i hope you don't like the north korean system and just wanted to show us the symbols... otherwise you wouldn`t be a real socialist or communist. same goes for china, etc
@gurkenhamster first off, that is mere informational video, but the diversity and differences of the many "communist" states make it necessarily impossible t o like them all the same. nonetheless I believe that at least parts of the people you mentionted are genuinely communist and they need solidaric critisism rather than bluntlely telling them what they are not. as china concered the way the turn now, although reactionary, is more in line with marx teachings
@tiberiusngc224 : You're right with showing us the symbols and i didn't mean to offend you. if i did, sorry :)
But dude, china isn't communist at all. They're just capitalist, exploiding the working class, they don't have any power there. the only differende between other capitalist states is, that china is also opressive, people can't have an opinion. Or did i again missunderstand you? I think, the country, that moves towar a modern socialism is venezuela
@gurkenhamster I was not offended but thnx for considering it :) . I agree with you about venezuela being on the right way. they are a bit religious for my taste but I sure wish them to succeed.
Well, china, i know what you mean and I know some chinese personaly and can detect nothing communist about them,but the country had the chance to crumble like the soviet union or turn into kind of a social capitalism with keeping an longterm communist option and i prefer the later. see nxt comment ;-)
@tiberiusngc224 2.) one must keep in mind that china didnt go the postulated way, that is from feudalism-> capitalism-> socialism but quite straight to from feudalism to socialism. thereby they left out the very stage that generates the ressources and wealth which is needed to develop to the next stage. so they reverted to a kind of social state capitalism and i think we shouldnt be too unfair. china has achieved for its citizens more than with any other system. not enough, yet .. I know
yeah, i don't think they are. it's just like what happened so often: people go on the throne although they should've burnt it down. And they are not social. The only difference between other capitalist countries (like Germany) is, that they forbid they're people to speak out what they think, they forbid them everything. They want to get bigger and bigger on the world stage and don't care for their people or the environment. Bur they pretend to be communist, so people hate communism now.
@gurkenhamster well, that they are at the moment needs certainly to be improved but i guess i m more optimistic about their future then. on the website of the ccp one can read their political agenda and reports on their situation and they are not delusional about the situation. and i'm sure or at least i hope they are progressing. but thats just my opinion.
@GrutarOk it's less idealist than the idea of good capitalism. but still we have capitalism. so if people can accept capitalism which is far more utopic, they can embrace communism one day, too. matter of time
@GrutarOk true, they hadn't but that's why it's in the category of "communist" perversions. and the self-declared nazi bolshevists of today use it. just as they use "hail" but not in a reference to ancient times but in a reference to hitlers nazi salut. which is what needs to be shown in order to warn people of them.
Let me just remember you that the swastika is a very old symbol. Even the bolsheviks used it at the beggining of Revolution(you can find proofs of that typing "Soviet swastika" at Google), however they abandoned such symbol, perhaps due to the arise of nazi party in Germany.
Actually, the nazi copied lots of things from the Soviets, even Hitler assumes it in a few speeches, that's called "marketing". Modern capitalist marketing also copies Soviet propaganda style.
Excelent video, but NBP is not racist. They have Jews and and a black leader in Latvia, Benes Aylo, he is even considered a hero by the party due to his famine strike in a Russian prison. It's leader is bissexual, Limonov, he has a book where he describes some sexual intercourse with a man in America.
The problem of NBP is that some of its members are dumb and chovinist, so they try to mix fascism and communism, despite that fascists hate them and demonize them.
You completely lack of history knowledge. Communism is NOT alien to Slavs and Eurpeans, it was actually the first Production Model of humanity. The old Russian "vetcher" and the "mir" are excelent examples of primitive communism in Russia, so your whole post does not make sense.
Of course, you had to be an "orange Ukrainian" to write such foolishness.
@SovietLenin1 yes, but national socialism is actually a misnomer, since both terms are completly contradictory to each other. however, the nazis used it to fool the workers. as a matter of fact, many german capitalists after the war were more rich than before.
Today exist small factions of fascists, that call themselves national bolshewists, though. but their ideas are entirely fascist and you can see it just by looking at their symbols, which they make look similar to nazi symbols.
It's just a matter of marketing, today in many countries, this or that politician claims to be a "people's politician", when he actually works to the landlords and capitalists. Why? Simply because if he says "I work to the burgueoise class", nobody will vote for him.
Nazi were just smart, once communism and socialism was really popular, they claimed to be "the true socialists" to fool the masses and the people, and "national" because they "were not Jews".
@SovietLenin1 Nazi is not socialism Economically and Socially is far right on the spectrum focusing on inequality and free market. The only Similar thing between Fascism and Communism is the Dictatorial rule. Solve your question lol?
@Canadian789119 True that, but let me add that in theory the dictatorial rule in Marxist societies is supposed to last only during a transitional phase (i.e. socialism) and follow some democratic rules until a society free of such rule (i.e. communism) is achieved.
Also the dictatorial rule in socialism is to be exercised by the working class, which at Marx' times the vast majority of the people belonged to, as opposed to the dictatorial rule of single leaders for ever in a nazi society.
@tiberiusngc224 Oh I am well aware of that. But lets be honest I don't know how easily achievable that would be. It is a perfect society in theory but people arn't perfect so it may not work out or at least any time soon
@Canadian789119 I didn't mean to imply you wouldn't know it, but others reading this might not, so I just added this.^^
And of course, power is easily abused, especially when a society has just lived through terrible times and people are stamped by old habits and experiences making it hard or even impossible for them to embark on a journey towards something better.
@SpielekommentareDE errr ... do your history books happen to end in 1933, coincidentially ???? I'd really like to see ya, tellin' this the nazis or their victims for that matter. regardless, it symbolizes the sun ..
@SovietLenin1 yes, I did. You find it or variants of svastika all other the world. these symbols date back very early. that said, western people who see it today and think firstly of luck or such are either nazis or idiots.
@DjHyperblaze ... agreed. but this part of the video shows slogans from nationalbolshevists and nazis (both are effectivly the same kind but the former pretend to be communists). if one thinks his race or nation is superior to others he can't be a communist.
@MAquaJJ ... its taken from the ones youtube offers ... you can search all songs with the same lenght ... try the "instrumental" category first ... If I remember it, I'll post here :)
@TheIZI6 I know this is late, but I was born in Leningrad, and I know you like Communism. But, I apologies on the behalf of all the Soviet people for the repression and violent suppression the Government put on your country during the Stalinist era and before de-Stalinization.
@TheIZI6 Well Tito was known for being the guy who single handedly Drove out the Nazis from Yugoslavia and create a Socialist State which, unlike Stalin's state, actually worked and made himself into the leader, who unlike Stalin that needed the threat of being thrown in the Gulag to get people to love him, actually did shit to make people love him. Tito FTW
Lunatics? The teabaggers as you put it are diametrically opposed to progressives. Progressives progress to two leanings. The conservative progressive is progressing towards fascism. The liberal progressive is progressing to communism. Please research the progressive movement. Hitler = Fascist Lennon = Communist
"Teabagger" = Libertarian (minor govt more freedom) then you have anarchists (No government) Which are you?
@marcelthemaoist You would be surprised then. Facism is a political ideology while communism is an economic ideology. Facists denounce a hierarchy in society. They also denounce Marxism because it is only for the benefit of the proletariat. These are not my beliefs, these are facts that I have found with some simple research.
@WillisL94 "Facists denounce a hierarchy in society. "
Completely false, fascism by it's definition is the hierarchy of extremes, and survival of the fittest. I've been a communist for 9 years and anti-fascist activist for 7 years.
You're wrong on East Germany, it's not wheat, it's rye.
michaelwuzthere 3 months ago
i hope you don't like the north korean system and just wanted to show us the symbols... otherwise you wouldn`t be a real socialist or communist. same goes for china, etc
gurkenhamster 5 months ago
@gurkenhamster first off, that is mere informational video, but the diversity and differences of the many "communist" states make it necessarily impossible t o like them all the same. nonetheless I believe that at least parts of the people you mentionted are genuinely communist and they need solidaric critisism rather than bluntlely telling them what they are not. as china concered the way the turn now, although reactionary, is more in line with marx teachings
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
@tiberiusngc224 : You're right with showing us the symbols and i didn't mean to offend you. if i did, sorry :)
But dude, china isn't communist at all. They're just capitalist, exploiding the working class, they don't have any power there. the only differende between other capitalist states is, that china is also opressive, people can't have an opinion. Or did i again missunderstand you? I think, the country, that moves towar a modern socialism is venezuela
gurkenhamster 5 months ago
@gurkenhamster I was not offended but thnx for considering it :) . I agree with you about venezuela being on the right way. they are a bit religious for my taste but I sure wish them to succeed.
Well, china, i know what you mean and I know some chinese personaly and can detect nothing communist about them,but the country had the chance to crumble like the soviet union or turn into kind of a social capitalism with keeping an longterm communist option and i prefer the later. see nxt comment ;-)
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
@tiberiusngc224 2.) one must keep in mind that china didnt go the postulated way, that is from feudalism-> capitalism-> socialism but quite straight to from feudalism to socialism. thereby they left out the very stage that generates the ressources and wealth which is needed to develop to the next stage. so they reverted to a kind of social state capitalism and i think we shouldnt be too unfair. china has achieved for its citizens more than with any other system. not enough, yet .. I know
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
yeah, i don't think they are. it's just like what happened so often: people go on the throne although they should've burnt it down. And they are not social. The only difference between other capitalist countries (like Germany) is, that they forbid they're people to speak out what they think, they forbid them everything. They want to get bigger and bigger on the world stage and don't care for their people or the environment. Bur they pretend to be communist, so people hate communism now.
gurkenhamster 5 months ago
@gurkenhamster well, that they are at the moment needs certainly to be improved but i guess i m more optimistic about their future then. on the website of the ccp one can read their political agenda and reports on their situation and they are not delusional about the situation. and i'm sure or at least i hope they are progressing. but thats just my opinion.
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
gracias comrade. im a Mexican Communist and this cleared up some ideas of mine.
DawkWolf 5 months ago
@DawkWolf you're welcome my comrade. hasta la vicoria siempre :)
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
Communism great, but unreal idea))) It never be a communism or socialism, just a parody. Ppl too corrupt))))
GrutarOk 7 months ago
@GrutarOk it's less idealist than the idea of good capitalism. but still we have capitalism. so if people can accept capitalism which is far more utopic, they can embrace communism one day, too. matter of time
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
WFT last sec?
USSR Flag never have a white circle - fake..
It was red background with yellow hammer and sickle at the top left corner.
About "great" and "hail" ... u forgot Great Britain and Hail Queen or Hail King...)))
lol)))
GrutarOk 7 months ago
@GrutarOk true, they hadn't but that's why it's in the category of "communist" perversions. and the self-declared nazi bolshevists of today use it. just as they use "hail" but not in a reference to ancient times but in a reference to hitlers nazi salut. which is what needs to be shown in order to warn people of them.
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
Aww, where are the dutch symbols?
zinnoy 7 months ago
@zinnoy sorry, but theres soooo many i'd like to have included but couldn't
tiberiusngc224 5 months ago
MOTHER RUSSIA!
Soviet pride!
AtheismCentral 9 months ago 3
Let me just remember you that the swastika is a very old symbol. Even the bolsheviks used it at the beggining of Revolution(you can find proofs of that typing "Soviet swastika" at Google), however they abandoned such symbol, perhaps due to the arise of nazi party in Germany.
Actually, the nazi copied lots of things from the Soviets, even Hitler assumes it in a few speeches, that's called "marketing". Modern capitalist marketing also copies Soviet propaganda style.
Corvusdotensis 9 months ago
Excelent video, but NBP is not racist. They have Jews and and a black leader in Latvia, Benes Aylo, he is even considered a hero by the party due to his famine strike in a Russian prison. It's leader is bissexual, Limonov, he has a book where he describes some sexual intercourse with a man in America.
The problem of NBP is that some of its members are dumb and chovinist, so they try to mix fascism and communism, despite that fascists hate them and demonize them.
Corvusdotensis 9 months ago
@JuicyOrangeUA
You completely lack of history knowledge. Communism is NOT alien to Slavs and Eurpeans, it was actually the first Production Model of humanity. The old Russian "vetcher" and the "mir" are excelent examples of primitive communism in Russia, so your whole post does not make sense.
Of course, you had to be an "orange Ukrainian" to write such foolishness.
Corvusdotensis 9 months ago
Nazi banner.... Isnt nazi National Socialism?
SovietLenin1 10 months ago
@SovietLenin1 yes, but national socialism is actually a misnomer, since both terms are completly contradictory to each other. however, the nazis used it to fool the workers. as a matter of fact, many german capitalists after the war were more rich than before.
Today exist small factions of fascists, that call themselves national bolshewists, though. but their ideas are entirely fascist and you can see it just by looking at their symbols, which they make look similar to nazi symbols.
tiberiusngc224 10 months ago
@tiberiusngc224 Sorry for long answear. Was in Russia for some days... However THANKS :D
SovietLenin1 10 months ago 2
@SovietLenin1
It's just a matter of marketing, today in many countries, this or that politician claims to be a "people's politician", when he actually works to the landlords and capitalists. Why? Simply because if he says "I work to the burgueoise class", nobody will vote for him.
Nazi were just smart, once communism and socialism was really popular, they claimed to be "the true socialists" to fool the masses and the people, and "national" because they "were not Jews".
Corvusdotensis 9 months ago
@SovietLenin1 Nazi is not socialism Economically and Socially is far right on the spectrum focusing on inequality and free market. The only Similar thing between Fascism and Communism is the Dictatorial rule. Solve your question lol?
Canadian789119 9 months ago
@Canadian789119 True that, but let me add that in theory the dictatorial rule in Marxist societies is supposed to last only during a transitional phase (i.e. socialism) and follow some democratic rules until a society free of such rule (i.e. communism) is achieved.
Also the dictatorial rule in socialism is to be exercised by the working class, which at Marx' times the vast majority of the people belonged to, as opposed to the dictatorial rule of single leaders for ever in a nazi society.
tiberiusngc224 9 months ago
@tiberiusngc224 Oh I am well aware of that. But lets be honest I don't know how easily achievable that would be. It is a perfect society in theory but people arn't perfect so it may not work out or at least any time soon
Canadian789119 9 months ago
@Canadian789119 I didn't mean to imply you wouldn't know it, but others reading this might not, so I just added this.^^
And of course, power is easily abused, especially when a society has just lived through terrible times and people are stamped by old habits and experiences making it hard or even impossible for them to embark on a journey towards something better.
tiberiusngc224 9 months ago
@tiberiusngc224 Absolute power corrupts absolutely haha
Canadian789119 9 months ago
FUCK you all CAPITALIST pigs! LONG LIVE COMMUNISM!
alloc222 10 months ago 3
The nazi flag is a symbol from india and stands for luck.... and not for aryan pride..
SpielekommentareDE 10 months ago
@SpielekommentareDE ...until nazi germany and its association within the world...
Lievcocijo 10 months ago
@SpielekommentareDE errr ... do your history books happen to end in 1933, coincidentially ???? I'd really like to see ya, tellin' this the nazis or their victims for that matter. regardless, it symbolizes the sun ..
tiberiusngc224 10 months ago
@tiberiusngc224 Did you know Vikings also used it?
SovietLenin1 10 months ago
@SovietLenin1 yes, I did. You find it or variants of svastika all other the world. these symbols date back very early. that said, western people who see it today and think firstly of luck or such are either nazis or idiots.
tiberiusngc224 10 months ago
The colors on the "Nazi Germany" flag are very similar to "Communist flag", Whiteness on nazi flag =Freedom , Redness=Revolution
Feedi112 11 months ago
i am american and i think we need commnisum here
kingofkingsbc 1 year ago 5
Great and enlightening video. Well done! :)
Aldameldo 1 year ago
Thats irrelevant
"Slavic pride"? Im Salvatrucho n communist....im not a salvic
DjHyperblaze 1 year ago
@DjHyperblaze ... agreed. but this part of the video shows slogans from nationalbolshevists and nazis (both are effectivly the same kind but the former pretend to be communists). if one thinks his race or nation is superior to others he can't be a communist.
tiberiusngc224 1 year ago 2
@tiberiusngc224 true that
burningflag43 1 year ago
on 1:58 dehap was not a socialist party.It was a kurdish nationalist party.
ozan562 1 year ago
@OmegaUnknow yes its always surprising wich stupid and contradictory theories people can come up with, to say the least ...
tiberiusngc224 1 year ago
@tiberiusngc224 The Hammer and sickle represent the workers and party, the red is the revolution, yes.
Communists reject the idea of a weapon in place of a hammer, 'A weapon should never represent the party... ever' -Lenin
Not all Communist's Hail Stalin, most Hail Lenin, or Marx.
(:
Potts132 1 year ago
The music behind this was amazing, can we find a way of adding some socialist lyrics to it?
Jasonthegaiface 1 year ago
@Jasonthegaiface well, you can try to make some up :) ... however the instrumental version is quite fitting here, I think
tiberiusngc224 1 year ago
who know the name of the song please :| ?
MAquaJJ 1 year ago
@MAquaJJ ... its taken from the ones youtube offers ... you can search all songs with the same lenght ... try the "instrumental" category first ... If I remember it, I'll post here :)
tiberiusngc224 1 year ago
@MAquaJJ I know it's been relevant to you 10 months ago but here it is
artist: duncan beattie
song: nice E
tiberiusngc224 9 months ago
I wish it kicked into heavy metal for the last one.
peppermintjohn666 1 year ago
☭Communist symbols for dummies:☭
Sickle/hammer first appeared in 1889. not 1917. like most people think.
The 5 pointed star represents a man/worker/peasant with his arms and legs spread wide= being free.
skinni45 2 years ago
I come from YUGOSLAVIA
and i like COMMUNISM
TheIZI6 2 years ago 45
what he said... :)
skinni45 2 years ago
i ja takodjer....ME ALSO....
OVOJEJUGOSLAVIJA 2 years ago
@OVOJEJUGOSLAVIJA Jugoslavija zauvek!
Rabican030 2 years ago
@TheIZI6
My grandfather was also from YUGOSLAVIA, and he also like comunism.
he went to jail becouse he put a red flag on top of a church.
now we live in Chile :/
MAquaJJ 1 year ago
@TheIZI6 I know this is late, but I was born in Leningrad, and I know you like Communism. But, I apologies on the behalf of all the Soviet people for the repression and violent suppression the Government put on your country during the Stalinist era and before de-Stalinization.
Potts132 1 year ago
@TheIZI6 Well Tito was known for being the guy who single handedly Drove out the Nazis from Yugoslavia and create a Socialist State which, unlike Stalin's state, actually worked and made himself into the leader, who unlike Stalin that needed the threat of being thrown in the Gulag to get people to love him, actually did shit to make people love him. Tito FTW
Killzoneguy117 1 year ago
@TheIZI6
Bratstvo i Jedinstvo!
Sismiques 1 year ago
@TheIZI6 Ziveli!
DjordjeMagi 8 months ago
Lunatics? The teabaggers as you put it are diametrically opposed to progressives. Progressives progress to two leanings. The conservative progressive is progressing towards fascism. The liberal progressive is progressing to communism. Please research the progressive movement. Hitler = Fascist Lennon = Communist
"Teabagger" = Libertarian (minor govt more freedom) then you have anarchists (No government) Which are you?
Moveontonumber2 2 years ago
@Moveontonumber2
Conservative Progressive Fascists? AHHAHAHHAHHAAHAHAHAHAA!!!!!
Proving my point: Too stupid to govern ourselves.
Estos Fachas son unos ignorantes.
Diosibundo 2 years ago 10
@Moveontonumber2 They teabaggers are majority really stupid, watch some interviews with this hicks.
BTW Lennon was with the Beetles, and I don't think he was a fascist or a communist, no one can be both.
marcelthemaoist 2 years ago
@marcelthemaoist You would be surprised then. Facism is a political ideology while communism is an economic ideology. Facists denounce a hierarchy in society. They also denounce Marxism because it is only for the benefit of the proletariat. These are not my beliefs, these are facts that I have found with some simple research.
WillisL94 1 year ago
@WillisL94 "Facists denounce a hierarchy in society. "
Completely false, fascism by it's definition is the hierarchy of extremes, and survival of the fittest. I've been a communist for 9 years and anti-fascist activist for 7 years.
marcelthemaoist 1 year ago
Thank you!
Sonnet1815 2 years ago
There's a hell of a lot more confusion than just about symbols.
Right Wing Teabagging lunatics in the US have taken to calling anything and everything "Communist", including facism!
I think we Amercians are fast becoming too stupid to govern ourselves.
Thanks for posting this!
Diosibundo 2 years ago 3
Welcome, and yeah we got these morons over here, too. Calling everything less than total capitalism immediately communism.
tiberiusngc224 2 years ago