Just listened to your review - I play Lizardmen (8th), and have never ever won a battle against VC. In 2000p a Konrad+Witch King along with a horde of Grave Guards totally annihilate my army (a lot of Killing Blows...), no matter how much magic I have. Along with some skeletons that cant be killed (since you ressurect them) that lock the good units, a necromancer and a last unit of Ghosts (Banshees?) I cant do anything. And dont forget the fact that you cant run - ever... I feel sad.
lol at HE lizards can destroy them. slann domenates magic and use it to buff your troops. despite asf and re rolls to hit HE wont knock out a unit of saurus. if slann takes lore of life HE should just forfit
You say, rightly, that Warhammer shouldn't be about one army being able to wipe the floor with the others. But equally, it shouldn't be a case of 'you must take x in order to be competitive'. Each unit or 'build' has strengths and weaknesses, so rather than succumbing to groupthink and 'cookie-cutter' lists perhaps we ought rather take the units we like and rely on our generalship to see the day through.
8th was made to make chaos even stronger. chaos has always been too strong. one chaos warrior ws6 i think. if it has a shield 3+ armor save plus marks of chaos with extra saves or attacks. all close combat armies got a power boost the rest got screwed. you say playing against vampires isnt fun playing against chaos isnt fun and damn right frustrating. i don't play anymore because of the unfairness in the rules
Basically the top tier armies were high elves, empire, daemons and possibly lizardmen, warriors of chaos or dwarfs. I'm not sure about the last few but i've heard lizardmen can be nasty and i've seen nastiness from dwarf shooting. Empire, daemons and high elves are the most overpowered armies i've played though. If you don't have the right equipment to face high elves you will lose. Suck on scorch, warpfire throwers and plague you high elf assholes!
I'm thinking of a Vlad and Konrad von Carstein combo... I think they did nerf the VC army a little too hard... (you can tell I'm a VC player). I do think that some regular vampires (NOT LORDS) should be placed as support (magic attacks). Just an idea. =p
Vampires are not nerfed! For god sake so what skeletons are nerfed that's why you take mass crypt ghouls instead and remember to take advantage of ethereal units but not to take the tomb banshee they vampires are still top tier in my eyes
yet by turn 2 (considering i get second ture) i should be able to charge with the 20" fly rule, help with it if u want (upgrade wise) so far its aroung 600points so 3000points would be a good thing for it (25% 750points on lord and/or hero)
@somedude773 Ok, to be honest the dragon will die quick, it has poor saves and crumble will kill it and your lord, for a much better use of what is 600 points take a lord, give him hatred, red fury, dread knight, blood drinker, armour of destiny and Luckstone and put him in a unit of 6 blood knights, they will chew through almost anything and he will keep the unit alive by causing wounds, best thing you can do and the points are about 100 more but it won't get cannon balled either.
VCs are a top tier army in 8th, ok so not as retardedly overpowerd as thay were in 7th but still in the top of the table along with skaven, dark elves & high elves. in fact in the storm of magic games thay are just plain nasty to face off against. Oh and about the comment that says HE players have no skill & skaven play with skill, BULLSHIT, skaven are just cheep tricks & vast amounts of them. HE take tactics to kill units without loosing their high point troops at the same time.
@HereticDuo VC are a good army, the problem is we have lost the bloodlines and become the book of Von Carstein's, there is no longer a count option and everything we have is over priced, we have a couple good things but have no real variety in the army you can use and hope to win, most of our troops are over priced as it is and after they removed the old rule that made vamps immune to crumble we have been suffering, all we have is forbidden lore to help in Storm of Magic (next post)
@HereticDuo But now we can be taken as a pack and anyone can summon small amounts of troop[s from any army easily and a vampire pack to take the cream of the crop with upgrades and leave the crap we have to deal with what do we really have any more, everyone can summon and not have to pay our prices and out top level spell in our main rule book and in storm of magic is a joke.
I disagree with his comments about blood knights over black coaches... the black coach's ability to drain magic is so much better + blood knights are still horribly OP
@ZOMGie3895 Blood Knights are allot weaker than they should be, They have Less initiative than a Chaos Knight and 1 less armour, yes they have 1 more strength but the Chaos Knight but the Knight gets a free +1 strength weapon, all other stats are almost a mirror but wait, they don't crumble and cost 15 points less..... Oh Yeh and the box of 5 will only cost £18.50 compared to the Blood Knights that are £61.50, not posable and are rare instead of special...... Sound fair.......... >:(
i like your video alot i was thinkg about making my undead army goblin themed thought that would be cool lol, but i was jsut curious are the vampires worth playing? i mean i have the skaven dwarfs and high elves, and i was just curious if they are stil lworth playing also if i did make them would you say all skeleton core or all ghoul core , or maybe even all dire wolf core jsut curious about your oppion
i used 2 necromancers and a VC my last game...Not good at all, they only ate up my points and only channeled one dice out of 4 turns. I just gonna take a level 2 vampire hero at smaller points games and just use him to cast. Good thing about VC is that they can cast necro spells as many times as they want even if dispelled.
As a vampire player I think people need to stop whining. Yes vampires can't spam magic anymore, but they have not been nerfed the only way to stop being able to cast invocation is if you get less then a four vampires are still very good for example, look at the vargulf 175pts for a terror causing thunderstomping no flanks or rear having monster that's also a vampire they are still brilliant people need to stop bitching and just think tactically with them and you will surely pwn stuff with them
@HammerWaaagh how do you run them? i've played against a 2400 point wood elf player that took 2 treemen, a mage & 10 units of glade guard , that amount of firepower eats up most armys very quickly, he allmost won against my VCs, i was lucky & able to settle for a draw with a last minute treeman death & watched him wipe the floor with a deamons of chaos army. glade guard & treemen are both ace in terms of ponts cost, the rest of the book its not so much thay suck as its thay cost too mant pts atm
@HereticDuo best thing I can say is take a ghoul back bone with a few good casters with at least on in vamps for danse macabre, poison will deal with hard foes with little armour and weight of attacks on heavier stuff when you have re rolls but GG is what you need with great weapons on bid foes, one thing to consider is GG with flaming sword of ruin from fire, its a plus one to your roll so anything you have is going to be a 2 at strength 6 so you will be wounding and killing blow on 5's and 6's
OK, well I've been playing for a few months now and I found summoning zombies to surround your enemies and using the curse of years and winds of undeath. Also, the point of the game isn't to make an unbeatable army, it's about having fun and maybe winning some cash on the side.
You people are fucking morons. VC can easily beat High Elves if you use the right tools. Quit being a bunch of whiney retards and learn to play. Maybe if you stop getting your advice from random internet sites?
@pvthudson01 You are either playing a really shit High Elf player or you are trolling... 40 BS 4 longbow shots then when you reach them 50 ASF high WS attacks against overpriced skellies? A half decent HE player can decimate anything now, all they need to do is bring 2x 50 seaguard and 40 white lions and they just rape everything
just starting my vamps up again...just came across this thing. I do agree...when an army always wins or is top winning army than a new rules come out-- people cry because now they are losing instead of winning and it brings down their average. Also-- magic is still heavy in the army, every vamp is still a caster-- giving that flexiblity. For high elves, do things like -3 leadership than banshee wail on them ;P
When you pay for fear for every single model in your army, and that gets nerfed, your army gets nerfed. Magic is easier to stop, also, with fewer wizards.
gw are shit at game balance. They are a decadent company not ready for the ultra competitiveness of people who are ery experenced at the game or people spreading the broken stuff etc. The game is not designed for tournaments. If you want that play warmachine.
I agree that it's excellent that they aren't over-powered any more.
No army should be like that, and I know a couple still are (I've seen what a single Skaven plague spell can do), but from what I can tell the balance of things has shifted.
skaven are the top tier by a long way, with probably empire 2nd, as ppl have gotten used to 8th then high elves are slipping a little down the table, still very high up but not as great as people were saying at the dawn of 8th. VCs started about mid table but have sadly slipped down lower, thay needed a nerf but what thay have done really screws them over too much & instead of just taking off the top army to make the game even thay just replaced them with game breaking skaven.
@wargamepainting Skaven are a decent army. I've heard people placing a bunch of armies in tiers and vampire counts and skaven were placed in the middle. Bretonnia was on the low end. Ogres are probably much better with 8th esp. with the recent army book and new stuff. Same goes for tomb kings. Orcs are about the same but possibly not as good. It's hard to say the arachnorok is kind of nasty but night goblins are the real wrecking force in orcs and goblins armies.
@wargamepainting What a load of horse $£!%, use High Elves and I'll batter you with even Vampires. Swing ur puny 12 attacks, I'll swamp you with a return 30 attacks, you'll save so many with 5+ save... High Elves still require skill! Stupid comment like this really show you inexperience!
@wargamepainting Sad thing is that's entirely true. If you don't outshoot or out-magic high elves you will die to their melee. A horde of 40-50 high elves are hard to approach unless you have an insanely hardy melee force. I'm thinking warriors of chaos or knights could stand up to high elves pretty well. The one good thing about facing elves is their armor is very low and their leadership is about average. Mass shooting will take them out.
@paintingismylife i think skeletons because they have a 5+ save...ghouls only have T4 which is good...but ehhhhhh. Also skeletons can get spears and with the horde rule thats just awesome 40 attacks if they get charged
Ghouls are the better choice, They have no saves no, however they have more attacks, higher toughness so less wounds in the first place, they have poison and take down most foes due to it, the bigger the bestie the better and to top it off you have Ghoul Kin so you get a free march move at the start which is perfect for armies that have no shooting and want to get across the board quick, yes skeletons get saves but its a 1 in 3 chance and a parry/ banner but they can not cause the wounds.....
@paintingismylife Needed in combat and will end up losing alot more troops due to crumbling, whats better after all?..... auto wounds on anything or weapon skill 2 troops at strength 3?....... Tomb Kings Skeletons are the same but can get buffs, they are however half the points for a reason..... without buffs they are rubbish where as ghouls are good all round, and just to Clarify, ghouls in horde also get 40 attacks but if they get re rolls from danse macabre even more auto wounds. :D
I don't get why people complain when things get nerf'd...I think that you are correct they saw a problem after the fact so they felt they had to fix it. I so you liked an army now they made it so the army isn't as strong..
GW doesn't care how you feel about your play style as much as they care about money...you don't like VC post 8th go start a new army...
A common argument in my area was start a VC if you think they are too good...now its start a different army if you think they are nerf'd
Been a while since i've talked to you man... A long while... So whats up? - I play Skaven and Vampire Counts too, however, I play Skaven more often so I dont know alot about the VC
Thanks for the shoutout. Although I disagree that VC will be up there in Tier 2 with DE, HE, Empire and Dwarves. There are alot more armies that have slingshot'ed over VC. Also lookup the new changes to the VC errata, GW sneakily changed it after the the original revision, giving VC a new rule called Unstability which takes away Regen and Ward Saves to crumbling wounds. This is a big hit to the Black Coach, Vargaulf and Regen Banner.
@Yanda911 ah very interesting. In comparison this isn't nearly as bad for VC as it is for demons. This just makes the vargaulf and black coach less of a choice and more leaning towards Bloodknights (most likely because GW wants to sell lots of them and for $90 for 5 why wouldn't they) how ever this is a very good point. The regen banner hurts...but i still think tier 2. ill find out tomorrow over the course of 2 or 3 games.
Simple answer. NO. Alittle longger:- So many armys took hits and got gains, Persoanlly i think its a good thing that vampire counts got alittle took back but they have some of the best magic arsenel to choose from!. Freeking epic! Their still teir 2 at least honestly... For the simple reason of slap heavy characters and now 25% heros YAY! Magic is still darned effective in the new ed so i belive that vampire counts are still effective and you will still se them at GT's
Vampire Counts new codex came out and, as a VC player, gota say they have gotten a major buff
ForgeOfTheAbyss 1 month ago
GW has forsaken WoodElves
commandervulkan 1 month ago
ghouls are a high elves nightmare especially with always strike first and reroll to hit. DEATH!
Bowsie369 1 month ago
new vampire counts codex ftw
exwilly 1 month ago
if you wanna win, play Skaven... :D
Lokasena 3 months ago
Just listened to your review - I play Lizardmen (8th), and have never ever won a battle against VC. In 2000p a Konrad+Witch King along with a horde of Grave Guards totally annihilate my army (a lot of Killing Blows...), no matter how much magic I have. Along with some skeletons that cant be killed (since you ressurect them) that lock the good units, a necromancer and a last unit of Ghosts (Banshees?) I cant do anything. And dont forget the fact that you cant run - ever... I feel sad.
Lugoffo 4 months ago
lol at HE lizards can destroy them. slann domenates magic and use it to buff your troops. despite asf and re rolls to hit HE wont knock out a unit of saurus. if slann takes lore of life HE should just forfit
Costlyadditiction 4 months ago
You say, rightly, that Warhammer shouldn't be about one army being able to wipe the floor with the others. But equally, it shouldn't be a case of 'you must take x in order to be competitive'. Each unit or 'build' has strengths and weaknesses, so rather than succumbing to groupthink and 'cookie-cutter' lists perhaps we ought rather take the units we like and rely on our generalship to see the day through.
SirDanielHayesMBE 5 months ago
8th was made to make chaos even stronger. chaos has always been too strong. one chaos warrior ws6 i think. if it has a shield 3+ armor save plus marks of chaos with extra saves or attacks. all close combat armies got a power boost the rest got screwed. you say playing against vampires isnt fun playing against chaos isnt fun and damn right frustrating. i don't play anymore because of the unfairness in the rules
stethespaniard2 5 months ago
Basically the top tier armies were high elves, empire, daemons and possibly lizardmen, warriors of chaos or dwarfs. I'm not sure about the last few but i've heard lizardmen can be nasty and i've seen nastiness from dwarf shooting. Empire, daemons and high elves are the most overpowered armies i've played though. If you don't have the right equipment to face high elves you will lose. Suck on scorch, warpfire throwers and plague you high elf assholes!
FlamingKillamajig 5 months ago
I'm thinking of a Vlad and Konrad von Carstein combo... I think they did nerf the VC army a little too hard... (you can tell I'm a VC player). I do think that some regular vampires (NOT LORDS) should be placed as support (magic attacks). Just an idea. =p
URUdderRandomness 6 months ago
I know someone who relies on magic in 8th with his VC... He's never lost a game
TheMrLegenddave 7 months ago
Vampires are not nerfed! For god sake so what skeletons are nerfed that's why you take mass crypt ghouls instead and remember to take advantage of ethereal units but not to take the tomb banshee they vampires are still top tier in my eyes
ciaran222 7 months ago
yet by turn 2 (considering i get second ture) i should be able to charge with the 20" fly rule, help with it if u want (upgrade wise) so far its aroung 600points so 3000points would be a good thing for it (25% 750points on lord and/or hero)
somedude773 7 months ago
hey dude i was at my local GW and came up with a vampire lord such as this
-zombie dragon
-frostblade
-shield
this is just the base for it and i also dont play fantasy so much so yea
they said that it would probably be targeted by cannons which i find a-tad bit intimedating
somedude773 7 months ago
@somedude773 Ok, to be honest the dragon will die quick, it has poor saves and crumble will kill it and your lord, for a much better use of what is 600 points take a lord, give him hatred, red fury, dread knight, blood drinker, armour of destiny and Luckstone and put him in a unit of 6 blood knights, they will chew through almost anything and he will keep the unit alive by causing wounds, best thing you can do and the points are about 100 more but it won't get cannon balled either.
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
VCs are a top tier army in 8th, ok so not as retardedly overpowerd as thay were in 7th but still in the top of the table along with skaven, dark elves & high elves. in fact in the storm of magic games thay are just plain nasty to face off against. Oh and about the comment that says HE players have no skill & skaven play with skill, BULLSHIT, skaven are just cheep tricks & vast amounts of them. HE take tactics to kill units without loosing their high point troops at the same time.
HereticDuo 7 months ago
@HereticDuo VC are a good army, the problem is we have lost the bloodlines and become the book of Von Carstein's, there is no longer a count option and everything we have is over priced, we have a couple good things but have no real variety in the army you can use and hope to win, most of our troops are over priced as it is and after they removed the old rule that made vamps immune to crumble we have been suffering, all we have is forbidden lore to help in Storm of Magic (next post)
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
@HereticDuo But now we can be taken as a pack and anyone can summon small amounts of troop[s from any army easily and a vampire pack to take the cream of the crop with upgrades and leave the crap we have to deal with what do we really have any more, everyone can summon and not have to pay our prices and out top level spell in our main rule book and in storm of magic is a joke.
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
they're doing quite well in the current campaign
zakdroid 7 months ago
I disagree with his comments about blood knights over black coaches... the black coach's ability to drain magic is so much better + blood knights are still horribly OP
ZOMGie3895 8 months ago
@ZOMGie3895 Blood Knights are allot weaker than they should be, They have Less initiative than a Chaos Knight and 1 less armour, yes they have 1 more strength but the Chaos Knight but the Knight gets a free +1 strength weapon, all other stats are almost a mirror but wait, they don't crumble and cost 15 points less..... Oh Yeh and the box of 5 will only cost £18.50 compared to the Blood Knights that are £61.50, not posable and are rare instead of special...... Sound fair.......... >:(
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
i like your video alot i was thinkg about making my undead army goblin themed thought that would be cool lol, but i was jsut curious are the vampires worth playing? i mean i have the skaven dwarfs and high elves, and i was just curious if they are stil lworth playing also if i did make them would you say all skeleton core or all ghoul core , or maybe even all dire wolf core jsut curious about your oppion
codenamedwarfboy1 8 months ago
I thought it was lame when I first picked up skeletons, saw they had ballistic ability but later learned that no unit in the VC army has ranged.
They did get nerfed, yes. They might still be good to go, though, but in my tournament, my VC army is 0 wins, 3 losses.
BonedocGlobal 8 months ago
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i used 2 necromancers and a VC my last game...Not good at all, they only ate up my points and only channeled one dice out of 4 turns. I just gonna take a level 2 vampire hero at smaller points games and just use him to cast. Good thing about VC is that they can cast necro spells as many times as they want even if dispelled.
johnkerry7 8 months ago
As a vampire player I think people need to stop whining. Yes vampires can't spam magic anymore, but they have not been nerfed the only way to stop being able to cast invocation is if you get less then a four vampires are still very good for example, look at the vargulf 175pts for a terror causing thunderstomping no flanks or rear having monster that's also a vampire they are still brilliant people need to stop bitching and just think tactically with them and you will surely pwn stuff with them
ciaran222 8 months ago
i still play wood elves and you are right! the wood elves suck now so i'm kinda needing good combat and stuff
HammerWaaagh 9 months ago
@HammerWaaagh how do you run them? i've played against a 2400 point wood elf player that took 2 treemen, a mage & 10 units of glade guard , that amount of firepower eats up most armys very quickly, he allmost won against my VCs, i was lucky & able to settle for a draw with a last minute treeman death & watched him wipe the floor with a deamons of chaos army. glade guard & treemen are both ace in terms of ponts cost, the rest of the book its not so much thay suck as its thay cost too mant pts atm
HereticDuo 7 months ago
@HereticDuo best thing I can say is take a ghoul back bone with a few good casters with at least on in vamps for danse macabre, poison will deal with hard foes with little armour and weight of attacks on heavier stuff when you have re rolls but GG is what you need with great weapons on bid foes, one thing to consider is GG with flaming sword of ruin from fire, its a plus one to your roll so anything you have is going to be a 2 at strength 6 so you will be wounding and killing blow on 5's and 6's
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
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NOOOOOOO....... BLOOD IS FOR THE BLOOD GOD NOT FOR DRINKING!!!!!!!
BrotherTarkus 9 months ago
OK, well I've been playing for a few months now and I found summoning zombies to surround your enemies and using the curse of years and winds of undeath. Also, the point of the game isn't to make an unbeatable army, it's about having fun and maybe winning some cash on the side.
volk1308 10 months ago
WoW Wrath of the lich king music!
mofos4 10 months ago
You people are fucking morons. VC can easily beat High Elves if you use the right tools. Quit being a bunch of whiney retards and learn to play. Maybe if you stop getting your advice from random internet sites?
pvthudson01 11 months ago
@pvthudson01 You are either playing a really shit High Elf player or you are trolling... 40 BS 4 longbow shots then when you reach them 50 ASF high WS attacks against overpriced skellies? A half decent HE player can decimate anything now, all they need to do is bring 2x 50 seaguard and 40 white lions and they just rape everything
ZOMGie3895 8 months ago
I think The Blood Drinker and Tomb Blade might come into play more, you'll be able to bring guys back without having to rely on magic
bigjimswafflehouse 1 year ago
purple sun battery pack is a good tactic for vc just reshape armylist to new rules
jshaw5000 1 year ago
just starting my vamps up again...just came across this thing. I do agree...when an army always wins or is top winning army than a new rules come out-- people cry because now they are losing instead of winning and it brings down their average. Also-- magic is still heavy in the army, every vamp is still a caster-- giving that flexiblity. For high elves, do things like -3 leadership than banshee wail on them ;P
theclash24 1 year ago
Bit of a strange question, I guess, but might I ask what the music in the beginning of this video is?
VeritechAlphaBeta 1 year ago
@VeritechAlphaBeta I think its from Lotr the movie or somethin´:)
EmpireMate 1 year ago
@EmpireMate It's actually from the game Dragon Age Origins... it's the opening song i belive.
Ryota233 1 year ago
When you pay for fear for every single model in your army, and that gets nerfed, your army gets nerfed. Magic is easier to stop, also, with fewer wizards.
Units are going to be cheaper in the next update.
humansRpepul2 1 year ago
gw are shit at game balance. They are a decadent company not ready for the ultra competitiveness of people who are ery experenced at the game or people spreading the broken stuff etc. The game is not designed for tournaments. If you want that play warmachine.
TrippleH655321 1 year ago
I agree that it's excellent that they aren't over-powered any more.
No army should be like that, and I know a couple still are (I've seen what a single Skaven plague spell can do), but from what I can tell the balance of things has shifted.
xAnggulx 1 year ago
skaven are the top tier by a long way, with probably empire 2nd, as ppl have gotten used to 8th then high elves are slipping a little down the table, still very high up but not as great as people were saying at the dawn of 8th. VCs started about mid table but have sadly slipped down lower, thay needed a nerf but what thay have done really screws them over too much & instead of just taking off the top army to make the game even thay just replaced them with game breaking skaven.
HereticDuo 1 year ago
the necromancers are 55pts
ushabti1 1 year ago
Omg they completly messed VC up. i think they shouldnt of haddroped them down that much
batistasbomb9 1 year ago
Good bye Vampire Counts, hello High Elves
bigjimswafflehouse 1 year ago
uhh arent all armies supposed to be balanced
what i understand from this is that if u play with VC against HE your just fucked.
right?
jelmersaur 1 year ago
@jelmersaur im kinda sorry to say that unless you have a solid shooting army playing HE is going to be a problem for any army
wargamepainting 1 year ago
@wargamepainting couldnt i just spam magic attacks?
cause the VC dont have ranged attacks for as far as i know :/
jelmersaur 1 year ago
@wargamepainting I'm thinking about getting Islands of Blood. Would you reccomend HE or Skaven?
Zspear234 1 year ago
@Zspear234 well if you want to win 99% of your games with out skill go with HE or if you want to win 90% of ur games with skill get skaven
wargamepainting 1 year ago
@wargamepainting Skaven are a decent army. I've heard people placing a bunch of armies in tiers and vampire counts and skaven were placed in the middle. Bretonnia was on the low end. Ogres are probably much better with 8th esp. with the recent army book and new stuff. Same goes for tomb kings. Orcs are about the same but possibly not as good. It's hard to say the arachnorok is kind of nasty but night goblins are the real wrecking force in orcs and goblins armies.
FlamingKillamajig 5 months ago
@wargamepainting What a load of horse $£!%, use High Elves and I'll batter you with even Vampires. Swing ur puny 12 attacks, I'll swamp you with a return 30 attacks, you'll save so many with 5+ save... High Elves still require skill! Stupid comment like this really show you inexperience!
THEYELLOWDARTkyle 4 months ago
@wargamepainting Sad thing is that's entirely true. If you don't outshoot or out-magic high elves you will die to their melee. A horde of 40-50 high elves are hard to approach unless you have an insanely hardy melee force. I'm thinking warriors of chaos or knights could stand up to high elves pretty well. The one good thing about facing elves is their armor is very low and their leadership is about average. Mass shooting will take them out.
FlamingKillamajig 5 months ago
What do you think is the best to use in 8th edition? Ghouls or Skeletons?
paintingismylife 1 year ago
@paintingismylife i think skeletons because they have a 5+ save...ghouls only have T4 which is good...but ehhhhhh. Also skeletons can get spears and with the horde rule thats just awesome 40 attacks if they get charged
wargamepainting 1 year ago
Ghouls are the better choice, They have no saves no, however they have more attacks, higher toughness so less wounds in the first place, they have poison and take down most foes due to it, the bigger the bestie the better and to top it off you have Ghoul Kin so you get a free march move at the start which is perfect for armies that have no shooting and want to get across the board quick, yes skeletons get saves but its a 1 in 3 chance and a parry/ banner but they can not cause the wounds.....
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
@paintingismylife Needed in combat and will end up losing alot more troops due to crumbling, whats better after all?..... auto wounds on anything or weapon skill 2 troops at strength 3?....... Tomb Kings Skeletons are the same but can get buffs, they are however half the points for a reason..... without buffs they are rubbish where as ghouls are good all round, and just to Clarify, ghouls in horde also get 40 attacks but if they get re rolls from danse macabre even more auto wounds. :D
DukeDanseMacambre 6 months ago
I don't get why people complain when things get nerf'd...I think that you are correct they saw a problem after the fact so they felt they had to fix it. I so you liked an army now they made it so the army isn't as strong..
GW doesn't care how you feel about your play style as much as they care about money...you don't like VC post 8th go start a new army...
A common argument in my area was start a VC if you think they are too good...now its start a different army if you think they are nerf'd
PhoenixIgnite 1 year ago
Been a while since i've talked to you man... A long while... So whats up? - I play Skaven and Vampire Counts too, however, I play Skaven more often so I dont know alot about the VC
BlackLegionPainting 1 year ago
I think that, more than ever, corpse carts essential
bigjimswafflehouse 1 year ago
again....i never played/relied on summoning of zombies, massive amounts of skeletons was my plans.
johnkerry7 1 year ago
Great Review
doremicomBlog 1 year ago
i don't think they got nerfed i have played them for years but they aren't as good as they once where... but doc are fucking retarded now!
evildevo714 1 year ago
Thanks for the shoutout. Although I disagree that VC will be up there in Tier 2 with DE, HE, Empire and Dwarves. There are alot more armies that have slingshot'ed over VC. Also lookup the new changes to the VC errata, GW sneakily changed it after the the original revision, giving VC a new rule called Unstability which takes away Regen and Ward Saves to crumbling wounds. This is a big hit to the Black Coach, Vargaulf and Regen Banner.
Yanda911 1 year ago
@Yanda911 ah very interesting. In comparison this isn't nearly as bad for VC as it is for demons. This just makes the vargaulf and black coach less of a choice and more leaning towards Bloodknights (most likely because GW wants to sell lots of them and for $90 for 5 why wouldn't they) how ever this is a very good point. The regen banner hurts...but i still think tier 2. ill find out tomorrow over the course of 2 or 3 games.
Thanks for the comment man.
wargamepainting 1 year ago
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Yanda911 1 year ago
Simple answer. NO. Alittle longger:- So many armys took hits and got gains, Persoanlly i think its a good thing that vampire counts got alittle took back but they have some of the best magic arsenel to choose from!. Freeking epic! Their still teir 2 at least honestly... For the simple reason of slap heavy characters and now 25% heros YAY! Magic is still darned effective in the new ed so i belive that vampire counts are still effective and you will still se them at GT's
Number1GamerAsh 1 year ago
interesting vid , look forward to ur battle report :), oh hey did u like the game i gave u a link to?
underfire987 1 year ago
Thx
gamer762 1 year ago
i play Vampire counts, and i dont feel sorry for those who played needing to rely on overpowering with magic.
I always played them with magic in the back-burner.
johnkerry7 1 year ago
I never liked them due to the fact that there is barely any real vampires.
sargentnoob 1 year ago