@AlanMolstad you can't be as simplistic as your post suggests. since the rest of us don't live in utopia, i suggest you consider the 'best' plan may not be the same as the 'best available' plan. the best plan is to provide a household that is a healthy environment. if broke dad does not contribute to that environment, he should still be there...?
@AlanMolstad and if he isn't working hard and being a good image? in that situation, is it still the case that 'The dad being there is always better than anything else...."?
@AlanMolstad your vision of home life is spectaculary imaginary. dad contributes nothing positive, but he should still be there because he is 'dad'? i have no idea how 'we' make it easy for them to leave. as a person, you either want/feel you need to be there or you don't. unfortunately, there are some very big downs that indicate, no, that parent doesn't need to be a part of the family. again, if a parent is not contributing to a healthy atmosphere, they shouldn't be there.
@AlanMolstad staying with your family is not a know/don't know, it's a choice. people are aware of responsibility at an early age, and without experiencing a father figure, altruism is generally inate. people who want to be there for there children, generally are. no amount of exterior support will change their perspective. and if they don't want to be there, if that means they will not be a positive contributer to the child's growth, there is no always.
Two parents that raise their baby together and bring up the child with an example that love is more important than money, should be the "ideal".that is promoted by Hollywood.
The idea that it's better to have only one parent if that brings in more cash (government aid) is wrong.
@younghoss Seriously? Haha, sorry, but any young woman who's a bright enough thinker to be watching a show like "The West Wing" is not going to gloss over the "successful and financially stable" part. I think you're getting the audience of this show mixed up with the audience of "Jersey Shore."
@bornbillsmith That the couple was wrong. That guy had no business acting judgemental. He was an idiot. I'm sorry if you think judging people without even knowing the facts like this dumbass did is a good thing, but I happen to think thats its NOT a stranger's place to publicly judge another in such a poor fashion.
In what sort of world would a young woman who chooses an United States representative as her role model be shallow enough to assume that having a child out of wedlock was glamorous?
I hate people like that. They are the ones who also tell me I shouldn't wear certain tops because it "offends people", and that I should be respectful of my elders when the elder in question just elbowed me out of the way to push into the queue i'm in. Keeping in mind that I had 2 items, she had a whole basket. Congresswoman Wyatt is amazing. As Jrs89 said, she can afford to look after the kids by herself and they have a father, just not at the same address. It's not like he's not there.
Man, if only Congresswoman Wyatt was real and was a role model for young girls. I think it would be a great thing if every girl in this country was motivated to do well in school, hold public office, be independent, and wait until they're mature and financially secure enough to raise a child by themselves. Sure, you can argue having a father is important, but I think one successful and financially stable parent is a hell of a lot better than two broke dumbasses who can't take care of themselves.
I think this raises some very good points. Unfortunately, too many girls see this fictional unwed mom as ok, but don't see the " motivated to do well in school, hold public office, be independent, and wait until they're mature and financially secure enough to raise a child by themselves " that you point out should be a condition.
@nudist0885 way late but to answer your initial question the republican running against the congreswoman probably made a big fuzz over her being pregnant and not letting people know.Remember toby was afraid she might get seud.
And Charlie was in the news when the president was shot as the secret service got the shooters which turn out to be white supremacist,so at least that got onto the news and people would have concluded that it was charlie, not to mention many people weren't happy about him
I love how surprisingly well-versed these backwards yoiks are on the whole soap drama that is the West Wing - "This is the father' and "This is the one that was with the daughter" and the whole recognizing the congresswoman from Maryland even in California or wherever they are
If you're going to lecture people on setting an example, you should maybe try it yourself. Those two are ranting at Andi about her being pregnant, but are themselves committing harrassment. Gotta love it.
There is a time and place for everything and these jack asses are welcome to their opinions but that doesn't mean they have a right to verbally assault another person, period.
He was being aggressive and moving into her personal space which he had no right to do either. Toby was simply defending her.
Plus her comments about Charlie seals the deal that they are simply part of the 'ignorant tight ass club'.
watch it again...without your blinders on and you will see....the man never moved towards her, in fact she moved towards him. it was toby that escalated the situation.
there was no verbal assault, they are all public people that work for us.
I don't have blinders on. Yes, she stood up next to him but he moves in with his 'explanation' of why he believes he is so much more moral than she is and is already in her 'personal space'. I would be concerned about her in that situation. In an instant the already irritate man or his wife could have raised his fist to hit her, since he was already intoxicated and irrational.
He had no right to heckle her in the first place just because they are public servants doesn't mean they aren't allowed a civil private conversation. She wasn't breaking any laws moral or civil, so she decided to have children, big deal.
He could have found other ways to voice his displeasure in writing letters,sending emails,TV interviews etc.
The President said that Catholicism works for him and Abby but that doesn't mean it has to be what works for Toby or the mother to be. He was saying that more as a running joke because the staff was trying to get them back together.
They are being rude and snotty not only to her but to Toby and Charlie by referring to them in that matter. Their opinion wasn't under question, their attitude was.
Don't like her example then don't vote for her. Elected officials have the same rights as regular citizens.
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people can have whatever attitude they like, you cannot control thier minds.
the point is valid:
SHE IS AN EXAMPLE TO YOUNG WOMEN EVERYWHERE.
now you may not hav a problem with it....but with all the medical studies and research done on the subject how can anyone choose to be a single parent. knowing how this effects the growth of the children, the baggage they have to carry and the mental and emotional issues they have to deal with....
I don't know what laws you are aware of but freedom of speech means that you are allowed to peacefully, lawfully voice your opinion, not threatening or aggressive. To verbally assault someone.
There are ways to legally voice your views one way or another that doesn't include disorderly conduct and just being a jackass about it.
Those freedoms you talk about also pertain to Toby and her so he was impeding on her liberties.
Andi didn't get pregnant from a one-night stand. She got pregnant via artificial insemination. It was a conscious choice and I doubt that anyone would have talked like that if they knew the circumstances.
I still can't believe there was a fuss about Sam sleeping with a call girl. A) she seemed like a very bright, very consenting, friendly young woman who went to bed with Sam for personal attraction besides money. B) Sam didn't know until after the fact and even if he did, it would have seemed again a rather friendly business transaction. C) One way or another, sexual relationships come with a price.
True enough, but things can be misinterpreted and they can be spun; and as Aaron Sorkin himself wrote, "the American people have a funny way of deciding what is and is not their business."
@Flowbee79 - The thing is, the public wouldn't have believed that he didn't pay her, and it would have been pretty difficult for him to convince the public that he didn't.
I'm totally for legalizing prostitution, but in the meantime it is illegal, and it's going to be a scandal if people believe that a prominent White House official broke the law.
please tell me that guy gets beaten the shit out of cause if he talked to the mother of my future children that way i would hav to quit work for the amount of things i would impart upon him
I don't think Sorkin does himself any favors with these obviously biased and exaggerated caricatures of conservatives he does. They damage his credibility and therefore his message. I'm not saying there aren't any people like that, but to Sorkins mind it's every last one of them.
Not really, he does hand other Republicans and conservatives a good deal of credit. But there are people who are conservatives who think they have a right to tell you how to run your personal life, and get haughty when you tell them where the line is drawn. They don't, but they sure think they do.
There are some exceptions like Ainsley, and that guy that was dating Donna briefly, but for the most part they come off as some combination of Pat Robertson, David Duke, Ricky Bobby, Gordon Gekko, and possibly Sgt. Tackleberry from the Police Academy movies.
Having been there, done that (and gotten wiser) I can assure you that there are plenty of conservatives who would've gone exactly the way this couple did, had they come across this group in a public place. The people who think that they know best how everyone else should conduct their personal lives rarely shy from a chance to tell everyone all about it. Or, when they can, vote to install their beliefs as law.
What did that woman mean by saying, "This is the one who was with the daughter"? Without knowing the context of what she said, I would have interpreted it as overtly racist.
I guess they're republicans. She's referring to Charlie dating Zoe, the president's daughter. It's an attempt to degrade and belittle the White House.
I think when she says, the one, I think she is referring to "the one" in the Bartlett gang. It's not an attack on him as a black guy overtly, but an attack on him as one of the Bartlett crew, who arch-conservative might see as more as a gang than an administration, though in someways there are similarities. Sam is "the one" who dated a call girl, even though there's nothing primarily wrong with that. Josh is "the one" who said a reverend was a messiah being indicted for tax fraud. Etc.
I don't think it's racial. I think it is more of a slur on the Bartlett administration as a group or gang. I think they find the Bartlett "gang" to be annoying as a group, since the gang is certainly more liberal and open-minded than these narrow-minded snobs.
It can't be racist, because she described the white (albeit Jewish) Toby as "THE father" then goes on to describe Charlie as "THE one who...". It isn't racist, it's just snobbery. These are the kind of people who would say "one" instead of "I" as an affectation, thinking it makes them sound sophisticated and educated when it just makes them sound like try-hards.
They're using 3rd-person descriptions because it's how they view the world. At a distance.
The best way with dealing with snobs like this is to avoid using phrases like "I'm sorry" or "If its alright with you". Especially when you're in a confrontation with them like this. Or anytime for that matter. People like that are so full of themselves because of their status and money that saying those words merely empowers them.
the idea that its better to get cash from the government than have a broke dad around is wrong.
The dad being there is always better than anything else....
AlanMolstad 1 month ago
@AlanMolstad you can't be as simplistic as your post suggests. since the rest of us don't live in utopia, i suggest you consider the 'best' plan may not be the same as the 'best available' plan. the best plan is to provide a household that is a healthy environment. if broke dad does not contribute to that environment, he should still be there...?
aj71169 1 month ago
@aj71169 the dad should be there, working hard, and being a good image of what a husband/father is.
AlanMolstad 1 month ago
@AlanMolstad and if he isn't working hard and being a good image? in that situation, is it still the case that 'The dad being there is always better than anything else...."?
aj71169 1 month ago
@aj71169 yes.....one of the reasons we no longer expect dads of children to stick around is we make it easy for them to skip out.
What we should support is that the dad and mom are married, and that no matter the up's and down's in life, that family stays a family.
For richer, or poorer....sickness and in health.
Dad should always be there for his kids.
AlanMolstad 1 month ago
@AlanMolstad your vision of home life is spectaculary imaginary. dad contributes nothing positive, but he should still be there because he is 'dad'? i have no idea how 'we' make it easy for them to leave. as a person, you either want/feel you need to be there or you don't. unfortunately, there are some very big downs that indicate, no, that parent doesn't need to be a part of the family. again, if a parent is not contributing to a healthy atmosphere, they shouldn't be there.
aj71169 1 month ago
@aj71169 One of the reasons dads dont know that should always stay with their family, is that they never had a dad around for them.
They have no image of what a dad is, nor have seen what a husband and wife marriage looks like.
To stop this slide, we got to support a dad and mom being always married, always together.
AlanMolstad 1 month ago
@AlanMolstad staying with your family is not a know/don't know, it's a choice. people are aware of responsibility at an early age, and without experiencing a father figure, altruism is generally inate. people who want to be there for there children, generally are. no amount of exterior support will change their perspective. and if they don't want to be there, if that means they will not be a positive contributer to the child's growth, there is no always.
aj71169 1 month ago
Two parents that raise their baby together and bring up the child with an example that love is more important than money, should be the "ideal".that is promoted by Hollywood.
The idea that it's better to have only one parent if that brings in more cash (government aid) is wrong.
AlanMolstad 2 months ago
Sexually repressed retards.
YNot1989 2 months ago
@younghoss Seriously? Haha, sorry, but any young woman who's a bright enough thinker to be watching a show like "The West Wing" is not going to gloss over the "successful and financially stable" part. I think you're getting the audience of this show mixed up with the audience of "Jersey Shore."
Minyasta 4 months ago
Toby while he won't admit it has the same feelings that a child should have a mother and a father.
It wasn't wrong for this couple to express their feelings.
She's the one who got up and approached him.
Toby should have told her to back down
People in high office are role models and the way they lead their lives are open to public scrutiny.
To those who think thiis couple was wrong .
Let's say it was John Edwards instead of the Congreswoman.
How would you feel then.
bornbillsmith 4 months ago
@bornbillsmith That the couple was wrong. That guy had no business acting judgemental. He was an idiot. I'm sorry if you think judging people without even knowing the facts like this dumbass did is a good thing, but I happen to think thats its NOT a stranger's place to publicly judge another in such a poor fashion.
Ares99999 3 months ago 3
In what sort of world would a young woman who chooses an United States representative as her role model be shallow enough to assume that having a child out of wedlock was glamorous?
lissaleaves 5 months ago
If only they had shown Charlie knocking that guy out.
socalledcollegelife 5 months ago
i wouldve told that Congresswoman to shut her feminist mouth and to fuck off
chrisbrown456 6 months ago
The world needs more women like Congresswoman Wyatt!
itsjakethomas 7 months ago
I hate people like that. They are the ones who also tell me I shouldn't wear certain tops because it "offends people", and that I should be respectful of my elders when the elder in question just elbowed me out of the way to push into the queue i'm in. Keeping in mind that I had 2 items, she had a whole basket. Congresswoman Wyatt is amazing. As Jrs89 said, she can afford to look after the kids by herself and they have a father, just not at the same address. It's not like he's not there.
NickyLess 9 months ago
You know it's funny...just watching the scene, there's no direct evidence that the man has actually consumed any drinks.
AvadaKedavra1138 9 months ago
@AvadaKedavra1138 They're in a bar.
KolinahrStudent 8 months ago
go jewish man go
hojoleon 11 months ago
something always happens when they go to California
hollywoodwerewolf 1 year ago
Man, if only Congresswoman Wyatt was real and was a role model for young girls. I think it would be a great thing if every girl in this country was motivated to do well in school, hold public office, be independent, and wait until they're mature and financially secure enough to raise a child by themselves. Sure, you can argue having a father is important, but I think one successful and financially stable parent is a hell of a lot better than two broke dumbasses who can't take care of themselves.
jrs89 2 years ago 99
@jrs89 Toby was always involved, he never stopped loved Andie. And he named Molly, their daughter.
emmyjo720 1 year ago
@jrs89
I think this raises some very good points. Unfortunately, too many girls see this fictional unwed mom as ok, but don't see the " motivated to do well in school, hold public office, be independent, and wait until they're mature and financially secure enough to raise a child by themselves " that you point out should be a condition.
younghoss 8 months ago 2
@jrs89 The better design that was intended from the start is that each child is born into a family unit with a father and a mother.
The more we tend to stray away from what was the best original idea, the more we stray away from the best overall plan for the child.
Hollywood loves to suggest that "no dad" is just as good if not better than "broke dad".
But that suggestion is in error.
A child knows that even a broke dad is better than an empty chair at breakfast.
AlanMolstad 2 months ago
@AlanMolstad A child with two dads or mums is better than a child in possession of the state.
tigerflea 1 month ago
....and here's a good argument for ya.........
How many of the rest of you can name each of the following people?
The communications director from any of the 5 most recent administrations (without looking it up).
The presidents personal "body man" (as charlie is referred to).
The boyfriend of any 1st daughter since Julie Eisenhower (Nixons daughter)?
How does this couple know so much about these people?
They're certainly not on the news EVERYDAY.
nudist0885 2 years ago
@nudist0885 way late but to answer your initial question the republican running against the congreswoman probably made a big fuzz over her being pregnant and not letting people know.Remember toby was afraid she might get seud.
And Charlie was in the news when the president was shot as the secret service got the shooters which turn out to be white supremacist,so at least that got onto the news and people would have concluded that it was charlie, not to mention many people weren't happy about him
rjh00 1 year ago
I love how surprisingly well-versed these backwards yoiks are on the whole soap drama that is the West Wing - "This is the father' and "This is the one that was with the daughter" and the whole recognizing the congresswoman from Maryland even in California or wherever they are
thatdrattedcat 2 years ago
Note: I say "soap drama" with love
thatdrattedcat 2 years ago
If you're going to lecture people on setting an example, you should maybe try it yourself. Those two are ranting at Andi about her being pregnant, but are themselves committing harrassment. Gotta love it.
KartarNighthawk 2 years ago 7
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stop pretending that he threatened her....he did not.
the reason they were so close was because she wteped towards him. then toby stepped between them, further escalating the situation.
he made his statement....then started walking....she responded, he said "whatever"
and she said "DAMN RIGHT WHATEVER"
she wanted to fight, toby wanted to fight...
the guy did nothing but act like an ass....and he has a right to do so, we all do.
bigrob981 2 years ago
Yeah, when people insult someone I love, I'm just gonna sit there and let them take it.
He also stepped back towards her, and didn't need to get in her space, but he did.
But then, it is a TV show.
MovieMann16 2 years ago 2
After that guy said "Those kids deserve a father, she should have said "Well your kids deserve a sober father.
TheFrogger15 2 years ago 6
Which episode is this from?
Roseforever84 2 years ago
It's from California 47th in Season 4.
MissTeeFy 2 years ago
wow talk about narrow minded.....
why is those that complain about others, are usually just as norrow minded?
maybe just maybe, there are people that don't want thier daughters aspiring to be single mothers.....even if they happen to be congress members...
jed, told toby to marry her.....and toby was even ashamed to tell the president he was having a baby(s).....
there are two sides to each issue, and both sides deserve respect...not just the side you are on..
bigrob981 2 years ago
There is a time and place for everything and these jack asses are welcome to their opinions but that doesn't mean they have a right to verbally assault another person, period.
He was being aggressive and moving into her personal space which he had no right to do either. Toby was simply defending her.
Plus her comments about Charlie seals the deal that they are simply part of the 'ignorant tight ass club'.
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago
watch it again...without your blinders on and you will see....the man never moved towards her, in fact she moved towards him. it was toby that escalated the situation.
there was no verbal assault, they are all public people that work for us.
bigrob981 2 years ago
I don't have blinders on. Yes, she stood up next to him but he moves in with his 'explanation' of why he believes he is so much more moral than she is and is already in her 'personal space'. I would be concerned about her in that situation. In an instant the already irritate man or his wife could have raised his fist to hit her, since he was already intoxicated and irrational.
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago
He had no right to heckle her in the first place just because they are public servants doesn't mean they aren't allowed a civil private conversation. She wasn't breaking any laws moral or civil, so she decided to have children, big deal.
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago
actually he does have a right, and its guaranteed by the US Constitution.
bigrob981 2 years ago
All the Constitution guarantees is that government will not stop free speech. You don't have the right to harass people.
juliamacadam 2 years ago 4
where does the constitution give you a right to harass and badger people?
doubleg137 2 years ago 2
@doubleg137 Article 1 section 1
cloudcutter81 1 year ago
@doubleg137 article 1 of the Bill of rights
cloudcutter81 1 year ago
He could have found other ways to voice his displeasure in writing letters,sending emails,TV interviews etc.
The President said that Catholicism works for him and Abby but that doesn't mean it has to be what works for Toby or the mother to be. He was saying that more as a running joke because the staff was trying to get them back together.
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago
he could have, but he chose to say it to her face....freedom of speech means freedom for all, and all points of view not just your own.
bigrob981 2 years ago
They are being rude and snotty not only to her but to Toby and Charlie by referring to them in that matter. Their opinion wasn't under question, their attitude was.
Don't like her example then don't vote for her. Elected officials have the same rights as regular citizens.
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago 4
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people can have whatever attitude they like, you cannot control thier minds.
the point is valid:
SHE IS AN EXAMPLE TO YOUNG WOMEN EVERYWHERE.
now you may not hav a problem with it....but with all the medical studies and research done on the subject how can anyone choose to be a single parent. knowing how this effects the growth of the children, the baggage they have to carry and the mental and emotional issues they have to deal with....
only selfish people do that to kids...
bigrob981 2 years ago
I don't know what laws you are aware of but freedom of speech means that you are allowed to peacefully, lawfully voice your opinion, not threatening or aggressive. To verbally assault someone.
There are ways to legally voice your views one way or another that doesn't include disorderly conduct and just being a jackass about it.
Those freedoms you talk about also pertain to Toby and her so he was impeding on her liberties.
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago
Um, did you watch this show at all?
Andi didn't get pregnant from a one-night stand. She got pregnant via artificial insemination. It was a conscious choice and I doubt that anyone would have talked like that if they knew the circumstances.
wrestlingdog 2 years ago
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single parent is bad......2 parents is better.
this is a fact, backed up by much research....
bigrob981 2 years ago
Fact:
Children are best placed under the care of parents that love them. The number of parents is not nearly as important.
Good day, sir.
zbt518 2 years ago 7
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sorry, but your statement ignores the reality that a single parent usually does not have the time, resources needed to properly raise children.
but since you mention it, how much time would a single member of congress have to raise a child? can you say "NANNY".
so her child gets raised by rosa-maria, instead of a loving parent.
seems pretty selfish to me...
daytime tv (maury,springer etc)and prisons are filled with the product of single parent homes.
is that you want for your kid
bigrob981 2 years ago
Again: the number of parents is not as important as the affection the children receive.
Would it be better to have children raised by one loving parent and one who is not loving but remains present only because it is expected of them?
I'd prefer a dutiful and loving nanny...whether their name is "Rosa-Maria," or "Tony Danza."
Ah, and I believe that daytime TV is also the product of very poor network planning, and little more.
Good day, sir.
zbt518 2 years ago
I wouldn't mind hiring Tony Danza for a Nanny! LOL Nice reference to the grand 80's!
abfirefighterchick 2 years ago
which season was this particular episode in?
matthaios03 3 years ago
season 4.
PKwinsomee 2 years ago
ahh man i cant belive you missed the punch up that comes right after this lol but still fun to watch
Slavetonolaw 3 years ago
Damn right it's Congresswoman Wyatt
theforeman118 3 years ago 3
I still can't believe there was a fuss about Sam sleeping with a call girl. A) she seemed like a very bright, very consenting, friendly young woman who went to bed with Sam for personal attraction besides money. B) Sam didn't know until after the fact and even if he did, it would have seemed again a rather friendly business transaction. C) One way or another, sexual relationships come with a price.
Flowbee79 3 years ago 2
True enough, but things can be misinterpreted and they can be spun; and as Aaron Sorkin himself wrote, "the American people have a funny way of deciding what is and is not their business."
revolt1915 3 years ago 3
@Flowbee79 - The thing is, the public wouldn't have believed that he didn't pay her, and it would have been pretty difficult for him to convince the public that he didn't.
I'm totally for legalizing prostitution, but in the meantime it is illegal, and it's going to be a scandal if people believe that a prominent White House official broke the law.
fidelio1980 1 year ago
please tell me that guy gets beaten the shit out of cause if he talked to the mother of my future children that way i would hav to quit work for the amount of things i would impart upon him
damo169 3 years ago 2
There's a brawl where Toby and Charlie get thrown in jail till they make bail.
variablelight 3 years ago
There is a slight shoving incident in which the elitist lush goes down. You don't see it, but it's a far cry from Rocky.
Flowbee79 3 years ago
I don't think Sorkin does himself any favors with these obviously biased and exaggerated caricatures of conservatives he does. They damage his credibility and therefore his message. I'm not saying there aren't any people like that, but to Sorkins mind it's every last one of them.
EnigmaticMrWu 3 years ago
Not really, he does hand other Republicans and conservatives a good deal of credit. But there are people who are conservatives who think they have a right to tell you how to run your personal life, and get haughty when you tell them where the line is drawn. They don't, but they sure think they do.
Flowbee79 3 years ago 5
There are some exceptions like Ainsley, and that guy that was dating Donna briefly, but for the most part they come off as some combination of Pat Robertson, David Duke, Ricky Bobby, Gordon Gekko, and possibly Sgt. Tackleberry from the Police Academy movies.
EnigmaticMrWu 3 years ago 2
said ppl do exist tho and run their mouths. Besides this dude was wasted too lol
elfred1980 3 years ago 3
there are many other conservatives portrayed in a good light though. Vinick for one
PumaOPumaOPumaO 3 years ago 28
@PumaOPumaOPumaO Also Ainsley Hayes.
emmyjo720 11 months ago 2
@emmyjo720 And the dude Matthew Perry played.
gbushimprov 9 months ago
@PumaOPumaOPumaO Walken is also portrayed well if you ask me. There are prick Democrats in the show like Hoynes and Russell
bluesboy25000 4 months ago 2
and the counsel (obviously inspired by Fred Thompson) who told a senator that he was what was killing the party...
Prod1Kh 3 years ago
Having been there, done that (and gotten wiser) I can assure you that there are plenty of conservatives who would've gone exactly the way this couple did, had they come across this group in a public place. The people who think that they know best how everyone else should conduct their personal lives rarely shy from a chance to tell everyone all about it. Or, when they can, vote to install their beliefs as law.
thoughtful 3 years ago 8
did sam win?? i don't remember this season
tigerfanfrv 3 years ago
no, he lost.
scatterbrainedfloozy 3 years ago
What did that woman mean by saying, "This is the one who was with the daughter"? Without knowing the context of what she said, I would have interpreted it as overtly racist.
webidiotbox 3 years ago 2
I guess they're republicans. She's referring to Charlie dating Zoe, the president's daughter. It's an attempt to degrade and belittle the White House.
samsmaria 3 years ago
Well, now I gotta to watch the entire episode.
webidiotbox 3 years ago
I think when she says, the one, I think she is referring to "the one" in the Bartlett gang. It's not an attack on him as a black guy overtly, but an attack on him as one of the Bartlett crew, who arch-conservative might see as more as a gang than an administration, though in someways there are similarities. Sam is "the one" who dated a call girl, even though there's nothing primarily wrong with that. Josh is "the one" who said a reverend was a messiah being indicted for tax fraud. Etc.
Flowbee79 3 years ago
No. It is a racial slur because Charlie dated and later married the President's white daughter, Zoey.
capnmaxx23 3 years ago 4
I don't think it's racial. I think it is more of a slur on the Bartlett administration as a group or gang. I think they find the Bartlett "gang" to be annoying as a group, since the gang is certainly more liberal and open-minded than these narrow-minded snobs.
Flowbee79 3 years ago 3
It can't be racist, because she described the white (albeit Jewish) Toby as "THE father" then goes on to describe Charlie as "THE one who...". It isn't racist, it's just snobbery. These are the kind of people who would say "one" instead of "I" as an affectation, thinking it makes them sound sophisticated and educated when it just makes them sound like try-hards.
They're using 3rd-person descriptions because it's how they view the world. At a distance.
'cause they're, you know, snobs.
Prod1Kh 2 years ago 7
The best way with dealing with snobs like this is to avoid using phrases like "I'm sorry" or "If its alright with you". Especially when you're in a confrontation with them like this. Or anytime for that matter. People like that are so full of themselves because of their status and money that saying those words merely empowers them.
airdriver 2 years ago
i love the clip from the next episode where they are being bailed out of jail
lmtrione 4 years ago 9
right!
i just uploaded it under the title "The West Wing - Toby and Charlie make bail"! :-)
Kelseyshuan 4 years ago
I wanted them to show Toby and Charlie crush this clown...
Yanksshash 4 years ago 6
I dont remember this episode...what one is this clip from?
coalhopper 4 years ago
4x16 The California 47th
when they went to California to help out Sam.
Kelseyshuan 4 years ago
Thanks! I did indeed miss this episode...
coalhopper 4 years ago