Pt 5 Unquestionably Powerful Archaeology for the Book of Mormon

[EltonJThe]

I think the word 'Ziff' pertains to a metal or a shape that Joseph Smith wasn't acquainted with. A young man with only a 3rd grade education would not know all the metals discovered. One thing is for sure, 'Ziff' isn't a word corresponding to one of the 7 metals of Antiquity. Joseph would have known what those were. They are mentioned in the Bible.

[veracities]

Ziff is an established biblical name that JS used in Mosiah 11:3,8 in a list of 'precious things'

This list included iron and brass? HOOT!

And you call this "Unquestionably Powerful Archaeology"

Didn't you mean QUESTIONABLE?

[MrGavygav]

wonderful wonderful work!!! thanks Kerry

[truthferrret]

Correct me if i'm wrong Prof, but here's how I interpret your logic

LDS scholars have found an archaic semitic word 'zw' meaning 'splendor/brightness'

They claim 'zw' can be transliterated as 'zif'

Some metal items could be considered objects of great beauty which attract admiration(splendor)

Items made of some types of metal could be described as 'bright'

You conclude that 'ziff' is a metal, or as Tvedvtnes claims "perhaps an alloy or a naturally occurring metal such as electrum"

[omiolo]

Meanwhile, the recovery continues in disaster-weary sections of Samoa. Clean-up efforts are ongoing and members who lost their homes are working to rebuild. Missionary work has also resumed in full.

"We have missionaries back in all the affected areas and we're teaching the gospel," said President Haleck.

[truthferrret]

The name Ziff (Ziph; Zif; siph) appears over half a dozen tomes in the Bible!

Another word to cross off your "unquestionably powerful" list.

[TheBackyardProfessor]

Not at all. It IS a genuine word dealing with metal as the BofM states. Show me in the Bible where "Ziff" is described as a metal in the ENGLISH which is what Smith would have had (presumably)

[truthferrret]

The cognate you quote as a semitic source for this word doesn't mean metal.

It means splendour, magnificence, grandeur or dazzling brightness.

Now a metal can be shiny and bright, but that's just an adjective!

[omiolo]

I get a kick out of your name **truthferret**, at least I won't take it personal next time you dodge the specific topic at hand and dance into a tangential one, since now I know you do it to BYP also.

BTW, the topic at hand was ZIFF related to metal, NOT some form of that related to ANYTHING you can think of!

[omiolo]

Now, a word also to our younger brethren of the Melchizedek Priesthood, who are pursuing the righteous goals of obtaining an education and finding an eternal spouse. These are the correct goals, my brethren, but remember: working diligently in the Lords vineyard will greatly upgrade your résumé and increase the probability for success in both of these worthy endeavors.

[omiolo]

Through the years these activities continued. Most of these young men matured in the gospel, and a miracle happened. Over time, nine of the boys who were not members were baptized. They changed from loud, rowdy boys into valiant stripling warriors

[omiolo]

They sang together every time they came to our home. Their loud sound hurt our ears. But we always praised them because listening to them sing was far more enjoyable than seeing them get into trouble.

[baeritukaez]

Why didn't Joseph Smith know about the Khazars (converts) and why didn't he know that Western European nations are self-identified as Israelites? There are artifacts in the UK that suggest the British Isles were occupied by Israelites. Two that come to mind are the Stone of Scone and the Scottish Declaration of Independence. Also, tales of Tea Tephi and Joseph of Aramathea are relevant.

What about the Quran? Mohammad's claims are just as verifiable as Smith's, and even moreso in most cases.

[omiolo]

"There are artifacts in the UK that suggest the British Isles were occupied by Israelites"

there is a break off group of the Mormons that hold to that.

They believe them to be the descendants of Mulek.

[omiolo]

Nice bait and switch on your part.

Is that your way of conceding the point and desperately wanting to move onto ANOTHER one?

[baeritukaez]

What are you talking about? What "bait and switch"? Make sense or shut up.

[omiolo]

maybe you should go back and read our conversation, and this time focus on comprehension. Then ask yourself why you have to bait and switch....

[omiolo2]

did I hear that right, Shem = Samuel?

[baeritukaez]

@omiolo2 You heard him say that, but it's not true.

[omiolo]

please elaborate!

[baeritukaez]

Pronounced SAM-yoo-el. It is of Hebrew origin, and its meaning is "God heard". Also possibly as "requested of God", "God's heart" or "God's name".

Saying Shem is Sam is also saying that Shem and Samson are the same name, but if they are supposed to be rooted in the same language then they cannot be the same otherwise we would call Samson "Shem" and call Shem "Samuel", but we don't. It doesn't mean they are interchangeable.

They simply share a common root.

[omiolo]

call we call Jesus and Joshua the same?

[baeritukaez]

No.

Joshua has a different spelling in Hebrew than Yeshu, and Jesus is a poor transliteration of Yeshu into Latin. There was no letter J in those days, either. 

It's a different name.

[omiolo]

The Greek text makes no distinction between Jesus and Joshua, referring to them both as Ἰησοῦς.

[baeritukaez]

That's AFTER translation. Prior to translation they are different names with different spellings.

*Iasous* is the equivalent of Hebrew *Yehoshua*, but Joshua in Hebrew is spelled yod-hey-waw-shin-waw-ayin. In contrast, Jesus' name is spelled ישו.

If you don't know the difference between these two words then you've already lost the game.