kalari is lethal, known best for it's pressure point attacks ... It may not have showy moves like kung fu or karate.. yet its a way of life ,a path to spirituality. and please dont judge kalaripayatt with this two decade old videos .
@shubroto81 thats a myth brother.... Non veg food was part of the hindus since ancient times.....yeah brahmins didnt eat that but khsatritya casts,warriors,adivasis consumed meat.
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
Qing Scholars of the same time as the preface denounced the author of the preface as "an ignorant village master" because there are MANY historical errors in the preface, including getting who was emperor at the time WRONG. that is like saying Bush is still president.
google this
"A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan"
There is ONE source for this bodhi myth. 1800s PREFACE of the yi jin jing has the story of him staring at a rock wall for years then disappearing into thin air leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the yi jin jing, which doesnt teach any fighting. it only teaches stretches and breathing exercises. even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi taught shaolin monks anything.
historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) have discredited the myth and the preface altogether.
@TenteixSaigo Actually the Hindus in North India don't eat meat. The Hindus in South India eat meat except the Brahmins. This martial art is from South India in Kerala. Most of their diet is going to be rice and fish, but people eat chicken, beef, and, lamb as well. If you are not from Kerala, you wouldn't understand anything about the state.
@TenteixSaigo Nope, eating cows is not illegal in every part of India, maybe the North. I eat beef all the time when I visit relatives in Kerala, but then again I'm a Syrian Orthodox Christian. From my own personal experience, the Hindus do eat beef in Kerala. My family was invited by our neighbors for lunch and dinner on many occasions.
@TenteixSaigo Where is your friend from? Goa? That state has the most Catholics due to the Portuguese. Kerala has Orthodoxy due to St. Thomas the Apostle and Middle Eastern Assyrian/Syrian Orthodox Christians. The Portuguese came to Kerala and converted the people to Catholicism as well. The majority of India is Hindu, so the laws were made by the kings of those parts. I'm not saying every state it is illegal to eat beef, it's because India is a Hindu oriented country.
@JJMATHIAS23 today the hindus eat meat, at one time they didn't eat meat. Things have changed now, not eating meat actually quietens your mind and increases focus and reduces the passions. Even a lot of shaolin monks don't eat meat.
@MrXiphos7 This martial art is from Kerala, which is in South India. It's only practiced in the South. Kerala has been trading with the Chinese for more than 3,000 years, so I'm sure this martial arts knowledge was passed to them and then they just refined the techniques. It's like Brazilian jiu-jitsu from Japanese jiu-jitsu. Most of the invasions came from the North, they never got to the south. The only invasion was the British, they brought guns. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
@JJMATHIAS23 come on...those 'guns' (blackpowder musket type) could not hav lasted for long...plus there is something greater than guns ....called tactics/strategy...so still why did the indians fail...there are records that portuguese swordsmen used to defeat these indiand in swordfights regularly.....
@MrXiphos7 and yeah, it takes perfection to achieve the showmanship. so for that sake being a clown is also a difficult task. And as always, kung fu was laid down by an indian monk, so its a derivative of these martial arts. Every system has its strengths and flaws, if you dont understand that, i cant help.
@AdrenophileG i never asked your help anyway....and your arguments are flawed,if we have to devote ourselves,our time and energy (and in today's times..money),it has to be for something fruitful..the martial practices must not become a joke(eg showmanship etc)..they have to be for combat effectiveness only...
@MrXiphos7 Even the samurai system deteriorated in Japan eventhought they are one of the best examples of warrior classes, most old things give way to new.Appreciate the art, because it has got more spirituality and perfect mental and physical conditioning and an outlook with wisdom, which you clearly fail to understand. If you were to run a country and i were to drop a nuke, i wanna see you strategize !! They were not used to guns and got overwhelmed. No guns in a swordfight and vice versa.
@AdrenophileG actually you are the one who has failed to understand the true purpose of martial sciences...their purpose is combat excellence and nothing else...as far as this spiritual bullshit is concerned,i frankly feel that is more of a personal philosophy..martial practices should not be diluted due to that....and as for your samurai comment,you are right ...the old must give way to the new...so wouldnt that apply to this kalari thing as well ??
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practied martial arts.
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
Are they fighting with metal WHIPS and shields at 5'30"? It s somewhere between badass and scary dangerous and training eye-loss accident waiting to happen! Fascinating video, beautiful martial tradition too.
I know they're mostly practicing forms so it looks like choreographed, but it really looks like a bollywood production dance number. What do youexpect. India has had millenia of Raj's or small kingdoms that existed only through alliance and war with each other so no wonder many martial arts began in india.
Whoever has doubt about Bodi dharma giving martial art to chinese can go to Shaolin temple and ask the monks there. I have spoken to chinese athletes from shaolin and did my research as well. I have practised karate and taekwondo for more than 10 yrs and can challenge anyone on this. I can see lots of similarities between chinese and this ancient martial art. Only things is indians didnt develop the art while chinese refined it and are still refining the techniques.
@anick27 ..I challenge you to show me any Kalaripayatu expert that can throw a decent kick, they can't. Better yet, watch the episode of Fight Quest and see how two Americans, Dough & Jimmy embarrased the Kalaripayatu experts by simple take downs because they couldn't execute a simple kick. And also watch the epic retarded flying kick by the kalari expert at 7:12. video title is "BACKSTREET KALARI FIGHT".
@gbb357 you're absolutely right dude....i bet a 6 yr old shaolin kid could kick any kalari fellow's ass....have you seen how skinny they are lol.....:)
@MrXiphos7 shaolin martial arts or kung fu in general is no more than buzz. its actually not as effective as most might think.
Krav-Maga is much more effective than all the others since it was first created like 50 years ago for military use and still being developed.
if you want to learn how to protect urself i suggest krav maga. if you want to empathize on clear movement with no effectiveness, go for far east martial arts
both can be fun to learn and healthy for the body so i say all is great
@qweasdzxcname you are absolutely right...i,myself too prefer modern fighting styles like mma,krav maga etc(in fact i am a practitioner of krav maga).....but i was comparing shaolin with kalari, if you compare shaolinquan with kalari,shaolin is a lot superior
@anick27...Also, bodi dharma myth/lie has no credible factual proof, that's a fact, can't deny it and you wouldn't be able to show one either. I have spoken to several Kung Fu masters of more than 20 yrs, all have said the same thing, Kung Fu is from China not India. Eshan Shafiq, master of Kung Fu for 25yrs says Kung Fu is from China. Furthermore, there's no similarities at all, just compare the kicks. Again show me factual credible proof, you can't.
@anick27 ...All bodi dharma taught was religion, phylosophy, and yoga, that's it. No proof that he even knew martial arts, and there's definitely no proof that the monks didn't knew martial arts, that's a fact, period.
Head Monk at Shaolin temple of martial arts in china admiited that martial arts was taught to them by bodi dharma an Indian. Google Bodi Dharma for more details. But chinese refined the art with time and gave their own names later on.
this isnt no bullshit whiteboy mma...these fools will seriously hurt you and if your nice they will heal you afterwards.. Just because it isnt in MMA doesnt mean that it dont exist...this 5000 yr old art form is just being discovered in the West...big up to Trish Stratus for going to Keralam and fucking with us...she is a killa
It's the mother of all martial arts..but what happened with other moves..I mean It doesn't show all..I hate wepaon and love hand to hand combat..in one Indian they show..these people had a dark art which parlize the person if u can show those moves...mouuuua
This is indeed a mother of martial arts. Indians are practicing the same from past 2000 years - South India People. An individual needs to give his 10-15 years to become master in this. This went to China in ancient times and they later on did changes in the same and developed Kung Fu. It is very difficult to defeat any Kalari expert. There r many hidden facts. India is great, proud to be an Indian...Love to all...from India..
@bloodmage478 Yea it did.. it was improved upon by the chinese at Shaolin. Better postures and better creation and transference of power in the strikes. And better weapons with more "money" and resources in the temple..
@dalesalsa nope, shaolin kung fu existed far before the indian monk. even the 2 founders of the temple were already masters. the only thing the indian monk did was work on meditation and breathing. no techniques whatsoever.
@angryaznman REally...? where did you get that research..? I really want to get this debate figured out already.. There seems like there are always people saying India first/ others saying Shaolin first..
wiki shaolin monestery - patron saint - at the bottom it talks about the indian monk, and what martial arts historians think of him bringing kung fu to China
wiki Bodhidharma - Bodhidharma at Shaolin
every page i mentioned has sourced texts and historians that say all this indian wishful thinking is a myth.
@angryaznman Cool.. I will check it out..... are there any good books to read? I don't really trust wikipedia that much but rather enjoy books more..
@dalesalsa ill do you one better. there is ZERO indian text giving credit of kung fu to bodhi. (you know who they credit for martial art? parashurama. a mythical figure)
the ENTIRE BASE of this claim, is the yi jin jing. specifically, the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yi Jin Jing.
it is this preface which you can read, and see it is full of errors. this means the ONLY base for this bodhidharama claim, is full of errors and dismissed by historians. what else is thereto say?
@angryaznman reallyyy? holly shit.. damn... Also I didn't know that there were already 2 monks versed in fighting skills! That basically discredits everything already right there. Because if anything Bodhi would just have "improved" it if anything...
Huiguang and Sengchou were the first 2 Shaolin Monks and they already practiced martial arts. Senchou's skill with the tin staff was even documented in the Chinese Buddhist Canon 大藏經 (historical text)
the Chinese Buddhist Canon isnt just one text. its a collection of texts. but the writer who said it sourced these books.
Wei Shou , Wei History , Shanghai: Zhonghua Shuju, 1936
Tang Hao Shaolin Wudang Research (Shaolin Wudang Kao), 1930
Li Chi, trans., The Travel Diaries of Hsu Hsia-K'o, The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Matsuda Ryuji An Outline of Chinese Martial Arts History (Zhongguo Wushu Shi Lue), trans. Lu Yan and Yan Hai, Sichuan Science and Technological Press, 1984
Does the fact that India is the source of eastern martial arts, amongst other things, mean anything at all? It holds no sway on modern Indians, so why some on here feel so good about themselves i will never know.
And it has been said many times, but there no such thing as a better martial art. People that say this, clearly have never trained.
kalari is the mother of all martial arts,its said that shaolin kungfu was developed from it..So like in every field India is the best in martial arts also.
We keralaties did have precious indigenous culture along with Tamils which has to do with Hinduism; Brits were aware of that! That’s why they preserved everything and did most of expedition around the world! Not like other dogmatic pious Christian foreign invaders- Portuguese and Dutch who demolished ancient Hindu temples built churches on top of them.
Please don't misunderstand me I LOVE JESUS MORE THAN MY SOUL but I'm bound by ethics rules Guys! Truth must be told! Some pious Christian say that Christianity was indigenous culture in Kerala that's not true either! St. Thomas Arrived 53 A.D.?Then keralaties must had arrived along with him right?
Needless to say that Kalari martial arts stemmed from Malayalees but most of our indigeneous ancient arts were already extinct due to the foreigners' invasion; I myself Malayalee Christian, deeply love with my native culture and arts! I'm really sorry to say this, When I chat and my Christians brothers and sisters, they tend to brag about Christianity and how old it was, Please do aware that Vatican counsel disapproved theory of St. Thomas arrival in Kerala So did the Jews and Arabs!
Martial Arts roots foundational root is in India true martial artists know this. Even the late great Bruce Lee acknowledges this! The Chinese and Japanese learned combat from the indians.
Around the 3rd century BC, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali taught how to meditate single-mindedly on points located inside one's body, which was later used in martial arts.
The Chinese school of martial arts agrees with the South Indian school on the principle of 108 pressure points.
Siddhartha Gautama himself was a champion of swordplay, wrestling and archery before becoming the Buddha.
^his anti-Indian rants are dismissed by the fact Buddha was Indian MA
Finally, Kalari is not the Ancient Indian 'Mother of All Martial Arts'
Before the 1600s (arrival of the British), India was fragmented into kingdoms. Tamil Akkam was Kerla,Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. It was arguably the 'toughest' kingdom-Asoka couldn't even conquer it.
Original Martial Arts of Tamil Akkam: Kuttu Varisai (empty hand combat-like Karate/Kung Fu), Varma Kalai (pressure point study /introduction of acupuncture into Asia), and weapons.
Before anyone tries dispute Bodidharma's creation of Kung Fu-yes, the Yi Ji Jing (scripture showing how Bodidharma created Kung Fu) may be disputed by some as fictional folklore written after Bodidharma's passing, but it's accepted Bodidharma contributed toward teaching exercise/meditation to monks.
Not to mention Bodidharma travelled through Indonesia and Vietnam as well as visiting Northern Siam. Many credit him contributing toward Silat and Muay Thai.
200AD is where a Greek Wrestling Manual was written.
I think 50BC or 200AD is the birth of official MA
The Indian contribution to the Martial Arts are great though-Dhyana spread Buddishm in AD464-477. Bodhi Dharma came in 550AD to promote exercise,meditation,breathing and mind frame to the Monks. Arguably, he taught the physical conditioning required in Kung Fu.
kalari is malayalam word and malayalam came from tamil that is classical tamil in ancient time till 13century kerala was a part of tamil nadu then how come people say that this art belong to kerala . basically they r tamils . each and every maliyali must know this . and thats my request .silambam in tamil ,kalari in malayalam
Just look at the motions, posturing, stances, fluidity and you see resemblances to the arts like Muay Thai, Krabi Krabong, chinese wushu, korean hwarangdo, japanese iado and karate, indonesian silat, etc. all these descended from Indian martial arts.
the FUNDAMENTAL of all martial arts IS BREATHING AND YOGA TECHQNIUES.....which orignates FROM INDIA....yoga was the initial start of marial arts....So angryaznman can shout all he wants...the ROOT OF ALL MARTIAL ARTS IS FROM INDIA.....without yoga, breathing techniques from india martial arts would not emerged in the form it has. Buddism and yoga philosophy is the BEDROCK of martial arts...IT CAME FORM INDIA NO ANYWHERE ELSE.....
@TheDharmaArmyofASIA Root of martial arts comes from all over...Martial arts are forms of fighting.....Martial arts would have origionated in africa and the middle east, and around the mediteranian....where early man started to grow societies....Early egypt, and probably ages earlier had fighting systems taught to people in order for them to be effective in battle THOUSANDS of years ago....I guess India may be able to be thrown into the mix, but they still arent as ancient ar some civilizations
The internet is great. I remember reading about Kalari in the '80s in some encyclopaedia of martial arts but being able to see practitioners in action is much, much better.
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen
Phillip Zarrilli practitioner of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. One of the notable Western authorities on the subject of Indian martial arts. Zarrilli authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes:"
kalari is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught math etc. later, there were fight schools, thats what payattu kalari means.
kalari the word in Sangam was NOT used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen.
Phillip Zarilli, one of the few western scholars on KP and Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai an Indian historian. both are recognized authorities on KP. they date the MARTIAL ART at 11 and 12 century, not the term/tradition.
@MrBharanish you are making an assumption. the fact of the matter is the schools of learning in kerala are having payyatu attached to them. they were originally about math and science and academics.
as soon as the "fight schools" came around, they were attached to that long tradition. this is why those KP experts and even the historian from Kerala date the martial art itself so. they do not trace the traditional usage of the schools of learning, just the martial act.
so not only did the FIRST 2 shaolin monks already know kung fu, not only was there chinese MA BEFORE kalari.
but last but not least, the ONE source that give bodhi credit, is the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yi Jin Jing (not in the YJJ itself). This preface is also full of errors. Martial Arts Historians Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi have now discredited the preface and the bodidharma myth as well. END.
18 luo han hands were by the 18 luo han monks. The 5 animal styles were from Li Sou, Hong Quan and Jueyuan. There is nothing left for bodhi to claim LMAO.
Yes, I heard of the painting. One problem, first, it only shows various shaded monks all wearing Chinese clothes practicing. Second, it doesn’t say anything about bodhidharma. Third, it was done during Ming, a MILLENIUM AFTER bodhi’s time. So way to go.
It looks like a simple art compared to something like Kung Fu. The explanation for that is probably that this is still practiced in a manner more closely resembling combat. The result is that everything stays simple (because the simplest stuff works the best). Kung Fu was practiced in isolated temples so it acquired a lot of impractical stuff that looks beautiful but has a high probability of failure in a real fight.
There are none! Anyhow, I'm an agnostic not atheist! keep in mind that Christianity and Islam played major role in wiping out unique and tribes culture all over world! If Jesus was alive today, he would be very disappointed!
You folks don't know how remarkable you indigenous culture is! BTW why are there so many significant number of Christians and Muslims in Kerala? It's bitter fact that Christianity or Islam have nothing to do with you folks! even to Europeans (Germanic, Celtic, Slavic...etc.) Christianity spread through the whole Europe because of Romans! Tell me one single word from the Bible which describes other ethnic groups beside Arabs, Jews and some Mediterranean ethnics?
@Jhonnykewl some people believe christianity was introduced in kerala by "Thomas the Apostle" he came to convert the early jew settlements that came before him, but there is no strong evidence to this.
I'm from South India and didn't even know this form of martial art existed. It's quite amazing! I hope the young people of today revive it. Otherwise we'll be stuck with all our youth just doing salsa and samba!
Dude..check out in google our North East State Manipur has Thang Ta which is also fading into oblivion coz nobody knows about it....i hate those rich brats travelling in expensive cars in Mumbai..ask them abt Kalari..n they will look at u like dumb..bloddy assholes got no respect for our roots n culture..all these youngsters wanna do is fuck,smoke,alcohol,party etc...!Do it all but dont forget abt who u r n where u belong..!!
Wish the video was in higher quality, this is a really interesting style. I didn't even know India had a martial art! Needless to say Ill be doing more research on the subject...
Bro, Most Martial Arts were based out of India! Its just many movies that came out of China and Japan commercialized the East Asian martial arts. But India is the Homeland of many martial arts.
@RadioKilla07 but india is still not the "homeland" of the east asian martial arts.
you can peg the chinese ones with the japanese ones and with the korean ones. but not with the indian ones.
and dont just based this off on movies you see, base it from what their true history is. there are even researchers that debunked the Bodhidharma myth.
@RadioKilla07 no that is pure fiction. which is why india cant compete in any MMA at all. there isnt one useful martial art that come out of india. muai thai, sanshou, jiu jutsu is all non indian.
@RadioKilla07 ..Show any factual credible proof that india is the homeland of martial arts, you can't. kalaripayatu has no similarities at all with any other martial arts, especially with kung Fu. Compare any kicks from Tae Kwon Do or Kung Fu,particularly the tornado kick, there's no comparison. This is the problem with claims like this, there's no proof and it's not even base on any credible logic, basically it's a lie & a propaganda just to make a name & recognition.
@RadioKilla07..Kalaripayatu doesn't even have a tornado kick or even a simple side kick. They do have a unique ballet or cheerleader kick, which quite frankly, is useless.
its sad to see people diss what is called by some as the mother of all martial arts..
Its training and conditioning came before anything the chinese had ever known..until of course Bodh went to china and taught them..this is a killing art form..its meant to kill people..its effectiveness over time has decreased because of the society we live in..but taht applies to all martial arts..Kalari is on par with any partial art out there..it is as ancient as india itself..that came before greece.
I myself am a student at MIT..ive already pledged myself into someday investing in a Kalari school of interbnational acclaim..im not the only one involved..
The US..right here woud be a great location..knowing hw things make a cultural impct much quicker here than back in the motherland..its all in the works..but ive given people reason to smile i hope.
@666enator you're partially right, but it's hard to accurately date something so far back in time. i do know however that there was already kung fu, not shaolin, in china before bodh, but it's faded away after bodh and shaolin emerged
The only "mother" of all martial arts is the FIGHT its self. Its old as the humans, even small children wrestle an fight. So trying to develop it an make it systematically is just logical. Also as far as I know Bodhidarma just teached yoga like exercises maybe mostly survived in Yi Jin Jing.
@iApna well martial arts wasnt first in india because china also had kungfu i know u will say shaoilin knugfu came from india ... but kungfu came from china
@Jin6107 - Well regardless - People of all parts of the world had some form of fighting and system of training. The smart ones studied their opponents, developed counters and refined their own fighting style. Till this day some martial-arts and systems of training are changing to better suit the current environment hence MMA. Kata, forms replaced with sparring, competing, Increased conditioning, psychological training and nutrition.
@666enator: Shaolin Kung Fu might have been inspired, and had its roots from India, I can believe that. If I'm not mistaken both Shaolin KF and Kalari emphasize Agility and Flexibility first, then strength. But I think Shaolin KF has developed into something much more.
@666enator well truthfully speaking, indian martial arts may predate greek pankration but don't forget that martial arts were being practiced at a high skill level in African countries of Egypt and Nubia even before records of Indian martial arts like Pelhwani and Kalari. just saying. so there were arts that predated Indian arts. However, I agree that asian martial arts historians will confirm that Indian martial arts are the mother of all east asian martial arts.
kalari is lethal, known best for it's pressure point attacks ... It may not have showy moves like kung fu or karate.. yet its a way of life ,a path to spirituality. and please dont judge kalaripayatt with this two decade old videos .
hemanth7787 20 hours ago
1:23 Looks like they're dancing at a rave. Lol.
MapleVenom 6 days ago
they fight like monkeys
qweasdzxcname 3 weeks ago
That was so gay
WiteGuyz 1 month ago 4
@shubroto81 thats a myth brother.... Non veg food was part of the hindus since ancient times.....yeah brahmins didnt eat that but khsatritya casts,warriors,adivasis consumed meat.
indirockfella92 1 month ago
simply awesome !!!
Rikthful 2 months ago
my unckle was capable of taking an enemy while sleeping
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Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 4 months ago
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 4 months ago
Qing Scholars of the same time as the preface denounced the author of the preface as "an ignorant village master" because there are MANY historical errors in the preface, including getting who was emperor at the time WRONG. that is like saying Bush is still president.
google this
"A Venerated Forgery: The Daoist Origins of Shaolin’s Famous Yijin Jing Manual By Jim R. McClanahan"
For detailed examples.
angryaznman 4 months ago
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There is ONE source for this bodhi myth. 1800s PREFACE of the yi jin jing has the story of him staring at a rock wall for years then disappearing into thin air leaving behind 2 books. 1 being the yi jin jing, which doesnt teach any fighting. it only teaches stretches and breathing exercises. even the MYTH doesnt say bodhi taught shaolin monks anything.
historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) have discredited the myth and the preface altogether.
btw there isnt 1 indian source.
angryaznman 4 months ago
If this art was so lethal,then how come india has been conquered and plundered throughout its history by nearly every other civilisation on earth?
MrXiphos7 5 months ago 6
@MrXiphos7 They don't eat beef. No meat on their bones.
TenteixSaigo 5 months ago 2
@TenteixSaigo Actually the Hindus in North India don't eat meat. The Hindus in South India eat meat except the Brahmins. This martial art is from South India in Kerala. Most of their diet is going to be rice and fish, but people eat chicken, beef, and, lamb as well. If you are not from Kerala, you wouldn't understand anything about the state.
JJMATHIAS23 5 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 I'm making a joke.
TenteixSaigo 5 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 And to my knowledge, eating cows is illegal in India, even in the Catholic state.
TenteixSaigo 5 months ago
@TenteixSaigo Nope, eating cows is not illegal in every part of India, maybe the North. I eat beef all the time when I visit relatives in Kerala, but then again I'm a Syrian Orthodox Christian. From my own personal experience, the Hindus do eat beef in Kerala. My family was invited by our neighbors for lunch and dinner on many occasions.
JJMATHIAS23 5 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 According to my friends from the Catholic state in west India, it's not even legal there. WTF?
TenteixSaigo 5 months ago
@TenteixSaigo Where is your friend from? Goa? That state has the most Catholics due to the Portuguese. Kerala has Orthodoxy due to St. Thomas the Apostle and Middle Eastern Assyrian/Syrian Orthodox Christians. The Portuguese came to Kerala and converted the people to Catholicism as well. The majority of India is Hindu, so the laws were made by the kings of those parts. I'm not saying every state it is illegal to eat beef, it's because India is a Hindu oriented country.
JJMATHIAS23 5 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 today the hindus eat meat, at one time they didn't eat meat. Things have changed now, not eating meat actually quietens your mind and increases focus and reduces the passions. Even a lot of shaolin monks don't eat meat.
shubroto81 3 months ago
@TenteixSaigo LOL...:)
MrXiphos7 3 weeks ago
@MrXiphos7 This martial art is from Kerala, which is in South India. It's only practiced in the South. Kerala has been trading with the Chinese for more than 3,000 years, so I'm sure this martial arts knowledge was passed to them and then they just refined the techniques. It's like Brazilian jiu-jitsu from Japanese jiu-jitsu. Most of the invasions came from the North, they never got to the south. The only invasion was the British, they brought guns. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
JJMATHIAS23 5 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 nope. wishful thinking again
angryaznman 4 months ago
@JJMATHIAS23 come on...those 'guns' (blackpowder musket type) could not hav lasted for long...plus there is something greater than guns ....called tactics/strategy...so still why did the indians fail...there are records that portuguese swordsmen used to defeat these indiand in swordfights regularly.....
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AdrenophileG 5 days ago
@MrXiphos7 and yeah, it takes perfection to achieve the showmanship. so for that sake being a clown is also a difficult task. And as always, kung fu was laid down by an indian monk, so its a derivative of these martial arts. Every system has its strengths and flaws, if you dont understand that, i cant help.
AdrenophileG 5 days ago
@AdrenophileG i never asked your help anyway....and your arguments are flawed,if we have to devote ourselves,our time and energy (and in today's times..money),it has to be for something fruitful..the martial practices must not become a joke(eg showmanship etc)..they have to be for combat effectiveness only...
PS-kung fu does not have indian origins...
MrXiphos7 4 days ago
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@MrXiphos7 Even the samurai system deteriorated in Japan eventhought they are one of the best examples of warrior classes, most old things give way to new.Appreciate the art, because it has got more spirituality and perfect mental and physical conditioning and an outlook with wisdom, which you clearly fail to understand. If you were to run a country and i were to drop a nuke, i wanna see you strategize !! They were not used to guns and got overwhelmed. No guns in a swordfight and vice versa.
AdrenophileG 5 days ago
@AdrenophileG actually you are the one who has failed to understand the true purpose of martial sciences...their purpose is combat excellence and nothing else...as far as this spiritual bullshit is concerned,i frankly feel that is more of a personal philosophy..martial practices should not be diluted due to that....and as for your samurai comment,you are right ...the old must give way to the new...so wouldnt that apply to this kalari thing as well ??
MrXiphos7 4 days ago
Not the worst I have seen by far. Not very practical ether and far to much showmanship.
WanderingTaoist101 5 months ago
Phillip Zarrilli, a professor at the University of Exeter and one of the few Western authorities on kalari payat, estimates that the art dates back to at least the 12th century CE. The historian Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai attributes the birth of kalari payat to an extended period of warfare between the Cheras and the Cholas in the 11th century CE.
angryaznman 6 months ago
Kalari TRUTH:
In Sangam, Kalari was not used as a martial act according to dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen. "Kalari" is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught language, math etc. later on, there were fight schools, thats what "payattu kalari" means.
angryaznman 6 months ago
7. So in conclusion, there was kung fu before shaolin. There was shaolin kung fu before bodhi. The creation of the animal styles is documented, no bodhi. The one source that credits bodhi is faulty and the author of that one preface was viewed as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
The End, dreams over.
angryaznman 6 months ago
6. Sinews Changing Classic: Scholars disregard this preface because it has many anachronistic mistakes and the fact that popular fictional characters from Chinese literature, including the "Bushy Bearded Hero" (虬髯客), are listed as lineage masters. In fact, Ling Tinkang (1757-1809), a SCHOLAR of the QING Dynasty, described the author (Li Jing) as an “IGNORANT VILLAGE MASTER”
angryaznman 6 months ago
5. The painting in Shaolin does NOT depict bodhi teaching shaolin monks. It actually only shows many shades of monks, all wearing Chinese clothes, practicing kung fu. Leave it to dreamers to think anyone who is a shade darker than light is Indian. Even if they were, no indication whatsoever about bodhi. PLUS the painting was done a THOUSAND years after bodhi’s time. It CANNOT be used as an indication of the past.
angryaznman 6 months ago
4. The ONE place that credits bodhi is discredited: ONLY the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yijin Jing mentions Bodhi with kung fu at all. Historians (like Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi) discredit this preface because it is FULL of INACCURACIES. Even getting the Emperor Reigns wrong.
angryaznman 6 months ago
3. Creation of 5 animal kung fu styles is documented, NO BODHI: Jueyuan was a master of the 18 Luohan Hands. the original 18 techniques of Shaolin. He expand to 72, but wanted to do more. He travel to Gansu Province to the city of Lanzhou and met Li Sou. He was a master of Hong Quan. they work with Bai YuFeng and expand the 72 techniques to around 170. Those 170 techniques were than divided into the 5 animal forms.
angryaznman 6 months ago
2. Shaolin kung fu predates bodhi: The 2 men who became the VERY FIRST Shaolin monks were ALREADY experts in kung fu. Shaolin kung fu came from them. ("History of Chinese Martial arts: Jin Dynasty to the Period of Disunity") Also, they found weapons in the monestaries of Chang'an. ("Martial arts Myths of Shaolin Monastery, Part I: The Giant with the Flaming Staff") Suggesting the monks already practied martial arts.
angryaznman 6 months ago
Pure Facts that destroy delusional dreamers:
1. Kung Fu predates shaolin: Spring and Autumn Annals of Wu and Yue, the Bibliographies in the Book of the Han Dynasty and the Records of the Grand Historian all document martial arts that predate Shaolin. A good example is Shuai Jiao, grappling martial art.
angryaznman 6 months ago
wow. you guys are amazing!
tomememe 6 months ago
Are they fighting with metal WHIPS and shields at 5'30"? It s somewhere between badass and scary dangerous and training eye-loss accident waiting to happen! Fascinating video, beautiful martial tradition too.
ossian1977 6 months ago
@KallyJones: You need your fucking white head beaten in
tablaaz 7 months ago
@KallyJones: You look like a pasty white fag
tablaaz 7 months ago
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JETKnockout 7 months ago
i am going to start practicing this next week! STOKED!!! Namaste :)
NicoleMickelson 7 months ago
I know they're mostly practicing forms so it looks like choreographed, but it really looks like a bollywood production dance number. What do youexpect. India has had millenia of Raj's or small kingdoms that existed only through alliance and war with each other so no wonder many martial arts began in india.
KallyJones 8 months ago
I know they're mostly practicing forms so it looks like choreographed, but it really looks like a bollywood production dance number.
KallyJones 8 months ago
Whoever has doubt about Bodi dharma giving martial art to chinese can go to Shaolin temple and ask the monks there. I have spoken to chinese athletes from shaolin and did my research as well. I have practised karate and taekwondo for more than 10 yrs and can challenge anyone on this. I can see lots of similarities between chinese and this ancient martial art. Only things is indians didnt develop the art while chinese refined it and are still refining the techniques.
anick27 8 months ago
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@anick27 ..I challenge you to show me any Kalaripayatu expert that can throw a decent kick, they can't. Better yet, watch the episode of Fight Quest and see how two Americans, Dough & Jimmy embarrased the Kalaripayatu experts by simple take downs because they couldn't execute a simple kick. And also watch the epic retarded flying kick by the kalari expert at 7:12. video title is "BACKSTREET KALARI FIGHT".
gbb357 5 months ago 2
@gbb357 you're absolutely right dude....i bet a 6 yr old shaolin kid could kick any kalari fellow's ass....have you seen how skinny they are lol.....:)
MrXiphos7 3 weeks ago
@MrXiphos7 shaolin martial arts or kung fu in general is no more than buzz. its actually not as effective as most might think.
Krav-Maga is much more effective than all the others since it was first created like 50 years ago for military use and still being developed.
if you want to learn how to protect urself i suggest krav maga. if you want to empathize on clear movement with no effectiveness, go for far east martial arts
both can be fun to learn and healthy for the body so i say all is great
qweasdzxcname 3 weeks ago
@qweasdzxcname you are absolutely right...i,myself too prefer modern fighting styles like mma,krav maga etc(in fact i am a practitioner of krav maga).....but i was comparing shaolin with kalari, if you compare shaolinquan with kalari,shaolin is a lot superior
MrXiphos7 3 weeks ago
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@anick27...Also, bodi dharma myth/lie has no credible factual proof, that's a fact, can't deny it and you wouldn't be able to show one either. I have spoken to several Kung Fu masters of more than 20 yrs, all have said the same thing, Kung Fu is from China not India. Eshan Shafiq, master of Kung Fu for 25yrs says Kung Fu is from China. Furthermore, there's no similarities at all, just compare the kicks. Again show me factual credible proof, you can't.
gbb357 5 months ago
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@anick27 ...All bodi dharma taught was religion, phylosophy, and yoga, that's it. No proof that he even knew martial arts, and there's definitely no proof that the monks didn't knew martial arts, that's a fact, period.
gbb357 5 months ago
Head Monk at Shaolin temple of martial arts in china admiited that martial arts was taught to them by bodi dharma an Indian. Google Bodi Dharma for more details. But chinese refined the art with time and gave their own names later on.
anick27 8 months ago
Feels too choreographed. Flashy and all that, but not much else it seems.
It's like watching Flynning from Princess Bride or something.
dhx84 8 months ago
this isnt no bullshit whiteboy mma...these fools will seriously hurt you and if your nice they will heal you afterwards.. Just because it isnt in MMA doesnt mean that it dont exist...this 5000 yr old art form is just being discovered in the West...big up to Trish Stratus for going to Keralam and fucking with us...she is a killa
TruMalu4Life 8 months ago
@TruMalu4Life hey,what is trish stratus upto ?? could you ellaborate more?? thanks....
MrXiphos7 3 weeks ago
@MrXiphos7 I GUESS she's lookin forward to a date with me !! Alright ? Cause I GUESS she thinks she wants a tough guy !!
AdrenophileG 5 days ago
@AdrenophileG i didnt ask you asshole...
MrXiphos7 4 days ago
It's the mother of all martial arts..but what happened with other moves..I mean It doesn't show all..I hate wepaon and love hand to hand combat..in one Indian they show..these people had a dark art which parlize the person if u can show those moves...mouuuua
JabrilAqdas 9 months ago
Thank you for posting this video. It does make me re-think my approach to fighting more then one attacker.
qazm8 9 months ago
Thumbs up if you think the 94 dislikes are from the jalous people who cant do this.
nio12 9 months ago
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This is indeed a mother of martial arts. Indians are practicing the same from past 2000 years - South India People. An individual needs to give his 10-15 years to become master in this. This went to China in ancient times and they later on did changes in the same and developed Kung Fu. It is very difficult to defeat any Kalari expert. There r many hidden facts. India is great, proud to be an Indian...Love to all...from India..
bharat0078 10 months ago
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bharat0078 10 months ago
Kung fu originated from this ,i guess.
bloodmage478 11 months ago
@bloodmage478 Yea it did.. it was improved upon by the chinese at Shaolin. Better postures and better creation and transference of power in the strikes. And better weapons with more "money" and resources in the temple..
dalesalsa 11 months ago 2
@dalesalsa nope, shaolin kung fu existed far before the indian monk. even the 2 founders of the temple were already masters. the only thing the indian monk did was work on meditation and breathing. no techniques whatsoever.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman REally...? where did you get that research..? I really want to get this debate figured out already.. There seems like there are always people saying India first/ others saying Shaolin first..
dalesalsa 6 months ago
@dalesalsa if you have any doubt, do this SUPER SIMPLE THING.
wiki kalaripayattu. go to History and Origins. what does it say as far as historians go?
if you want to discuss further, tell me what you know or what you think is the case. ill answer all your questions.
angryaznman 6 months ago
wiki kalaripayattu - History - Origins
wiki shaolin kung fu - History
wiki shaolin monestery - patron saint - at the bottom it talks about the indian monk, and what martial arts historians think of him bringing kung fu to China
wiki Bodhidharma - Bodhidharma at Shaolin
every page i mentioned has sourced texts and historians that say all this indian wishful thinking is a myth.
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman Cool.. I will check it out..... are there any good books to read? I don't really trust wikipedia that much but rather enjoy books more..
Thanks man.. Later..
dalesalsa 6 months ago
@dalesalsa ill do you one better. there is ZERO indian text giving credit of kung fu to bodhi. (you know who they credit for martial art? parashurama. a mythical figure)
the ENTIRE BASE of this claim, is the yi jin jing. specifically, the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yi Jin Jing.
it is this preface which you can read, and see it is full of errors. this means the ONLY base for this bodhidharama claim, is full of errors and dismissed by historians. what else is thereto say?
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman reallyyy? holly shit.. damn... Also I didn't know that there were already 2 monks versed in fighting skills! That basically discredits everything already right there. Because if anything Bodhi would just have "improved" it if anything...
dalesalsa 6 months ago
@dalesalsa now you are getting it.
Huiguang and Sengchou were the first 2 Shaolin Monks and they already practiced martial arts. Senchou's skill with the tin staff was even documented in the Chinese Buddhist Canon 大藏經 (historical text)
angryaznman 6 months ago
@angryaznman wow... is there a english translation of the Chinese Buddhist Canon..?
dalesalsa 6 months ago
the Chinese Buddhist Canon isnt just one text. its a collection of texts. but the writer who said it sourced these books.
Wei Shou , Wei History , Shanghai: Zhonghua Shuju, 1936
Tang Hao Shaolin Wudang Research (Shaolin Wudang Kao), 1930
Li Chi, trans., The Travel Diaries of Hsu Hsia-K'o, The Chinese University of Hong Kong
Matsuda Ryuji An Outline of Chinese Martial Arts History (Zhongguo Wushu Shi Lue), trans. Lu Yan and Yan Hai, Sichuan Science and Technological Press, 1984
angryaznman 6 months ago
O M G That is amazingggg
starcities12 11 months ago
I m a indian
I m a karate player but i salute it as the mother of all martial art
saswatsubham 11 months ago
@saswatsubham It's not the mother of all martial arts since countries and cultures developed their own.
6arcsn1sky 11 months ago
Does the fact that India is the source of eastern martial arts, amongst other things, mean anything at all? It holds no sway on modern Indians, so why some on here feel so good about themselves i will never know.
And it has been said many times, but there no such thing as a better martial art. People that say this, clearly have never trained.
danjclay27 1 year ago
kalari is the mother of all martial arts,its said that shaolin kungfu was developed from it..So like in every field India is the best in martial arts also.
sreenathela 1 year ago
@sreenathela what an ignorant comment ...
danjclay27 1 year ago
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@sreenathela what an ignorant comment ...
danjclay27 1 year ago
@sreenathela The first doesn't mean the best. Like the 1st car, how can it be the best?
qiankundanuoyi1 1 year ago
@qiankundanuoyi1 great example !!!
MrXiphos7 3 weeks ago
cool
KooLBrez3 1 year ago
the origin of shaolin kung fu and other martial arts throughout asia.
pochazet 1 year ago
We keralaties did have precious indigenous culture along with Tamils which has to do with Hinduism; Brits were aware of that! That’s why they preserved everything and did most of expedition around the world! Not like other dogmatic pious Christian foreign invaders- Portuguese and Dutch who demolished ancient Hindu temples built churches on top of them.
stephenraj88 1 year ago
Please don't misunderstand me I LOVE JESUS MORE THAN MY SOUL but I'm bound by ethics rules Guys! Truth must be told! Some pious Christian say that Christianity was indigenous culture in Kerala that's not true either! St. Thomas Arrived 53 A.D.?Then keralaties must had arrived along with him right?
stephenraj88 1 year ago
Needless to say that Kalari martial arts stemmed from Malayalees but most of our indigeneous ancient arts were already extinct due to the foreigners' invasion; I myself Malayalee Christian, deeply love with my native culture and arts! I'm really sorry to say this, When I chat and my Christians brothers and sisters, they tend to brag about Christianity and how old it was, Please do aware that Vatican counsel disapproved theory of St. Thomas arrival in Kerala So did the Jews and Arabs!
stephenraj88 1 year ago
these guys use real, sharp swords and spears, one poor judgement can be fatal
iruz29 1 year ago
Gilgamesh wrestling is the oldest martial art.
charlesesl 1 year ago
Martial Arts roots foundational root is in India true martial artists know this. Even the late great Bruce Lee acknowledges this! The Chinese and Japanese learned combat from the indians.
Josephjoel3 1 year ago
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maxinheb 1 year ago
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Beofre Angryaznman rants , see this:
Around the 3rd century BC, the Yoga Sutras of Patanjali taught how to meditate single-mindedly on points located inside one's body, which was later used in martial arts.
The Chinese school of martial arts agrees with the South Indian school on the principle of 108 pressure points.
Siddhartha Gautama himself was a champion of swordplay, wrestling and archery before becoming the Buddha.
^his anti-Indian rants are dismissed by the fact Buddha was Indian MA
ronki23 1 year ago
Finally, Kalari is not the Ancient Indian 'Mother of All Martial Arts'
Before the 1600s (arrival of the British), India was fragmented into kingdoms. Tamil Akkam was Kerla,Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka. It was arguably the 'toughest' kingdom-Asoka couldn't even conquer it.
Original Martial Arts of Tamil Akkam: Kuttu Varisai (empty hand combat-like Karate/Kung Fu), Varma Kalai (pressure point study /introduction of acupuncture into Asia), and weapons.
ronki23 1 year ago
@ronki23 instead talking a long sentence,send a link that can prove your comments
maxinheb 1 year ago
@maxinheb Firstly,wikipedia has the history of MA.
Secondly, you type in "Bodidharma's journey to India" or "History of Indian Martial Arts" into google and you'll get a lot of info.
There's one forum when you search Bodidharma's journey to India and it has A LOT of info
ronki23 1 year ago
Before anyone tries dispute Bodidharma's creation of Kung Fu-yes, the Yi Ji Jing (scripture showing how Bodidharma created Kung Fu) may be disputed by some as fictional folklore written after Bodidharma's passing, but it's accepted Bodidharma contributed toward teaching exercise/meditation to monks.
Not to mention Bodidharma travelled through Indonesia and Vietnam as well as visiting Northern Siam. Many credit him contributing toward Silat and Muay Thai.
ronki23 1 year ago
Kalari is NOT the oldest MA. It is dated back to the 1200s (AD)-that's not very far away history wise. Here's a brief histroy.
2000 years BC, wrestling was shown on tombs of the Egyptians.
1800 BC, Gilgamesh epic tells of the hand held weapons usage.
800 BC, the Greeks had their own version of MMA (Pankration) in the Olympics (ironic,they had MMA then in the Olympics).
50BC; Korea's Taekkyon (a founding style contributing to TKD is born).
ronki23 1 year ago
200AD is where a Greek Wrestling Manual was written.
I think 50BC or 200AD is the birth of official MA
The Indian contribution to the Martial Arts are great though-Dhyana spread Buddishm in AD464-477. Bodhi Dharma came in 550AD to promote exercise,meditation,breathing and mind frame to the Monks. Arguably, he taught the physical conditioning required in Kung Fu.
ronki23 1 year ago
kalari is malayalam word and malayalam came from tamil that is classical tamil in ancient time till 13century kerala was a part of tamil nadu then how come people say that this art belong to kerala . basically they r tamils . each and every maliyali must know this . and thats my request .silambam in tamil ,kalari in malayalam
MrBharanish 1 year ago
Just look at the motions, posturing, stances, fluidity and you see resemblances to the arts like Muay Thai, Krabi Krabong, chinese wushu, korean hwarangdo, japanese iado and karate, indonesian silat, etc. all these descended from Indian martial arts.
taumagalahi 1 year ago
good
mondslug 1 year ago
mmm excellent video about bangin sticks together
treefrog2108 1 year ago
the FUNDAMENTAL of all martial arts IS BREATHING AND YOGA TECHQNIUES.....which orignates FROM INDIA....yoga was the initial start of marial arts....So angryaznman can shout all he wants...the ROOT OF ALL MARTIAL ARTS IS FROM INDIA.....without yoga, breathing techniques from india martial arts would not emerged in the form it has. Buddism and yoga philosophy is the BEDROCK of martial arts...IT CAME FORM INDIA NO ANYWHERE ELSE.....
TheDharmaArmyofASIA 1 year ago
@TheDharmaArmyofASIA Root of martial arts comes from all over...Martial arts are forms of fighting.....Martial arts would have origionated in africa and the middle east, and around the mediteranian....where early man started to grow societies....Early egypt, and probably ages earlier had fighting systems taught to people in order for them to be effective in battle THOUSANDS of years ago....I guess India may be able to be thrown into the mix, but they still arent as ancient ar some civilizations
EvangelionFan 1 year ago
I can't imagine how much it hurts to get struck by one of their pole strikes. Really an interesting art.
motomonstrosity 1 year ago
The internet is great. I remember reading about Kalari in the '80s in some encyclopaedia of martial arts but being able to see practitioners in action is much, much better.
darrensurrey 1 year ago
TRUTH OF KALARI 2
Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai was a historian and scholar from Kerala, India, who through his works enriched the field of historical research of Kerala
Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen
Phillip Zarrilli practitioner of Kalarippayattu and Marma Adi. One of the notable Western authorities on the subject of Indian martial arts. Zarrilli authored the first definitive study of Kalarippayattu, "When the Body Becomes All Eyes:"
angryaznman 1 year ago
TRUTH OF KALARI 1
kalari is a centre of learning in Kerala. they taught math etc. later, there were fight schools, thats what payattu kalari means.
kalari the word in Sangam was NOT used as a martial act according to Dick Luijendijk, a researcher at the university of Nijmegen.
Phillip Zarilli, one of the few western scholars on KP and Elamkulam Kunjan Pillai an Indian historian. both are recognized authorities on KP. they date the MARTIAL ART at 11 and 12 century, not the term/tradition.
angryaznman 1 year ago
@angryaznman malayalam came to existence onley in 13 century,and art like this will take thousands of years to create not just two centures
MrBharanish 1 year ago
@MrBharanish you are making an assumption. the fact of the matter is the schools of learning in kerala are having payyatu attached to them. they were originally about math and science and academics.
as soon as the "fight schools" came around, they were attached to that long tradition. this is why those KP experts and even the historian from Kerala date the martial art itself so. they do not trace the traditional usage of the schools of learning, just the martial act.
angryaznman 1 year ago
part 3
so not only did the FIRST 2 shaolin monks already know kung fu, not only was there chinese MA BEFORE kalari.
but last but not least, the ONE source that give bodhi credit, is the PREFACE of the 1800s VERSION of the Yi Jin Jing (not in the YJJ itself). This preface is also full of errors. Martial Arts Historians Tang Hao, Xu Zhen and Matsuda Ryuchi have now discredited the preface and the bodidharma myth as well. END.
angryaznman 1 year ago
part 2.
18 luo han hands were by the 18 luo han monks. The 5 animal styles were from Li Sou, Hong Quan and Jueyuan. There is nothing left for bodhi to claim LMAO.
Yes, I heard of the painting. One problem, first, it only shows various shaded monks all wearing Chinese clothes practicing. Second, it doesn’t say anything about bodhidharma. Third, it was done during Ming, a MILLENIUM AFTER bodhi’s time. So way to go.
end part 2...
angryaznman 1 year ago
seems too many indians believe this funny joke. i will burst all your bubbles.
Kung Fu did NOT come from India. Boddhidharma only taught zen techniques like breathing first of all.
Also, the men who became the FIRST shaolin monks already knew kung fu.(Canzonieri, Salvatore;1998).
end part 1
angryaznman 1 year ago
Marshall arts originated from Kalari
blueflames1412 1 year ago
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TheDharmaArmyofASIA 1 year ago
poor man,this man should read the history of kung fu,kung fu is first developed by an indian who became a budhist monk.
mrabbyaby 1 year ago
What is Kalari?
I haven't heard that before.
Like a Karate or somthing like that?
ahydkfbl 1 year ago
@ahydkfbl Its a type of martial arts, but from india
punjabikid23 1 year ago
they are dancing, not fighting
boyjuly76 1 year ago
@boyjuly76 this is a typical criticism about followers: i guess you prefer to look at competition...or TV, or both at the same time!
Thanks for your dumb coments, warriors
lophoto 1 year ago
It looks like a simple art compared to something like Kung Fu. The explanation for that is probably that this is still practiced in a manner more closely resembling combat. The result is that everything stays simple (because the simplest stuff works the best). Kung Fu was practiced in isolated temples so it acquired a lot of impractical stuff that looks beautiful but has a high probability of failure in a real fight.
gungnir2357 1 year ago
There are none! Anyhow, I'm an agnostic not atheist! keep in mind that Christianity and Islam played major role in wiping out unique and tribes culture all over world! If Jesus was alive today, he would be very disappointed!
Jhonnykewl 1 year ago
@Jhonnykewl I agree with that totally.
gungnir2357 1 year ago
You folks don't know how remarkable you indigenous culture is! BTW why are there so many significant number of Christians and Muslims in Kerala? It's bitter fact that Christianity or Islam have nothing to do with you folks! even to Europeans (Germanic, Celtic, Slavic...etc.) Christianity spread through the whole Europe because of Romans! Tell me one single word from the Bible which describes other ethnic groups beside Arabs, Jews and some Mediterranean ethnics?
Jhonnykewl 1 year ago
@Jhonnykewl some people believe christianity was introduced in kerala by "Thomas the Apostle" he came to convert the early jew settlements that came before him, but there is no strong evidence to this.
studentofthegr8art 1 year ago
Mm... very impressive, I never thought Martial arts stemmed from you guys! Try to preserve your indigenous arts and cultures!
Jhonnykewl 1 year ago
yea i'm guessin those scenes with the weapons take alot of skill becuz if u block wrong its gonna hurt like hell
sleepwalkrsalty 1 year ago
....That reminds me of when i had a scythe....
DemonicXlaughter 1 year ago
I'm from South India and didn't even know this form of martial art existed. It's quite amazing! I hope the young people of today revive it. Otherwise we'll be stuck with all our youth just doing salsa and samba!
angelialvares 2 years ago 3
It's being revived.. in a way :)
TraptbyBenjamin 2 years ago
Dude..check out in google our North East State Manipur has Thang Ta which is also fading into oblivion coz nobody knows about it....i hate those rich brats travelling in expensive cars in Mumbai..ask them abt Kalari..n they will look at u like dumb..bloddy assholes got no respect for our roots n culture..all these youngsters wanna do is fuck,smoke,alcohol,party etc...!Do it all but dont forget abt who u r n where u belong..!!
Aftab4Ever 1 year ago
InCrEdiBle!!!
hirdaari 2 years ago
Wish the video was in higher quality, this is a really interesting style. I didn't even know India had a martial art! Needless to say Ill be doing more research on the subject...
LordJoseifius 2 years ago 14
well kalari is an older martial art thn shoulin kunf fu
butt4242 2 years ago
its shaolin kung fu...Yes kalari is older than shaolin.but shaolin kung fu isnt the 1st kung fu
jefchan123 2 years ago
@LordJoseifius
Bro, Most Martial Arts were based out of India! Its just many movies that came out of China and Japan commercialized the East Asian martial arts. But India is the Homeland of many martial arts.
RadioKilla07 1 year ago 13
@RadioKilla07 but india is still not the "homeland" of the east asian martial arts.
you can peg the chinese ones with the japanese ones and with the korean ones. but not with the indian ones.
and dont just based this off on movies you see, base it from what their true history is. there are even researchers that debunked the Bodhidharma myth.
ThePeeBottle 9 months ago
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Nerfops99 7 months ago
@RadioKilla07 What is 'most' ? Kung Fu has been in China for close to 4000 years.
lenkite 7 months ago
@RadioKilla07 no that is pure fiction. which is why india cant compete in any MMA at all. there isnt one useful martial art that come out of india. muai thai, sanshou, jiu jutsu is all non indian.
angryaznman 6 months ago
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@RadioKilla07 ..Show any factual credible proof that india is the homeland of martial arts, you can't. kalaripayatu has no similarities at all with any other martial arts, especially with kung Fu. Compare any kicks from Tae Kwon Do or Kung Fu,particularly the tornado kick, there's no comparison. This is the problem with claims like this, there's no proof and it's not even base on any credible logic, basically it's a lie & a propaganda just to make a name & recognition.
gbb357 5 months ago
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@RadioKilla07..Kalaripayatu doesn't even have a tornado kick or even a simple side kick. They do have a unique ballet or cheerleader kick, which quite frankly, is useless.
gbb357 5 months ago
@RadioKilla07 Actually, many historians don't believe it. I was once presented with a seven point argument that destroyed that notion for me.
TenteixSaigo 5 months ago
@LordJoseifius lol kung fu is based off of India's martial arts. Thats how ancient they are.
Jaiyeson 9 months ago
the movements at the begging are cool. the sword fighting reminds me of star wars.
lazomba 2 years ago
its sad to see people diss what is called by some as the mother of all martial arts..
Its training and conditioning came before anything the chinese had ever known..until of course Bodh went to china and taught them..this is a killing art form..its meant to kill people..its effectiveness over time has decreased because of the society we live in..but taht applies to all martial arts..Kalari is on par with any partial art out there..it is as ancient as india itself..that came before greece.
666enator 2 years ago 29
Some people are just plain ignorant and wallow in it. They know nothing.
kumarsa108 2 years ago
@666enator . . . . Namaste. Very true.
Much like the Vedic Dharma has been all but destroyed over time in the Kali-Yuga so have the old "Arts" all but disappeared.
Not to mention the profoundly negative influence that the Imperialists (British) have had over their 400 year old "rule".
Still the Vedas are making a "comeback". : )
How else would individuals from all around the world be attracting and/or stumbling upon such ancient and transcendental knowledge such as the Vedas.
NassimHarameinVedas 2 years ago
indeed..good points..
I myself am a student at MIT..ive already pledged myself into someday investing in a Kalari school of interbnational acclaim..im not the only one involved..
The US..right here woud be a great location..knowing hw things make a cultural impct much quicker here than back in the motherland..its all in the works..but ive given people reason to smile i hope.
666enator 2 years ago
@666enator . . . MIT is great, their OpenCourseWare is admirable.
Being a lover of knowledge, whether scientific or scriptural, the MIT website and YT channel are great resources for growing minds.
On Your channel You list "pilot" as Your occupation, are You studying something along the lines of aeronautical engineering and/or technology?
In any case, good luck m8. Many who possess the IQ but not the $Q would love the opportunity to study at MIT, including myself. ; )
Peace.
NassimHarameinVedas 2 years ago
@666enator you're partially right, but it's hard to accurately date something so far back in time. i do know however that there was already kung fu, not shaolin, in china before bodh, but it's faded away after bodh and shaolin emerged
Ginko26 1 year ago
@666enator
The only "mother" of all martial arts is the FIGHT its self. Its old as the humans, even small children wrestle an fight. So trying to develop it an make it systematically is just logical. Also as far as I know Bodhidarma just teached yoga like exercises maybe mostly survived in Yi Jin Jing.
Gieszkanne 1 year ago
@666enator - India has been the root of many things martial-arts included.
Sanskrit mother of all languages. Sanskrit is so precise that it can be used as a computer language
First universities in the world were developed in India 700B.C
Algebra,trigonometry and calculus also originated from India. (Not Greece)
Chess was invented in India.
Ayurveda is the earliest school of medicine known to mankind. The father of medicine, Charaka,consolidated Ayurveda 2500 years ago.
British ruined it
iApna 1 year ago
@iApna well martial arts wasnt first in india because china also had kungfu i know u will say shaoilin knugfu came from india ... but kungfu came from china
Jin6107 1 year ago
@Jin6107 - Well regardless - People of all parts of the world had some form of fighting and system of training. The smart ones studied their opponents, developed counters and refined their own fighting style. Till this day some martial-arts and systems of training are changing to better suit the current environment hence MMA. Kata, forms replaced with sparring, competing, Increased conditioning, psychological training and nutrition.
iApna 1 year ago
@Jin6107 lol Shao-lin style of boxing is also attributed to Indian influence, including indian Buddhism, Yoga etc etc
oldmagic 1 year ago
@oldmagic i know but people keep sayign that kungfu is indian but it isnt
Jin6107 1 year ago
@iApna Two words: Bull shit.
6arcsn1sky 11 months ago
@666enator: Shaolin Kung Fu might have been inspired, and had its roots from India, I can believe that. If I'm not mistaken both Shaolin KF and Kalari emphasize Agility and Flexibility first, then strength. But I think Shaolin KF has developed into something much more.
danpt2000 1 year ago
@666enator HAHA wishful thinking
angryaznman 1 year ago
@666enator well truthfully speaking, indian martial arts may predate greek pankration but don't forget that martial arts were being practiced at a high skill level in African countries of Egypt and Nubia even before records of Indian martial arts like Pelhwani and Kalari. just saying. so there were arts that predated Indian arts. However, I agree that asian martial arts historians will confirm that Indian martial arts are the mother of all east asian martial arts.
taumagalahi 1 year ago
@666enator
China had martial arts before Shaolin.
What developed at Shaolin was an art that took into account Buddist values.
India martial arts were also influenced by Pankration a Greek martial arts.
Alexander the Great conquered lands