Why not throw them all together into a single RAID 5 array? You would be able to keep fault tolerance and have more space to use. You would probably see a speed increase as well.
@howeyman09 OS drives are accessed much more frequently so the usage in general leads to shorter lifespans. Add to the fact that a virus infection could leave you unable to transfer files FROM the OS drive leaving you at the mercy of an OS installer that won't forcibly format your drive. Partitions only work for the very poor and shared drive for OS and say video recording will greatly reduce performance especially if someone is not smart enough to disable an OS's pagefile.
@jabcreations Splitting a single array into two logical partitions is, in the eyes of software, equivalent to having two physical partitions. You wouldn't have to nuke the whole array if you were reinstalling the operating system, you would just format the partition set aside for the operating system and leave any other partitions for data alone.
@jabcreations As for any increased usage, I would imagine there would be considerably less wear and tear per drive, as the files the operating system would have to access are broken apart and stretched across several disks instead of accessing from just one (which also has the added benefit of being a bit speedier than a single drive). Even if one were to fail, that's that redundancy is for. Plop in another drive, rebuild, and you're good to go.
@seth0941 Asus is a flood company that doesn't care about it's customers. The fact that they list RAID 1+0 as RAID 10 shows a further lack of professionalism on their part.
@jabcreations what would they know? They are only the number one manufacture of motherboards in the world and one of the largest on all other aspects in computer parts. Yes a raid 10 is a 1+0 but to say that calling it a raid 10 is wrong is incorrect. Fact is that it is called a raid 10 and calling it a 1+0 is just describing what it dose.
@seth0941 Really? REALLY? 1+0 is not equal to 10. Just like 5 is not equal to 6. Saying "RAID 10" suggests a different type of RAID from "RAID 1+0".
Also Asus got in to their position by flooding the market with crap products that die when people mindlessly think about replacing their system after two years. They don't care about their customers.
Not really, they are behind supermicro and IBM on build quality, so they aren't the industry leader. They may be the best seller, but that's different. Anyhow, raid10 can mean both raid 1+0 and raid 0+1 (I have never seen raid 01 without a plus). To me, it's important whether it's 1+0, 0+1 or both supported on a controller, so jabcreations is right: it's not quite professional on their part to ignore this detail.
I have a question . i have a old pc. with a foxcon m/b and a 150gb h/d with vista on it and all my best programs that i don`t want to delete, i now have just got me a £1000 zooped up zoostorm pc.
is it possible to put the old h/d in the new pc but still run all the programs and the oc and switch between the two?
@sunhouse76 College is a total waste. Building your own system comes down to your budget and your goals.
If your drive is IDE there is a maybe a 10% chance newer motherboards won't have IDE connectors (you can get a PCI addon card for about $10-20 though).
Wiki is good for non-social/political topics. Read tech news sites and feel free to ask questions.
ok both my drives are sata and in my new zoostorm pc is sata also, what i really would like to do is put my old 150gb drive in the new zoostorm and be able to switch between to 2 oc, so i can do and have everything all in 1 pc.lol is this possible?
im glad about the college bit cos im 35 this year and time is of essence lmao.
@sunhouse76 You can use the same drive for two different systems however at least with Windows if you use the same copy of Windows with a different computer not only will it 95% of the time NOT boot though it'll not boot anymore on the system you installed that copy of Windows on. You'd have to have some OS choice and make it clear which OS is for which machine...so in other words a simple mistake could cost you hours of aggravation.
@jabcreations arrrrr ok ic well i think il just keep it were it is and have 2 pc`s instead of the 1 big one, and then over time just install all the same programs onto my new one,
you see all the cool progs are torrents and getting the serial no to work on them all was way hard for some of them, well more time assuming then hard.
i think as a project i may look into see if its possible to take a external hd out of its case and install on the pc, cos i have three 1tb ex drives
bro. id love to know in depth about all this and i cant afford to go to college and cant get funding either to go, but id love to learn, i have loads of time on mu hands.do you have any advice about how i can learn all this, like good books, programmes :eg.
@Dantakurasaki You'll have to go in to your bios to make sure the controller is set to RAID and not merely SATA/IDE. Then you'll need to enter the controller's RAID "bios" before your OS starts loading.
Also having 2 SSD's in RAID 0 and two 2TB drives in RAID 1 is not RAID 0+1, it's a RAID 0 and a RAID 1 on the same system. Raid 0+1 is when you have four same drives (two drives per RAID 0 and one RAID 0 copies the other RAID 0).
@pinoyeh It's a web cam, I do web design and development, not graphics. What is important is that people learn from the videos, quality of the format only goes so far.
This is something that needs to be posted on the support forum of the manufacturer of the drive you're having troubles with. YouTube is a quick-and-dirty conversation sort of deal not well suited for more in-depth issues like you're dealing with plus I wouldn't know how to resolve that issue any way.
I have WD External my-book pro Dual Hard disk 1TB (each Hard disk 500gb)
It have One partition of 1tb . My external my-book pro device get burn b.c of High voltage and i bought new adapter its not working with it either. I took both hard disk from it they are fine. I Attach each drive to my pc but not showing data. Now i need my Data and want to use in my system....
@lovejaan143 You really have to be careful about AC/DC converters because they don't always output the same voltage, amps, etc. Not that I'd ever buy an external but in your shoes I'd take it out of the case and just hook it up directly to the computer to make sure it's not dead.
first WD my-book AC adapter is stop working and i bought someone Other AC adapter after few months its goes fine now my WD show Writing error or usb plugin problems
I like your idea of splitting up the operating system data and your personal data onto "2" separate drives. One question though: do you have to install your programs onto the C: drive though (or on with the operating system drive) or can they be installed on, say, your D: drive such that they would always be there even after a re-install of the operating system? (i.e. like instead of having to reinstall ALL the programs after an operating system reinstall?)
@coolboarder44 Technically most programs will run fine after manually moving them to a separate "drive", formatting, and then moving them back.
Instead of reinstalling everything it would be better to setup everything once and should it all work without a hitch create an image...copying the image to a formatted drive is much faster then manually installing everything and then having to tweak for hours. ;-)
@jabcreations Hmm, interesting...that sounds so much easier! I've always been reinstalling ALL my programs again after a fresh XP install. Takes for freakin' ever!!! Your method of an image sound so much easier, but what exactly do you mean by that? Create an image of all your currently installed programs or something which can be utilized after a new install? Does it need a specific program to do that? Thanks for replying :)
@coolboarder44 I actually have only heard of this from a friend so I don't know what software to use unfortunately. I'd have to do a bit of research myself. Try looking for "HDClone", though I have never used it I did a quick search.
@grooveclubhouse When I had a very high end Asus motherboard I had to choose between onboard RAID and USB. Look up "Asus RMA" and you'll see the details. However you could still try to setup it up via the onboard RAID. A dedicated card would reduce the load on your CPU though I think (at least offhand) it would be a negligible difference. Consider my opinion to be somewhat intermediate in regards to RAID.
yes I've heard that having a dedicated card does help take load off the cpu a bit. as far as "asus RMA" though all i get is people talking about returning it back to asus. Return materials authorization. thats not what I should be looking for right? I have ordered the Asus M4A785TD-V evo and it does support raid. (building my first rig here and thanks for the info)
@grooveclubhouse I just don't think Asus stands by their products is all from my personal experience.
Try the onboard RAID. If it works great! I would recommend running the OS bare minimal before drivers and such and looking at the CPU load both before running the drives in RAID and after. If you don't notice any considerable difference then I don't think the impact will be something to worry about.
ok so the RMA i was the right one. sorry I was thinking it had to do with raid lol. Well its a bit late now but hey I'll give it a go.
So I should install the win 7 on one drive see how that works then pop the second one in and see if my performance takes a nose dive. If so get a dedicated card. Is it possible to go from a single disk drive to raid 1 with little hassle? again thanks for your time.
@grooveclubhouse No, you'll have to format after you setup the RAID because you lose all the data on drives that you take in or out of a RAID array unless it's a RAID 1 specifically.
First off my case is limited to five internal drives and I need two separate RAID 1's. Secondly what YOU would do is not necessarily what other people would do.
In regards to SSD's I'd take two twin 64GB drives and put them in to RAID 0 for C:\ Windows and app. If the read is 230MB on a single drive then combined would be 460MB.
I would've put them into RAID 0, for the extra speed, but then if one drive messes up, the other does as well. If I had a third slot, which is rare, I would've put them into RAID 5.
@StopMotionMind RAID 5 sounds good though my case is limited to five internal bays and most cases are limited to six or less. Good case designs rapidly disappear past six internal bays, at least on Newegg. I have a lot of disagreements with various "designs" that trap heat.
I have my OS and stuff on my 1TB hard drive and i bought 2*320GB hard drives for RAID, and plan to put all my stuff on the RAIDed drives, without any external drives, how could i move all my stuff to the RAIDed drives and use the 1TB drive as backup??
HELP! I have VIA RAID Tool showing on 'startup' (window & tray icon) I understand it has s'thing to do with my Motherboard & arranging hard-drives if more than 1. I have 1 hard drive & 1 removeable from an older 'puter & it's only inserted when I need to access old files only & wonder if I can delete the VIA RAID tool from my computer safely?
This VIA thingy seems to work in the b'ground as well & I think makes my 'puter take ages to be completely 'booted' . TY for any help. D. :)
@chchang1 Use the Raid 0 for fast booting and applications and then use the standalone drive for My Documents/work/music/videos/etc. If you have mission-critical stuff though it should be on a Raid 1. You could do C:\ = Raid 0 and D:\ = Raid 1.
@chchang1 There are programs friends have used to make an image of just their OS instead of the entire drive so if it crashes they can re-image the OS back and not have to reinstall everything...what they use I don't know.
simple terms it puts half of everything on 1 drive and the other half on the other. 1 drive fails you lost everything, raid 1 is a mirror that the best but you be wasteing adrive but as long as 1 drive is working you good. raid 5 the best but 3 drive min
Good explanation on RAID. I just wanted to point out since you made and posted this video about 2yrs ago Windows Vista and 7 does allow you to move your users folder. My documents is stored with in this folder. They changed the entire concept of how Documents and Settings work. The only tedious part about that is you have to changed the location for all the files located within you account. But it works and 7 is by far faster than XP and stable. I have been running it since Sep and works great.
I have to disagree with their implementation as it breaks off with what regular Windows users have come to expect. The changes are too drastic and the GUI requires two to five times the clicking to achieve the same goals on XP. I can't afford to waste high-level thought process on something simple so I can't recommend using Windows Vista or 7. I'm eventually switching to Linux once I find a distro I really like.
Most of what you need to know are in the video annotations.
In regards to hard drive choice you want a drive with the fewest platters. Currently 2TB drives are composed of 4/500 GB platters. So you can buy a single platter 500GB or a two platter 1TB drive.
Raid 1 is good for protecting data at the risk of either drive dying though halves your capacity. It barrels down to how much do you value THAT data in comparison to other data you store?
so for example if I have a pc and my pc has 3 hard disk and the main C: is a 8GB what the two HDD's do ? i put on my pc and aint appear on "my computer"
If there are two separate RAID setups you can not say Raid 1+1 or Raid 1+0. It would be Raid 1 and Raid 0. If you say Raid 0+1 or 1+0 then the correct application of how it's put are four drives (one pair for RAID 0 and the other in RAID 1)...where you effectively mirror your strip or strip your mirror.
I don't understand the risk/chance of a drive dying. What's the chance of a Drive dying before you setup this RAID? and whats the chance after? I just want to make my pc access things faster. Will partitioning my drive into smaller drives access faster? some one please help!
It's not if a drive will die, but when. I use Seagates which have had a five year warranty for as long as I can remember. If it dies in four and a half years they give me a replacement. :-)
The point of using RAID 1 is to prevent data loss. If one drive dies you still *HAVE* your data. Imagine loosing all your music and videos for example. Now imagine having one dead drive but STILL having all your data. That shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
I UNDERSTAND RAID 1. It's that I don't understand the risk of a drive "dying". All I constantly hear is people talking about dying drives, when refering to raid. I was under the impression that if you setup a RAID thingy, you have more chance of it dying. Anyways I plan on burning all my music etc. onto DVDs from now on, because I want to do a fresh install etc.
RAID 0 has TWICE the chance of loosing all your data since you span all the data across two drives as if they were one...if EITHER drive dies then you lose ALL the data on both drives even though one may still be usable. THAT is the increased risk, double the risk. RAID 1 HALVES the risk in a single drive setup.
Also, I'm obviously no expert, but doesn't RAID 1 load faster than what I already have? and another question if I dont have a RAID setup, what is it called? like default or what ever? I want to setup this RAID 1 when I do a new install of windows, because mines all over the place on the drives. All I want to know is do I need any additional hardware? or could I just set it up with my mother board? which is an ASUS p5k-e. or if you could refer me to a video for setting it up that would help me.
Seagate no longer has the 5 year warranty. The date was sometime in January I believe, but if you buy a Seagate today you will only get 3-yr warranty.
Tom's Hardware did am article about that some time ago. I've always purchased two of the exact same drives and it's highly recommended. What happens when you pair a 5400RPM 40GB drive with a 10,000RPM 300GB Raptor? It just wouldn't make sense even with different capacities.
There is a chain of thought that you should not use identical drives. The thought is that a fault in a particular batch of drives COULD take out both drives in a similar timeframe. Whilst I agree this is possible, I would have thought it's unlikely and I like to use the same make/model drives in my RAID setup
hey nice dude umm i have the 780i mother bord and want to set up a striped aray or 4 250g 7500rmp hdds all the same (helps with performance) i have done some reshearch and playing round and cant get my raid to work at all
i have from what i no turned on all the raid setting in the bios and made up the array properly (i think) and cant get it to boot fully from disc it gets as far as al most choosing (install a fresh copy of windows or repair screen) but dosent quite make it to that part =S
I've *NEVER* gotten raid to work on *ANY* of my nForce4 motherboards...so I presume it's some sort of universal f-up on nVidia's part. I am using a dedicated raid controller, see my channel's sidebar.
You may be able to clone one drive to another and "build" a raid though I have not yet had the distasteful pleasure of having to rebuild a raid setup. I set mine up from scratch.
I have built a custom computer and everything is installed already. Right now, I have only C drive and planning to add another drive in raid 0. Is it possible to have a C drive(regular) and D drive (in RAID 0)?
Raid will save time if a hard drive fails but it's not my backup, I rely on Cd/DVD/DL-DVD and a USB flash drive in example to have non-live (wired) backups.
I am buying a 74gb raptor next month...I am gonna have that one and a 250gb 7200prm harddrive.. but i am also thinking of having these two 250gb WD harddrives in raid 0 or raid 1... is it faster to have two harddrives in raid 0 then to have one harddrive just plane solid...
do you need an adapter card to use raid if i have the sata inputs on the mobo and if i get a sata drive do i have to use raid or can it just connect as is??
In my personal experience none of the onboard raid controllers have EVER worked on nForce4 chipsets (thats about five or six motherboards and counting now). You *shouldn't* have to buy an addon raid controller but I decided to give up on onboard raid controllers that never worked and went with a HighPoint RocketRAID 2300 to make use of one of the PCI-E 1X slots on my board. I have a lot of peace of mind knowing that I won't lose my important data so easily.
It's an option, but since I pretty much do business stuff with large amounts of data it's always nice to have my stuff instantly made in to two copies.
so does the computer recognize both drives (the regular ones, not the backups) individually, or does it see them as one drive? if so, does that mean you have raid 0 and raid 1 at the same time?
XP's device manager sees two SCSI devices. In Disk Management it shows one Raid 1 drive as a dynamic disk. It simply has to be enabled unless you're already booting from it.
well if you have different size hdd's, when making a raid configuration, the higher capacity drive will be seen as having the same size as the lower capacity hdd ( meaning if you have 1 hdd at 120gb and another at 200gb, in raid they will have a total of 240gb)
You can't do raid unless you have two hard drives. I'm not sure of any or what consequences if the drives don't match capacity and other differences. I always purchase hard drives in pairs.
Yes, I love this case, I'd rate it a mid to high ninety-something...right now it's no longer on Newegg and thats sad because most cases offend most of my senses.
i know what you mean ive had to work on millions of pcs and tons of cases are just a mission to work with example dell or ibm =0 i was thinking about getting a gigabyte 3d aurora buts its super expensive over here in new zealand =o but i like the layout of the Scorpio =D. i belive they were alot cheaper to ^_^.
Why not throw them all together into a single RAID 5 array? You would be able to keep fault tolerance and have more space to use. You would probably see a speed increase as well.
howeyman09 9 months ago
@howeyman09 It's ALWAYS a poor idea to put one's personal and work files on the same drive as the OS, period.
jabcreations 9 months ago
@howeyman09 OS drives are accessed much more frequently so the usage in general leads to shorter lifespans. Add to the fact that a virus infection could leave you unable to transfer files FROM the OS drive leaving you at the mercy of an OS installer that won't forcibly format your drive. Partitions only work for the very poor and shared drive for OS and say video recording will greatly reduce performance especially if someone is not smart enough to disable an OS's pagefile.
jabcreations 9 months ago
@jabcreations Splitting a single array into two logical partitions is, in the eyes of software, equivalent to having two physical partitions. You wouldn't have to nuke the whole array if you were reinstalling the operating system, you would just format the partition set aside for the operating system and leave any other partitions for data alone.
howeyman09 9 months ago
@howeyman09 That's only acceptable if you're on a very tight budget. If you value information your goal is to REDUCE the risk of it's loss.
jabcreations 9 months ago
@jabcreations As for any increased usage, I would imagine there would be considerably less wear and tear per drive, as the files the operating system would have to access are broken apart and stretched across several disks instead of accessing from just one (which also has the added benefit of being a bit speedier than a single drive). Even if one were to fail, that's that redundancy is for. Plop in another drive, rebuild, and you're good to go.
howeyman09 9 months ago
@jabcreations
Look into this:
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Explorer\User Shell Folders
That should do the trick for you.
parahumanoid 10 months ago
@parahumanoid What was my question? I posted this video about three ago.
jabcreations 10 months ago
@jabcreations
It was about relocating My documents and other special folders. Nevermind, I didn't look the video's age.
parahumanoid 10 months ago
dude just saying when you get the money get a better camera just saying ok :)
aust1nww 1 year ago
if one disk dies and you put a new one in how to make a mirror of that disk onto the empty one ?
007foppe 1 year ago
@007foppe Subjective to the software associated with the RAID; there are bound to be tutorial videos on how to do that so I recommend searching. ;-)
jabcreations 1 year ago
Kinda funny. "there is no raid 10" well.... tell that to ASUS, they list raid 10 as a option.
seth0941 1 year ago
@seth0941 Asus is a flood company that doesn't care about it's customers. The fact that they list RAID 1+0 as RAID 10 shows a further lack of professionalism on their part.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations what would they know? They are only the number one manufacture of motherboards in the world and one of the largest on all other aspects in computer parts. Yes a raid 10 is a 1+0 but to say that calling it a raid 10 is wrong is incorrect. Fact is that it is called a raid 10 and calling it a 1+0 is just describing what it dose.
seth0941 1 year ago
@seth0941 Really? REALLY? 1+0 is not equal to 10. Just like 5 is not equal to 6. Saying "RAID 10" suggests a different type of RAID from "RAID 1+0".
Also Asus got in to their position by flooding the market with crap products that die when people mindlessly think about replacing their system after two years. They don't care about their customers.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@seth0941
Not really, they are behind supermicro and IBM on build quality, so they aren't the industry leader. They may be the best seller, but that's different. Anyhow, raid10 can mean both raid 1+0 and raid 0+1 (I have never seen raid 01 without a plus). To me, it's important whether it's 1+0, 0+1 or both supported on a controller, so jabcreations is right: it's not quite professional on their part to ignore this detail.
parahumanoid 10 months ago
also m8..
I have a question . i have a old pc. with a foxcon m/b and a 150gb h/d with vista on it and all my best programs that i don`t want to delete, i now have just got me a £1000 zooped up zoostorm pc.
is it possible to put the old h/d in the new pc but still run all the programs and the oc and switch between the two?
i also have 3 1tb external drives .
sunhouse76 1 year ago
@sunhouse76 College is a total waste. Building your own system comes down to your budget and your goals.
If your drive is IDE there is a maybe a 10% chance newer motherboards won't have IDE connectors (you can get a PCI addon card for about $10-20 though).
Wiki is good for non-social/political topics. Read tech news sites and feel free to ask questions.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations
thanks bro.
ok both my drives are sata and in my new zoostorm pc is sata also, what i really would like to do is put my old 150gb drive in the new zoostorm and be able to switch between to 2 oc, so i can do and have everything all in 1 pc.lol is this possible?
im glad about the college bit cos im 35 this year and time is of essence lmao.
thanks again.
sunhouse76 1 year ago
@sunhouse76 You can use the same drive for two different systems however at least with Windows if you use the same copy of Windows with a different computer not only will it 95% of the time NOT boot though it'll not boot anymore on the system you installed that copy of Windows on. You'd have to have some OS choice and make it clear which OS is for which machine...so in other words a simple mistake could cost you hours of aggravation.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations arrrrr ok ic well i think il just keep it were it is and have 2 pc`s instead of the 1 big one, and then over time just install all the same programs onto my new one,
you see all the cool progs are torrents and getting the serial no to work on them all was way hard for some of them, well more time assuming then hard.
i think as a project i may look into see if its possible to take a external hd out of its case and install on the pc, cos i have three 1tb ex drives
anyhoo thanks :)
sunhouse76 1 year ago
bro. id love to know in depth about all this and i cant afford to go to college and cant get funding either to go, but id love to learn, i have loads of time on mu hands.do you have any advice about how i can learn all this, like good books, programmes :eg.
i am torrent savey .
thanks man.
sunhouse76 1 year ago
damn bro been watching this vide for a few min didnt realize it was you just wanted to say fantastic vid your very easy to follow
asus3571 1 year ago
hey could you help me and tell me how to set up a raid 0+1 cuz my alienware came with 2 samsung ssd in a raid 0
and i wanna put to seagate berracuda 2tb in a raid 1
can you help me???
Dantakurasaki 1 year ago
@Dantakurasaki You'll have to go in to your bios to make sure the controller is set to RAID and not merely SATA/IDE. Then you'll need to enter the controller's RAID "bios" before your OS starts loading.
Also having 2 SSD's in RAID 0 and two 2TB drives in RAID 1 is not RAID 0+1, it's a RAID 0 and a RAID 1 on the same system. Raid 0+1 is when you have four same drives (two drives per RAID 0 and one RAID 0 copies the other RAID 0).
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations thanks dude and also thanks for going into detail and explaining the difference to me
Dantakurasaki 1 year ago
Your computer is freakin fast but the quality of your video is freakin slow. WTF !
pinoyeh 1 year ago
@pinoyeh It's a web cam, I do web design and development, not graphics. What is important is that people learn from the videos, quality of the format only goes so far.
jabcreations 1 year ago
7 FTW
zaknanny 1 year ago
yes raid is, raid 1 and yeah easily saved
PsalmsOfPlanets072 1 year ago
This is something that needs to be posted on the support forum of the manufacturer of the drive you're having troubles with. YouTube is a quick-and-dirty conversation sort of deal not well suited for more in-depth issues like you're dealing with plus I wouldn't know how to resolve that issue any way.
jabcreations 1 year ago
lol, raid 10, SMACK! hahahahaha,
btw 5 stars bra! Best explanation yet. It's nice to find someone explaining exactly what I'm lookin gto do, raid 1+0, hahahahaha
kingdogol 1 year ago
Can anyone solve my Problem...
I have WD External my-book pro Dual Hard disk 1TB (each Hard disk 500gb)
It have One partition of 1tb . My external my-book pro device get burn b.c of High voltage and i bought new adapter its not working with it either. I took both hard disk from it they are fine. I Attach each drive to my pc but not showing data. Now i need my Data and want to use in my system....
lovejaan143 1 year ago
@lovejaan143 You really have to be careful about AC/DC converters because they don't always output the same voltage, amps, etc. Not that I'd ever buy an external but in your shoes I'd take it out of the case and just hook it up directly to the computer to make sure it's not dead.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations Thanks for reply
first WD my-book AC adapter is stop working and i bought someone Other AC adapter after few months its goes fine now my WD show Writing error or usb plugin problems
lovejaan143 1 year ago
@lovejaan143 Dude, whoa, proper sentence structure please! I have no clue if you actually said if there was a problem still or not?
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations hehe , ok
Problem is when i plug-in usb to my system its goes fine for 10 minths then give error corrupted or writing error
lovejaan143 1 year ago
@jaa93997 LoL No, it's really personal files (family photos, funny images from online, music collection, etc) and work (web site stuff).
jabcreations 1 year ago
i didn't hear a word you said about raid devices i actually stopped your video and started listening to the prodigy :p
tomsie1000 1 year ago
I like your idea of splitting up the operating system data and your personal data onto "2" separate drives. One question though: do you have to install your programs onto the C: drive though (or on with the operating system drive) or can they be installed on, say, your D: drive such that they would always be there even after a re-install of the operating system? (i.e. like instead of having to reinstall ALL the programs after an operating system reinstall?)
coolboarder44 1 year ago
@coolboarder44 Technically most programs will run fine after manually moving them to a separate "drive", formatting, and then moving them back.
Instead of reinstalling everything it would be better to setup everything once and should it all work without a hitch create an image...copying the image to a formatted drive is much faster then manually installing everything and then having to tweak for hours. ;-)
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations Hmm, interesting...that sounds so much easier! I've always been reinstalling ALL my programs again after a fresh XP install. Takes for freakin' ever!!! Your method of an image sound so much easier, but what exactly do you mean by that? Create an image of all your currently installed programs or something which can be utilized after a new install? Does it need a specific program to do that? Thanks for replying :)
coolboarder44 1 year ago
@coolboarder44 I actually have only heard of this from a friend so I don't know what software to use unfortunately. I'd have to do a bit of research myself. Try looking for "HDClone", though I have never used it I did a quick search.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations Okay, thanks for all your help with this!
coolboarder44 1 year ago
hi
do you know how to install the os/programs to say 1tb raid of 2 drives and all data files to say another 1tb raid ?
many thanks
jamie
TheTechGuy007 1 year ago
@TheTechGuy007 If the OS has the drivers for the RAID device it should see it like any other hard drive just fine.
jabcreations 1 year ago
@jabcreations So, your computer is like, the pwnage machine! XD?
lillisund 1 year ago
@lillisund If I need to wield my godly powers I can. :-D
jabcreations 1 year ago
on my asus Mobo it has built in raid. Is this as good as a dedicated raid card?
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
@grooveclubhouse When I had a very high end Asus motherboard I had to choose between onboard RAID and USB. Look up "Asus RMA" and you'll see the details. However you could still try to setup it up via the onboard RAID. A dedicated card would reduce the load on your CPU though I think (at least offhand) it would be a negligible difference. Consider my opinion to be somewhat intermediate in regards to RAID.
jabcreations 1 year ago
yes I've heard that having a dedicated card does help take load off the cpu a bit. as far as "asus RMA" though all i get is people talking about returning it back to asus. Return materials authorization. thats not what I should be looking for right? I have ordered the Asus M4A785TD-V evo and it does support raid. (building my first rig here and thanks for the info)
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
@grooveclubhouse I just don't think Asus stands by their products is all from my personal experience.
Try the onboard RAID. If it works great! I would recommend running the OS bare minimal before drivers and such and looking at the CPU load both before running the drives in RAID and after. If you don't notice any considerable difference then I don't think the impact will be something to worry about.
jabcreations 1 year ago
ok so the RMA i was the right one. sorry I was thinking it had to do with raid lol. Well its a bit late now but hey I'll give it a go.
So I should install the win 7 on one drive see how that works then pop the second one in and see if my performance takes a nose dive. If so get a dedicated card. Is it possible to go from a single disk drive to raid 1 with little hassle? again thanks for your time.
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
@grooveclubhouse No, you'll have to format after you setup the RAID because you lose all the data on drives that you take in or out of a RAID array unless it's a RAID 1 specifically.
jabcreations 1 year ago
Look up 'onboard raid versus dedicated raid' on a search engine and get more opinions and have a good night. :-)
jabcreations 1 year ago
will do. thanks man you too.
grooveclubhouse 1 year ago
I meant rare, since I have a laptop ;) I think I can fit 8 drives in my desktop, if I used all of my front trays as well.
You said Redundant Array Independant Disks, isn't it Inexpensive, not Independant?
StopMotionMind 1 year ago
You should've put three drives into RAID 0+1.
Anyway, I have two 256GB SSDs in my laptop. One is the fastest in the world (samsung), the other is almost as fast. Neither are in raid.
StopMotionMind 2 years ago
First off my case is limited to five internal drives and I need two separate RAID 1's. Secondly what YOU would do is not necessarily what other people would do.
In regards to SSD's I'd take two twin 64GB drives and put them in to RAID 0 for C:\ Windows and app. If the read is 230MB on a single drive then combined would be 460MB.
jabcreations 2 years ago
I would've put them into RAID 0, for the extra speed, but then if one drive messes up, the other does as well. If I had a third slot, which is rare, I would've put them into RAID 5.
StopMotionMind 2 years ago
@StopMotionMind RAID 5 sounds good though my case is limited to five internal bays and most cases are limited to six or less. Good case designs rapidly disappear past six internal bays, at least on Newegg. I have a lot of disagreements with various "designs" that trap heat.
jabcreations 2 years ago
I have my OS and stuff on my 1TB hard drive and i bought 2*320GB hard drives for RAID, and plan to put all my stuff on the RAIDed drives, without any external drives, how could i move all my stuff to the RAIDed drives and use the 1TB drive as backup??
Thx
chchang1 2 years ago
@chchang1 Comments are moderated, stop reposting over and over and over again, that's insanely obnoxious.
Once your RAID is setup you cut and paste the files. Computers 101.
jabcreations 2 years ago
HELP! I have VIA RAID Tool showing on 'startup' (window & tray icon) I understand it has s'thing to do with my Motherboard & arranging hard-drives if more than 1. I have 1 hard drive & 1 removeable from an older 'puter & it's only inserted when I need to access old files only & wonder if I can delete the VIA RAID tool from my computer safely?
This VIA thingy seems to work in the b'ground as well & I think makes my 'puter take ages to be completely 'booted' . TY for any help. D. :)
NoDraMuzz 2 years ago
If i make two small hard drives on RAID 0 and a big hard drive for backup, would it be good??
chchang1 2 years ago
@chchang1 Use the Raid 0 for fast booting and applications and then use the standalone drive for My Documents/work/music/videos/etc. If you have mission-critical stuff though it should be on a Raid 1. You could do C:\ = Raid 0 and D:\ = Raid 1.
jabcreations 2 years ago
thx, and should i make a system image as a backup??
chchang1 2 years ago
@chchang1 There are programs friends have used to make an image of just their OS instead of the entire drive so if it crashes they can re-image the OS back and not have to reinstall everything...what they use I don't know.
jabcreations 2 years ago
@chchang1
simple terms it puts half of everything on 1 drive and the other half on the other. 1 drive fails you lost everything, raid 1 is a mirror that the best but you be wasteing adrive but as long as 1 drive is working you good. raid 5 the best but 3 drive min
deluxedookie 2 years ago
Good explanation on RAID. I just wanted to point out since you made and posted this video about 2yrs ago Windows Vista and 7 does allow you to move your users folder. My documents is stored with in this folder. They changed the entire concept of how Documents and Settings work. The only tedious part about that is you have to changed the location for all the files located within you account. But it works and 7 is by far faster than XP and stable. I have been running it since Sep and works great.
DBlizt2k6 2 years ago
I have to disagree with their implementation as it breaks off with what regular Windows users have come to expect. The changes are too drastic and the GUI requires two to five times the clicking to achieve the same goals on XP. I can't afford to waste high-level thought process on something simple so I can't recommend using Windows Vista or 7. I'm eventually switching to Linux once I find a distro I really like.
jabcreations 2 years ago
boycotting hollywood FTW
they make TOO much money as it is
thanks for the good tips
goqwertygo 2 years ago
hey what software do you use in case one of the raid drives fail? couldn't hear in video
Socrates271 2 years ago
There are plenty of options if you do a search. ;-)
jabcreations 2 years ago
kk thanks figured as much
Socrates271 2 years ago
Thanks, as in the video I'm running two Raid 1's, not Raid 0, so performance is a secondary interest.
jabcreations 2 years ago
Thanks for the clip. Can you please help me with a question?
I'm configuring an HP desktop and can't decide whether to get a 500GB Raid 1 HD (2X500GB) or a single 1TB.
Since I still need to back up with an external HD, I'm not sure the Raid 1 offers enough safety advantage in return for the capacity loss.
Are raid systems more prone to technical problems, etc.? What's your opinion? Thanks!
reti123 2 years ago
Most of what you need to know are in the video annotations.
In regards to hard drive choice you want a drive with the fewest platters. Currently 2TB drives are composed of 4/500 GB platters. So you can buy a single platter 500GB or a two platter 1TB drive.
Raid 1 is good for protecting data at the risk of either drive dying though halves your capacity. It barrels down to how much do you value THAT data in comparison to other data you store?
jabcreations 2 years ago
Thank-you.
reti123 2 years ago
the music is very distracting....anyways nice explanation :)
powerfultoa7 2 years ago
so for example if I have a pc and my pc has 3 hard disk and the main C: is a 8GB what the two HDD's do ? i put on my pc and aint appear on "my computer"
xXcHePo713Xx 2 years ago
Subtract words, add sentence structure, use a question mark, and try asking your question again in a way that in comprehensible.
jabcreations 2 years ago
nice setup, never thought of using 2 RAID1 like this.
DocKillRoy 2 years ago
If there are two separate RAID setups you can not say Raid 1+1 or Raid 1+0. It would be Raid 1 and Raid 0. If you say Raid 0+1 or 1+0 then the correct application of how it's put are four drives (one pair for RAID 0 and the other in RAID 1)...where you effectively mirror your strip or strip your mirror.
jabcreations 2 years ago
maybe he has raid 1+0 or 0+1 if its in raid 1 then ALL of the drivers are exact copies of eachother.
kind of stupid to have 5 or 6 drives in raid 1 all the drives exactly the same
EnT271 2 years ago
why not use raid 1+0
CRAKIZGOOD 3 years ago
HighPoint? I am sure it was cheap, but really either stick with ICH9R or buy a real RAID card, with onboard RISC processor.
mygaffer 3 years ago
RAID 10
SergeKGB 3 years ago
how many connectors does your raid card have? And what brand raid card are you using?
BCR1422 3 years ago
HighPoint RocketRAID 2300, four internal.
jabcreations 3 years ago
I don't understand the risk/chance of a drive dying. What's the chance of a Drive dying before you setup this RAID? and whats the chance after? I just want to make my pc access things faster. Will partitioning my drive into smaller drives access faster? some one please help!
CaptainHep 3 years ago
A Hard drive is a Mechanical Device. Their are moving parts. So The Chance of a failure is 100%
CenTelDesignStudios 3 years ago
It's not if a drive will die, but when. I use Seagates which have had a five year warranty for as long as I can remember. If it dies in four and a half years they give me a replacement. :-)
The point of using RAID 1 is to prevent data loss. If one drive dies you still *HAVE* your data. Imagine loosing all your music and videos for example. Now imagine having one dead drive but STILL having all your data. That shouldn't be too difficult to understand.
jabcreations 3 years ago
I UNDERSTAND RAID 1. It's that I don't understand the risk of a drive "dying". All I constantly hear is people talking about dying drives, when refering to raid. I was under the impression that if you setup a RAID thingy, you have more chance of it dying. Anyways I plan on burning all my music etc. onto DVDs from now on, because I want to do a fresh install etc.
CaptainHep 3 years ago
RAID 0 has TWICE the chance of loosing all your data since you span all the data across two drives as if they were one...if EITHER drive dies then you lose ALL the data on both drives even though one may still be usable. THAT is the increased risk, double the risk. RAID 1 HALVES the risk in a single drive setup.
jabcreations 3 years ago
Also, I'm obviously no expert, but doesn't RAID 1 load faster than what I already have? and another question if I dont have a RAID setup, what is it called? like default or what ever? I want to setup this RAID 1 when I do a new install of windows, because mines all over the place on the drives. All I want to know is do I need any additional hardware? or could I just set it up with my mother board? which is an ASUS p5k-e. or if you could refer me to a video for setting it up that would help me.
CaptainHep 3 years ago
ASUS blows, look for my ASUS RMA video. Sorry to hear you've been suckered in to buying from such a shady manufacturer.
Each RAID type (0, 1, 5, 0+1, 1+0, etc) has various benefits and draw backs. Just do a search for RAID benchmarks.
jabcreations 3 years ago
I work for a computer repair shop, and we've never had a problem with RMA's.
mygaffer 3 years ago
Seagate no longer has the 5 year warranty. The date was sometime in January I believe, but if you buy a Seagate today you will only get 3-yr warranty.
mygaffer 3 years ago
Thats correct, you best purchase additional matching drives if you plan on building and maintaining a raid system.
Schneebuddy 3 years ago
To set up a RAID 1, do both hard drives have to be the same brand, rpm, etc. etc. etc.?
n310ea 3 years ago
Tom's Hardware did am article about that some time ago. I've always purchased two of the exact same drives and it's highly recommended. What happens when you pair a 5400RPM 40GB drive with a 10,000RPM 300GB Raptor? It just wouldn't make sense even with different capacities.
jabcreations 3 years ago
There is a chain of thought that you should not use identical drives. The thought is that a fault in a particular batch of drives COULD take out both drives in a similar timeframe. Whilst I agree this is possible, I would have thought it's unlikely and I like to use the same make/model drives in my RAID setup
petethomson 3 years ago
Ultra Aluminus case right?
chanaman12345 3 years ago
See channel sidebar.
jabcreations 3 years ago
ty maan, i diden know that raid 10 was 1+0
mullema 3 years ago
is that the 3d urora case? if so you just showed me how to wire manage it
timmie124 3 years ago
Raidmax Scorpio 668WBP, see channel sidebar.
jabcreations 3 years ago
well its very close to the same
timmie124 3 years ago
hard drives are like pancakes lol
jezzajames 3 years ago
can you partition a disk in raid 1 and still raid?
ie a c: and d: drive with two disks where each drive is partitioned in half?
or can you run a raid 1 to boot and just have a storage drive you back up on dvd? for a total of three disks!
tcduck02 3 years ago
Raid is at the hardware level, partitions are at the software level.
If you want multiple drive letters for a single drive (raided or not) then that is YOUR preference, certainly not mine.
jabcreations 3 years ago
Ask your questions here for other people to see. Reply to YOUR thread, don't start new threads, it's bad etiquette.
jabcreations 3 years ago
hey nice dude umm i have the 780i mother bord and want to set up a striped aray or 4 250g 7500rmp hdds all the same (helps with performance) i have done some reshearch and playing round and cant get my raid to work at all
i have from what i no turned on all the raid setting in the bios and made up the array properly (i think) and cant get it to boot fully from disc it gets as far as al most choosing (install a fresh copy of windows or repair screen) but dosent quite make it to that part =S
gremlinkiller 3 years ago
I've *NEVER* gotten raid to work on *ANY* of my nForce4 motherboards...so I presume it's some sort of universal f-up on nVidia's part. I am using a dedicated raid controller, see my channel's sidebar.
jabcreations 3 years ago
yeh im now thinking of a raid card that way i dont drop fps in gaming
gremlinkiller 3 years ago
Look for raid card benchmarks. MaximumPC had an article about raid cards though they tend to review obnoxiously priced hardware.
jabcreations 3 years ago
how exactly would raid zero give you more profromance
2 drives twice the loading profromance
and how would it store information on two drive as one. 50/50
dude i'll be back im going to wikipedia
paulbreor 3 years ago
Will I have to reinstall my os if I do raid?
123456iambelial 3 years ago
You may be able to clone one drive to another and "build" a raid though I have not yet had the distasteful pleasure of having to rebuild a raid setup. I set mine up from scratch.
jabcreations 3 years ago
I have built a custom computer and everything is installed already. Right now, I have only C drive and planning to add another drive in raid 0. Is it possible to have a C drive(regular) and D drive (in RAID 0)?
123456iambelial 3 years ago
If you use a dozen drives in Raid 5 they will all be a single drive letter **unless** you start creating partitions.
So in a sense any individual raid array appears to your computer as a SINGLE physical disk.
jabcreations 3 years ago
Thanks
123456iambelial 3 years ago
in RAID 1 will i t copy the os?
123456iambelial 3 years ago
Raid will save time if a hard drive fails but it's not my backup, I rely on Cd/DVD/DL-DVD and a USB flash drive in example to have non-live (wired) backups.
jabcreations 3 years ago
with that dumb music in the background how can anyone hear what you said on that video ?
edthewise 3 years ago 2
I am buying a 74gb raptor next month...I am gonna have that one and a 250gb 7200prm harddrive.. but i am also thinking of having these two 250gb WD harddrives in raid 0 or raid 1... is it faster to have two harddrives in raid 0 then to have one harddrive just plane solid...
MXhm91 4 years ago
Why have the 250GB drives in raid 0? You're more likely to boot from XP on the Raptor so put THOSE drives in Raid 0 if you get two.
If anything your personal files aren't worth loosing with the double-threat of drive failure raid 0 posses so I'd only recommend raid 1 for your D:\.
jabcreations 4 years ago
do you need an adapter card to use raid if i have the sata inputs on the mobo and if i get a sata drive do i have to use raid or can it just connect as is??
BoY860 4 years ago
In my personal experience none of the onboard raid controllers have EVER worked on nForce4 chipsets (thats about five or six motherboards and counting now). You *shouldn't* have to buy an addon raid controller but I decided to give up on onboard raid controllers that never worked and went with a HighPoint RocketRAID 2300 to make use of one of the PCI-E 1X slots on my board. I have a lot of peace of mind knowing that I won't lose my important data so easily.
jabcreations 4 years ago
is raid mandatory with sata hard drives or is it just an option
BoY860 4 years ago
It's an option, but since I pretty much do business stuff with large amounts of data it's always nice to have my stuff instantly made in to two copies.
jabcreations 4 years ago
so does the computer recognize both drives (the regular ones, not the backups) individually, or does it see them as one drive? if so, does that mean you have raid 0 and raid 1 at the same time?
evbunke2 4 years ago
XP's device manager sees two SCSI devices. In Disk Management it shows one Raid 1 drive as a dynamic disk. It simply has to be enabled unless you're already booting from it.
jabcreations 4 years ago
well if you have different size hdd's, when making a raid configuration, the higher capacity drive will be seen as having the same size as the lower capacity hdd ( meaning if you have 1 hdd at 120gb and another at 200gb, in raid they will have a total of 240gb)
fauldes 4 years ago
No wonder u got so hot pc the air that comes in is already warmed by those hard drives. If i only get 1 HD do i need to install those raid things ?
Kepkaaa 4 years ago
You can't do raid unless you have two hard drives. I'm not sure of any or what consequences if the drives don't match capacity and other differences. I always purchase hard drives in pairs.
jabcreations 4 years ago
very nice setup, its always good idea to protect your data :D
foxxylink 4 years ago
wrong answer man.. your a web designing hardcore gamer xD
shaolindreams 4 years ago
Haha thanks!
jabcreations 4 years ago
is that a gigabyte 3d aurora case ?
~Jayson
nzboy2007 4 years ago
Raidmax Scorpio 668WBP
jabcreations 4 years ago
ooh right my bad so thats the inside style of the Scorpio series =D.
~Jayson
nzboy2007 4 years ago
Yes, I love this case, I'd rate it a mid to high ninety-something...right now it's no longer on Newegg and thats sad because most cases offend most of my senses.
jabcreations 4 years ago
i know what you mean ive had to work on millions of pcs and tons of cases are just a mission to work with example dell or ibm =0 i was thinking about getting a gigabyte 3d aurora buts its super expensive over here in new zealand =o but i like the layout of the Scorpio =D. i belive they were alot cheaper to ^_^.
~Jayson
nzboy2007 4 years ago