you and I apologise for that. Text speak in online forums really annoys me. My comment regarding horsemanship was genuine - if you learn Natural Horsemanship techniques your problems with your "strong" horse will diminish and disappear. Buena suerte.
I would love to have those bridles! I have bits on both my horses though I know they don't need them- like I can ride the one with nothing on him at all but the other one is still being trained and since he hates the bit I would like to get him a bridle with no bit so he might have a better time in the ring :)
horses just plain can't be out of a bit, you find some good ones like the stallions i ride, which don't even need a bridle to be controlled around a mare either, and i am 13 and i have been able to control this stallion since i was 6, the stallions listens to his rider even if a mare in heat enters the ring, he used to be abused though, there are such wonderful horses, but trust me,the bit's been around for 100 years at least, and it will be aorund for at least 100 more
Why????? You say you don't need a bit to control your stallion. Hundreds of people have posted videos and stories proving you don't need bits. Why must bits stay around to hurt horses for another hundred years??? If we don't need to use bits, why keep using them? Zoe
well i ride stallions and studs without any tack at all, all on the use of leg aid, it IS more the horse than the rider i have found out, just the way they are trained, but bits are not bad, it is just great riders can take breaks from them,as well as good horses. some
um, bit's don't hurt a horse IF you use it properly. Very pretty horse, and she is a good rider. But they way they are talking it sounds as though the bit is a terrible thing, never to be used again! I'm not against the bit less at all. don't get me wrong! lol
I truly believe that 10 years from now, bits will become totally obsolete. If you train the horse and rider bitless from the start, why would you need a bit? If you read the customer comments at the nurturalhorse web site, you might agre with that possibility! Zoe
"A long custom of thinking a thing not wrong gives it a semblance of being right." Tradition passed down from the likes of Attila the Hun dictates the use of a bit. You do not need to intentionally mis-use a bit to cause pain. Check the video link and independent studies at our site under bits vs bitless - the facts. Why use a bit if you do not need to? Most of us are not perfect, and most cause pain at some time with a bit. I certainly ride better and am happier without a bit. Zoe
well, each to it's own, I guess. I'm not against the bit less. But I am saying that bits are NOT abuse, unless you are inexperienced, or if you just decide to yank on the bit.
You're wrong, bits will always be around. Just because you dont use one doesn't mean that everyone else has to train/ride YOUR way. I respect that you use bitless bridles, but let people who do use bits use them. I use a bit, and so does everyone else I know. None of the horses I ride or know dislike or are hurt by the bit. I agree that if the horse is showing pain you should find an alternative method, but if the horse is fine and not complaining then there isn't anything wrong. End of story.
I haven't seen one of these bitless videos where the horse is truly giving in the head, shoulders and pole without TONS of rein pressure from the rider...
You may want to check out "Bitless Dressage in the Rain - Nurturally! It has had 459 views and not one comment yet! This shows a higher dressage level. (This horse sets his head behind the verticle in bit or bitless) Zoe
I kinda of agree with you CaliHorseGirl. Horses just do not give very well to this natural stuff. I do ride with a bitless type bridle when I trail ride and have worked with my horse to give with it and he might for a moment but he is always pulling on it. If I use my snaffle bit he stays flexed without hanging on to him all the time to stay flexed.
This is exactly my experience... I had a client who rode "bitless", and she had to keep so much pressure on her horse to get her flexed and supple that I eventually talked her into a smooth snaffle, which made the mare and my client MUCH happier. I think the "bitless" bridles have thier place, but they are just never going to be a replacement for snaffles or even some curbs. Even most show trainers who use "bosals" to show train in snaffles, go figure!!! LOL
I agree with you. Some people don't ride correctly with a bit, but not all! And if they yank on the bit, I'm sure they can still hurt a horse with the 'bit less'.
There are TONS of well documented reports of harm caused by bits and we have seen NO reports of people hurting their horses in the Nurtural Bitless Bridle. You may want to check the Bits Vs Bitless page at the nurturalhorse web site. You'll also find links to other videos of your beloved bits.
You may want to also check the customer comments page of people who open their minds and try riding in THIS bitless bridle. Zoe
I love it! I always try to train my horses in bitless. this model look amazing. Ill put it on my holiday list. =) its perfect for my 3 year old Belgian draft who is teething right now
HI, I'm from the UK and use a Dr Cooks bitless bridle for both Show Jumping and Cross Country. I ride an ex race horse (full thoroughbred). I use to when I event at British Eventing Intro level and have had some excelent results. In my first 4 ever events I have come 7,5 and 3. I would'nt use a bitted bridle again in either dicipline. SHame you can't compete at dressage either in one.
i should say sorry for my comment about stealing the design,i don't know about that and should not say that.I'm Sorry about that.I'm a total believer in bittless,i ride my blind mare with only a halter with reins hooked to it.Never used a bit and she's 18.i was going to switch to bittless bidle but just to much and don't know if she'd go from halter to those
Do you really feel that is a fair comment for a 15 year old girl riding this horse for the first time bitless? I personally do not expect immediate perfection from a student rider with any new piece of equipment - especially on a stallion that is used to his own routine. Perhaps she never tried to 'set his head' - that was certainly not the point of the exercise. Zoe
Absolutley! Actually we just asked if we could borrow a horse for that day, and were a tad suprised that the "really well trained Morgan" we were promised turned out to be a stallion! It was quite an adventure. We do hope to develop our own nurtured horses to the point they can be shown ... one day.
Ummm. There are many types of bitless bridles - hackamores, bosals, sidepulls, and many versions of cross-under bitless bridles. They all work differently.
Yes, this is a well trained horse and a good rider. The bridle works off of 4 pressure points on the head. You can see more at the nurturalhorse web site. Zoe
Are those bridles legal for FEI or EC rated A-shows for hunter/jumper or three day? I can ride all my studs in sidepulls and halters and am looking for a bitless option to be able to legally show in. I'm not right up to date on the show rules , but I thought the only legal bitless option was the old school hackamores for jumper.
If they are legal for jumper or three day for FEI and EC rules , I'm gettin' me one!
I wish! You need to check first. Some will allow you to participate but not compete (so you get a score and have the fun and show what can be done ... but no formal standing -which sucks) We need to get organized and lobby these folks to open their eyes and hearts to a kinder, better way! Some folks train bitless most of the time and use a bit every couple weeks and in shows. It keeps the horse soft and responsive. It will get better as more people go bitless! Zoe
Thanks! If you have a moment, read our customer comments at our web site.
Yes you can ride western. Check out the photos of "Badger" doing barrels and polls in the Can Am report. Or... he has a video posted here! You can link to it at my channel or search the word 'nurtural'. That Can Am report has photos of dressage collected horses with flexed necks. I promise I will post more video 'soon'!
Cheers! Zoe - designer of the Nurtural No-Bit Bridle.
Hi I just noticed your comment. I most certainly did design this bridle and have ample proof. It is very unique and patented. MANY customer comments support how much better it works than any other bitless bridle avaialable. I am glad that so many horses and people have much better lives because of this bridle. Zoe
Very nice vedio, I like the whole over all feel and idea. Can she get the stallion to flex his neck? is that possible with the bitless bridels? A lot of judges I ride for LOVE the still flexed look.
wat a good stallion! you could stop him easy, turn him easy... congratz on him :) our horses seem to do better without bits. Their total idiots with a bit but bitless their easier.
ArabianHorsesRuleLOL 2 years ago
If you can do things in a bitless bridle that you can with a bit, why is there a need for a bit?
midnightrites 3 years ago
4 all that say they respect yr view 'but bits stil ok or wil neva b obsolete' I feel until they try it 4 themselves they shud not judge or dismiss. it take al sort 2 make d world go round but 2 do it wit an open mind u find d wheels turn more smoothly!
LaRanaTJ 3 years ago
I would love 2 n have no doubt dat making d transition 2 bitless is 100% possible wit my mares n geldings (as such I am investigating all options on d market!) but wit my stallions am not sure. Love 2 hear experienced opinions of bitless stallions. Currently schooling a 4 n 5 year-old in loose ring snaffle n they respond well. But out wit mares my 'truckers arms' r d only thing stopping them frm coming up WAY 2 close behind. They r young n in time this will pass but cud it b sooner wit bitless?
LaRanaTJ 3 years ago
Typing in "text" language when conversing on the internet forums is very rude LaRanaTJ. You're not using a mobile phone here, so please don't spell like you are. It shows a total lack of respect for the other people on the forum, and is very hard to read. I would suggest that rather than rely on a piece of equipment, you put an effort into learning some horsemanship skills so that you don't have those control problems. There are many Natural Horsemanship people who ride stallions bridleless.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
Pues venga Chica, lees que he escrito - pidiendo consejos/avisos - no tengo la mente cerrada, el contrario, no como tu. Escribí en forma texto por que de los limites de texto en youtube, no por falta de educación. Me siento lastima para ti que tienes el tiempo para escribir ´aire´ y no para ayudar un pedido genuine. Busca la vida - lo mas lejo del mundo equino posible - por que los caballos necesitan gente con educación, paciencia y la mente abierta.
LaRanaTJ 2 years ago
Y fijat wapa - el post tiene mas k 1 año de edad y puede ser k me e informado - mejor k tu! - ya k estoy montando (y compitiendo y ganando) cn mi semental sn filete - gracias a la gente cn paciencia celebro y compasión k me ha ayudado - no como la gente como tu k jura sn le y sn saber d k abla
LaRanaTJ 2 years ago
y tanto mas has mosqueado con tu comento idiotico que te tengo que repetir si no tienes el tiempo para leer en condiciones en principio o menos toda vía conocimiento de un asunto NO CONTESTES. Y si no has entendido nada que he escrito cambia tu apodo español guapita. Hay bastante equivocando de sobra en el mundo equino sin que cuando una persona pide ayuda imbeciles como tu responde en este forma
LaRanaTJ 2 years ago
Lo siento. Yo hablo solo un poco espanol. No entiendo. I have obviously really upset you and I apologise for that. Text speak in online forums really annoys me. My comment regarding horsemanship was genuine - if you learn Natural Horsemanship techniques your problems with your "strong" horse will diminish and disappear. Buena suerte.
VivaLaVidaChica 2 years ago
all i can say is....WOW!
horses4evr29 3 years ago
I would love to have those bridles! I have bits on both my horses though I know they don't need them- like I can ride the one with nothing on him at all but the other one is still being trained and since he hates the bit I would like to get him a bridle with no bit so he might have a better time in the ring :)
theflyingflea 3 years ago
horses just plain can't be out of a bit, you find some good ones like the stallions i ride, which don't even need a bridle to be controlled around a mare either, and i am 13 and i have been able to control this stallion since i was 6, the stallions listens to his rider even if a mare in heat enters the ring, he used to be abused though, there are such wonderful horses, but trust me,the bit's been around for 100 years at least, and it will be aorund for at least 100 more
cowgirl22hannah 4 years ago
Why????? You say you don't need a bit to control your stallion. Hundreds of people have posted videos and stories proving you don't need bits. Why must bits stay around to hurt horses for another hundred years??? If we don't need to use bits, why keep using them? Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
well i ride stallions and studs without any tack at all, all on the use of leg aid, it IS more the horse than the rider i have found out, just the way they are trained, but bits are not bad, it is just great riders can take breaks from them,as well as good horses. some
cowgirl22hannah 4 years ago
um, bit's don't hurt a horse IF you use it properly. Very pretty horse, and she is a good rider. But they way they are talking it sounds as though the bit is a terrible thing, never to be used again! I'm not against the bit less at all. don't get me wrong! lol
Maegshorsejump 4 years ago
I truly believe that 10 years from now, bits will become totally obsolete. If you train the horse and rider bitless from the start, why would you need a bit? If you read the customer comments at the nurturalhorse web site, you might agre with that possibility! Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
but the bit does not hurt the horse, unless it is mis used. What do u see all the olyimpic riders using?
Maegshorsejump 4 years ago
"A long custom of thinking a thing not wrong gives it a semblance of being right." Tradition passed down from the likes of Attila the Hun dictates the use of a bit. You do not need to intentionally mis-use a bit to cause pain. Check the video link and independent studies at our site under bits vs bitless - the facts. Why use a bit if you do not need to? Most of us are not perfect, and most cause pain at some time with a bit. I certainly ride better and am happier without a bit. Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
well, each to it's own, I guess. I'm not against the bit less. But I am saying that bits are NOT abuse, unless you are inexperienced, or if you just decide to yank on the bit.
Maegshorsejump 4 years ago 5
You're wrong, bits will always be around. Just because you dont use one doesn't mean that everyone else has to train/ride YOUR way. I respect that you use bitless bridles, but let people who do use bits use them. I use a bit, and so does everyone else I know. None of the horses I ride or know dislike or are hurt by the bit. I agree that if the horse is showing pain you should find an alternative method, but if the horse is fine and not complaining then there isn't anything wrong. End of story.
bcbeaupied 3 years ago
I haven't seen one of these bitless videos where the horse is truly giving in the head, shoulders and pole without TONS of rein pressure from the rider...
CaliHorseGirl 4 years ago 3
You may want to check out "Bitless Dressage in the Rain - Nurturally! It has had 459 views and not one comment yet! This shows a higher dressage level. (This horse sets his head behind the verticle in bit or bitless) Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
I kinda of agree with you CaliHorseGirl. Horses just do not give very well to this natural stuff. I do ride with a bitless type bridle when I trail ride and have worked with my horse to give with it and he might for a moment but he is always pulling on it. If I use my snaffle bit he stays flexed without hanging on to him all the time to stay flexed.
PaintedHorseLover 4 years ago
This is exactly my experience... I had a client who rode "bitless", and she had to keep so much pressure on her horse to get her flexed and supple that I eventually talked her into a smooth snaffle, which made the mare and my client MUCH happier. I think the "bitless" bridles have thier place, but they are just never going to be a replacement for snaffles or even some curbs. Even most show trainers who use "bosals" to show train in snaffles, go figure!!! LOL
CaliHorseGirl 4 years ago
I agree with you. Some people don't ride correctly with a bit, but not all! And if they yank on the bit, I'm sure they can still hurt a horse with the 'bit less'.
Maegshorsejump 4 years ago
There are TONS of well documented reports of harm caused by bits and we have seen NO reports of people hurting their horses in the Nurtural Bitless Bridle. You may want to check the Bits Vs Bitless page at the nurturalhorse web site. You'll also find links to other videos of your beloved bits.
You may want to also check the customer comments page of people who open their minds and try riding in THIS bitless bridle. Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
I love it! I always try to train my horses in bitless. this model look amazing. Ill put it on my holiday list. =) its perfect for my 3 year old Belgian draft who is teething right now
Kdeliso 4 years ago
HI, I'm from the UK and use a Dr Cooks bitless bridle for both Show Jumping and Cross Country. I ride an ex race horse (full thoroughbred). I use to when I event at British Eventing Intro level and have had some excelent results. In my first 4 ever events I have come 7,5 and 3. I would'nt use a bitted bridle again in either dicipline. SHame you can't compete at dressage either in one.
OllyWoodUK 4 years ago
i should say sorry for my comment about stealing the design,i don't know about that and should not say that.I'm Sorry about that.I'm a total believer in bittless,i ride my blind mare with only a halter with reins hooked to it.Never used a bit and she's 18.i was going to switch to bittless bidle but just to much and don't know if she'd go from halter to those
myblindhorse 4 years ago
umm, too bad your 'champion' looks like crap cause you can't set his head.
varemaerke 4 years ago
Do you really feel that is a fair comment for a 15 year old girl riding this horse for the first time bitless? I personally do not expect immediate perfection from a student rider with any new piece of equipment - especially on a stallion that is used to his own routine. Perhaps she never tried to 'set his head' - that was certainly not the point of the exercise. Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
Rock on! Now the horses need to go shoeless and whipless and the horses will in a way be a lot more natrual!
ShannyPants2 4 years ago
Absolutley! Actually we just asked if we could borrow a horse for that day, and were a tad suprised that the "really well trained Morgan" we were promised turned out to be a stallion! It was quite an adventure. We do hope to develop our own nurtured horses to the point they can be shown ... one day.
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
a bitless bridle is called a hackamore.
wolfblood11 4 years ago
Ummm. There are many types of bitless bridles - hackamores, bosals, sidepulls, and many versions of cross-under bitless bridles. They all work differently.
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
Yes, this is a well trained horse and a good rider. The bridle works off of 4 pressure points on the head. You can see more at the nurturalhorse web site. Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
It's all in the leg and pressure of the bridle on the horse I am sure. But I don't wanna to go around assuming things.
Erikislove 4 years ago
Are those bridles legal for FEI or EC rated A-shows for hunter/jumper or three day? I can ride all my studs in sidepulls and halters and am looking for a bitless option to be able to legally show in. I'm not right up to date on the show rules , but I thought the only legal bitless option was the old school hackamores for jumper.
If they are legal for jumper or three day for FEI and EC rules , I'm gettin' me one!
sckoowadiddleywahoo2 4 years ago
I wish! You need to check first. Some will allow you to participate but not compete (so you get a score and have the fun and show what can be done ... but no formal standing -which sucks) We need to get organized and lobby these folks to open their eyes and hearts to a kinder, better way! Some folks train bitless most of the time and use a bit every couple weeks and in shows. It keeps the horse soft and responsive. It will get better as more people go bitless! Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
I have actually been to Guys Acres and seen thses bridles in action. They are amazing and I would never use anything else ever again!!
bitznbats 4 years ago
Thanks! If you have a moment, read our customer comments at our web site.
Yes you can ride western. Check out the photos of "Badger" doing barrels and polls in the Can Am report. Or... he has a video posted here! You can link to it at my channel or search the word 'nurtural'. That Can Am report has photos of dressage collected horses with flexed necks. I promise I will post more video 'soon'!
Cheers! Zoe - designer of the Nurtural No-Bit Bridle.
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
you didn't designe the no-bit britle,you stole the ides from someone and claim it as yours.your a fake and the price you charge for it is a joke
myblindhorse 4 years ago
Hi I just noticed your comment. I most certainly did design this bridle and have ample proof. It is very unique and patented. MANY customer comments support how much better it works than any other bitless bridle avaialable. I am glad that so many horses and people have much better lives because of this bridle. Zoe
NurturalHorse 4 years ago
it looks alot like dr cooks for three times the price.you could have only changed one small part and have it patented.whats so unique and why so much
myblindhorse 4 years ago
Very nice vedio, I like the whole over all feel and idea. Can she get the stallion to flex his neck? is that possible with the bitless bridels? A lot of judges I ride for LOVE the still flexed look.
DartanionMom 4 years ago
Wow! This is neat. Can you ride western with this bridle?
Marilyn
butterflysrage 4 years ago