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Amazing. A clear portrayal of the New Covenant. How delicious it is!!
Green333Giant 4 months ago
7.35 Kris is talking about god releasing mercy on non christians because of the cross. Basically saying that god creates justice through jesus on the cross, but that 10.00 'jesus didn't just die for christians, he died for the world'
what do you think chris is teaching here. universalism? well done with the editing by the way
Kingdonomics 7 months ago
@Kingdonomics
No, he's teaching that grace is made available to all men. Which is true, that's how you came into the Kingdom in the first place, grace is made available to all, even sinners.
But like I said before in Ephesians 2:8, you are not saved by grace alone. You are saved by grace through faith.
whizzpopping 7 months ago
I don't understand, is Kris saying god forgives everyone? Cos I don't think this is what the bible teaches
Kingdonomics 7 months ago
@Kingdonomics
1 Jn 2:2, 2 Cor 5:19, Col 2:13, John 8:11
The price Christ paid for forgiveness is sufficient for all sin, past, present and future, that's how you can get saved 2,000 years after the cross. That does not mean everyone is saved. That is the grace that they have been extended, they only receive the benefits of it when appropriate it by faith (Eph 2:8).
People do not go to hell for their sins. They go to hell for rejecting the payment for their sins, that is, unbelief in Christ.
whizzpopping 7 months ago
Everytime I hear this message I think by myself: 'How come it renews my mind even after hearing this for the fourth time?'. The old way of thinking just seems to sneak in to my mind.
MrJesseeee7 7 months ago
Beautiful message, it is the theme of the new covenant that should transform the church.
QueerAsFaith 8 months ago
Hmm. I'm not sure what I think about this teaching. Definitely agree with gist of it but some thing just doesn't feel completely correct about the Old/New Testament dichotomy. I don't know. On one hand it makes sense but on the other hand it just doesn't feel quite right.
Lechteron 8 months ago
@Lechteron
You can watch the whole thing (link in the description) to get a better context and a more thorough explanation. Unfortunately I can only communicate things to a certain extent when I am editing things down to a 10 minute segment.
whizzpopping 8 months ago
@whizzpopping I think I realized what it was. I don't think it right to say that God essentially changed His character between the OT/NT eras. I love a lot of what Kris says but part of this just doesn't feel right in my spirit.
Lechteron 8 months ago
@Lechteron Your sense is right! Kris quotes "You have heard it that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy'" (Matt 5:43). But the footnote that immediately follows 'Love your enemy' shows it's from Lev. 19:18, which doesn't include 'and hate your enemy' at all. Jesus must've been addressing the teachers of the time for adding that (faulty) interpretation. But Kris is presenting it like it's exactly what God said, and uses that to pit the God of the OT against the God of the NT.
twce 8 months ago
@twce
He didn't change character. It's an explicit change of covenants that results in a different expression of God's nature.
He says over and over, people in the old covenant are treated according to their own works (law). People in the new covenant are treated according to Christ's works (grace). That's John 1:17.
It's explicit in Hebrews 1:1-3 and Col 1:15. Jesus is perfect theology (John 14:9). He extends mercy and grace to the sinners. Hello? There was a drastic change.
whizzpopping 8 months ago
@whizzpopping Hmm, well, I didn't say anything about covenant (there are differing views on it), but what I did say was that Kris was trying to establish his point using a flawed reading of Matt 5:43. He selectively chose not to explain what Jesus was quoting in order to make his case sound stronger. It's just bad teaching mixed with some truths, and that's why it leaves people feeling like they agree with some of his conclusions, but not with how he got there.
twce 8 months ago
@twce
Sorry, I guess I was referring more to Lechteron's statement.
But yea. I get what you're saying. Valid.
whizzpopping 8 months ago