The Ten Inquiries

[iamaevilmutantmonkey]

i have a answer to why angels feel pain and how angels do battle, in "paradise lost" (i know, im a nerd) he put pain there as a punishment for the angels rebelling, and forced 1/3 of his angel supporters to fight the 1/3 that was rebelling. he basically punished all angels for the decision of 33.3 percent of them. if you want to read the book its "paradise lost" by john Milton and it was published in 1667.

[MinionOfDeth2112]

Truely moving... both the text and the music.

[aidanyoubetterreply]

got some good points goin on man.

im jewish, and i have to agree with u.

im pro-gay, anti-slaves and obviously hating on hitler. but yeah, why the fuck would he prosecute gay people...they like men and they are men...big fuckin deal.

thanks for makin this vid man.

[VampiricArchangel]

I think you should probaly do one of these on Norse mythology. Maybe even Tribal Native mythologies. Hell, probably even should go after the Far Eastern cultures as well...

The Anti-Christian/Catholic has enough people on it's bandwagon. If we are trying to rid the world of religion and ignorance, we should really start going after other beliefs as well. Unless you don't mind religion and ignorance, and in that case this is all pointless... And that's a Sad Face Moment.

[ookamichi4089]

AH! your a genious! (i know im not that great at spelling.. -_-) but you have the sme views ive been trying to express for a while! like, why do all the religions have different views? they cant all be right.. and how did the idea of god appear when theres no physical proof, i think the people long ago, before science, were scared of the unknown and wanted an answer they could understand. but now we have answers! we dont NEED a simple soultion anymore. anywho, great video. ^.^

[sierraMamaProd]

Thanks - I reread the Bible. But now when someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, I remind them of Leviticus 18:22. (I live in California.) I want to sell my daughter into slavery since she gives me a lot of headaches. I remind her it's sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. Finally, I often see persons working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 states they should be put to death. My boss wants me to work every weekend so I know what I will do to him today.

[freddiejnr1]

AAAH! John Lennon for the duration im in heaven?

I dunno if this has been raised before, but this seems like a pretty athiest argument, how could God be self contradictory, and make people NOT believe in him? Also, what does he look like, if oyu saw him? And are you sure it wasnt just your house going on fire, instead of the 'power of god'.

[immortalvampiress]

Hell yeah, i totally agree with this man. =]

[andreasheinz]

If an atheist believe god is a human invention, so wtf he shouldn't think the same about "satan"?

[Philosophobia]

Ummm, no. You can't be an Atheist and believe in Satan, as you will have to agree with the story that God made Satan. So, I don't know what you're referring to?

[iXneedXaXhug]

"Ummm, no. You can't be an Atheist and believe in Satan, as you will have to agree with the story that God made Satan. So, I don't know what you're referring to?"

I think they were saying that if you were Atheist, believing God is an invention of the human mind, would you not also think the same of Satan? Which you probably would...

[andreasheinz]

"Satan" by god's creation is not evil. "Satan" with free will (fallen angel/djin) is not god's creation. Either way it solves the problem of theodicy. You can't escape the evil "murdering god" (nietzsche).

iXneedXaXung got it, you and orthodox religion hold the same believe: The evil has no independent being, but is only a lack of being or lack of the good (privatio boni) (Augustin, Thomas von Aquin). From 2nd till the 17th century this remained indisputable.

[iXneedXaXhug]

{Con.3 Yeah, you're tired of hearing me talk/type. Last one, promise}

Many also don't even know about the Lost Gospels, or know little and reject them as fake without understanding. And the whole 'God those that wrote the Bible what to write'? Well, he may have told them what to write, but does not free-will come into play? How do you know that any of the men that wrote the it didn't make any changes?

Anywho, good vid/questions. Thanks for posting. {I would write/complain more, but I'm lazy~}

[Philosophobia]

"Well, he may have told them what to write, but does not free-will come into play?" -Free will can't exist with an omnipotent, all knowing, perfect God who is everywhere. So, Christians, Muslims and Jews shoot themselves in the foot right off the bat.

[iXneedXaXhug]

"-Free will can't exist with an omnipotent, all knowing, perfect God who is everywhere. So, Christians, Muslims and Jews shoot themselves in the foot right off the bat."

Well, to me it can and it can't. There's your point saying that if God knows everything ect., then you honestly could not do that of your own free will because He is the one controlling you. That is true. But that can also be disputed by saying while He knows what you're doing/what you're going to do, He lets you do it anyway

[Philosophobia]

" while He knows what you're doing/what you're going to do, He lets you do it anyway" -True, but this falls apart quickly once you bring rules and punishment into the mix. Now, one could say that he lets you screw up, but when he deliberately comes up with rules that he KNOWS you're going to break, that is just cruel and setting you up to fail. ie, why put the tree of knowledge in the Garden when he already "KNEW" they would eat from it. Or why "test" Abraham, or give 10 plagues to the Pharoah

[iXneedXaXhug]

Yes, but you have the free will to change your mind at the last moment.

And the reason why he "tested" Abraham {the one who was supposed to kill his son?} was to see if he was willing to do anything He asked of him--which he was, only God stopping him at the last moment.

You could also say the punishments were to teach said person a lesson for disobeying the rules.

[Philosophobia]

"Yes, but you have the free will to change your mind at the last moment." I was going to clarify this more, but youtube's commenting system is so slow. But my point is that God would have already known what Abraham would choose to do. It's impossible to change your mind at the last moment to trick God. You see what I mean? God would know that you would change your mind at the last moment to trick him. He knows all, Not just all up until the last second.

[iXneedXaXhug]

-And very odd, I believe, the way they're set up.

Yes I know that, but though you are not proving it to God, could it also be that it is God proving to YOU what you would do, showing you your weaknesses and teaching yourself the lesson that needed to be learned?

Also, off topic of free will, but I just wanted to mention it: 666 was the address of King Nero, one of the largest prosecuters of the Jews, and they thought of him as Satan, so it stuck.

Just wanted to say that.

[Philosophobia]

But what would he be proving to Abraham? God asked him to sacrifice his son, to prove his faith, but Abraham already knew his faithfulness. Why is that a virtue to be proven to one's self? Or also the story of Job. God tried to prove a point to Satan, and already knew what the outcome would be, what did Job learn? That Job was faithful to God, even though he already knew that? Or the ten plagues, why didn't God just wipe out the first born instead of the first 9 plagues?

[iXneedXaXhug]

What if Abraham *didn't* know the true extent of his faith? He was fairly indecisive up until a point--at least he was from how I read it. And Job could have possibly learned "God giveth, & he taketh away", & he also could've learned that faith is rewarded in the end. He got all that he'd lost back in, what, twofold or something, didn't he? That showed his faith was recognized.

And He wiped out the first born last to possibly show the Pharoah {?} far He was willing to go for HIS chosen people.

[Philosophobia]

Eh, fair play to your responses, although I strongly disagree. To say that the whole bible is a hidden moral lesson back on itself is kinda faulty I'd say, when the whole point of the bible is to devote yourself fully to God and God's rules. I don't think the God illustrated in the bible cares much for the people learning for themselves, but just being blind followers. I still so no practical reason why God would need to prove the faithfullness of the people to themselves. I could just see...

[Philosophobia]

" while He knows what you're doing/what you're going to do, He lets you do it anyway" -True, but this falls apart quickly once you bring rules and punishment into the mix. Now, one could say that he lets you screw up, but when he deliberately comes up with rules that he KNOWS you're going to break, that is just cruel and setting you up to fail. ie, why put the tree of knowledge in the Garden when he already "KNEW" they would eat from it. Or why "test" Abraham, or give 10 plagues to the Pharoah

[iXneedXaXhug]

{Con.2--Yes, I fairly realize that I'm ranting/monologuing.}

I happen to have studied more that many students in my school, and therfore happen to know more. Half of them do not know about Lilith, Thatica, or even about Mary M.'s true nature, ect., ect.. {That is, if they truly existed, for I'm neutral in belief, neither positive nor negitive}, yet they claim that they have the ultimate belief. How can you have pure, unadulterated belief in God, when you have not studied everything?

[Philosophobia]

"Yes, I fairly realize that I'm ranting/monologuing" -lol. It's all good. Get it off your chest.

"Half of them do not know about Lilith" -The story of Lilith is awesome. I'm not familiar with Thatica though.

"for I'm neutral in belief, neither positive nor negitive" -To me it all boils down to evidence. I used to be Agnostic (still am kinda) But while it's good to be open, being open to the point where you acknowledge an infinite # of possibilities begins to make little sense.

[Philosophobia]

...Are you also agnostic towards Santa claus, the Easter bunny, the flying spaghetti monster, aliens made out of pudding, three eyed leprachauns, the all powerful six headed donkey, and manbearpig too?

To me, Atheism and agnosticism can co-exist. Like I could be open (agnostic) towards someone saying there's an invisible pink elephant at my door right now. However, you would have to prove it to me before I believe you, and this is where Atheism comes in.

[iXneedXaXhug]

*Gasps* Lyke, omigod how did you know?!

Lol I kid, I kid, but as I mentioned before, I can't honestly reject everything in the Bible as untrue, but I can't flatline say eveything is. I can defend/attack--for lack of a better term--either side. {But unfortunately, I find myself doing the latter more often than not..}

You do have a good example, however, and it did make me laugh. ^^

[iXneedXaXhug]

Well then..The button returns *after* I send the message. Whoops. Lol

Perhaps I should have waited a minute or two.

[iXneedXaXhug]

*Laughs* I try~

Oh, Thatica's story is wonderful, really, but it would go over the 500 character limit many times if I were to tell the whole thing. Basically she's traveling with a disciple, I think, and he's asinine and constantly refuses to baptise her, meaning he finds her unworthy. She gets in trouble with two different cities' officials--they want her to marry them, and she publiclly humiliates them; anyway, in the end she baptises herself and God accepts it; I find it fascinating.

[iXneedXaXhug]

"-To me it all boils down to evidence. I used to be Agnostic (still am kinda) But while it's good to be open, being open to the point where you acknowledge an infinite # of possibilities begins to make little sense"

True, you do have a point, but I've studied to where I've come to a point where I can't disprove everything or say that it's not true, but I can't exactly go "OMIGODILOVEGODSOMUCHEVERYTHIN­GINTHISBOOKISALLSO,LIKE,FREAKI­NGTRUEDIEANDBURNIFYOUDON'TBELI­EVE!" or anything really like that.

[Philosophobia]

"True, you do have a point, but I've studied to where I've come to a point where I can't disprove everything or say that it's not true" -I take it you've studied more theology than science??? If so, if you study science, and combine it with the bible, you can quickly see that the bible's just a man made story. It would literally take a MIRACLE for the bible to be real. Not to mention a whole lotta misdirection on the part of God to fool us. And I don't see why God would be wile E. Coyote.

[iXneedXaXhug]

*stopped, not stopping. Sorry

Well, a lot of things in the Bible are parables to be read and to learn from, but also many things in there are *supposed* to be miraculous--to show His power and to show you who you are to worhip. If there were no miracles showing that He was a higher being rather than someone "normal", many less would worship Him.

And give an example, please, so I can know which incident you're reffering to in how He misguides us.

[Philosophobia]

The speed of light disproving the 6,000 year geneology set in the bible as it takes light from stars 10,000+ light years to reach us the further they get. (I think 10,000 is the closest star, but there are others that are billions of light years away)

The bible says that the Earth is the oldest thing in the universe and that the stars were all made after the Earth, which we also know to be false.

Dinosaur fossils and many other animals being deeper underneath homosapiens in the ground...

[Philosophobia]

(cont'd)

...which the bible gives no explanation of where the thousands of species of dinosaur went. (the bible also says that both animals were made a day before and after man, yet there's plenty of species that went extinct before us in mass extinctions)

The moon craters on the moon showing a time when the inner solar system was bombarded with asteroids - also NOT in the bible.

The Earth taking more than 6 days to form. & Noah's Ark being impossible, to name a few. There's many more.

[iXneedXaXhug]

"-which the bible gives no explanation of where the thousands of species of dinosaur went." Yes, but the Bible tells mostly about Jesus' life, does it not? The story of creation is possibly only there to tell of God's power, & possibly something man threw in there for explanation in his time. {Truthfully, I favor Evolutionism over Creationism, so I can't really argue with you there.}

[iXneedXaXhug]

{Con.}

"The moon craters on the moon showing a time when the inner solar system was bombarded with asteroids - also NOT in the bible."

The Bible only tells of the main creation & then it goes directly to Earth and stories of people.

"The Earth taking more than 6 days to form."

How is the Earth taking 6 days to form impossible?

"& Noah's Ark being impossible..."

[iXneedXaXhug]

{Con2}

Again I ask, how is this impossible? If you were to have divine grace helping you, all the animals contained, enough food and water to survive on, & a well-built ship, how is it impossible?

[Sack42]

Yet to tell you about Hercules with a hydra, you'd dismiss it as untrue. Knights of old slaying dragons? Fantasy stories. See the trend? Stories from history are oftentimes embellished in order to make them seem more amazing. Why is the bible any different? Just look at the contradictions, even in jesus' life story. Furthermore, look at what they left out, it's even more ridiculous. Talking snakes making women eat fruit to damn us all? Seriously?

[iXneedXaXhug]

"The speed of light disproving the 6,000 year geneology set in the bible as it takes light from stars 10,000+ light years to reach us the further they get." How do you know God did not light the world during that period of time?

"The bible says that the Earth is the oldest thing in the universe and that the stars were all made after the Earth, which we also know to be false." How is that false? {Just curious} Perhaps they could have been made directly after the Earth?

[iXneedXaXhug]

{Con.}

This, of course, makes me laugh most of the time because I think little of their views of me, but it does irk me that when I try to debate points with them; those at my school, for the vast majority anyway, shove it away vehemently and do not backup their points with rational explanations. They do not question what they are told and take everything in the Bible as pure fact that in no way can ever be disputed or you will {metaphorically} be burned at the stake, despite whatever you say.

[iXneedXaXhug]

*Laughs* I thought this video, frankly, was awesome, and I don't care if I'm neg'd for it. It asks a lot of questions I believe many people around here where I live--the "Bible-Belt" of America--should try to answer, as they've been spoon-fed most of the stuff they believe in their entire lives, and therfore condemn those who do not agree. I, myself, am a self-proclaimed Agnostic, and therefore have been told I'm going to burn in hell, and most here lump me together with Atheists and Satanists.

[Philosophobia]

"and most here lump me together with Atheists and Satanists." - I never got this either. You can't be an Atheist and believe Satan exists, otherwise you'd have to acknowledge that God created him.

[commify]

Way to pair a Violent Femmes song with two terrible songs.

[Philosophobia]

Way to give me your unwanted opinion on music.

[andreasheinz]

"I rather die before i worship your 'god'" (the zeitgeist radical us-american atheist)

ROFL, this slogan had been used some 2000 years ago.

[glitterxgutts]

i felt this was very anit-religion. -__-

i'm not religious, but it's pretty hipocritical to tell people that they may be wrong. I say, let whoever believe what they want, it's not hurting anyone.

My creed is, "everything you know is wrong", anyway.

[Philosophobia]

You don't think religion hurts anyone? Wow.

And it is wrong if you believe in fairy tales that goes against everything we know against the REAL world, that tell people to stone to death disobedient children and gays.

And I don't claim that I know everything, I just know the bible isn't/shouldn't be it.

[Woodcuttersaxe]

And by the way.. God doesn't necessarily punish. This is where the saying "What goes around comes around" comes in. God doesn't see you rob someone then says "Oh you're not doing that, I'm going to make someone shoot you" or however you interpret it..

Every choice you have comes with a consequence. But with that consequence ALWAYS comes a gain of something.

Consquence of you making this video: Christian blabbering..

Gain: A little more to think about...

[Philosophobia]

"And by the way.. God doesn't necessarily punish. This is where the saying "What goes around comes around" comes in. God doesn't see you rob..."

You have no idea what "God" wants more than anybody else. Even in Christianity there are dozens and dozens, even hundreds of ways to interpret the bible. The Christian God is just one speculation in an INFINATE amount of possibilities. God DOES punish if you read the bible. He blackmails you with Hell if you don't stroke his ego.

[Woodcuttersaxe]

There is always that one Christian that steps in... to make an arguement.. then we fight over religious beliefs.

Usually the athiest always has the best defending statement, leaving the Christian baffled. I know why..

Thats God's way of saying that that person has made his choice, telling him/her anything now will not change anything. Sadly it doesn't.. it just leads to fighting and bickering.. hince the world today.

[Philosophobia]

I'm trying to get people to question why they believe in fairy tales, written by ignorant men over 2,000 years ago. There's as much reason to worship santa claus as there is Jesus, yet one gets more unwarranted respect than the other.

[foxracemx32]

Summery: If there is no God: We die  If there is a God: Eternity

So what does it hurt to believe? If your wrong, you end up the same as everyone else anyways.

[ImadouchebagNIlikeit]

i love these arguments because they expose the truth. as sad as it may be that there is no god, and there is no afterlife, it is what it is, we just have to deal with it the best way we can.

[Philosophobia]

That's the attitude I think everyone should have. Just shrug your shoulders, and create a philosophy of life rather than a philosophy of afterlife. Nobody should be irrationally committed to 1 possibility in an infinate number of possibilities. Nobody knows for sure, so why pretend that we do?

[NekoVio]

Hm, I don't nessicarily believe everything that's stated in this video, and I surely don't follow many of your logical bounds. However, I do agree with your sentiment that humans as a race need to think about and make their own choice as apposed to blindly following beliefs that they simply believe because their families or the people around them believe. Favorited.

[xSnortingxAshesx]

This video is brilliant. These are the arguments I've made with religious people many times over. There is an explaination of why people believe as they do. A theory has been proposed over whether people seeking religion is a part of evolution. Hopefully we'll evolve some more and get past that promitive insticnt of "someone's watching over me" and all that bs.

Great video, great songs.

[Philosophobia]

I too believe that, while I don't like where it's taken us as of this moment, that religion was a necessary step in our evolutionary process. Which is ironic since Christians reject evolution. But for the last 2000-10,000 some odd years, the developing human brain, which is the only that can ask where we come from and why we are, needed a reason to live, and explain things that they couldn't yet understand.

[Philosophobia]

But as time went on, we have discovered those answers, and revealed more about our world, universe, environment, and our roots. So, religion really just served as a bridge, to get us from living in caves to now. But people are starting to realize that since we have so much knowledge of our origins and the universe, that primitive ideals don't need to apply to us anymore.

[Philosophobia]

Hell, Atheist's didn't even really start to come out since about the last 500 years or so, since Galileo was put under house arrest for saying the Earth revolved around the Sun. And there's more Atheist's/Agnostics/freethinki­ers today than ever before, and growing. So, maybe in another 500 years, religion will be significantly decreased to the minority. (If Muslims and christians don't kill us all first that is)

[Matur1n]

He's omniscient. He knows if an Atheist is going to be an Atheist. You can't punish someone for doing what you already knew they would do ... "

Atheists should just stay away from the word "omniscient". It isn't a word used in the Bible. One of the primary stories of the Bible is our free will and the choice we have to make and our freedom to do so. So whatever limitations that places on "omniscience" are there. Whether God chooses not to know, compartmentalizes his knowledge or whatever.

[Matur1n]

I punish my kids if they get into the cookie jar w/o permission, even though I often know what they are going to do before they do it. If parents can know, God surely can. It is still disobedience.

[Philosophobia]

Well, if you don't want your kids getting in a cookie jar, unless you're dumb, you'd take precautions to prevent it. God takes no precautions now does he. If he didn't want gays, he wouldn't make them. If he didn't want Adam & Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, why put it there. God's pretty stupid then.

[Philosophobia]

& if God's NOT omniscient, then how'd Jesus "know" Judas would betray him, or peter would deny him if there's "free will"? And they still did, even after they knew about it. More stupidity.

[Woodcuttersaxe]

I totally understand this, but God is not stupid. You know how adults tell you not to do something but they know you're going to do it anyways? They've been there and they know... They don't want to punish you, but you know they aren't going to listen, so you punish them. BUT with punishment comes gain, you need to see that. With all punishment comes knowledge not to do it again, thats why He punishes..

[Philosophobia]

But your parents aren't omniscient. You're using the usual "cookie jar" Christian defense, ie. A parent knows their child will steal from the cookie jar, but they punish them anyway. However, a truly intelligent person would take precautions to prevent such an undesired occurance from happening. God takes no precautions, ie he put a tree that he didn't want anyone to eat from in the garden. Well, if he didn't want anyone to eat, why put it there? He KNEW they would eat, thus condemning mankind.

[Philosophobia]

The same with a parent. Perhaps they'll put the cookie jar on top of the fridge, hide it, lock it up, NOT BUY COOKIES!, etc. Guns are the same way. The tree of knowledge was like a loaded gun. However, truly loving parents with brains would take precautions so that their children can't get to it. When PEOPLE have more common sense than your "omniscient and perfect" God, then you have to wonder why you're calling him God in the first place.

[Matur1n]

You ask what God has done to make him worthy of worship? Is creating the universe not enough of a feat for you? What more would you expect than that? Also, you said God was "lying"? Exactly what do you allege that he lied about? It wasn't in the video, then you kinda spring that accusation.

[Philosophobia]

Yeah, God created us, just so we could kiss his ass, or punish us for all eternity. If God never would have created you in the first place, then you wouldn't care if you were alive now would you? God's an asshole, And God didn't create the universe the way the bible says.

And I said the PEOPLE who WROTE the bible were lying. If God really wanted us to believe in him, why ask people to write a book. He could just come down to us himself.

[Philosophobia]

And God did lie though. He told Adam he would die if he ate the fruit, which he didn't. Unless of course you count it 900 years later.

There's also dozens of contradictions in the bible.

[Matur1n]

How is that a lie? Before Adam ate the fruit Adam wouldn't die. After Adam ate the fruit he would and did die. Your idea of what is a lie is very strange.

[Philosophobia]

If Adam was able to live forever anyways, then why did God put the tree of life in the Garden, and prevent Adam from eating from it?

[Matur1n]

The tree of life is a concept in Revelations, not in the Garden of Eden. The tree in the Garden of Eden was the Tree of Good and Evil. Adam and Eve were innocent before that, didn't even know nakedness. He warned them not to eat from it. They did it anyway. You may not like the whole setup, but I still don't see where you find any sort of lie at all.

[Philosophobia]

lol. Ummm... no.

Genesis 2:9 - In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 3:22 - And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.

[Philosophobia]

You don't even know what your own bible says. Maybe, if you actually read the bible, you'd see how much bullshit it is. Instead of just arguing over it out of habbit, from being brainwashed your whole life.

[Matur1n]

"If God really wanted us to believe in him, why ask people to write a book. He could just come down to us himself. "

That would defeat the whole purpose of us being here. We are outside the immediate overwhelming presence of God so that we can choose between good and evil. Free will. God wanted companions that freely chose him. Makes sense to me.

[Philosophobia]

How conveniant. Even though he spoke to Adam, Eve, Cain, Abraham, Jonah, Moses, etc. all directly and wants us all to be his slaves. And if God creates all and knows all, how does freewill exist? What an asshole to punish people for being the way you made them, and doing exactly what you already knew they were going to do.

[Matur1n]

Again, he made you with a choice and you freely choose. Atheists have trouble understanding the concept of free will. But the story of the Bible is we have it. He made us where we could choose either good or evil, we aren't preprogrammed for either one.

[Philosophobia]

Okay, so if you held a gun to someone's head, and sad "now I'm gonna pull the trigger, but if you die, you'll be punished for all eternity", then that's a choice if they die or not? God knows EVERYTHING you're already going to do before hand. He's omniscient. He knows if an Atheist is going to be an Atheist. You can't punish someone for doing what you already knew they would do and for being the way you created them.

[Matur1n]

Why are you so arrogant to think it is safe to assume I haven't given much thought to my religion? Given all the atheists on YT that blindly parrot the latest Dawkins book, it would be a lot safer to assume that an atheist hadn't given much thought to their beliefs.

[Philosophobia]

Ummm, most Atheists believed in a God at one point. The only way to be an Atheist in the society we live in today is to be open minded in the first place. There's more evidence against the bible than for it. No one can prove that THEIR God is the "true" way.

[Philosophobia]

And you talk about parroting Dawkins, but I became an Atheist by doing this thing called, thinking for myself. I was an Atheist before I ever heard of Dawkins. He just has a lot of good points, and THINKS, which is why Atheists like him.

[Matur1n]

"doing this thing called, thinking for myself"

Good for you. It is still arrogant to assume that religious people haven't done the same. Most religious people I know give a lot of thought to their religion. Maybe some Catholics who are more culturally Catholic than religiously Catholic don't. But those in nondenominational Bible type churches give it a lot of thought and study.