LMAO I lost it when they cut him off and ended the video HAHA. Right when he started to repeat himself I thought. Is this guy serious holy cow buddy.... Then boom the video ends. Awesome, pure genius.
They are in hell because they are not getting laid, and they wonder why... God is fair, he would make everyone beautiful, but ugly people fuck up the world.
Pretty much what this caller is saying is the God he believes might exist doesn't want to be known. If there is a God like that, then I hope it never expects me to believe for sure that it's there.
It's funny how at the end the caller says that god cant be tested scientifically, when Matt clearly explained him, for over 4 minutes, how this god CAN be tested if it manifests himself in any way in reality.
@TheDrumstick77 humanity has been hearing that for millenia. Where is he?? Hello? Any god out there. Wrath me!!! Oooops, still here. Maybe tomorrow then ey?
@marigold okay if it means that much to you then fine demons are a figment of my imagination and I'll drink a beer to your point. but one day I suppose we will be both privy to the truth as we pass into the next world. but if I it turns out there are demons I'm gonna hit you upside your fuckin head,,,lol We'll pick it up on another topic.
@marigold on the contrary you have not proven anything by defining the word. The assertion of defining the supernaturals existence based of the definition of a word does not constitute whether or not something exists. To believe the supernatural does not exist based on tangible physical evidence defies the concept of something being supernatural. It is not of this world so how could one explain it other than what are documented cases of demonic possession
2. The documented cases are based upon witnesses which ranks the lowest in evidence validity. One is not able to observe, measure or theorise upon witnessing as it requires a leap of faith to trust. It is in NO WAY a scientiffic proof. I saw a unicorn this morning. You can't prove that I didn't, thus I'm right.
3. People perscribed demonic powers and demonic influences to many diseases and mental conditions we now know are a medical or neuropsychological problem.
@ marigold I'm afraid demons are much older than ancient greek mythology but its noble attempt to explain. by the way human knowledge is limited by a higher authority designed to keep you from the truth. As long as you have discord from the truth you have no access to divine protection. Human history is flawed by the illuminated ones. I will give u an example. the pyramids @ giza. They want u to believe the were built in 2400bc in honor of the pharaoh cheops. when in fact 10500bc is the true era
@edewkateddatme Would beg to differ. Demon comes from Ancient Greek δαίμων (daimon, “a god, goddess, divine power, genius, guardian spirit”), from δαίω (daio, “to divide, to distribute destinies, to allot”). That's the etymology of the word. Since I've proven your one factual claim false, the other can be discarded as well on basis of no trust. Also, assertions implied without evidence can be discarded as such.
why use leprichans or santa clause as examples in believing in the things u feel dont exist?why not use things like demons instead. the fact is the supernatural is as real as the arrogance you posses in secrets of your sins. Humans are so stupid its no wonder they remain slaves to the one who harvests them to eternal damnation. what is truth? Truth comes to all who seek it
@edewkateddatme Demons are actually not a bilbical characters. They come from ancient greek mythology, they were the ones that weren't blessed during the Chronos era. What truth? Truth is empirical claim backed up by evidence. Biblical truth has no evidence thus is not truth.
@cromaticas Yes, it's good logic, cuz he never says that to a Christian or Muslim.... Only to an athiest, plus they put this nasty attitude for all types of people who believe in a God
how can you do a scientific hypnosis on the age of the universe or macro evolution like how do you really know that a fish turned into something else a billions years ago.
What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
Dam. I just saw a creationists' status update where he's doing maths: "technology is evil because w is the 24th letter in the alphabet. 24 or 2+4=6. so w w w = 6 6 6." Anybody care to count the fallacies and general mistakes. After typing that sentence my head exploded.
when he said he was a theist and he said "gooood hugugugugugu the chatroom's very happy hgugugugugugug (laughter?)" This means he doesn't like debating with people who aren't close to his beliefs like christians or muslims. That confirms my suspicion of almost all of these videos that he puts on this nasty attitude whenever talking to them.
@wordyeaux I don't think he goes out to do that, but the most popular clips get up on the web, the most popular are of idiots and no one suffers fools gladly.
I love how every Youtube video of basically any genre ends up with people arguing about race, gender, religion, discrimination, or how LeBron James traveled.
A democracy is relative when there is good and bad people; sucks if democracy is held by the worst kinds of people and great when in the hands of benevolent people.
@itestudent In a Democracy People can & are encouraged to express their Discontent. Dictatorships suppress People's right to express Discontent. It appears You need to read about History & understand how Dictatorships have ruined countries & how Democracy has helped countries. Yes some Democracies have failed & were controlled by greedy opportunists. However Democracy gives a society a better opportunity to succeed than a Dictatorship.
@tranquility4all Oh, Democracy has its downs too because the bad ones too lack what Tyranny of dictatorship lack; Reason and Empathy. We are breathing life to concepts that can be twisted to terrible means.
@tranquility4all I am not whining. You are whining and being condescending and you dismiss the points that im trying to say which is clever in your part to garner attention with your rhetorics.
@tranquility4all There must be a balance between dictatorship and democracy because the needs and reasons will not be able to go hand in hand well when a government is ruled though the extreme ends of the paths. May i know why are you so frustrated and confrontational all the time? Or are you, again, actually troll who tries to garner more likes?
@itestudent There needs to be balance in government & government should try to address the needs of people. Dictatorships are only concerned with their needs. The only person frustrated is YOU. Stop complaining about government & the needs of poor pregnant women & DO SOMETHING about it. STOP making pathetic excuses for your unwillingness to help people who need help. You're also condescending to people in need by only offering Lip Service instead of actually helping them.
i dont mean to judge, but it is with that kind of attitude that actually really discourage better solutions and instead derogate it to the point that any idea of beneficial change becomes neutered like a stray dog. Back to square one. And yes; i will insult you. You are a Troll. Im sorry, but it seems that way -_-
@itestudent Your ASSertion that I discourage better solutions is ludicrous. I asked You to present a better form of government & You haven't. You're not a troll. You're a spoiled brat who only complains & doesn't offer or do anything to help. You offer Lip Service to people in need & then make pathetic excuses for Your unwillingness to help. I suggest You stop passing judgement on me & actually do something to help others instead of just offering Lip Service & making excuses for Yourself.
@tranquility4all Again, aggressive, condescending, speaking in rhetorics that offers only problems to an only detrimental state. Stop being so antagonistic and for once THINK about what i am trying to say. And the fact your insulting me with such fervor i assume you are only venting out what was obviously your frustrations and not helping discuss and re-assess what can be done and what should be mediated. What ever insults you throw mirrors your current pattern of communication right now.
@itestudent I have not offered problems. You have only whined & offered Lip Service. I told You several times to STOP WHINING & making Pathetic excuses for Your unwillingness to help people in need. I never ASSumed You did anything wrong. You have done nothing but complain & offer Lip Service. You also ASSert Dictatorships are necessary. NEWS FLASH, Dictatorships suppress the voice of People. I actually HELP People by working with charitable organizations. You only complain & offer Lip Service.
@tranquility4all if there is anything i am complaining, it is your attitude. I actually help people and the 'lip' services i provide is not lies or accentuating hypocrisy; it is facts and truths i present yet people, like you prefers to ignore and learn the bitter truths for yourselves.
@itestudent What I'm complaining about is Your ignorance about the role of government. Your continuation of offering Lip service & Your pathetic excuses for not helping others only confirms Your unwillingness to help people in need. You also continue to ASSert I'm angry & condescending. I'm challenging You to stop whining & making excuses. Time for You to do something. I don't need You to tell me what is required for societies to improve.
@tranquility4all Democracy and Dictatorship ruled by Reason and Empathy are extremely neccessary to co-exist and maintain balance or else it will fail badly and can become either communism or a regime.
@itestudent Obviously You have a MENTAL BLOCK. For the 4th. time. I already told You Democracy isn't perfect. Dictatorship is not a form of Government. You can find fault with any form of government. However, I prefer a government which promotes participation. Dictatorships DON'T ! Any form of Government (socialism, democracy, communism, monarchy etc.) will fail when it's controlled by opportunists who only care about their interests.
@tranquility4all your leading this 'argument' to another redundant matter. And clearly you also dont get what i mean; i only see ranting. Or something to vent your frustration out. Do you know what condescending means? Do you know what im trying to point out? Are you really for real that your going this to a whole loop? That is why you are a unfortunately a Trol and a provoker with your foremost insults and rhetorics; Insult and Rhetoric.
@itestudent I know what You're attempting to point out. However all You're doing is offering Lip Service & insulting people who are desperately in need of help. You also don't understand the role of Government. As I stated earlier You're nothing more than a spoiled little brat who only offers Lip service & complains. Obviously You're too STUPID to understand ACTIONS speak louder than words. Unfortunately You're all talk & no action ! Get Lost PUNK !!!
@tranquility4all how would you know im that kind of person? You too are offering lip service, what irony that you who is so antagonistic describes very thing you are all about. I dont get why are you so angry. Thats why i suspect you are a troll, and a flamer and you speak in WIT/WITTY; as in, in RHETORIC. What are you implying is nothing more than stagnation. Which country do you live in? Sincere question; no insult.
yes, i No not know about government, but i understand it, to the point of it.
@itestudent I'm offering Lip service ? You do need to take a course in remedial rereading. In my previous posts I told You I do charitable work. What the hell have You been doing other than complaining & offering Lip service ? I also told You in previous posts that I reside in the U.S.A. LEARN HOW TO READ !!!
@itestudent your next reply will be the final thing i see and then i wont comment anymore, because the topic at previous hand was only about abortion. Theres a reason people like you were silenced.
@itestudent Abortion is a Legal Medical Service in the U.S.A. Nobody has silenced me. Here in the U.S.A. We have Freedom of Speech. Control Freaks like You want People to live their lives according to Your ideology. I don't know what country You live in. However I suggest You download a copy of the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees Equal Protection for all. We don't need a dictatorship. Start educating Yourself & STOP offering Lip service & making pathetic excuses for yourself ! GOODBYE !!!
@itestudent Read Your previous comment carefully. You wrote You WON'T comment anymore. Now You're offering Lip Service to Yourself. Not only are You an uninformed person who only offers Lip service & makes pathetic excuses for Your unwillingness to help others. You can't even remember Your previous comments. Pay careful attention to what You write & maybe You will avoid making a FOOL of Yourself.
Greedy opportunists is one thing; Ignorance and misunderstanding is what really tears the governing body of any nation apart and fuels radicalism. And again, you are condescending, which ironically makes you the unspoken self-proclaimed 'moral' arbiter; but ignorance really fuels your aggression the most since you are hellbent in ridiculing rather than through a calm and straight conversation.
@itestudent You should not be concerned with other people may think of You if You try to help others. I volunteer my time to charitable causes & I don't care what other people may think of me. You only talk about helping others. I actually help others. For You to ASSert that I'm condescending & a self proclaimed moral arbiter only reveals Your Ignorance. I'm not insulting You. However You're an ASS HOLE who only talks & doesn't do anything but complain.
@tranquility4all presumption to know me is a bitter and low blow to someone like me who does not agitate a fellow dude. And you are condescending for assuming i have 'wrongs' against the world; i am only acertain that there are some things that must be imperative to preventing decay and entropy in an ever-increasing hungry society.
@itestudent The only thing You promote is empathy. SO WHAT ? Many People are emphatic. Try offering real solutions. You suggest Dictatorships may be necessary. GET REAL ! Any form of Government which suppresses the voice & will of its' constituents does not benefit a society. You also ASSert because I don't agree with You that I'm condescending & angry. NEWS FLASH, Dissent doesn't mean a person is condescending nor angry. It confirms they don't agree with You.
it became somewhat understood; since all these phenomena are [but] forms of one reality, namely, energy.
Then how can the duped atheists *delude* themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
It's depressing to me that in this day and age that we're still arguing about the existence of an imaginary god. So, for all the believers out there, here's the short version:
1) There is no god. There's also no heaven or hell.
2) There is no 'master plan' or mysterious goal or hidden purpose to the universe. What you see is what you get.
3) The bible is an interesting tale, but that's about it. Do not take it literally.
@mikefromwa Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
@1tabligh: "Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves"
Are you actually trying to say that because not everything in the entire universe is known, that the answer MUST be that "god" did it? Is that what you're claiming? Seriously?
@mikefromwa Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
@1tabligh: "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude..."
I don't claim to know what scientists conclude. I do, however, claim to know that there is *zero* evidence for any "god" or supernatural deity who might take credit for it.
Again, just because something isn't known DOESN'T mean the "god did it!" is the answer. You might as well say, "Leprechauns did it!". Or Anubis. Or Allah. Or Thor, or Odin, etc etc etc.
@mikefromwa Then how could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
@1tabligh: "Then how could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim..."
How could you permit yourself to come up with the improbable claim that "god did it"?
Unlike you, scientists don't claim to know everything. But it's pretty obvious that it wasn't the result of a magical being. Is that really your contention? If something isn't known, then "god" must have done it? That's a pretty ridiculous position to take. Why not attribute it to leprechauns?
@mike... What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
@1tabligh: Science has been called a "collection of successful recipes". In other words, science *works*, unlike praying to a repulsive little pedophile like Mohammed, or to your imaginary "allah".
You pray, I'll use science, and we'll see which of us actually gets results first. :) 0 /_\ <-- look, a picture of mohammed! :)
In his equation, Einstein says that energy is equal to the mass of muter times the velocity of light squared (E = mc2 where E is energy, m mass, and c velocity of light). The velocity of light is equal to 186,282 miles per second. Also, the mass is equal to the energy divided by the velocity of light squared (m= E/c2).
With this, it became established that the atom with its protons and electrons is nothing in reality but concentrated energy ....
that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather, ...
that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather,
@1tabligh: Thanks for babbling about discoveries by *real* scientists- the same scientists whose discoveries the church has tried to suppress for 2000 years. Unfortunately, none of it has ever provided even the slightest shred of proof for your imaginary god.
Face it- your "god" is not real, okay? It's all nothing more than a load of nonsensical fairy tales, written by a bunch of desert-dwelling goat herders who thought the Earth was flat.
Today, the laws governing the celestial systems are well known. Galaxies are balanced by the position of stars and planets in well-defined orbits, as well as the interplay of gravitational forces produced by their masses and the speed of their movements. But is this not what the Qur’an describes in terms which have only become comprehensible in modern times.
“(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion.” Qur’an,21:33The Arabic word which expresses this movement is the verb yasbahoon which implies the idea of motion produced by a moving body, whether it is the movement of one’s legs running on the ground, or the action of swimming in water. In the case of a celestial body, one is forced to translate it, according to its original meaning,
“(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion.” Qur’an,21:33The Arabic word which expresses this movement is the verb yasbahoon which implies the idea of motion produced by a moving body, whether it is the movement of one’s legs running on the ground, or the action of swimming in water. In the case of a celestial body, one is forced to translate it, according to its original meaning,
The Qur’anic description of the sequence of day and night would, in itself, be rather commonplace were it not for the fact that it is expressed in terms that are today highly appropriate. The Qur’an uses the verb kawwara in chapter az-Zumar to describe the way the night ‘winds’ or ‘coils’ itself around the day and the day around the night.
“He coils the night upon the day and the day upon the night.” Qur’an, 39:5
@1tabligh: "The Qur’an uses the verb kawwara in chapter az-Zumar to describe the way the night ‘winds’ or ‘coils’ itself around the day and the day around the night."
Lol, what a masterfully interpretive load of crap. :)
The original meaning of the verb kis to coil a turban around the head. This is a totally valid comparison; yet at the time the Qur’an was revealed, the astronomical data necessary to make this comparison were unknown. It is not until man landed on the moon and observed the earth spinning on its axis, that the dark half of the globe appeared to wind itself around the light and the light half appeared to wind itself around the dark.
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
@1tabligh: "How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?"
No one is saying the matter is the "equivalent" of an "all-knowing Creator". Where would you even get this idea from?
But because you don't know the answer to something, is it sensible to postulate an invisible all-powerful creator just to fill in the gaps in your knowledge? That's ridiculous.
All the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe is the way it is because this is the way the laws of physics work. Matter doesn't need any inherent intelligence to behave the way it does.
Or are you saying that 'god' deliberately set the speed of light to be 299,792,458 m/s?
Did 'god' decide that Plank's Constant would be 6.626068 × 10-34 m2 kg / s?
No. Those values are the natural values for those things. No 'god' required.
@mikefromwa Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@1tabligh: You believe that this entire universe was made just for us. That's like a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
@mikefromwa How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
@mikefromwa Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
@mikefromwa Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
@1tabligh: "Should the scientist ... believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?"
Yes.
Should scientist really assume that there is an invisible, telepathic super-being who's responsible for everything?
The universe is the way it is because its present form is where things came to settle out, or balance, according to the laws of physics here. There's no reason to believe that any mystical being created the universe.
@mikefromwa Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
is vividly described in chapter Yaa Seen of the Qur’an:
"The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing.” Qur’an, 36:38
“Settled place” is the translation of the word mustaqarr which indicates an exact appointed place and time. Modern astronomy confirms that the solar system is indeed moving in space at a rate of 12 miles per second towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules ( alpha lyrae )
@mikefromwa Don't waste Your time & effort on 1tabligh. She/he is an Irrational Islamic Fundamentalist who deludes her/himself into believing in the existence of a god without evidence while attempting to mock Scientific Theories which are supported with evidence & continual testing.
@tranquility4all: "She/he is an Irrational Islamic Fundamentalist who deludes her/himself into believing in the existence of a god"
Yep, I'd gathered that much from his/her replies. No amount of proof is good enough for people like 1tabligh- they're so firmly entrenched in their delusion that there is no room for any doubt. It's creepy. He or she would gladly put us all to the sword for daring to not believe.
@mikefromwa Unfortunately there are many theists who will resort to trying to scare people into believing in their deity. The age old threat of eternal damnation has frightened many children into believing in the existence of a deity.
@mikefromwa Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
@1tabligh: You're wrong on both counts. There is no need for matter to be "intelligent" OR any need for there to be a mysterious "guiding hand" to make everything work the way it does. It's not an "either or" kind of thing.
You're stuck on thinking that there must be *something* that makes it all go, some special intelligent force behind everything. There isn't.
@mikefromwa What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
@1tabligh: "What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth..."
Any realistic scientist. NO realistic scientist would claim that the structure of the kidney reveals some intelligent designer, which is what you've been dancing around the whole time.
When you roll a group of dice and they all come up sixes, does that mean there's some intelligent force guiding them?
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects without troubling to ascertain whether the higher, in fact, exists at the level of the lower. If lowly matter is unable even at the highest stage of its development, namely thought and reflection—
either to create itself or to violate any of the laws that rule over it, it follows ineluctably that it is unable to create other beings and the laws regulating them. How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?
@1tabligh: "How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?"
Again, you're making the argument that matter itself is somehow intelligent and responsible for directing its own actions. It's not, and neither is there some invisible magic being who is making the universe run.
You're not even close to making a cogent argument.
@mikefromwa Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
@1tabligh: "But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them."
Oh, I get it- learning, logic, and reason *corrupt* man's brain so he can no longer understand things.
@mikefromwa Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
@mikefro..Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
@1tabligh: "Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions."
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. But it's not a fact. Do you understand the difference?
You're welcome to your own opinions...you're not welcome to your own facts.
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
@1tabligh: "Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?"
I don't know...maybe we should incubate the dynamic information matrix and project some impactful entity-relationships in a way that would clarify the horizontal metadata.
@mikefr...We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
You don't know? Then why the hell are you quibbling in vain for? What you think, you got the brain for? Eating bananas and thinking about your so called monkey ancestors? Oh, grow up! Use you brain OR ask those who know instead of your quibbling in vain, O' Brainless cuckoo atheists with asinine mind!
Give answer otherwise CLOCK OFF!
NO WASTING TIME!
The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!!!
"Do they imagine that they've been created without any cause, or do they suppose that they are their own creators?" The Quran (52:36) "Have they created the heavens and the earth ? They have no certain belief in what they say" (52:37) Do they have a Lord other than God? No, it is not so; God is exalted above the partners they ascribe to him." (52:43) "Glorified be He in Whose hand is all sovereignty and Who has power over all things." (67:1)
Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature. This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
@1tabligh" This means that the materialists accept the principle...blah blah blah"
Is this a long story? Does it have a plot, a point, or an end?
The fact is that your god is imaginary. Get over it and start acting and thinking like an adult. None of us care about your fairy tales of an invisible super-buddy in the sky. It's all horsecrap. I've seen comic books that were more believable than the bible. :)
Hey, I can't help it if you worship a pedophile. Why is that my fault? Just because Mohammed liked to rape pre-teen girls is no reason to get all pissy with me.
Besides, a lot of people claim Mohammed was bisexual and dug little boys too. So at least he was even-handed, right? That's a good quality to have in a prophet, don't you think?
His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
@1tabligh: "Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!"
Is this that good ol' christian love I keep hearing about?
Frankly, you sound kind of tense. Is it that time of the month for you? Maybe you should switch to decaf and look into taking some anger management courses or something.
LMAO I lost it when they cut him off and ended the video HAHA. Right when he started to repeat himself I thought. Is this guy serious holy cow buddy.... Then boom the video ends. Awesome, pure genius.
dwaresacksqb 3 days ago
God created everything, and He created science too.
‘Do not be wise in your own eyes; Fear the Lord and depart from evil, It will be health to your flesh, And strength to you bones.’ Proverbs 3:7,8
KingdomSeeker2012 1 month ago
@KingdomSeeker2012 LOL
papermermaid 1 month ago
@avinablast were supposed to believe no matter what but it wont be long very,soon we will all know
TheDrumstick77 2 months ago
@pwnstoohard what do you believe in? god is real trust me very soon you will regret
TheDrumstick77 2 months ago
The last bit proved them wrong but the fuckers cut it out and ended the video early
Melbourne619 2 months ago
@Melbourne619 Really? how so? And don't worry the "fuckers" will be posting part 2 soon.
sandcut1 1 month ago
"Only a Sith deals in absolutes."
Isn't that in itself an absolute?
LogaFilms 2 months ago
They are in hell because they are not getting laid, and they wonder why... God is fair, he would make everyone beautiful, but ugly people fuck up the world.
toxicfart49 2 months ago
Think of religion like a thesis in an opinion essay: it cannot be proven, it's just an opinion.
LINDSAYLIKEOMG 2 months ago
Pretty much what this caller is saying is the God he believes might exist doesn't want to be known. If there is a God like that, then I hope it never expects me to believe for sure that it's there.
DisWldFrk90 2 months ago 7
It's funny how at the end the caller says that god cant be tested scientifically, when Matt clearly explained him, for over 4 minutes, how this god CAN be tested if it manifests himself in any way in reality.
dredoc1 2 months ago
I like this video, but it was cut short to quick. :)
avinablast 2 months ago
You will know soon enough that god is real
TheDrumstick77 2 months ago
@TheDrumstick77 humanity has been hearing that for millenia. Where is he?? Hello? Any god out there. Wrath me!!! Oooops, still here. Maybe tomorrow then ey?
avinablast 2 months ago
@avinablast LOL! I think the claim of God's absolute love and benevolence is an excuse for the lack of badass smiting
seaturtlesnsharks 2 months ago
@TheDrumstick77 you will know soon enough that hes not.
pwnstoohard 2 months ago
@marigold okay if it means that much to you then fine demons are a figment of my imagination and I'll drink a beer to your point. but one day I suppose we will be both privy to the truth as we pass into the next world. but if I it turns out there are demons I'm gonna hit you upside your fuckin head,,,lol We'll pick it up on another topic.
edewkateddatme 2 months ago
@marigold on the contrary you have not proven anything by defining the word. The assertion of defining the supernaturals existence based of the definition of a word does not constitute whether or not something exists. To believe the supernatural does not exist based on tangible physical evidence defies the concept of something being supernatural. It is not of this world so how could one explain it other than what are documented cases of demonic possession
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme 1. it is a word.
2. The documented cases are based upon witnesses which ranks the lowest in evidence validity. One is not able to observe, measure or theorise upon witnessing as it requires a leap of faith to trust. It is in NO WAY a scientiffic proof. I saw a unicorn this morning. You can't prove that I didn't, thus I'm right.
3. People perscribed demonic powers and demonic influences to many diseases and mental conditions we now know are a medical or neuropsychological problem.
marigold992 3 months ago
I have hot naked women in my back yard, but when I looked they're not there. Proof that Good exits.
klickkzam 3 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHHA< ONLY A SITH DEALS IN ABSOLUTES < HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
8000cheese 3 months ago
I find it funny some people actually need to be convinced that God is 100% fictional.. I'm just watching this show for the laughs :)
XplosivCookie 3 months ago
@XplosivCookie It really helps atheists who still have questions or who have recently deconverted from a religion. I know it did for me.
solitaryman098 3 months ago
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@solitaryman098 Oh good, so you came to your sense :)
XplosivCookie 3 months ago
@XplosivCookie I don't need to be convinced of anything. Still waiting for evidence that any gods are real, though.
RamoneHoffman 3 months ago
@RamoneHoffman Well you're gonna have to wait a hell of a long while until someone proves any gods real :)
If they do tho, Thor and Ukko would be great.
XplosivCookie 3 months ago
@ marigold I'm afraid demons are much older than ancient greek mythology but its noble attempt to explain. by the way human knowledge is limited by a higher authority designed to keep you from the truth. As long as you have discord from the truth you have no access to divine protection. Human history is flawed by the illuminated ones. I will give u an example. the pyramids @ giza. They want u to believe the were built in 2400bc in honor of the pharaoh cheops. when in fact 10500bc is the true era
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme Would beg to differ. Demon comes from Ancient Greek δαίμων (daimon, “a god, goddess, divine power, genius, guardian spirit”), from δαίω (daio, “to divide, to distribute destinies, to allot”). That's the etymology of the word. Since I've proven your one factual claim false, the other can be discarded as well on basis of no trust. Also, assertions implied without evidence can be discarded as such.
marigold992 3 months ago
lol...u just made me laugh
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
why use leprichans or santa clause as examples in believing in the things u feel dont exist?why not use things like demons instead. the fact is the supernatural is as real as the arrogance you posses in secrets of your sins. Humans are so stupid its no wonder they remain slaves to the one who harvests them to eternal damnation. what is truth? Truth comes to all who seek it
edewkateddatme 3 months ago
@edewkateddatme Demons are actually not a bilbical characters. They come from ancient greek mythology, they were the ones that weren't blessed during the Chronos era. What truth? Truth is empirical claim backed up by evidence. Biblical truth has no evidence thus is not truth.
marigold992 3 months ago
@cromaticas Yes, it's good logic, cuz he never says that to a Christian or Muslim.... Only to an athiest, plus they put this nasty attitude for all types of people who believe in a God
wordyeaux 3 months ago
can you upload part 2?
burlong01 3 months ago
HAHAAH oh the Sith part caught me off guard
deathrow989 3 months ago
@deathrow989 yeah... silly obi-wan saying ONLY a sith deals in absolutes
Arcexey 3 months ago
how can you do a scientific hypnosis on the age of the universe or macro evolution like how do you really know that a fish turned into something else a billions years ago.
jasonmarden 3 months ago
@jasonmarden
This video should explain how we work out the age of the universe. (/watch?v=FhfnqboacV0)
And fish to Amphibian transitional fossil like Tiktaalik have been found that show the transition.
Plus, we also have ring species like the Greenish Warbler that also prove macro evolution.
elcidthehero 3 months ago
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What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 3 months ago
Dam. I just saw a creationists' status update where he's doing maths: "technology is evil because w is the 24th letter in the alphabet. 24 or 2+4=6. so w w w = 6 6 6." Anybody care to count the fallacies and general mistakes. After typing that sentence my head exploded.
18booma 3 months ago
when he said he was a theist and he said "gooood hugugugugugu the chatroom's very happy hgugugugugugug (laughter?)" This means he doesn't like debating with people who aren't close to his beliefs like christians or muslims. That confirms my suspicion of almost all of these videos that he puts on this nasty attitude whenever talking to them.
wordyeaux 3 months ago
@wordyeaux lolwhat?what kind of logic is that?
-he's happy to talk to an atheist,therefore he doesnt like talking to christians or muslims"
i mean,really?lol.
cromaticas 3 months ago
@wordyeaux I don't think he goes out to do that, but the most popular clips get up on the web, the most popular are of idiots and no one suffers fools gladly.
salamut2202 3 months ago
...what the fuck is going on in this comments thread? Usually, it's a different kind of idiot here.
IoEstasCedonta 3 months ago
This was seriously pointless.
fl260 3 months ago 4
I love how every Youtube video of basically any genre ends up with people arguing about race, gender, religion, discrimination, or how LeBron James traveled.
letdreamsbedreams21 4 months ago
As an atheist, I was wondering: Where does the "date" of 2011 comes from and why did it start?
poliv67 4 months ago
A democracy is relative when there is good and bad people; sucks if democracy is held by the worst kinds of people and great when in the hands of benevolent people.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent In a Democracy People can & are encouraged to express their Discontent. Dictatorships suppress People's right to express Discontent. It appears You need to read about History & understand how Dictatorships have ruined countries & how Democracy has helped countries. Yes some Democracies have failed & were controlled by greedy opportunists. However Democracy gives a society a better opportunity to succeed than a Dictatorship.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all Oh, Democracy has its downs too because the bad ones too lack what Tyranny of dictatorship lack; Reason and Empathy. We are breathing life to concepts that can be twisted to terrible means.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent I never claimed Democracy is perfect.
I claimed it is a better form of government than a dictatorship.
Democracy offers People a voice in government.
Dictatorships DON'T !
Is this too difficult for You to understand ?
If You have a form of government which will serve the world better than any form presently known.
Then, PLEASE enlighten all of us about it.
You need to stop whining & start offering solutions !
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all I am not whining. You are whining and being condescending and you dismiss the points that im trying to say which is clever in your part to garner attention with your rhetorics.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent All You do is complain about government & make excuses for not helping poor pregnant women.
It's time for You to put up or shut up !
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all There must be a balance between dictatorship and democracy because the needs and reasons will not be able to go hand in hand well when a government is ruled though the extreme ends of the paths. May i know why are you so frustrated and confrontational all the time? Or are you, again, actually troll who tries to garner more likes?
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent There needs to be balance in government & government should try to address the needs of people. Dictatorships are only concerned with their needs. The only person frustrated is YOU. Stop complaining about government & the needs of poor pregnant women & DO SOMETHING about it. STOP making pathetic excuses for your unwillingness to help people who need help. You're also condescending to people in need by only offering Lip Service instead of actually helping them.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
i dont mean to judge, but it is with that kind of attitude that actually really discourage better solutions and instead derogate it to the point that any idea of beneficial change becomes neutered like a stray dog. Back to square one. And yes; i will insult you. You are a Troll. Im sorry, but it seems that way -_-
itestudent 4 months ago
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tranquility4all 4 months ago
@itestudent Your ASSertion that I discourage better solutions is ludicrous. I asked You to present a better form of government & You haven't. You're not a troll. You're a spoiled brat who only complains & doesn't offer or do anything to help. You offer Lip Service to people in need & then make pathetic excuses for Your unwillingness to help. I suggest You stop passing judgement on me & actually do something to help others instead of just offering Lip Service & making excuses for Yourself.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all Again, aggressive, condescending, speaking in rhetorics that offers only problems to an only detrimental state. Stop being so antagonistic and for once THINK about what i am trying to say. And the fact your insulting me with such fervor i assume you are only venting out what was obviously your frustrations and not helping discuss and re-assess what can be done and what should be mediated. What ever insults you throw mirrors your current pattern of communication right now.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent I have not offered problems. You have only whined & offered Lip Service. I told You several times to STOP WHINING & making Pathetic excuses for Your unwillingness to help people in need. I never ASSumed You did anything wrong. You have done nothing but complain & offer Lip Service. You also ASSert Dictatorships are necessary. NEWS FLASH, Dictatorships suppress the voice of People. I actually HELP People by working with charitable organizations. You only complain & offer Lip Service.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all if there is anything i am complaining, it is your attitude. I actually help people and the 'lip' services i provide is not lies or accentuating hypocrisy; it is facts and truths i present yet people, like you prefers to ignore and learn the bitter truths for yourselves.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent What I'm complaining about is Your ignorance about the role of government. Your continuation of offering Lip service & Your pathetic excuses for not helping others only confirms Your unwillingness to help people in need. You also continue to ASSert I'm angry & condescending. I'm challenging You to stop whining & making excuses. Time for You to do something. I don't need You to tell me what is required for societies to improve.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all Democracy and Dictatorship ruled by Reason and Empathy are extremely neccessary to co-exist and maintain balance or else it will fail badly and can become either communism or a regime.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent Obviously You have a MENTAL BLOCK. For the 4th. time. I already told You Democracy isn't perfect. Dictatorship is not a form of Government. You can find fault with any form of government. However, I prefer a government which promotes participation. Dictatorships DON'T ! Any form of Government (socialism, democracy, communism, monarchy etc.) will fail when it's controlled by opportunists who only care about their interests.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all your leading this 'argument' to another redundant matter. And clearly you also dont get what i mean; i only see ranting. Or something to vent your frustration out. Do you know what condescending means? Do you know what im trying to point out? Are you really for real that your going this to a whole loop? That is why you are a unfortunately a Trol and a provoker with your foremost insults and rhetorics; Insult and Rhetoric.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent I know what You're attempting to point out. However all You're doing is offering Lip Service & insulting people who are desperately in need of help. You also don't understand the role of Government. As I stated earlier You're nothing more than a spoiled little brat who only offers Lip service & complains. Obviously You're too STUPID to understand ACTIONS speak louder than words. Unfortunately You're all talk & no action ! Get Lost PUNK !!!
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all how would you know im that kind of person? You too are offering lip service, what irony that you who is so antagonistic describes very thing you are all about. I dont get why are you so angry. Thats why i suspect you are a troll, and a flamer and you speak in WIT/WITTY; as in, in RHETORIC. What are you implying is nothing more than stagnation. Which country do you live in? Sincere question; no insult.
yes, i No not know about government, but i understand it, to the point of it.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent I'm offering Lip service ? You do need to take a course in remedial rereading. In my previous posts I told You I do charitable work. What the hell have You been doing other than complaining & offering Lip service ? I also told You in previous posts that I reside in the U.S.A. LEARN HOW TO READ !!!
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@itestudent your next reply will be the final thing i see and then i wont comment anymore, because the topic at previous hand was only about abortion. Theres a reason people like you were silenced.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent Abortion is a Legal Medical Service in the U.S.A. Nobody has silenced me. Here in the U.S.A. We have Freedom of Speech. Control Freaks like You want People to live their lives according to Your ideology. I don't know what country You live in. However I suggest You download a copy of the U.S. Constitution. It guarantees Equal Protection for all. We don't need a dictatorship. Start educating Yourself & STOP offering Lip service & making pathetic excuses for yourself ! GOODBYE !!!
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all Good, your sounding less of a Troll now. At least you are just a judgemental dude/gal.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent Read Your previous comment carefully. You wrote You WON'T comment anymore. Now You're offering Lip Service to Yourself. Not only are You an uninformed person who only offers Lip service & makes pathetic excuses for Your unwillingness to help others. You can't even remember Your previous comments. Pay careful attention to what You write & maybe You will avoid making a FOOL of Yourself.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
Greedy opportunists is one thing; Ignorance and misunderstanding is what really tears the governing body of any nation apart and fuels radicalism. And again, you are condescending, which ironically makes you the unspoken self-proclaimed 'moral' arbiter; but ignorance really fuels your aggression the most since you are hellbent in ridiculing rather than through a calm and straight conversation.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent You should not be concerned with other people may think of You if You try to help others. I volunteer my time to charitable causes & I don't care what other people may think of me. You only talk about helping others. I actually help others. For You to ASSert that I'm condescending & a self proclaimed moral arbiter only reveals Your Ignorance. I'm not insulting You. However You're an ASS HOLE who only talks & doesn't do anything but complain.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@tranquility4all presumption to know me is a bitter and low blow to someone like me who does not agitate a fellow dude. And you are condescending for assuming i have 'wrongs' against the world; i am only acertain that there are some things that must be imperative to preventing decay and entropy in an ever-increasing hungry society.
itestudent 4 months ago
@itestudent The only thing You promote is empathy. SO WHAT ? Many People are emphatic. Try offering real solutions. You suggest Dictatorships may be necessary. GET REAL ! Any form of Government which suppresses the voice & will of its' constituents does not benefit a society. You also ASSert because I don't agree with You that I'm condescending & angry. NEWS FLASH, Dissent doesn't mean a person is condescending nor angry. It confirms they don't agree with You.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
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only HWAT?
PirateMonkeyFilmz 4 months ago
Admitting you don't know is a great virtue.
retrogamerist 5 months ago
@ 1tabligh Easy, no space means no laws, meaning matter can create itself.
retrogamerist 5 months ago
@retrogamerist Use the reply button instead!
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1tabligh 5 months ago
Deists are more rational, but still are sort of silly. Chance, unlikely for a universe to form, but still happened. Lets not jump to conclusions.
retrogamerist 5 months ago
it became somewhat understood; since all these phenomena are [but] forms of one reality, namely, energy.
Then how can the duped atheists *delude* themselve and believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 5 months ago
proving faith is an oxymoron
3dimensionalJoe 5 months ago
It's depressing to me that in this day and age that we're still arguing about the existence of an imaginary god. So, for all the believers out there, here's the short version:
1) There is no god. There's also no heaven or hell.
2) There is no 'master plan' or mysterious goal or hidden purpose to the universe. What you see is what you get.
3) The bible is an interesting tale, but that's about it. Do not take it literally.
Let's move on, shall we?
mikefromwa 6 months ago
@mikefromwa Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "Then how can the atheists and some of the scientists delude themselve and *believe* that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves"
Are you actually trying to say that because not everything in the entire universe is known, that the answer MUST be that "god" did it? Is that what you're claiming? Seriously?
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *unknowing and unperceiving *, is his creator and that of all beings?
No?
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude..."
I don't claim to know what scientists conclude. I do, however, claim to know that there is *zero* evidence for any "god" or supernatural deity who might take credit for it.
Again, just because something isn't known DOESN'T mean the "god did it!" is the answer. You might as well say, "Leprechauns did it!". Or Anubis. Or Allah. Or Thor, or Odin, etc etc etc.
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa Then how could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "Then how could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim..."
How could you permit yourself to come up with the improbable claim that "god did it"?
Unlike you, scientists don't claim to know everything. But it's pretty obvious that it wasn't the result of a magical being. Is that really your contention? If something isn't known, then "god" must have done it? That's a pretty ridiculous position to take. Why not attribute it to leprechauns?
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mike... What is called science by the *science-worshippers* of the present age and regarded by them as equivalent to the sum total of *reality*, is simply a collection of laws applicable to a single dimension of the world. The result of all human effort and experimentation is a body of knowledge concerning a minute bright dot comparable to the dim light of a candle-surrounded by a dark night enveloping a huge desert of indefinite extent.
All praise is due to ALLAH, the Lord of the Universe.
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: Science has been called a "collection of successful recipes". In other words, science *works*, unlike praying to a repulsive little pedophile like Mohammed, or to your imaginary "allah".
You pray, I'll use science, and we'll see which of us actually gets results first. :) 0 /_\ <-- look, a picture of mohammed! :)
_/\_
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa
Answer the questions!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
So much science for this stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!"
Yes, you are. Is that because you don't have a shred of evidence to support your position, or because you're afraid to admit it?
"So much science for this stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!"
I'll take science over your imaginary telepathic sky-daddy any day. :)
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa The atheist Delusion!
In his equation, Einstein says that energy is equal to the mass of muter times the velocity of light squared (E = mc2 where E is energy, m mass, and c velocity of light). The velocity of light is equal to 186,282 miles per second. Also, the mass is equal to the energy divided by the velocity of light squared (m= E/c2).
With this, it became established that the atom with its protons and electrons is nothing in reality but concentrated energy ....
1tabligh 5 months ago
that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather, ...
1tabligh 5 months ago
that can be analyzed and reduced to its primordial state. Thus, according to the modern analysis, energy is the substratum of the world. It is manifested in various shapes and in numerous forms, whether sonic, magnetic, electrical, chemical or mechanical.
In light of this, the duality between matter and radiation, between particles and waves, and between the appearance of electrons sometimes as matter and some other times as light was no longer strange. Rather,
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: Thanks for babbling about discoveries by *real* scientists- the same scientists whose discoveries the church has tried to suppress for 2000 years. Unfortunately, none of it has ever provided even the slightest shred of proof for your imaginary god.
Face it- your "god" is not real, okay? It's all nothing more than a load of nonsensical fairy tales, written by a bunch of desert-dwelling goat herders who thought the Earth was flat.
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa Earth was flat.
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Where did you pull that from?
Was it from your .....?
Orbits
Today, the laws governing the celestial systems are well known. Galaxies are balanced by the position of stars and planets in well-defined orbits, as well as the interplay of gravitational forces produced by their masses and the speed of their movements. But is this not what the Qur’an describes in terms which have only become comprehensible in modern times.
1tabligh 5 months ago
In chapter al-Ambiyaa we find:
“(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion.” Qur’an,21:33The Arabic word which expresses this movement is the verb yasbahoon which implies the idea of motion produced by a moving body, whether it is the movement of one’s legs running on the ground, or the action of swimming in water. In the case of a celestial body, one is forced to translate it, according to its original meaning,
1tabligh 5 months ago
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In chapter al-Ambiyaa we find:
“(God is) the one who created the night, the day, the sun and the moon. Each one is traveling in an orbit with its own motion.” Qur’an,21:33The Arabic word which expresses this movement is the verb yasbahoon which implies the idea of motion produced by a moving body, whether it is the movement of one’s legs running on the ground, or the action of swimming in water. In the case of a celestial body, one is forced to translate it, according to its original meaning,
1tabligh 5 months ago
as ‘to travel with its own motion.’
The Day and Night
The Qur’anic description of the sequence of day and night would, in itself, be rather commonplace were it not for the fact that it is expressed in terms that are today highly appropriate. The Qur’an uses the verb kawwara in chapter az-Zumar to describe the way the night ‘winds’ or ‘coils’ itself around the day and the day around the night.
“He coils the night upon the day and the day upon the night.” Qur’an, 39:5
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "The Qur’an uses the verb kawwara in chapter az-Zumar to describe the way the night ‘winds’ or ‘coils’ itself around the day and the day around the night."
Lol, what a masterfully interpretive load of crap. :)
mikefromwa 5 months ago
The original meaning of the verb kis to coil a turban around the head. This is a totally valid comparison; yet at the time the Qur’an was revealed, the astronomical data necessary to make this comparison were unknown. It is not until man landed on the moon and observed the earth spinning on its axis, that the dark half of the globe appeared to wind itself around the light and the light half appeared to wind itself around the dark.
The Solar Apex
The notion of a settled place for the sun
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "This is a totally valid comparison"
Only if you're dranged, or trying to twist the meaning to suit the facts. :)
Give it up, you're not fooling anyone.
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa Use the reply button instead!
How can it be supposed that belief in the existence of God is the acceptance of contradiction, whereas belief in the uncaused nature of an effect such as matter is not contradictory?
How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "How could it be believed that matter should itself be the origin of millions of attributes and characteristics and thus be the equivalent of the purposeful, wise and all-knowing Creator?"
No one is saying the matter is the "equivalent" of an "all-knowing Creator". Where would you even get this idea from?
But because you don't know the answer to something, is it sensible to postulate an invisible all-powerful creator just to fill in the gaps in your knowledge? That's ridiculous.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Is it at all feasible to regard all the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe as the outcome of matter in its ignorance?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: It's not a matter of "ignorance".
All the geometry, functioning and movement of the universe is the way it is because this is the way the laws of physics work. Matter doesn't need any inherent intelligence to behave the way it does.
Or are you saying that 'god' deliberately set the speed of light to be 299,792,458 m/s?
Did 'god' decide that Plank's Constant would be 6.626068 × 10-34 m2 kg / s?
No. Those values are the natural values for those things. No 'god' required.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation..."
Nope. That assumes facts not in evidence.
That would be like saying "scientists don't believe in god because they're smarter". It may or may not be true.
The laws of nature are just the way things interact, there's no magical intelligent force that's making everything happen.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@1tabligh: You believe that this entire universe was made just for us. That's like a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, 'This is an interesting world I find myself in - an interesting hole I find myself in - fits me rather neatly, doesn't it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!'
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa How could some of the scientists permit themselves to make a claim that would necessitate knowledge as extensive as the scheme of the universe, when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero, when confronted with a whole mass of unknowns concerning this very earth and tangible, lifeless matter, let alone the whole universe?
1tabligh 4 months ago
Is it not more logical to posit the existence of intelligence, will and planning in the creation of and ordering of the world than to attribute creativity to matter which lacks intelligence, thought, consciousness and the power to innovate?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: No, it's not. There is no reason to think that it was done or directed by any intelligent supernatural force.
Why do you feel the need to attribute everything to something which there is no proof for?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@1tabligh: No, it's not. There is no reason to think that it was done or directed by any intelligent supernatural force.
Why do you feel the need to attribute everything to something which there is no proof for?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Is it logical to say that belief in God is peculiar to those who know nothing about man's composition and creation, and that, by contrast, a scientist who is aware of the natural laws and factors responsible for man's growth and development, who knows that law and precise calculation preside over all stages of man's existence, is bound to believe that matter, lacking all perception and consciousness, is the source of the wondrous laws of nature?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Should the scientist, who is aware of the natural causes and of the factors determining each step of creation towards perfection, of mankind's evolution, of the minute accuracy and exactitude that rules every change in the nature that surrounds us, come to believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Should the scientist ... believe that these wondrous laws and amazing interactions have somehow *fortuitously* emerged out of *mindless* matter?"
Yes.
Should scientist really assume that there is an invisible, telepathic super-being who's responsible for everything?
The universe is the way it is because its present form is where things came to settle out, or balance, according to the laws of physics here. There's no reason to believe that any mystical being created the universe.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Do scientific discoveries and knowledge cause such a scientist to conclude that matter, *** unknowing and unperceiving ***, is his creator and that of all beings?
1tabligh 4 months ago
is vividly described in chapter Yaa Seen of the Qur’an:
"The sun runs its coarse to a settled place That is the decree of the Almighty, the All Knowing.” Qur’an, 36:38
“Settled place” is the translation of the word mustaqarr which indicates an exact appointed place and time. Modern astronomy confirms that the solar system is indeed moving in space at a rate of 12 miles per second towards a point situated in the constellation of Hercules ( alpha lyrae )
1tabligh 5 months ago
whose exact location has been precisely calculated. Astronomers have even give it a name, the solar apex.
1tabligh 5 months ago
@1tabligh: "... and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!"
Right...and if someone can't answer ALL the questions, that automagically means the the answer is 'god'?
Are you serious? That's just another way of justifying your ignorance. And that's nothing to be proud of. :)
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Don't waste Your time & effort on 1tabligh. She/he is an Irrational Islamic Fundamentalist who deludes her/himself into believing in the existence of a god without evidence while attempting to mock Scientific Theories which are supported with evidence & continual testing.
tranquility4all 5 months ago
@tranquility4all: "She/he is an Irrational Islamic Fundamentalist who deludes her/himself into believing in the existence of a god"
Yep, I'd gathered that much from his/her replies. No amount of proof is good enough for people like 1tabligh- they're so firmly entrenched in their delusion that there is no room for any doubt. It's creepy. He or she would gladly put us all to the sword for daring to not believe.
mikefromwa 5 months ago
@mikefromwa Unfortunately there are many theists who will resort to trying to scare people into believing in their deity. The age old threat of eternal damnation has frightened many children into believing in the existence of a deity.
tranquility4all 5 months ago
@mikefromwa If childhood indoctrination was criminalized, All religions with the possible exception of Buddhism would die a swift death.
tranquility4all 5 months ago 3
@tranquility4all I certainly hope child indoctrination will be criminalized.
NormacHC 4 months ago
@NormacHC You can Hope, Just don't pray for Child Indoctrination to be criminalized.
tranquility4all 4 months ago
@1tabligh: I don't know. Why don't you ask some scientists and see what they say? I don't claim to speak for every (or even any) scientist.
"when their knowledge of the total scheme of being is *close* to zero"
So because we don't know everything, we should postulate a super-being as an answer? I don't think so.
If so, could this super-being actually be a leprechaun? Why not?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Belief in the existence of a wise creator is without doubt more logical than faith in the creativity of matter, which has neither perception, consciousness, nor the ability to plan; we cannot attribute to matter all the properties and attributes of intelligence that we see in the world and the ordering will that it displays.
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: You're wrong on both counts. There is no need for matter to be "intelligent" OR any need for there to be a mysterious "guiding hand" to make everything work the way it does. It's not an "either or" kind of thing.
You're stuck on thinking that there must be *something* that makes it all go, some special intelligent force behind everything. There isn't.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth could claim today that while a kidney transplant is the result of centuries of continuous scientific research and experimentation, the structure of the kidney itself reveals no trace of a creative intelligence and will, being the product of mere nature—nature which has no more knowledge or awareness than a kindergarten pupil?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "What realistic scientist, sincerely given to seeking the truth..."
Any realistic scientist. NO realistic scientist would claim that the structure of the kidney reveals some intelligent designer, which is what you've been dancing around the whole time.
When you roll a group of dice and they all come up sixes, does that mean there's some intelligent force guiding them?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefr..God and Empirical Logic.
Matter or God?
Take your choice!
Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent and imagine that it has itself gained this freedom and elaborated the laws that rule over it.
But how can they believe that hydrogen and oxygen, electrons and protons, should first produce themselves, then be the source for all other beings, and finally decree the laws that regulate themselves and the rest of the material world?
Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Matter or God? Take your choice!"
What if there's a third choice? Who says those are the only valid choices?
"Some brainless atheists regard matter as independent"
Some brainless believers regard 'god' as the answer to anything they don't know.
"Pseudo-Scientific Demagoguery!"
Is that anything like 'Pseudo-Religious Demagoguery'?
I'll ask you again: When you roll a group of dice and they all come up sixes, does that mean there's some intelligent force guiding them?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
God and Empirical Logic.
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects without troubling to ascertain whether the higher, in fact, exists at the level of the lower. If lowly matter is unable even at the highest stage of its development, namely thought and reflection—
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Materialism imagines that lowly objects are the source for the emergence of higher objects..."
See, now you're just babbling. Try and focus.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
either to create itself or to violate any of the laws that rule over it, it follows ineluctably that it is unable to create other beings and the laws regulating them. How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "How, then, can it be believed that lowly matter should engage in the creation and origination of higher beings or have the power to bestow existence on lofty phenomena?"
Again, you're making the argument that matter itself is somehow intelligent and responsible for directing its own actions. It's not, and neither is there some invisible magic being who is making the universe run.
You're not even close to making a cogent argument.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
1tabligh 4 months ago
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@1tabligh: "But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them."
Oh, I get it- learning, logic, and reason *corrupt* man's brain so he can no longer understand things.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
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@mikefromwa Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
1tabligh 4 months ago
@mikefro..Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions. But after entering the sphere of science and philosophy and filling his *brain* with various proofs and deductions, he may forget his natural and innate perceptions or begin to doubt them. It is for this reason that when man moves beyond his innate nature to delineate a belief, differences begin to appear.
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Before he enters the realm of science and knowledge with all its concerns, man is able to perceive certain truths by means of these innate perceptions."
That's your opinion, and you're welcome to it. But it's not a fact. Do you understand the difference?
You're welcome to your own opinions...you're not welcome to your own facts.
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa Answer the question!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Materialism looks at the world with one eye *closed* and, as a result, is unable to answer numerous questions!
Deluded atheist looks at the world with BOTH eyes *closed* and, as a result, are unable to answer ALL the questions!
Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Is that which is necessary in essence and which is considered the first source of existence matter itself or something else beyond the limits of matter?"
I don't know...maybe we should incubate the dynamic information matrix and project some impactful entity-relationships in a way that would clarify the horizontal metadata.
What do you think? Answer the question!
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefr...We can raise precisely the same objection against the atheists and ask them, "If we follow the chain of causality back, we will ultimately reach the primary cause. Let us say that cause is not God, but matter. Tell us who created primary matter. You who believe in the law of causality, answer us Ws: if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?
You say that the source of all phenomena is matter-energy; what is the cause and origin of matter-energy?"
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Tell us who created primary matter."
Tell us who created god.
"if matter is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of matter?"
If god is the ultimate cause of all things, what is the cause of god?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa I don't know...
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You don't know? Then why the hell are you quibbling in vain for? What you think, you got the brain for? Eating bananas and thinking about your so called monkey ancestors? Oh, grow up! Use you brain OR ask those who know instead of your quibbling in vain, O' Brainless cuckoo atheists with asinine mind!
Give answer otherwise CLOCK OFF!
NO WASTING TIME!
The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!!!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Brainless cuckoo atheists with asinine mind!"
Brainless cuckoo believers with asinine mind! :)
"Give answer otherwise CLOCK OFF!"
How 'bout you take your own advice and answer the questions you've been asked? Or is that too difficult for you?
"The chain of causality cannot recede into infinity!!!"
What's your point? That 'god' did it? :)
mikefromwa 4 months ago
"Do they imagine that they've been created without any cause, or do they suppose that they are their own creators?" The Quran (52:36) "Have they created the heavens and the earth ? They have no certain belief in what they say" (52:37) Do they have a Lord other than God? No, it is not so; God is exalted above the partners they ascribe to him." (52:43) "Glorified be He in Whose hand is all sovereignty and Who has power over all things." (67:1)
1tabligh 4 months ago
Since the chain of causality cannot recede into infinity, they can answer only that matter is an eternal and timeless entity for which no beginning can be posited: matter is non-created, has no beginning or end, and its being arises from within its own nature. This means that the materialists accept the principle of eternity and non-origination; they believe that all things arose out of eternal matter and that being arises from within the very nature of matter, without any need for a creator.
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh" This means that the materialists accept the principle...blah blah blah"
Is this a long story? Does it have a plot, a point, or an end?
The fact is that your god is imaginary. Get over it and start acting and thinking like an adult. None of us care about your fairy tales of an invisible super-buddy in the sky. It's all horsecrap. I've seen comic books that were more believable than the bible. :)
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa believable than the bible. :)
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And where did you pull that from?
I am not a Christian!
I am a Shiite Muslim!
READ MY COMMENTS WITH YOUR INTELLECT AND ABSOLUTELY NOT WITH YOUR WANNABE MONKEY EMOTIONS!
Talk to me like a scientist!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "I am a Shiite Muslim!"
Hey, I can't help it if you worship a pedophile. Why is that my fault? Just because Mohammed liked to rape pre-teen girls is no reason to get all pissy with me.
Besides, a lot of people claim Mohammed was bisexual and dug little boys too. So at least he was even-handed, right? That's a good quality to have in a prophet, don't you think?
"Talk to me like a scientist!"
Okay, but who's going to read you the big words?
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa what is the cause of god?
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His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence.
The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him; and that god, if he is preceded by non-existence, would need another god and so on. Thus, we would have an endless chain of gods without reaching a **causeless cause** to be the source of the existence of the universe.
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "His Existence is not coming into Being from non-existence."
In other words, you're shooting in the dark and you have no idea. :)
"The Creator of the universe cannot be preceded by non-existence; otherwise, He would need another god to create Him"
Looks like you've disproved god pretty well there. Was that your intent, or did you just step in it big-time? :)
mikefromwa 4 months ago
@mikefromwa ...blah blah blah"..comic books ..
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The argument of an IGNORANT!
So much science for this stupid brainless pseudo-Scientific Demagogue!
Hiding your ignorance and arrogance under your stupid pretext of "you an asshole."!
Dodging ALL the questions and quibbling in vain!
Is science too heavy for you to comprehend?
Ever heard "Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference."?
1tabligh 4 months ago
You still don't get it, do you?
I have already in my inbox more then 11464 replies from wannabes monkeys, teachers, profs, scientists etc!
What makes you think, you are a special duped wannabe monkey?
No wasting time!
Talk science and answer the questions otherwise clock off!
Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!
1tabligh 4 months ago
@1tabligh: "Stupid brainless cuckoo atheist with asinine mind!"
Is this that good ol' christian love I keep hearing about?
Frankly, you sound kind of tense. Is it that time of the month for you? Maybe you should switch to decaf and look into taking some anger management courses or something.
mikefromwa 4 months ago