Hey, standing in park guy, you didn't get what parkbench guy said about everyone walking by the bullhorn guy, did you? Well, he said that no one was listening to the bullhorn guy, that they ignored him and just walked away from him.
First we need to love, so that we can be trusted, then tell them the truth, so that they will believe us. We can not yell words at people that makes them scared and continue toward the broken brigde. We got to stop them first, then tell them why we did.
You know what guys, there are layers to life, there are layers to Christ, and there are many layers to God's word. There are also many ways to teach the scriptures and explain the layers. I love listening to Mark Driscoll as much as Rob Bell, they both deliver the Gospel in a practical way, in different layers. Jesus never wanted Christian battling Christians. If you need a scapegoat, why not Oprah? She has one of the largest, most influential followings of false doctrine. Luv ya grtjunky
@kellyjo819 I'm sure Oprah would LOVE Rob Bell, he would be her kind of christian but anyone else who actually preaches the biblical gospel would turn her stomach.
@grtjunky are you over yourself yet? I am. I get it, if you miss the part about depravity you are missing a huge part of the Gospel, and if you miss the part of GRACE, then again you don't dismiss the point of salvation! I've heard Bell preach other than Nooma's, he's not my savior Jesus is! But Bell has undeniable gift that draw so many unbelievers or "believers with questions" to dig deeper into the scriptures. He's scripture-based so he's not a false teacher. Like himor not...
@kellyjo819 Yea, anyone can open a bible and yammer for 30 minutes and the people can sit there and say "gosh beaver he's teechin' the bible" and he can say alot of things that sound "deep" but the bottom line is that in these last days, people will not put up with sound doctrine but they gather themselves people like Bell to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Tim.4:3,4) Right now, Bell is the soup du jour and people adore him.
@grtjunky I've read your posts and you argue with everyone, even calling them "losers." That's not very Christ-like, nor is your stance on feeding the poor... Do you really know why feeding the poor is so powerful? Romans 5:8 It's Grace. You never know what small simple gesture you can make that would change the way a person believes, forever. God may be counting on YOU for one small kind gesture to change the way that person looks at God seeing hope from hopelessness, experiencing true Grace
@kellyjo819 You know nothing of my "stance" on feeding the poor or anything else because we've never discussed it. These things are a fruit of salvation, not the cause of it. Rob Bell is a gospel preacher about as much as Gandhi was.
@gtrjunky Bell isn't talking about plenty of preachers, he's talking about Bullhorn Guy, we all know these types of messengers. They are legalistic, pushy, and self-righteous... all the things that Christ despised about the "religious people" of his day. What interests me is this false vs. real gospel idea that mentioned. How is Bell preaching a false gospel? Or is this thread full of religious Christians who likes to blast other Christians with Bible bullets and scripture out of context?
@kellyjo819 What Christ despised about the religious people is that they thought they were pleasing God by their "good works" without the confession of their own sinful condition and faith in Christ for His finished work on the cross. This is what Bell's religious yeachings lack. You will never hear him teach the biblical view of man's depravity and deadness in sin, only about how "good" we are and how we need to help others to make the world a better place.
@gtrjunky How is that twisting the Bible? All I'm saying is that yelling at people to scare them into repentance is about as effective as yelling at your kids to go clean their room. Yeah, maybe they do it that time, but do they understand their need to do it consistently... NO cuz you yelled at them... and NO ONE likes being yelled at...
@kellyjo819 Who "yells" at people? I've seen plenty of street preachers that don't yell and people still reject and despise the REAL gospel (Not Bell's false gospel). People reject the message and who the message is about, not the means. I guarantee if I went out "yelling" at people to receive free 100 dollar bill, it wouldn't inhibit a single soul.
I go out where people are to preach the gospel at any opportunity to hopefully "save some". I can't imagine why any true Christian would not have the same heart. At first I did not have the guts, but it did not take long for God to give me courage. Now we go preaching to thousands of people and we do see changed lives, it REALLY happens, so you're too late to say, "don't bother". . Where is your heart for the lost? AWOL? "Go out into all the world and PREACH! From the HOUSETOPS! Mat. 10:27!!!
Guy in the video... you DON'T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus came in LOVE and he expects us to approach people in LOVE!!!!!! No bullhorn necessary, it doesn't work!!!!! EVERYONE comes to Christ in LOVE, NOT FEAR. There is NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE IN CHRIST JESUS." ROMANS 8:1 THAT'S HOW YOU GET PEOPLE TO LISTEN ABOUT CHRIST!!!!! Truth will come once they accept Jesus. Conviction is a consequence of sin, and until people know who Christ is, they DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY SIN!!!!!!!!
Rob Bell is on the money with this one! I think we are just fueling the fire satin has all ready started in there hearts. The fire that God does not love me. No where in the bible does it say to yell about Jesus other verses is how people will get saved. I have seen tons of these bullhorn guys. I stop and look at the reality of what is going on. No one is stopping. No one is repenting and I'm embarrassed for the bullhorn guy. ...
Yea, rob bell is "on the money"...he's cashing it in with Zondervan. Heresy sells ya know? I've seen plenty of street preachers that don't fit your mischaracterization. The apostles preached in the streets and so have many great preachers in history. Got news for you, no one's repenting with Bell's false gospel either!
...Where is the Love. Take a look at TV Shows, Movies, music and other media. Most people make fun of us because of this. I think the bullhorn guys are the definition of insanity. Doing this over and over hoping for a different result. Yes God can use a donkey and he can use the bullhorn guy. ...
... But is the effective enough to spend all this time yelling at people. The bullhorn guy is not saving these people anyways. The holy sprit is bringing them to repentance. Not me! Not you! and Not the bullhorn guy. ...
...In fact you are yelling at bunch of people that the holy spirit has not got them to a point of salvation. You can also be hindering that process of salvation and make it harder for them to get saved. Its like your throwing God up again the wall and seeing if it sticks. But your yelling at the wall at the same time. Yelling at the wall will not make God stick to it. What happened to being lead by the spirit. Why can't we say and doing. ...
...in fact you are yelling at bunch of people that the holy spirit has not got them to a point of salvation. You can also be hindering that process of salvation and make it harder for them to get saved. Its like your throwing God up again the wall and seeing if it sticks. But your yelling at the wall at the same time. Yelling at the wall will not make God stick to it. What happened to being lead by the spirit. Why can't we say and doing only what Jesus wants us to do. ...
...You can't say Jesus would be a bull horn guy it would be the worst way to get his word out. People desired to be around Jesus. No one wants to be around the bullhorn guy. Look I could go all day on this but i think I'm going to go out and love on someone and then share God. O and I will tell them about Sin and Hell because it is important. I will do it in the most appropriate and effective timing. I'm just not going to scare people into loving God.
No masterpiece in literature is to be taken literal. To do so diminishes the richness of the lliterary piece. There are many layers to the symbolic world of the scriptures. I feel sad when I see and hear people taling the scripturs on merelly a lteral level. But everyone is at a different point in their faith development. There is a sacredl world of the mystical world and life in the scriptures. Literal understanding loses this deep world of the spiritual life.
Poor example. What the protestants did was affirmed by scripture. What the Catholics did was not. Since your point was not proven by scripture then go stand with the Catholics.
really ???????????????
really that is quite oh whats the word Im looking for ?
ya and a more valid point is this...wether you agree or not about the type of message... being a bull =horn guy simply is not effective... not one bit... you have no right of passage to be listened to... no one gives you the time of day when you do those things...you give God a bad name... you can be right but be wrong at the same time...those who have ears, let them hear...lol
Both Rob Bell and this guy make good points. But we are to do all thinks in love. Christ says the two greatest commandments are to love God with all you are and to love your neighbor. We cannot bring others to Christ by condemming them. We cannot reach others without loving on them, even if that means just acting in loving ways or pointing out their errors.
Amen brother. Jesus publikly rebuked Sin and used his bull horn. But Jesus also dealt in a one on one calm tone, with Nicodemus and the woman @ the well. So do I warn the world of the wrath of God that abides on them if they reject Gods Son and his blood. Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;but the wrath of God abideth on him. Passing out gospel tracks & street preaching are not OPTIONS for Christians,but COMMANDMENTS!
This is more literalism and fundamentalism.... Like many you seem to miss the deeper meanings of the text...the level where the symbolic world bursts forth into the radiance of the resurrection, hope and peace and forgivenes and reconciliation. I just wonder anymore if the Catholics dont have it right where the Eucharist is the center of life for them...the breaking of the bread. What is the real meaning of Mk 8:21.."do you still not understand?"...yep we keep missing the point dont we.
It is interesting to note that every religion states the "We have the TRUTH." Our way of thinking, believing, worshiping, understanding scripture or doctrines, dogmas and abstractions are the truth.
We are made in the image and likenes of a trinitarian God who is a triparte in one another that they are One. The real truth is living in right relationship, not a dogma or cereberal concept. . Every religion succumbs to the temptation that we alone have the truth.
It's how you live not what you think.. Its about relationship, relationship with one's self, others, all creation and God. Whaever you do to the least of my brothers and sisters you do to me.
Well yeah, but the Bible is not all-accepting as some like to make it to be. There is ONE way--Jesus said it Himself. If you're referring to denominations within Christianity--yeah, those are pointless to argue about because they're all just ways of living out the same faith..
@denalisfire "Every religion succumbs to the temptation that we alone have the truth. "
Let's see...In the average person's view, Jesus founded (i.e., represents) the "religion" of Christianity.. So when He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life," He was deluded?
I guess it's like (to quote John Barrowman song): "I am what I am.. I am my own special creation...Life's not worth a d**n until you can shout out loud, 'I am what I am!'" That's the open philosophy of most unbelievers nowadays.
Rob Bell isn't anti-repentence! He's anti-bull horn style witnessing. NOOMA: BULLHORN challenges the notion that it is not enough to leave a track in a bathroom stall, and shout hell to passerbyes isn't the way of Jesus. Jesus talked about hell more then anyone in the Bible, but he didn't talk about hell the way a bullhorn theologian did. The point of BULLHORN, is to encourage people to put the pamphlets away and witness with your life showing Christ's love.
Here is the problem, we error too far one way or the other. Some believe that God doesn't hate sin, and others believe that God needs help convicting a heart so they put on their armour and swing for the fences. There has to be a genuine connection of love woven with righteousness and neither the bullhorn guy nor the universalist gets it at all.
p.s. be somewhat creative with your response...because honestly, your revolution in christ looks very much like a cheap spin off of Nooma.
Love like Jesus loves and everything else will fall into place... You make great points and thank you for making this video. But in all things, love; love like Jesus loved! Thanks you guys!
I believe if we are going to witness to someone that we need to tell them the whole gospel. We need to tell them about Gods love and Gods hate, we need to tell people that Jesus cares about them, We need to tell them the God hates sin. We need to tell people that because of our sin we deserve hell. But the gift of God is eternal life, He sent His Son to die on the cross cause he loves us. We need to talk about the side of Jesus that he loves and cares but we also need to talk about hell as well
i would just like to add that most christians i know love with a motive you my not, but i know i have and i know other christians that do you can't just love people for the sake pf loving them
Sad to see you're blind, what Rob Bell does is preaching with a different approach, he's preaching the gospel but how Jesus did, with love and with a revolutionary view, not as the church does it, he's using a tool and that's what NOOMA is about.
the church is body consisting of parts, we need different bits ie hands and feet, we also need the bullhorn guy and the park bench guy. the both have got a big part to play. i like bell but he should not of put the bullhorn guy down.
Matthew 6:5-6 (The Message) 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6 "Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.
This is all good, ya we do need to tell the world where they're headed...we don't need to criticize anyone.there NEEDS to be, NEEDS TO BE Unity though.all us "christians" aren't unified.these response videos show it. Also, Jesus when he did say things as far as repent, he always did it out of love.THats the thing I believe Rob is getting at, Jesus wants us to deliver His message in Love. Jesus was stern towards the pharisees/hypocrites cuz they weren't living the same way they said they were
Bell is crystal clear in his sermons on proclaiming the good news. He jusst hasnt been corrupted by bad (and NEW) american theology that is all about scaring people into the kingdom. Read dallas willard, NT wright, so many others - undo your poor theology.
You sound so smug with your "Im more educated than you" comment. Maybe you need to read the Bible instead of the works of men and their corrupt thougts about God and salvation. The more proclaiming the Truth the better, even if its with a bullhorn.
wow - wasnt trying to be "smug" and yes i read my bible daily - and study intensely (i co-pastor a church) I hate that i got sucked into silly youtube comment throwing - i simply would love for to know the truth of Bell - but more specifically - the WHOLE gospel.
sad understanding of what bell was doing - poor understanding of scripture - this is a bit sad. Jesus called his first diciples to go into a city - heal the sick, care for the poor (demonstrate) - and then announce what that is - the kingdom of God (announce)
That's the "social gospel", not the real Gospel. Feeding the poor is not the Gospel. Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel. The Gospel converts unregenerate sinners into followers of Christ. Feeding poor people fills their bellies but leaves them dead in their sins.
What about people who aren't poor who are lost and on their way to Hell?
youre silly - haha- bell does not preach the social gospel" God called his disciples to demonstrate the kingdom - care for the poor - love your enemies, care for the fatherless and the widow, and declare the kingdom - tell people of who jesus is - and of his truth. you are misguided. Please stop skipping verses in your bible.
Sorry to inform you that you're wrong, but the Gospel is that Christ died for the forgiveness of sins that whoever would repent and believe in Him would be saved. Bell does not preach the Gospel.
The good news is not "good news", unless people understand what the "bad news" is first. That ALL have sinned against a Holy God and unless they repent and believe they will face God on judgement day and be cast into eternal hell. Yea, I know we're not supposed to mention "hell" because it's "negative", but it's part of the "whole counsel of God". (Acts 20)
and4red, thats the typical social gospel. read up on it. its so wrong. the gospel is not feeding the poor. the gospel is focusing on the real condition of man. from sin came every malady we see today. we need to focus on the real cause, not the symptoms,
Your might say "that dosen't sound very lovin" I don't care! Jesus stripped and beaten and hung on stick to die ain't very lovin either is it! Love rejoices in the TRUTH! Go tell some one the TRUTH, ALL OF IT AND LIFT YOUR VOICE FOR THE LORDS LOST! God will move and you will see some one saved! God saves!
Any man that claims to be a Christian and hinders the Commandment of the OpenAir Proclamation is not a follower of Christ! They are deceived and follow a different spirt not the Spirit of the God of the Bible. Freakin idiots that do nothing to seek the lost but condemn those that do and claim they have a new better modern way are saying that theri way is better that the Bibles. FOOLS! You need to repent and surrender to Christ not a man or a church or some system! Wake up!
Shouting in public is Biblical! Noah,Jonah,Moses,Isaiah,Jeremiah,Ezekial,Joel,Micah,Paul,Peter,Stephan,Timothy, and Jesus all OpenAirPreachers! Shouting and warning of the judgments to come! On and On and On they went every where in the Book of Acts Preaching the Gospel in the public! Read your Bible you enemy of the cross the Lord rebuke you seed of falsehood false converts of the false american christianity! stop hindering the proclamation and go Read your Bible you FOOLS!
Not only did these people warn others of their impending doom, be it on earth or in death, they did it out of love, and almost always did thye include the grace of God, Jesus especily. I don't think that calling somebody a false christian is helping the cause, but in the same way, not telling people about hell is too, not helping the cause. Perhaps you should stop "hindering the proclamation" and love as well as rebuke. I don't rember in the bible where it says, "go therefore and be a jerk".
milk toast all about love nothing else. Wheres the love wheres the grace wheres the love wheres they grace sez the devil duhhh. It's in the cross Wake up! Ye must be born again milk toast! were in a war! Did they not teach you that at that milk toast institution call a "church" you go to?
okay, I've never heard the term "milk TOast" before, where did that come crom, just wondering. But onto the real point.. They did infact teach that what christ suffered on the cross was out of nothing but pure love for us, and i totly agree. But let me ask, if i were to refer to you as an ignorent christian, who only conems people to hell but does not adress the race of god, what would you say? This is not how i feel, just so you know, however this is how a lot of lost souls veiw what you do.
Bell doesn't want people to ignore that sin is death,and certainly doesnt want people hearing half the gospel and growing into oblivous "christians" with a destiny of hell - he wants christians to portray and deliver the message of Christ in an effective manner.Shouting condemnation and selected Bible verses doesnt effect change.Truth delivered through relationship is consistently the most effective and life changing method as I see it.Bell is on the money-may I suggest you watch the DVD again.
If you saw a blind man running toward a cliff, would you ask to get to know him more and then watch him run off the edge before you have a chance to tell him to stop, or would you grab him and hold him back with all of your might. A truly loving person would do the latter. People die without salvation every single day. There's a chance that your unsaved friend might not wake up tomorrow morning.
Really, the more I'm with non-Christians, the more I act like them. It's never the other way around.
This is the problem with American christianity. They operate on their feeling and emotions rather than based on the truth of Gods word. shaneeup does not know his Bible he is a product of a lame duck milk toaste gospel given to him by a man that claims he's a "pastor" but has yet to tell him the truth of disipleship and the call to the lost and dying. Blind leading the blind Rob-Bell has a universal agenda. The Bible says that the lost and false converts are condmned ALREADY! Go read your Bible!
while i agree that Bell is just preaching a universalist christianity and a lot of what he says is crap, i just wnat to know. whats the verse about te false converts, i think you may have a point but i can't find it, do you think you could help me out, thanks!
shouting out in the public forum help counteract this?The bullhorn guy is not portraying the message in its entirety either.I am sure Jesus raised his voice and made it known that eternal death is the result of rejecting him,he didn't take sin lightly nor did he ignore or rationalise it out of "love".He spoke to people's hearts,confronted the issue/s at hand and built them up in hope.Tell me one thing-how does the method of a "bullhorn guy" satisfy this example left by Christ?
I am not out here saying "yeh you tell him" cos your off the mark also.Does the "bullhorn guy" bellow at passers by with love?Jesus message was always given out of love,not out of religious arrogance or conceit.Even he/she is bellowing out of love,in our society it will be misconstrued 99% of the time and people wont be affected-they will remain closed off and ignorant because noone likes being shouted at.people are nonresponsive for the majority to the message of Jesus and how does a person
i find it weird that these bell haters have so much time, energy, and money to spend on these videos, yet there are unnumbered amounts of people in their community still going to hell...Jesus said the workers are few and now not only are their few but they have nothing better to do that be cat fighting
It definately is true that he doesn't mention hell hardly at all.. he does though. and it's true that he avoid's talking about judgement.. he does though. velvet elvis chapter 6
I think its wierd that rob gets picked on.. a lot of people put out videos and don't mention hell, like louie giglio and his indescribable, and how great is our god videos.. i hear awesome praise for those but no hell, no judgement there. yet ridicule here.. i think some people just have it out for this guy.
yah dude um this guy completely missed the point. Rob Bell isn't discouraging preaching the gospel he is discouraging the fact that yelling at people and making urself look like a complete phsyco and claiming u love them doesn't really mix. you have to understand that people don't like being yelled at especially when it's something that they find religious. the reason rob bell says this is because he knows that people make stereotypes and he doesn't want people to think of christians heartless
Did John the Baptist look like a complete psycho? How about Jesus? And Peter? Paul? Move it up a few centuries. What about George Whitefield? John Wesley? D.L. Moody? Open air preaching became unpopular in the 20th Century due to the slide into liberal theology, and Evangelicals took the bait. But, Lord willing, it's making a comeback in the 21st Century, despite the efforts of quasi-liberals/heretics like Rob Bell!
hmm.. I think the speaker here may have missed the main point in Rob's video. People in biblical times may have responded well to judgment day warnings, but today, that's not the case. People respond better when you show them that you actually care about them - and not just shove Scripture down their throats. The bullhorn guy might think he's doing it because he loves others - but all in all, it's just not working.
Is the issue "it's just not working," or "I'm embarrassed to be associated with these fanatical, loud 'gospel terrorists?'" Just admit it. Or the issue could be your unbiblical theology. Like it or not, open air preachers have probably the most biblical theology when it comes to man's need for a Savior and what one must do to be saved: Repent and Believe! Wake up and read your bible!
I believe God does hate people.....as it is biblical...I don't and haven't ever disagreed with that.
But for the first time I tell someone about Jesus, I myself want to share the Love of God....if you choose to do it another way, thats great, I'm sure it works for you....
And I don't think ANY false converts have come out of Jesus using me to witness.
maybe sooo, but boy am I sure glad there was more than just him out there......and if he was there I'd prefer he just bought me a pepsi and sat down to talk with me about the love of god....still rather than use his bullhorn....
But as I said originally, thats just me....and thats what I feel....
Some people may respond to a more aggressive method.
Sure, you're most definitely going to get more people to listen if you're only talking about love, but you're also going to get a bunch of false converts. And sure God is loving, but hes not promiscuous love. You know, God also hates people as well. Check Psalm 5:5- God hates all workers of iniquity. Or Romans 9:13, Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. In order to love, you must hate as well. Dont just read your bible, be a student of it.
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:6-8).
if I was on a street corner and someone was yelling about Jesus, I'd pass right by, now on the other hand, if a Christian came to me and approached it by taking me out to coffee, or just sitting there and explaining it to me, Id be more receptive. One thing that non - christians see in Christians is that there are always two sides arguing about the right way to do it......I personally have never seen a benefit in the bullhorn guy at all, but thats just me, doesnt mean hes doing anything wrong.
It's not "safe" to bodly preach the gospel. If you're really preaching the gospel, youre gonna get yourself into trouble. The cross is both beautiful and an offense and it must be both, if we seek to nuder the gospel, or rob it of it's great offense, then it's no longer the gospel we're preaching to people. We're not doing anyone any favors by making the gospel easier to hear, because it ceases to be the gospel.
You can't just preach God's love. People these days think that it's all up to them to bring people to Christ through clever methods or even by sugar coating the Gospel, but the elect WILL respond to the gospel. Jesus said in John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. Go read your bible, tons of fire and brimstone. Only preaching love is gonna give you a bunch of unrepentant christians. You must be broken down by the law first before you can experience grace.
Bull Horner's don't reflect God's grace. God's grace and God's wrath are both very important.. Yesterday there were bull horners and all these people were just shaking their heads, and laughing and mocking. This is the only side of Christianity they see. Park bench guy has the same conviction. He came to the conclusion because of his fruits. In his Church he reads word for word every word in a book.. HE READS THE GOSPEL BUDDY.. this video makes division in Christ body
Jesus life was dedicated to glorifying the Father. Part of which was to heal and feed AND TO SPEAK THE TRUTH whether people liked it or not. People loved the healings and the miracles but when Jesus spoke truth they wanted nothing to do with Him and they forsook Him.
thing in my church. Water the gospel down to much and it just might evaporate.
I, too need to share my faith more and let people know of HIS (Jesus) goodness and HIS wrath. Hell is real, we can forget that as we sit comfortably on our couches, beaches, and air feeled rooms.
soooo we should approach the car and bang on the windows and scream at the person to stop even if that guy already knows of the road ahead instead of saying "yo, i love you and god loves you lets take another path." lets build a better image of Christians.
By loving them. God draws them, his spirit does.. we can't scare people into believing something. If you read Christ approach to masses, he did not use signs and approach people that disagreed, he spoke plainly in their own language what is the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is like this,.. it's like that.. Then Jesus would tell them where their part is in it. Bullhorning on a street corner were people get about 15 seconds of information is not an affective way to proclaim the gospel.
Jesus and the apostles spoke openly in the public places. Just because you don't think it's "affective" does not mean it's wrong. Hell and judgement are part of the whole picture as well as God's love and grace. Not all open air preachers are the same. Besides, the bible already said that the Gospel would b rejected, not because someone is proclaiming it in the open square but because men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.(John 3:19,20)
Don't you guys see it? This is the Hell that was spoken of in the Bible. Where we are living right now. We are in Hell. This Earth tries us by fire, This Earth is where there is gnashing of teeth. Don't you see?
We have been judged and came here to Earth according to that judgment.
yes you do have to preach the whole gospel. but what Rob Bell was getting at is that we have to approach non believers in a loving manner not with fire brimstone and the pits of hell, thats not going to attract anybody to Christianity. the point of the bullhorn video was to discourage scaring people into Christianity and to bring them to Christ because of his love. read 1st john 4:18. think before you speak out against another brother home boy
The things we Christians choose to fight over. Rob Bell is a good guy that may be off on some points, but his nooma videos got me back into rebuilding my relationship with Christ... for that I'm grateful. This video was average at best.
Modern "christianity" is soft and weak. I know too many christians that rely on "lifestyle evangelism". The fact is, that's not what we're called to do. Nobody is going to get saved just because you buy them a pepsi and listen to their problems.
Ok, yes, but Jesus never sceamed at people that they were going to burn forever and ever. Non-christians arent going to listen to someone that is screaming their head off.
Ok, I don't think this guy understands that yes, while christians in the FIRST CENTURY explained "the gospel" by preaching on condemnation and judgement it doesn't work today! Rob Bell's point is to show your faith with love for each other. If someone walked up to me and said, because you believe this, you are going to hell! I would be so turned off of whatever he was talking about. We HAVE to find a new way to reach people today and the bullhorn in my opinion is not it.
You illustration was not accurate. It was more of a straw man arguement. It's not an issue of love vs. condemnation/judgement, it's about loving someone enough to tell them the whole truth. Even if they are offended and angry, it's not the man, it's the message.
The only difference between people then and people now is the clothing, the language and the technology. People are still sinful and in need of a savior.
so, every scripture this guy referenced is jesus speaking to jews. jesus, paul, or any of the other first century christians never preached judgement or condemnation to those outside the house of israel. i'm pretty sure he is speaking to those who aleady adhere to mono-theistic ten commandment-centric worldview.
I can see where this guy is coming from, but the point that I think Rob Bell was trying to get across is that people like the bullhorn man, in todays society, can turn people off to Jesus. The 'fire and brimstone' message worked during the Great Awakening, but that was in the 1700s. Its different now. Sin and Hell and judgement are very much a part of what I believe. But i think ONLY preaching about them (what the bullhorn man does) will scare non-believers away.
Both sides to this issue have extremely valid comments. There really is a time for everything. It is easy to misconstrue points, misquote, and really just flat out not know the whole story. Let's keep looking at both sides, balancing them as we are led by the Lord. Just as Jesus did.
I know a pastor who was speaking at a church while on a mission trip. several days after he spoke he was called out by a bullhorn guy and told he was a sinner and going to hell. just so happened the bullhorn guy was the pastor of the church that my friend spoke at. he was soo cot up in the moment that he didnt recognize my friend until it was much too late! I am thankful of the bullhorn guy's willingness to speak out since only 2% do but sometimes they need to spread love and then truth.
You say "I don't think it's helping the cause of the gospel by criticizing the bullhorn guy."
Aren't you criticizing the parkbench guy? I don't think that's helping the cause of the gospel either.
And before I hear another person criticizing Rob Bell and his Bullhorn video, I want to hear one story about a person who came to believe in a loving, forgiving Christ because of someone screaming at them through a bullhorn on a street corner.
You do realize that you are comparing an apple to a fish sandwich right? But a side from that, Jesus has the authority to take such action and we don't. Justice belongs to the Lord, Jesus' disciples didn't form their own whips and join him because it was not their place and neither is it ours. We are to love Mercy and Gentely restore. We are called to be witnesses of Christ, not to preach damnation but forgiveness and love. I pray that your heart be softened by the Lord so that you can
One man eats meat another vegetables, to one man everyday is sacred, to another it's just another day...do not pass judgement on disputable matters. This brings division. The same Christ died for us all. The eye and the hand are different members of the same body.
Rob bell doesnt say the bullhorn method is from Hatred...you cant jsut put words in his mouth. Rob bell said Jesus bnever went around yelling at people to repent or burn for eternity, he showde them love. In your example of the adulteress Jesus didnt tell her to stop sinning until He first showed her the incredible Mercy and Love of God. Love is the Greatest commandment also. The bull horn method turns many people away. if you scream about how bad people are they'll probably turn away
your silly. telling someone to not critique another person while sharing their faith... while ... critiquing another person for sharing their faith. lol
how bout you get a haircut hippie men should look like men!! how bout you put on a pretty little dress and preach you hippies! why you should also put on a suit and tie !!
now what good did that really do? Jesus Gospel was one of compassion he spoke rarely of hell less than 5 times(and most of the time that was to the religious folks and the body parts were talking of adultry I see your point and i see the nooma side of things
in my opinion we are to be Christlike right.... so what did Jesus do
he threw arms around people he didnt yell at them with turn or burn. no he said I like you lets chill together let me tell you whats up! Jesus loved the samaritans the minority of the day,the lepers,tax collectors .
Jesus even loved Saul! look at acts!
ch 10(36,38especially) peter preaching peace and good news never mentions hell!14:grace not wrath 26 :22 paul says nothing of hell
I wonder what GOd could do in this world if we spent half as much time trying to live as Jesus taught instead of arguing with each other--just a thought, not taking either side of this arguement. i beleive Jesus taught us to love one another first and foremost, which includes All the gospel. I think the point is how you convey Gods message of love--and it is a message of love--to the world.
the core message of the gospel is to love,listening to people,comforting them in times of sorrow,being a friend to them,praying for them, and telling them the "good" news of the gospel that god loves them and is with them, not by striking fear into their hearts and making them feel bad, or guilty,and pushing them further away from god, why would they want to know god it makes him sound terrifying, jesus came to break down these images of god please dont rebuild them, pleeease GOD IS LOVE!!!!!!!!
Sir in love, you are wrong! I loving tell you you are wrong, because the Bible says so. Without fear there is no wisdom, your love without makes people stupid toward God. Read Matthew 10:28, your calling Jesus a liar. Pleeese kill your idols man!
excuse me but no im not calling god a liar atall i love god with all my heart god is amazing,but there is a big difference between fear & awe,awe is 2 b amazed at God,at his power his majesty his creation,his "friendship" with us,but if u are living in fear of god then u dont know who god is,fear is real yes,we are human and we are afraid of many things,but dont make people afraid of god is what im saying,thats why it constantly says in the bible do NOT be afraid i am with you,god bless u!
What have I said that is not love? The great concern I have for my fellow man who is lost and Gods wrath is upon him (John 3:36) Is it not love to tell someone the truth even if I am rejected, did not Jesu warn of hellfire several times to the sinner, better to cut off your hand and pluck out your eye Mt 5:29-30. True love will tell the truth, the wrath of God is terrifying, friends don't let friends remain ignorant of hell. Bell does because he does not belief in a literal hell.
god bless u,i see i am gonna get nowhere in the conversation with you so i will pray for you,oh btw i rebuke your comment about the wrath of god being upon me,and that im lost,cheers anyway tho,im human,and weak,and i have faults we all do,but i atleast know that god accepts me as im,& for that im grateful,with his help i can try to love him & love like him & bring his message of "GOOD NEWS" to people who need to hear it,p.s.i think u should try not judging people try accepting them as god does
John 3:36 said Gods wrath is upon those who don't know hrist, that applys to me,u the world, not trying to point at you, we are all lost and wretched, sorry if I made that unclear. The good news is that we all deserve hell, but God in his grace and kindness saved us, thats what makes grace so AMAZING!
Hey, standing in park guy, you didn't get what parkbench guy said about everyone walking by the bullhorn guy, did you? Well, he said that no one was listening to the bullhorn guy, that they ignored him and just walked away from him.
First we need to love, so that we can be trusted, then tell them the truth, so that they will believe us. We can not yell words at people that makes them scared and continue toward the broken brigde. We got to stop them first, then tell them why we did.
samuelhallsweden 10 months ago
great video response.
bravesbills 10 months ago
You know what guys, there are layers to life, there are layers to Christ, and there are many layers to God's word. There are also many ways to teach the scriptures and explain the layers. I love listening to Mark Driscoll as much as Rob Bell, they both deliver the Gospel in a practical way, in different layers. Jesus never wanted Christian battling Christians. If you need a scapegoat, why not Oprah? She has one of the largest, most influential followings of false doctrine. Luv ya grtjunky
kellyjo819 11 months ago
@kellyjo819 I'm sure Oprah would LOVE Rob Bell, he would be her kind of christian but anyone else who actually preaches the biblical gospel would turn her stomach.
gtrjunky 11 months ago
@grtjunky are you over yourself yet? I am. I get it, if you miss the part about depravity you are missing a huge part of the Gospel, and if you miss the part of GRACE, then again you don't dismiss the point of salvation! I've heard Bell preach other than Nooma's, he's not my savior Jesus is! But Bell has undeniable gift that draw so many unbelievers or "believers with questions" to dig deeper into the scriptures. He's scripture-based so he's not a false teacher. Like himor not...
kellyjo819 11 months ago
@kellyjo819 Yea, anyone can open a bible and yammer for 30 minutes and the people can sit there and say "gosh beaver he's teechin' the bible" and he can say alot of things that sound "deep" but the bottom line is that in these last days, people will not put up with sound doctrine but they gather themselves people like Bell to tell them what their itching ears want to hear. (2 Tim.4:3,4) Right now, Bell is the soup du jour and people adore him.
gtrjunky 11 months ago
@gtrjunky well gee whiz wally "is it sound doctrine to say every one is going to die and there is no escaping it?
gtrfurby 11 months ago
@gtrfurby Well maybe someday IF God saves you things will all make sense.
gtrjunky 11 months ago
@gtrjunky keep suckin the tit of false teachers...
gtrfurby 11 months ago
@gtrjunky
They will say, "Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our fathers died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation."
Therefore keep watch, because you do not know the day or the hour."
gtrfurby 11 months ago
@grtjunky I've read your posts and you argue with everyone, even calling them "losers." That's not very Christ-like, nor is your stance on feeding the poor... Do you really know why feeding the poor is so powerful? Romans 5:8 It's Grace. You never know what small simple gesture you can make that would change the way a person believes, forever. God may be counting on YOU for one small kind gesture to change the way that person looks at God seeing hope from hopelessness, experiencing true Grace
kellyjo819 11 months ago
@kellyjo819 You know nothing of my "stance" on feeding the poor or anything else because we've never discussed it. These things are a fruit of salvation, not the cause of it. Rob Bell is a gospel preacher about as much as Gandhi was.
gtrjunky 11 months ago
@gtrjunky Bell isn't talking about plenty of preachers, he's talking about Bullhorn Guy, we all know these types of messengers. They are legalistic, pushy, and self-righteous... all the things that Christ despised about the "religious people" of his day. What interests me is this false vs. real gospel idea that mentioned. How is Bell preaching a false gospel? Or is this thread full of religious Christians who likes to blast other Christians with Bible bullets and scripture out of context?
kellyjo819 11 months ago
@kellyjo819 What Christ despised about the religious people is that they thought they were pleasing God by their "good works" without the confession of their own sinful condition and faith in Christ for His finished work on the cross. This is what Bell's religious yeachings lack. You will never hear him teach the biblical view of man's depravity and deadness in sin, only about how "good" we are and how we need to help others to make the world a better place.
gtrjunky 11 months ago
@gtrjunky How is that twisting the Bible? All I'm saying is that yelling at people to scare them into repentance is about as effective as yelling at your kids to go clean their room. Yeah, maybe they do it that time, but do they understand their need to do it consistently... NO cuz you yelled at them... and NO ONE likes being yelled at...
kellyjo819 1 year ago
@kellyjo819 Who "yells" at people? I've seen plenty of street preachers that don't yell and people still reject and despise the REAL gospel (Not Bell's false gospel). People reject the message and who the message is about, not the means. I guarantee if I went out "yelling" at people to receive free 100 dollar bill, it wouldn't inhibit a single soul.
gtrjunky 11 months ago
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1:15 seconds... Its not helping the gospel to criticize... great point kinda makes me laugh
MrWesRR 1 year ago
1:15 seconds... Its not helping the gospel to criticize... great point
MrWesRR 1 year ago
I go out where people are to preach the gospel at any opportunity to hopefully "save some". I can't imagine why any true Christian would not have the same heart. At first I did not have the guts, but it did not take long for God to give me courage. Now we go preaching to thousands of people and we do see changed lives, it REALLY happens, so you're too late to say, "don't bother". . Where is your heart for the lost? AWOL? "Go out into all the world and PREACH! From the HOUSETOPS! Mat. 10:27!!!
GregS4Jesus 1 year ago
Guy in the video... you DON'T GET IT!!!!!!!!!!! Jesus came in LOVE and he expects us to approach people in LOVE!!!!!! No bullhorn necessary, it doesn't work!!!!! EVERYONE comes to Christ in LOVE, NOT FEAR. There is NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE IN CHRIST JESUS." ROMANS 8:1 THAT'S HOW YOU GET PEOPLE TO LISTEN ABOUT CHRIST!!!!! Truth will come once they accept Jesus. Conviction is a consequence of sin, and until people know who Christ is, they DON'T ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THEY SIN!!!!!!!!
kellyjo819 1 year ago
@kellyjo819 Way to twist the bible...and you say the guy in the video doesn't get it???
gtrjunky 1 year ago
@gtrjunky botany boy @ it again
gtrfurby 1 year ago
your out of your freaking mind jay peters.......nice mullet hahahaha
beaushilder 1 year ago
Excellent. Thanks for speaking the truth.
theteaprincess 1 year ago
brother... this is really terrible.
LovesPaint 1 year ago
The truth is the truth,,,even if we don't always like it.
Rob187ok 1 year ago
ugh..........
JullenaBurcham 2 years ago
Rob Bell is on the money with this one! I think we are just fueling the fire satin has all ready started in there hearts. The fire that God does not love me. No where in the bible does it say to yell about Jesus other verses is how people will get saved. I have seen tons of these bullhorn guys. I stop and look at the reality of what is going on. No one is stopping. No one is repenting and I'm embarrassed for the bullhorn guy. ...
vectormagic 2 years ago
Yea, rob bell is "on the money"...he's cashing it in with Zondervan. Heresy sells ya know? I've seen plenty of street preachers that don't fit your mischaracterization. The apostles preached in the streets and so have many great preachers in history. Got news for you, no one's repenting with Bell's false gospel either!
gtrjunky 2 years ago
I always find Rob Bell to be "on the money." Has anyone ever googled "religious addiction" and/or "spiritual abuse" Very interesting....
denalisfire 2 years ago
...Where is the Love. Take a look at TV Shows, Movies, music and other media. Most people make fun of us because of this. I think the bullhorn guys are the definition of insanity. Doing this over and over hoping for a different result. Yes God can use a donkey and he can use the bullhorn guy. ...
vectormagic 2 years ago
... But is the effective enough to spend all this time yelling at people. The bullhorn guy is not saving these people anyways. The holy sprit is bringing them to repentance. Not me! Not you! and Not the bullhorn guy. ...
vectormagic 2 years ago
...In fact you are yelling at bunch of people that the holy spirit has not got them to a point of salvation. You can also be hindering that process of salvation and make it harder for them to get saved. Its like your throwing God up again the wall and seeing if it sticks. But your yelling at the wall at the same time. Yelling at the wall will not make God stick to it. What happened to being lead by the spirit. Why can't we say and doing. ...
vectormagic 2 years ago
...in fact you are yelling at bunch of people that the holy spirit has not got them to a point of salvation. You can also be hindering that process of salvation and make it harder for them to get saved. Its like your throwing God up again the wall and seeing if it sticks. But your yelling at the wall at the same time. Yelling at the wall will not make God stick to it. What happened to being lead by the spirit. Why can't we say and doing only what Jesus wants us to do. ...
vectormagic 2 years ago
...You can't say Jesus would be a bull horn guy it would be the worst way to get his word out. People desired to be around Jesus. No one wants to be around the bullhorn guy. Look I could go all day on this but i think I'm going to go out and love on someone and then share God. O and I will tell them about Sin and Hell because it is important. I will do it in the most appropriate and effective timing. I'm just not going to scare people into loving God.
vectormagic 2 years ago
No masterpiece in literature is to be taken literal. To do so diminishes the richness of the lliterary piece. There are many layers to the symbolic world of the scriptures. I feel sad when I see and hear people taling the scripturs on merelly a lteral level. But everyone is at a different point in their faith development. There is a sacredl world of the mystical world and life in the scriptures. Literal understanding loses this deep world of the spiritual life.
denalisfire 2 years ago
"No masterpiece in literature is to be taken literal"
Says who?
gtrjunky 2 years ago
It's ironic that you say that because Jesus took the scriptures literally. So who should people listen to, you or Jesus?
Hmmmm....I'll take Jesus since He's God.
gtrjunky 2 years ago
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Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
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Boy you must really have your tighty whities in bunch. Ha ha...loser.
gtrjunky 2 years ago
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Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
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what up there 5.0
ha ha ha ha ha ha .
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
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Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
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been a tough couple weeks for you eh?
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@Ipreachfromscripts
Not at all... been very blessed.
gtrjunky 2 years ago
@gtrjunky
seems to me your getting powend yet again.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
@gtrjunky
boy your gettin all flustered ha ha
seems you just insert foot.
use the law on em quick.
your pathetic almost as bad as "window washer" himself
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
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@gtrjunky
Poor example. What the protestants did was affirmed by scripture. What the Catholics did was not. Since your point was not proven by scripture then go stand with the Catholics.
really ???????????????
really that is quite oh whats the word Im looking for ?
oh yeah hypocritical. lol
your a fraud.
Ipreachfromscripts 2 years ago
ya and a more valid point is this...wether you agree or not about the type of message... being a bull =horn guy simply is not effective... not one bit... you have no right of passage to be listened to... no one gives you the time of day when you do those things...you give God a bad name... you can be right but be wrong at the same time...those who have ears, let them hear...lol
thoughtmocker 2 years ago
Both Rob Bell and this guy make good points. But we are to do all thinks in love. Christ says the two greatest commandments are to love God with all you are and to love your neighbor. We cannot bring others to Christ by condemming them. We cannot reach others without loving on them, even if that means just acting in loving ways or pointing out their errors.
guitardwarf 2 years ago
Right on
Spartymusic 2 years ago
Great Video..."parkbench guy"...lol.
norqvader 2 years ago
Amen!
k8ai 2 years ago
Amen brother. Jesus publikly rebuked Sin and used his bull horn. But Jesus also dealt in a one on one calm tone, with Nicodemus and the woman @ the well. So do I warn the world of the wrath of God that abides on them if they reject Gods Son and his blood. Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life;but the wrath of God abideth on him. Passing out gospel tracks & street preaching are not OPTIONS for Christians,but COMMANDMENTS!
preachtruth08 2 years ago
yeah and all the new testement preachers read from a script too right?
thademaus art thou a good person?
hast thou broken laws ye were never under? oh? thou art doomed to hell.....
notevenclose4comfort 2 years ago
This is more literalism and fundamentalism.... Like many you seem to miss the deeper meanings of the text...the level where the symbolic world bursts forth into the radiance of the resurrection, hope and peace and forgivenes and reconciliation. I just wonder anymore if the Catholics dont have it right where the Eucharist is the center of life for them...the breaking of the bread. What is the real meaning of Mk 8:21.."do you still not understand?"...yep we keep missing the point dont we.
denalisfire 2 years ago
Absolutely, denalisfire. Absolutely...
Delusional101 2 years ago
It is interesting to note that every religion states the "We have the TRUTH." Our way of thinking, believing, worshiping, understanding scripture or doctrines, dogmas and abstractions are the truth.
We are made in the image and likenes of a trinitarian God who is a triparte in one another that they are One. The real truth is living in right relationship, not a dogma or cereberal concept. . Every religion succumbs to the temptation that we alone have the truth.
denalisfire 2 years ago
It's how you live not what you think.. Its about relationship, relationship with one's self, others, all creation and God. Whaever you do to the least of my brothers and sisters you do to me.
denalisfire 2 years ago
Well yeah, but the Bible is not all-accepting as some like to make it to be. There is ONE way--Jesus said it Himself. If you're referring to denominations within Christianity--yeah, those are pointless to argue about because they're all just ways of living out the same faith..
Spartymusic 2 years ago
@denalisfire "Every religion succumbs to the temptation that we alone have the truth. "
Let's see...In the average person's view, Jesus founded (i.e., represents) the "religion" of Christianity.. So when He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life," He was deluded?
I guess it's like (to quote John Barrowman song): "I am what I am.. I am my own special creation...Life's not worth a d**n until you can shout out loud, 'I am what I am!'" That's the open philosophy of most unbelievers nowadays.
churchmousie 1 year ago
the bible is literal
and at some point we have to be fundamental
about it.
wesCA1 2 years ago
Soooo your going to tell Rob to not criticize the bullhorn guy...by criticizing him??? Really thought that one out huh?
XxklangxX 2 years ago
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Rob Bell isn't anti-repentence! He's anti-bull horn style witnessing. NOOMA: BULLHORN challenges the notion that it is not enough to leave a track in a bathroom stall, and shout hell to passerbyes isn't the way of Jesus. Jesus talked about hell more then anyone in the Bible, but he didn't talk about hell the way a bullhorn theologian did. The point of BULLHORN, is to encourage people to put the pamphlets away and witness with your life showing Christ's love.
forlife01 2 years ago
Here is the problem, we error too far one way or the other. Some believe that God doesn't hate sin, and others believe that God needs help convicting a heart so they put on their armour and swing for the fences. There has to be a genuine connection of love woven with righteousness and neither the bullhorn guy nor the universalist gets it at all.
p.s. be somewhat creative with your response...because honestly, your revolution in christ looks very much like a cheap spin off of Nooma.
forlife01 2 years ago
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forlife01 2 years ago
Love like Jesus loves and everything else will fall into place... You make great points and thank you for making this video. But in all things, love; love like Jesus loved! Thanks you guys!
incredibleblt 2 years ago
I believe if we are going to witness to someone that we need to tell them the whole gospel. We need to tell them about Gods love and Gods hate, we need to tell people that Jesus cares about them, We need to tell them the God hates sin. We need to tell people that because of our sin we deserve hell. But the gift of God is eternal life, He sent His Son to die on the cross cause he loves us. We need to talk about the side of Jesus that he loves and cares but we also need to talk about hell as well
wyrick0 2 years ago
How do you mention those verses about repentance and judgment and totally miss the grace and forgiveness and love that is found there too?
mattman228 2 years ago
i would just like to add that most christians i know love with a motive you my not, but i know i have and i know other christians that do you can't just love people for the sake pf loving them
whatishardcore 2 years ago
your a wanker
whatishardcore 2 years ago
Sad to see you're blind, what Rob Bell does is preaching with a different approach, he's preaching the gospel but how Jesus did, with love and with a revolutionary view, not as the church does it, he's using a tool and that's what NOOMA is about.
hubertbv 3 years ago
What Rob Bell does is preach a different gospel (Gal.1:6-9)
gtrjunky 3 years ago
you should know
nanasareevil 3 years ago
how ?? you run your trap but never give any proofs ? never once do you give any examples .
solapower4100 2 years ago
It's a little too sophisticated for your understanding.
gtrjunky 2 years ago
so that a spin on "general knowledge"?
luvdady 2 years ago
like tbn?
solapower4100 2 years ago
the church is body consisting of parts, we need different bits ie hands and feet, we also need the bullhorn guy and the park bench guy. the both have got a big part to play. i like bell but he should not of put the bullhorn guy down.
bigmanstarkey 3 years ago
I kinda think parkbench guy is in the clear.
duman8 3 years ago
Matthew 6:5-6 (The Message) 5"And when you come before God, don't turn that into a theatrical production either. All these people making a regular show out of their prayers, hoping for stardom! Do you think God sits in a box seat? 6 "Here's what I want you to do: Find a quiet, secluded place so you won't be tempted to role-play before God. Just be there as simply and honestly as you can manage. The focus will shift from you to God, and you will begin to sense his grace.
duman8 3 years ago
This is all good, ya we do need to tell the world where they're headed...we don't need to criticize anyone.there NEEDS to be, NEEDS TO BE Unity though.all us "christians" aren't unified.these response videos show it. Also, Jesus when he did say things as far as repent, he always did it out of love.THats the thing I believe Rob is getting at, Jesus wants us to deliver His message in Love. Jesus was stern towards the pharisees/hypocrites cuz they weren't living the same way they said they were
trueth3r 3 years ago
Bell is crystal clear in his sermons on proclaiming the good news. He jusst hasnt been corrupted by bad (and NEW) american theology that is all about scaring people into the kingdom. Read dallas willard, NT wright, so many others - undo your poor theology.
and4red 3 years ago
You sound so smug with your "Im more educated than you" comment. Maybe you need to read the Bible instead of the works of men and their corrupt thougts about God and salvation. The more proclaiming the Truth the better, even if its with a bullhorn.
livinfree123 3 years ago
my comment is for and4red
livinfree123 3 years ago
wow - wasnt trying to be "smug" and yes i read my bible daily - and study intensely (i co-pastor a church) I hate that i got sucked into silly youtube comment throwing - i simply would love for to know the truth of Bell - but more specifically - the WHOLE gospel.
and4red 3 years ago
sad understanding of what bell was doing - poor understanding of scripture - this is a bit sad. Jesus called his first diciples to go into a city - heal the sick, care for the poor (demonstrate) - and then announce what that is - the kingdom of God (announce)
and4red 3 years ago
That's the "social gospel", not the real Gospel. Feeding the poor is not the Gospel. Jesus told His disciples to preach the Gospel. The Gospel converts unregenerate sinners into followers of Christ. Feeding poor people fills their bellies but leaves them dead in their sins.
What about people who aren't poor who are lost and on their way to Hell?
Bell does not preach the True biblical Gospel.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
youre silly - haha- bell does not preach the social gospel" God called his disciples to demonstrate the kingdom - care for the poor - love your enemies, care for the fatherless and the widow, and declare the kingdom - tell people of who jesus is - and of his truth. you are misguided. Please stop skipping verses in your bible.
and4red 3 years ago
Sorry to inform you that you're wrong, but the Gospel is that Christ died for the forgiveness of sins that whoever would repent and believe in Him would be saved. Bell does not preach the Gospel.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
The good news is not "good news", unless people understand what the "bad news" is first. That ALL have sinned against a Holy God and unless they repent and believe they will face God on judgement day and be cast into eternal hell. Yea, I know we're not supposed to mention "hell" because it's "negative", but it's part of the "whole counsel of God". (Acts 20)
gtrjunky 3 years ago
and4red, thats the typical social gospel. read up on it. its so wrong. the gospel is not feeding the poor. the gospel is focusing on the real condition of man. from sin came every malady we see today. we need to focus on the real cause, not the symptoms,
raphaelaaron 3 years ago
Your might say "that dosen't sound very lovin" I don't care! Jesus stripped and beaten and hung on stick to die ain't very lovin either is it! Love rejoices in the TRUTH! Go tell some one the TRUTH, ALL OF IT AND LIFT YOUR VOICE FOR THE LORDS LOST! God will move and you will see some one saved! God saves!
OpenAirSeattle 3 years ago
Any man that claims to be a Christian and hinders the Commandment of the OpenAir Proclamation is not a follower of Christ! They are deceived and follow a different spirt not the Spirit of the God of the Bible. Freakin idiots that do nothing to seek the lost but condemn those that do and claim they have a new better modern way are saying that theri way is better that the Bibles. FOOLS! You need to repent and surrender to Christ not a man or a church or some system! Wake up!
OpenAirSeattle 3 years ago
Shouting in public is Biblical! Noah,Jonah,Moses,Isaiah,Jeremiah,Ezekial,Joel,Micah,Paul,Peter,Stephan,Timothy, and Jesus all OpenAirPreachers! Shouting and warning of the judgments to come! On and On and On they went every where in the Book of Acts Preaching the Gospel in the public! Read your Bible you enemy of the cross the Lord rebuke you seed of falsehood false converts of the false american christianity! stop hindering the proclamation and go Read your Bible you FOOLS!
OpenAirSeattle 3 years ago
Not only did these people warn others of their impending doom, be it on earth or in death, they did it out of love, and almost always did thye include the grace of God, Jesus especily. I don't think that calling somebody a false christian is helping the cause, but in the same way, not telling people about hell is too, not helping the cause. Perhaps you should stop "hindering the proclamation" and love as well as rebuke. I don't rember in the bible where it says, "go therefore and be a jerk".
wadethebruiserbaker 3 years ago
milk toast all about love nothing else. Wheres the love wheres the grace wheres the love wheres they grace sez the devil duhhh. It's in the cross Wake up! Ye must be born again milk toast! were in a war! Did they not teach you that at that milk toast institution call a "church" you go to?
OpenAirSeattle 3 years ago
okay, I've never heard the term "milk TOast" before, where did that come crom, just wondering. But onto the real point.. They did infact teach that what christ suffered on the cross was out of nothing but pure love for us, and i totly agree. But let me ask, if i were to refer to you as an ignorent christian, who only conems people to hell but does not adress the race of god, what would you say? This is not how i feel, just so you know, however this is how a lot of lost souls veiw what you do.
wadethebruiserbaker 3 years ago
Amen!
shorelineoftahoe 3 years ago
Bell doesn't want people to ignore that sin is death,and certainly doesnt want people hearing half the gospel and growing into oblivous "christians" with a destiny of hell - he wants christians to portray and deliver the message of Christ in an effective manner.Shouting condemnation and selected Bible verses doesnt effect change.Truth delivered through relationship is consistently the most effective and life changing method as I see it.Bell is on the money-may I suggest you watch the DVD again.
shanenp 3 years ago
If you saw a blind man running toward a cliff, would you ask to get to know him more and then watch him run off the edge before you have a chance to tell him to stop, or would you grab him and hold him back with all of your might. A truly loving person would do the latter. People die without salvation every single day. There's a chance that your unsaved friend might not wake up tomorrow morning.
Really, the more I'm with non-Christians, the more I act like them. It's never the other way around.
RaspberryIceT 3 years ago
This is the problem with American christianity. They operate on their feeling and emotions rather than based on the truth of Gods word. shaneeup does not know his Bible he is a product of a lame duck milk toaste gospel given to him by a man that claims he's a "pastor" but has yet to tell him the truth of disipleship and the call to the lost and dying. Blind leading the blind Rob-Bell has a universal agenda. The Bible says that the lost and false converts are condmned ALREADY! Go read your Bible!
OpenAirSeattle 3 years ago
while i agree that Bell is just preaching a universalist christianity and a lot of what he says is crap, i just wnat to know. whats the verse about te false converts, i think you may have a point but i can't find it, do you think you could help me out, thanks!
wadethebruiserbaker 3 years ago
shouting out in the public forum help counteract this?The bullhorn guy is not portraying the message in its entirety either.I am sure Jesus raised his voice and made it known that eternal death is the result of rejecting him,he didn't take sin lightly nor did he ignore or rationalise it out of "love".He spoke to people's hearts,confronted the issue/s at hand and built them up in hope.Tell me one thing-how does the method of a "bullhorn guy" satisfy this example left by Christ?
shanenp 3 years ago
I am not out here saying "yeh you tell him" cos your off the mark also.Does the "bullhorn guy" bellow at passers by with love?Jesus message was always given out of love,not out of religious arrogance or conceit.Even he/she is bellowing out of love,in our society it will be misconstrued 99% of the time and people wont be affected-they will remain closed off and ignorant because noone likes being shouted at.people are nonresponsive for the majority to the message of Jesus and how does a person
shanenp 3 years ago
i find it weird that these bell haters have so much time, energy, and money to spend on these videos, yet there are unnumbered amounts of people in their community still going to hell...Jesus said the workers are few and now not only are their few but they have nothing better to do that be cat fighting
uzziah78 3 years ago
It definately is true that he doesn't mention hell hardly at all.. he does though. and it's true that he avoid's talking about judgement.. he does though. velvet elvis chapter 6
I think its wierd that rob gets picked on.. a lot of people put out videos and don't mention hell, like louie giglio and his indescribable, and how great is our god videos.. i hear awesome praise for those but no hell, no judgement there. yet ridicule here.. i think some people just have it out for this guy.
RealElvishRope 3 years ago
Well done! Amen
JonRaymond5 3 years ago
hee-haw. not even enough balls to call Bell out by name
uzziah78 3 years ago
Bell's a borderline heretic!
TheTruthCanHurt 3 years ago
Borderling?
monkeyboynathan 3 years ago
yah dude um this guy completely missed the point. Rob Bell isn't discouraging preaching the gospel he is discouraging the fact that yelling at people and making urself look like a complete phsyco and claiming u love them doesn't really mix. you have to understand that people don't like being yelled at especially when it's something that they find religious. the reason rob bell says this is because he knows that people make stereotypes and he doesn't want people to think of christians heartless
ElliottOU 3 years ago
Did John the Baptist look like a complete psycho? How about Jesus? And Peter? Paul? Move it up a few centuries. What about George Whitefield? John Wesley? D.L. Moody? Open air preaching became unpopular in the 20th Century due to the slide into liberal theology, and Evangelicals took the bait. But, Lord willing, it's making a comeback in the 21st Century, despite the efforts of quasi-liberals/heretics like Rob Bell!
TheTruthCanHurt 3 years ago
hmm.. I think the speaker here may have missed the main point in Rob's video. People in biblical times may have responded well to judgment day warnings, but today, that's not the case. People respond better when you show them that you actually care about them - and not just shove Scripture down their throats. The bullhorn guy might think he's doing it because he loves others - but all in all, it's just not working.
Downhere08 3 years ago
So the culture dictates the means and not God's word? That's called pragmatism.
Faith comes by hearing the word of God.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
Is the issue "it's just not working," or "I'm embarrassed to be associated with these fanatical, loud 'gospel terrorists?'" Just admit it. Or the issue could be your unbiblical theology. Like it or not, open air preachers have probably the most biblical theology when it comes to man's need for a Savior and what one must do to be saved: Repent and Believe! Wake up and read your bible!
TheTruthCanHurt 3 years ago
I believe God does hate people.....as it is biblical...I don't and haven't ever disagreed with that.
But for the first time I tell someone about Jesus, I myself want to share the Love of God....if you choose to do it another way, thats great, I'm sure it works for you....
And I don't think ANY false converts have come out of Jesus using me to witness.
But have a great day!
jobo777 3 years ago
maybe sooo, but boy am I sure glad there was more than just him out there......and if he was there I'd prefer he just bought me a pepsi and sat down to talk with me about the love of god....still rather than use his bullhorn....
But as I said originally, thats just me....and thats what I feel....
Some people may respond to a more aggressive method.
jobo777 3 years ago
Sure, you're most definitely going to get more people to listen if you're only talking about love, but you're also going to get a bunch of false converts. And sure God is loving, but hes not promiscuous love. You know, God also hates people as well. Check Psalm 5:5- God hates all workers of iniquity. Or Romans 9:13, Jacob have I loved, Esau have I hated. In order to love, you must hate as well. Dont just read your bible, be a student of it.
robertsajvcu 3 years ago
God loves the sinner, but hates the sin? Wrong! God hates the sinner. I don't make this stuff up people, it's in the bible.
robertsajvcu 3 years ago
For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us (Romans 5:6-8).
djbro16 3 years ago
if I was on a street corner and someone was yelling about Jesus, I'd pass right by, now on the other hand, if a Christian came to me and approached it by taking me out to coffee, or just sitting there and explaining it to me, Id be more receptive. One thing that non - christians see in Christians is that there are always two sides arguing about the right way to do it......I personally have never seen a benefit in the bullhorn guy at all, but thats just me, doesnt mean hes doing anything wrong.
jobo777 3 years ago
It's not "safe" to bodly preach the gospel. If you're really preaching the gospel, youre gonna get yourself into trouble. The cross is both beautiful and an offense and it must be both, if we seek to nuder the gospel, or rob it of it's great offense, then it's no longer the gospel we're preaching to people. We're not doing anyone any favors by making the gospel easier to hear, because it ceases to be the gospel.
robertsajvcu 3 years ago
Not only that but I guess you would have then passed right on by John the Baptist in his day.
robertsajvcu 3 years ago
You can't just preach God's love. People these days think that it's all up to them to bring people to Christ through clever methods or even by sugar coating the Gospel, but the elect WILL respond to the gospel. Jesus said in John 6:44: "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. Go read your bible, tons of fire and brimstone. Only preaching love is gonna give you a bunch of unrepentant christians. You must be broken down by the law first before you can experience grace.
robertsajvcu 3 years ago
Bull Horner's don't reflect God's grace. God's grace and God's wrath are both very important.. Yesterday there were bull horners and all these people were just shaking their heads, and laughing and mocking. This is the only side of Christianity they see. Park bench guy has the same conviction. He came to the conclusion because of his fruits. In his Church he reads word for word every word in a book.. HE READS THE GOSPEL BUDDY.. this video makes division in Christ body
djbro16 3 years ago
Yeah, they shook their heads and laughed at Paul when he spoke in the open square at MarsHill. Looks like nothing's changed.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
your video is a bad copy about Rob Bell´s.
How many times Jesus spoke about hell?
Jesus dedicated his life to heal the sufering instead condemn the sin
BEcause of pharisees like you, people do not believe in the gospel.
You speak about Jesus but your words shows ignorance about Jesus, the GOspel and what it really means to be a Christian
kuikomaster 3 years ago
Jesus life was dedicated to glorifying the Father. Part of which was to heal and feed AND TO SPEAK THE TRUTH whether people liked it or not. People loved the healings and the miracles but when Jesus spoke truth they wanted nothing to do with Him and they forsook Him.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
You are right on, I'm experiencing this very
thing in my church. Water the gospel down to much and it just might evaporate.
I, too need to share my faith more and let people know of HIS (Jesus) goodness and HIS wrath. Hell is real, we can forget that as we sit comfortably on our couches, beaches, and air feeled rooms.
brygsxr 3 years ago
I understand this, but i desagree. I agree with Rob Bell's original message.
BuddhaBuddyDave 3 years ago
^^
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alexistrippin 3 years ago
soooo we should approach the car and bang on the windows and scream at the person to stop even if that guy already knows of the road ahead instead of saying "yo, i love you and god loves you lets take another path." lets build a better image of Christians.
elpeaches 3 years ago
How do they know that God loves them?
gtrjunky 3 years ago
By loving them. God draws them, his spirit does.. we can't scare people into believing something. If you read Christ approach to masses, he did not use signs and approach people that disagreed, he spoke plainly in their own language what is the kingdom of God. The kingdom of God is like this,.. it's like that.. Then Jesus would tell them where their part is in it. Bullhorning on a street corner were people get about 15 seconds of information is not an affective way to proclaim the gospel.
djbro16 3 years ago
Jesus and the apostles spoke openly in the public places. Just because you don't think it's "affective" does not mean it's wrong. Hell and judgement are part of the whole picture as well as God's love and grace. Not all open air preachers are the same. Besides, the bible already said that the Gospel would b rejected, not because someone is proclaiming it in the open square but because men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.(John 3:19,20)
gtrjunky 3 years ago
Don't you guys see it? This is the Hell that was spoken of in the Bible. Where we are living right now. We are in Hell. This Earth tries us by fire, This Earth is where there is gnashing of teeth. Don't you see?
We have been judged and came here to Earth according to that judgment.
skipp311 3 years ago
yes you do have to preach the whole gospel. but what Rob Bell was getting at is that we have to approach non believers in a loving manner not with fire brimstone and the pits of hell, thats not going to attract anybody to Christianity. the point of the bullhorn video was to discourage scaring people into Christianity and to bring them to Christ because of his love. read 1st john 4:18. think before you speak out against another brother home boy
WinwardWay 3 years ago
The things we Christians choose to fight over. Rob Bell is a good guy that may be off on some points, but his nooma videos got me back into rebuilding my relationship with Christ... for that I'm grateful. This video was average at best.
kstarheel5150 3 years ago
way to go, Rob Bell is exactly like the false prophets that are talked about in the Bible
crap4crap4crap 3 years ago
Ummmmm, RIGHT ON BROTHER!!!!
drycreekvideo 3 years ago
Modern "christianity" is soft and weak. I know too many christians that rely on "lifestyle evangelism". The fact is, that's not what we're called to do. Nobody is going to get saved just because you buy them a pepsi and listen to their problems.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
well ask em the 5 way to the crapper and make up the facts as you go.
and you can pat yourself on the back, and say oh angry Jebus is gonna get you.
luvdady 3 years ago
Nobody is going to get saved just because you buy them a pepsi and listen to their problems.
worked for Jesus
luvdady 3 years ago
Ok, yes, but Jesus never sceamed at people that they were going to burn forever and ever. Non-christians arent going to listen to someone that is screaming their head off.
ChristianFaithForAll 3 years ago
Ok, I don't think this guy understands that yes, while christians in the FIRST CENTURY explained "the gospel" by preaching on condemnation and judgement it doesn't work today! Rob Bell's point is to show your faith with love for each other. If someone walked up to me and said, because you believe this, you are going to hell! I would be so turned off of whatever he was talking about. We HAVE to find a new way to reach people today and the bullhorn in my opinion is not it.
-Your brother in Christ
JOdom1986 3 years ago
Great point.
Also, perhaps we should stop arguing and work together.
samuelK2008 3 years ago
I am the Lord I change NOT.
jaykarroll 3 years ago
You illustration was not accurate. It was more of a straw man arguement. It's not an issue of love vs. condemnation/judgement, it's about loving someone enough to tell them the whole truth. Even if they are offended and angry, it's not the man, it's the message.
The only difference between people then and people now is the clothing, the language and the technology. People are still sinful and in need of a savior.
gtrjunky 3 years ago
so, every scripture this guy referenced is jesus speaking to jews. jesus, paul, or any of the other first century christians never preached judgement or condemnation to those outside the house of israel. i'm pretty sure he is speaking to those who aleady adhere to mono-theistic ten commandment-centric worldview.
jhpunk 3 years ago
Yes.
samuelK2008 3 years ago
I can see where this guy is coming from, but the point that I think Rob Bell was trying to get across is that people like the bullhorn man, in todays society, can turn people off to Jesus. The 'fire and brimstone' message worked during the Great Awakening, but that was in the 1700s. Its different now. Sin and Hell and judgement are very much a part of what I believe. But i think ONLY preaching about them (what the bullhorn man does) will scare non-believers away.
aabaseball03 3 years ago
Both sides to this issue have extremely valid comments. There really is a time for everything. It is easy to misconstrue points, misquote, and really just flat out not know the whole story. Let's keep looking at both sides, balancing them as we are led by the Lord. Just as Jesus did.
lou296 3 years ago
I know a pastor who was speaking at a church while on a mission trip. several days after he spoke he was called out by a bullhorn guy and told he was a sinner and going to hell. just so happened the bullhorn guy was the pastor of the church that my friend spoke at. he was soo cot up in the moment that he didnt recognize my friend until it was much too late! I am thankful of the bullhorn guy's willingness to speak out since only 2% do but sometimes they need to spread love and then truth.
Jmccullers88 3 years ago
You say "I don't think it's helping the cause of the gospel by criticizing the bullhorn guy."
Aren't you criticizing the parkbench guy? I don't think that's helping the cause of the gospel either.
And before I hear another person criticizing Rob Bell and his Bullhorn video, I want to hear one story about a person who came to believe in a loving, forgiving Christ because of someone screaming at them through a bullhorn on a street corner.
Nice try guys, but mocking Rob Bell doesn't help
meresurmise 3 years ago
thank you, thats exactly what i was going to reply.
i think before we start preaching at each other, we need to be consistent in what we're preaching
kattiswaycool 3 years ago
show the world who Christ truely is.
rushmore24 3 years ago
You do realize that you are comparing an apple to a fish sandwich right? But a side from that, Jesus has the authority to take such action and we don't. Justice belongs to the Lord, Jesus' disciples didn't form their own whips and join him because it was not their place and neither is it ours. We are to love Mercy and Gentely restore. We are called to be witnesses of Christ, not to preach damnation but forgiveness and love. I pray that your heart be softened by the Lord so that you can
rushmore24 3 years ago
One man eats meat another vegetables, to one man everyday is sacred, to another it's just another day...do not pass judgement on disputable matters. This brings division. The same Christ died for us all. The eye and the hand are different members of the same body.
Bussiahn 3 years ago
Rob bell doesnt say the bullhorn method is from Hatred...you cant jsut put words in his mouth. Rob bell said Jesus bnever went around yelling at people to repent or burn for eternity, he showde them love. In your example of the adulteress Jesus didnt tell her to stop sinning until He first showed her the incredible Mercy and Love of God. Love is the Greatest commandment also. The bull horn method turns many people away. if you scream about how bad people are they'll probably turn away
lajjulian 3 years ago
your silly. telling someone to not critique another person while sharing their faith... while ... critiquing another person for sharing their faith. lol
looker94 3 years ago
business up front; party in the rear....
nice mullet.
bigalporter 3 years ago
how bout you get a haircut hippie men should look like men!! how bout you put on a pretty little dress and preach you hippies! why you should also put on a suit and tie !!
now what good did that really do? Jesus Gospel was one of compassion he spoke rarely of hell less than 5 times(and most of the time that was to the religious folks and the body parts were talking of adultry I see your point and i see the nooma side of things
I say God is not angry just yet
the gospel IS the power unto..
luvdady 3 years ago
salvation
in my opinion we are to be Christlike right.... so what did Jesus do
he threw arms around people he didnt yell at them with turn or burn. no he said I like you lets chill together let me tell you whats up! Jesus loved the samaritans the minority of the day,the lepers,tax collectors .
Jesus even loved Saul! look at acts!
ch 10(36,38especially) peter preaching peace and good news never mentions hell!14:grace not wrath 26 :22 paul says nothing of hell
so grace+mercy not wrath!!
luvdady 3 years ago
Good job guys.
roller1290 3 years ago
I wonder what GOd could do in this world if we spent half as much time trying to live as Jesus taught instead of arguing with each other--just a thought, not taking either side of this arguement. i beleive Jesus taught us to love one another first and foremost, which includes All the gospel. I think the point is how you convey Gods message of love--and it is a message of love--to the world.
JDGATEWOOD 3 years ago
the core message of the gospel is to love,listening to people,comforting them in times of sorrow,being a friend to them,praying for them, and telling them the "good" news of the gospel that god loves them and is with them, not by striking fear into their hearts and making them feel bad, or guilty,and pushing them further away from god, why would they want to know god it makes him sound terrifying, jesus came to break down these images of god please dont rebuild them, pleeease GOD IS LOVE!!!!!!!!
jonnypea 3 years ago
Sir in love, you are wrong! I loving tell you you are wrong, because the Bible says so. Without fear there is no wisdom, your love without makes people stupid toward God. Read Matthew 10:28, your calling Jesus a liar. Pleeese kill your idols man!
JoaquinJB 3 years ago
excuse me but no im not calling god a liar atall i love god with all my heart god is amazing,but there is a big difference between fear & awe,awe is 2 b amazed at God,at his power his majesty his creation,his "friendship" with us,but if u are living in fear of god then u dont know who god is,fear is real yes,we are human and we are afraid of many things,but dont make people afraid of god is what im saying,thats why it constantly says in the bible do NOT be afraid i am with you,god bless u!
jonnypea 3 years ago
What have I said that is not love? The great concern I have for my fellow man who is lost and Gods wrath is upon him (John 3:36) Is it not love to tell someone the truth even if I am rejected, did not Jesu warn of hellfire several times to the sinner, better to cut off your hand and pluck out your eye Mt 5:29-30. True love will tell the truth, the wrath of God is terrifying, friends don't let friends remain ignorant of hell. Bell does because he does not belief in a literal hell.
alleywaystudios 3 years ago
god bless u,i see i am gonna get nowhere in the conversation with you so i will pray for you,oh btw i rebuke your comment about the wrath of god being upon me,and that im lost,cheers anyway tho,im human,and weak,and i have faults we all do,but i atleast know that god accepts me as im,& for that im grateful,with his help i can try to love him & love like him & bring his message of "GOOD NEWS" to people who need to hear it,p.s.i think u should try not judging people try accepting them as god does
jonnypea 3 years ago
John 3:36 said Gods wrath is upon those who don't know hrist, that applys to me,u the world, not trying to point at you, we are all lost and wretched, sorry if I made that unclear. The good news is that we all deserve hell, but God in his grace and kindness saved us, thats what makes grace so AMAZING!
alleywaystudios 3 years ago
Rob Bell and his foll