What evidence is needed for biblical miracles? How about starting with independent documentation of the miracles? Didn't more than one person witness these miracles? How many historical documents independently confirm them? Oh. Only one document: that book without an author's name attached to it that must be true because it says it's true.
Anybody notice that there's no magic anywhere now? Why so much magic 2000 years ago and absolutely none today?
which is why the amazingatheist says that the miracle jesus did was he fed them inadequate amounts of food. Very true...you can't feed 5000 people with that little food.
I for one doubt that the jesus from the bible ever existed, the virgin birth, savior myths had been going around for a long time before the time of jesus... so just based on that I think its safe to assume he was just the most recent itteration of this myth.
@nukepwetty I have heard of Carthage, but only in passing, or vaguely. Unlike u i am not afraid of the truth. ok tell me what u know about Carthage. By the way my favorite author is GK Chesterton, u never heard of him have you....
I'm not talking about some random author, I'm talking about an ancient civilization. Carthage was Rome's rival during it's earlier history. Perhaps you've heard of the 3 Punic Wars, Hannibal, the Battle of Cannae, or the Battle of Zama? Rome isn't just a city you know...
@nukepwetty i am not talking about some random author either. I was talkin about
GK Chesterton. If you read GKC he will change your life!!!! yes i knew Carthage was super important, no i never heard of the 3 punic wars yes on Hannibal no on the other two battles. Yes i know Rome is more than a city. I live in Calif. Just got back from Rome Aug 20...
@PInk77W1 An author I've never heard of? That would qualify as a random author in my book. Hannibal was the most famous Carthaginian general, handing Rome one of it's worst military defeats at Cannae (and created an idiom) before being defeated at Zama. All during the 2nd Punic War.
@nukepwetty GK Chesterton is one of a kind. There are videos on youtube about him. He wrote about 50 books... two of which are classics. THE EVERLASTING MAN..... and... ORTHODOXY... these two books changed my life. Do a wikipedia search on him at least. I knew Carthage was famous, i just didnt know what for. Im pretty sure the catholic church has a "council of carthage" too
I doubt that. The ancient civilization of Carthage was destroyed after the third Punic War after the Battle of Carthage. The city was completely destroyed, 450,000 of the 500,000 inhabitants were supposedly killed and the rest enslaved. The Romans could sure hold a grudge back in the good-ol'-days.
@nukepwetty i will check, the church has had 20 or 21 councils in the last 2000yrs. Vatican ll being the last. what year was this last war and the destruction?
@nukepwetty true the vatican as we know it today didnt exist then but the vatican today exist for one reason and that is the will of the pope. And yes the pope in the person of St Peter did exist 2000yrs ago give or take a couple of years..
I don't consider that to be the beginning. They couldn't possibly of set up shop until after Constatine made it less illegal (and punishable by death). That places it around 300, maybe.
@nukepwetty we have a list of popes all the way to peter. we have letters, we have documents we have stories handed down generation to generation. The first 50 or so popes were martyred. Jesus told peter, "Thou art peter and upon this rock i will build MY church and it shall not fail." ...... and it has not failed.. No it was not a big business like it is today, yes the "essence" was and its the same as today. The catholic church is the only entity on earth that goes back to Jesus.
My (and your) comment was pointless, meaningless, and had absolutely nothing to do with the video. I really don't give a damn about the Vatican, whether it survives or not. My attempt at trolling kinda turned into a history lesson...
@nukepwetty is seems strange that u care about Carthage which by all accounts doesnt exist, but u dont give a dam about the vatican which by all accounts does exist. In fact the vatican is its own country and has more priceless junk than u can throw a stick at. I just got home from the vatican aug 20. Or in the word of Lenin "how many divisions does the vatican have anyways?" Lenin is now gone. the vatican is now present
What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you broke God's law(you shall not lie, steal, etc.)written on your heart. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for sins, His burial & resurrection)you'll not perish & have eternal life!
@rickybarningham@rickybarningham Human history is filled with all sorts of claims with hundreds of witnesses. God like men healing the sick, raising the dead, and resurrecting were a dime a dozen in the days of Jesus.
That does not matter though because the new testament is a copy, of a copy, of a copy...... Who knows what the originals had written in them..... For all we know, it is completely made up and there were no witnesses of these things at all.. Chances are, someone is being fooled.
@rickybarningham Human history is filled with all sorts of claims with hundreds of witnesses. God like men healing the sick, raising the dead, and resurrecting were a dime a dozen in the days of Jesus.
That does not matter though because the new testament is a copy, of a copy, of a copy...... Who knows what the originals had written in them..... For all we know, it is completely made up and there were no witnesses of these things at all.. Chances are, someone is being fooled.
@rickybarningham Human history is filled with all sorts of claims with hundreds of witnesses. God like men healing the sick, raising the dead, and resurrecting were a dime a dozen in the days of Jesus.
That does not matter though because the new testament is a copy, of a copy, of a copy...... Who knows what the originals had written in them..... For all we know, it is completely made up and there were no witnesses of these things at all.. Chances are, someone is being fooled.
This caller is a breath of fresh air. I don't agree with a word that comes out of his mouth, but he's clearly an intelligent, thoughtful person. Good video.
Atheists are so stupid! Logic and science is bullshit. If you were really so smart, you would realize that the bible clearly says that the bible is true, thus meaning that the bible must be true. Gosh!
@1danyol1 I don't see how you can say, " logic and science are bull shit " if it was not for science and logic then you would not be watching this stream, you would not have the internet in the first place and you would not even have a computer to watch or send this message on in the first place!!! If it was not for science and logic (which one would not work without the other anyway) then we would stil be in the stone age, and just because the bible sais it's true, it does not make it so!
@1danyol1 Did you really just say that logic is bullshit?! Are you fucking kidding me? Would you like to know what I think is bullshit. People actually believing that there is a supernatural being that watches every move that we make and if we do not do exactly what he tells us to do, he would send us to "hell". That is what I call bullshit.
@1danyol1 It's not the bible claiming itself to be true, the people that wrote it claim that it's the truth. The bible is nothing more than a bunch of words. The bible is an inanimate object and inanimate objects don't make claims one way or the other. People make claims. So, the people who thumbed this ignorant comment up, do not live in a rational reality, when they believe a BOOK is actually talking to them. That's called insanity.
Satan HATES God & wants as many people as he can get to turn against God so he can destroy their souls .Satan knows he's going to lose his war with God & he's really worried about that - don't fall victim to Satan, rebuke Satan & all evil outloud~!!! Seek Christ, through Him seek your redemption before God - pray and repent; confess your sins to God through Christ and beg God's forgiveness for your sins to obtain your salvation~! Fight Satan with Christ~! Prepare your soul as the end is upon us!
@itarethetroll the problem is, this guy sounds around 10000000 times more intelligent. its not difficult to do this, i mean a house mouse is more intelligent than VFX. lol
Right. at 7:46 Paul as a mass murderer is described as the one to get divine revelation because he is the kind who gets things done? As immediately opposed to the host who apparently can not convert millions.
So the qualification for divine revelation is being able to kill masses? Or less strongly, to coerce masses? or what exactly?
If divine governance is to be taken seriously, especially given the latter testament teachings (at least the popular ones), how would that work?
@uolola It appears God favours mass murderers. Also, Paul did not ask for forgiveness. It is only until after God appeared to him that Paul was 'saved'. God took the initiative and 'forgave' Paul in advance (so it appears) because he needed the guy's help converting more followers. I don't know who's the more morally bent, the mass murderer or the God who forgives the guy who's killed so many of his precious followers. Of course, it's his plan. He wanted Paul to kill his sinful chosen race?
If you need to see if God is real, you need to get on your knees & to sincerely ask God to reveal himself to you if he is real. Believe me, he has "no problem" doing this. I challenge you to do this this week. Have you ever actually tried this? Have you ever really read the Bible w/out being prejudiced? Just sit down & read it - cover to cover as you ask God to reveal himself to you. Try it :-)
It's good to see a reasonable christian x atheist debate without a fuckhead saying shit and arguing. It's a rare thing to find.. a good intelligent discussion
religion is nothing more than a delusion. those who suscribe to this dillusion often times have vested interest which makes it very difficult to be tolerant of other points of view.One can say that atheists fit that definition but with majority of people believing in one religion or another, I say that refusing to believe in god is not generally in ones good interest.
@tempemonkey2323 You cant see God, its the same as you want to proof love to the one you Love, but she cant see it. You have to tell her and MAYBE she will take it as something serious. (MAYBE - stands for Atheists).
Its kind of a Feeling, Atheists dont feel it but the ones with Religion do feel it that there is a God.
@tempemonkey2323 Its not a Try, its just to tell you and share with you what i feel by reading that you guys say that were lying, or believe in Santa or a Rainbow with Money on the end...
You have to love God by giving you a Life and a Soul. But it was just something to let see you what i meant, it doesnt mean God is your wife. >.>
Dont you Atheists come with weird Theorys? Well i come with these.
Your Soul has to Control you Body, but with you its that your Body Controls your Soul. Peace.
@MrDrakulaS What wierd theories do we have? Do you see any illogical claims that we atheists make?
Soul? What do you mean my body moves my soul? Do you have any good reason to believe a soul even exists? Do psychologists and neurologists posit that a soul must exist in their experiments or does it seem that all we are is a physical brain? Again, you provide no evidence or reason for any of these things, only wishful thinking...
Some people choose truth over wishful thinking and good feelings.
@tempemonkey2323 I really will never understand you Atheists, my friends do no nothing about it and you are always saying the opposite of what i say. :/
Youre just looking the Science way, i look the way i do just leave it, i only tell what i no, i dont want to hear that it is bullsht or something.
@MrDrakulaS You say you know about god? Knowledge as classically defined is a true, justified, belief. Justified as in evidence..... So, if you know god exists, where is your evidence..... Everything I believe meets this criteria.
You Christians always want to leave an argument when you start loosing and you just throw your hands in the air and say, "no one really knows, we all use faith.... Science is a kind of religion.... Wrong, wrong WRONG!!!!
@MrDrakulaS Im sorry, but an extraordinary claim with no evidence is illogical, wrong, irrational, or bull shit..... Call it what ever you want, it is what it is.....Otherwise, cough up the evidence....
Your little argument that shows we dont have evidence of other minds (that is we cannot prove love) does not show that science and religion rely on the same methods... Science, observation, and reason are the ONLY methods for truth.....
You are too afraid of being punished by god to question..
@tempemonkey2323@tempemonkey2323 Just an observation here . . . You said, "Science, observation, and reason are the ONLY methods for truth." What scientific experiment did you do to reach this conclusion? You see, the argument is self-refuting . . . the same as if I told you, "I don't speak a word of English." Obviously I do because I just spoke to you in English. Your statement cannot be verified scientifically. Any self-refuting statement is, by definition, false. Sorry for your luck.
@bestvalue Im not too sure what kind of sophistry you are pulling here but if you think we can get knowledge without using the scientific method then I would like to hear what that method is.... If you don't think that science gives us any understanding about reality then I think you are deluded......
Little games like saying you cannot prove science with science will not get you far.... Why would I want circular reasoning anyways???
@tempemonkey2323 I didn't say science doesn't give us any understanding about reality. But you said science is the ONLY way to gain understanding. But you can't verify that statement scientifically so, by your criteria, it is false.
Another example would be to say "there are NO absolutes." But that in itself is an absolute statement and is self -refuting. This is very sound reasoning. Check any logic book. I don't think you realize the folly of what you are saying.
@bestvalue Again, tell me one other method, other than science, that gives us understanding?
There may be other ways, but we don't know them.
By the way, there is a debate in philosophy about what you are proposing about these self defeating statements... Other examples include, every claim must have possible falsifications (this is Karl Poppers criteria for science, and its self refuting, and people still accept it).
@tempemonkey2323 That's a very good point about Popper. I never thought of that before. So you see what you've done is proven that all of science is not based on scientifically verifiable facts but on philosophical assumptions. BTW - those assumptions came from the idea that the Creator was a God of order. All the major branches of science were started by theists.
It's cool how you managed, in one post, to not only falsify your original statement but all of science as well. Way to go. :^D
@bestvalue So you are saying that because science grew out of a superstitious tradition then that superstition must be true? Or that science must be false? Even though there is no evidence for the superstition... You are a special kind of stupid... Congratulations.
Yes, science is based on a philosophical assumption that is VERIFIED by experience.... This verified assumption says that science is the only method to gain knowledge
Because you are so specially stupid we have gone full circle.
@tempemonkey2323 No, I'm not saying religion is superstition or that science is false. What on earth makes you think there is no evidence for the "superstition" as you call it? I have plenty - and not from personal experience - from logic, reason and science.
Thank you for admitting that science is based on a philosophical assumption. It takes a big man to admit he was wrong. You have earned my respect.
@tempemonkey2323 I don't know. I would have to think about that. All I know is that if you say something like "the only truth we can know is through science" it is self-refuting and thus false.
Perhaps your statement that "science is the only way to gain knowledge that we know of" is better worded. You should thank me for helping you to clarify your thinking but of course you won't.
@tempemonkey2323 I already did. You are claiming to have "knowledge" that science is the only way to gain knowledge yet you cannot verify that statement scientifically. What scientific experiment did you to do to empirically prove that "science is the only method to gain knowledge"? You didn't, you can't and thus it is self-refuting.
Same goes for "there is no such thing as absolute truth." The person who says this is making an absolute claim that there is no absolute truth. Self-refuting.
@bestvalue The fact that you would have to use science to prove science shows that science is the ultimate test for truth.... BTW, proving science with science is circular and illogical....
We could do a study where we compare the effectiveness of different methods at explaining reality if you want.... We could use divine inspiration, psychic shit, metaphysical speculation, and science..... Then we could have the practitioners of each try to create something with their method for mankind..
@tempemonkey2323 I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. I was merely pointing out that your statement was self-refuting which still stands. I'm not disparaging science by any means. I'm just try to show you that everything we believe - even science itself - is based on certain philosophical assumptions that cannot be empirically proven.
The view you seem to be espousing is called scientism and is considered by many to be a religion.
@bestvalue further more by observing and documenting evidence in relation to discovering knowledge via another means other then science, there is nothing. if you have a example please share.
1. Empirical Truth: truth gained by testing ie: the scientific method. This only gives you provisional truth. eg. all organisms on earth share a common ancestor
2. Necessary Truth: truth gained by logic and reason. It cannot possibly be false. eg. 2+2+4 and "no bachelor is married."
I can give you a logical argument for the existence of God that cannot be false unless you disprove one of its premises. (Of course, you're welcome to try.)
@best value 1. should be called universal truth- the truth of facts concluded by observation and evidence
2. should be called logic- as to say no bachelor is married is far fetched with not whole truth (people who have had amnesia)
3. selective truth- true to the person who believes it but remaining not a universal truth.
i would love to see this evidence of god that you have, which god though? zeus? thor? yahweh? allah? just so i will know who's mythology i will be discussing ( if at all)
@Hannahcrick You can't just make up your own categories and definitions. I'm getting this out of a philosophy textbook.
1. the point is that this truth is only provisionally true - not absolutely true. It can be WRONG.
2. this kind is necessarily true. It CAN'T be wrong if all the premises are true. You can't say that to say "no bachelor is married is far fetched." It's more than that. It's wrong and always will be.
3. this is NOT truth. Believing something doesn't make it right. (cont.)
@bestvalue cont. just because one has an open mind doesn't mean it should close its mind to the rest of the world. i enjoy these shows and have huge respect for the presenters, they challenge some of my views, have very good knowledge of science and the world and can see what some religions are doing to people- inducing a unnecessary fear into people, leaving their minds 'closed' to what they are really doing.
@Hannahcrick As a friendly suggestion, I recommend you put down the God Delusion, stop regurgitating its fallacious arguments and read something with an open mind that has a little (no, a lot) more logic and reason behind it - like "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist."
@bestvalue an open mind...who said im not religious? maybe just maybe i did pick up some lovely unbiased history books and looked at the history and origins of religions.
i find the christian, muslim and jewish faith laughable when you can see the facts in history, im probably going to get battered for mentioning this but i am also a spiritual healer, so yeah i have an open mind- enough to see evil religions and what they real can do to people.
@Hannahcrick Okay, so you're not an atheist then? Tell me what you mean by a spiritual healer? As a spiritual healer, what do you believe about the origin of the universe?
@bestvalue no im not an atheist. im a crystal healer.. wow i know im going to get eaten alive for saying that here lol. origin of the universe... the big bang theory is a good origin theory but im unsure weather i believe this to be true or not.... the one problem with the theory is that it would defy gravity, the universe is expanding at a faster rate then 5 years ago, so the acceleration of the universe leaves me unsure. but perhaps i dont understand it enough yet
@Hannah Crick perhaps one day someone will be able to explain in more detail the bigbang theory to me, explain my thoughts on the gaps of the theory i have found and then i might believe it, after doing some researching around myself also. at the moment i have not got time to do endless research on that subject, cosmology is a love of mine but i tend to study it in its present day form, haha perhaps i should have started correctly and studied the beginning first
@Hannahcrick I'm certainly won't criticize you for being a crystal healer. Frankly, I'm glad you're not an atheist. You might be more reasonable.
There ARE problems with the big bang. (Not sure gravity is one of them, though.) But one thing it indicates is the origin of time, space and matter at a finite point in history. It is also the origin of all natural laws. So the big bang cannot have a NATURAL cause. It therefore must have a supernatural cause.
@best value sure, well i've been crystal healing for around 4-5 years now. its healing that deals with the etheric body ( non physical body) that keeps the physical body healthy and also heals it. there are different energy points in all living beings bodies, auras, chakras and pull through points. i use chi energy combined with crystals to magnify/ focus into a specific area of these points, or simply allow the flow of energy to keep a person in balance, for these points can become blocked.
@HannahCrick different natural resources contain these energies that help keep the flow of energy balanced inside you. some give of different types of energy and at a higher or lower frequency. this is also the same for all living organisms eg, dolphins have higher healing energies then a slug. crystals give of different energy to wood. its even the same for foods, organic fruit and veg contain higher energy then non organic as their energy is a frequency that is altered by its growth process.
@HannahCrick and to everyone that asks, i can not prove these things. if i could i would have already. hopefully one day it will be proven, who knows the wonder of science has shown us that things that seemed so unreal for people at the time to be true, they knew the earth was flat, they could not see how it could be any other way but is now a fact its round. thank science we know better now. and i hope one day the concept of internal energies can also be proven.
@Hannahcrick You say you "hope one day the concept of internal energies can also be proven." But you believe in them NOW. On what basis do you believe in them? I hope you wouldn't believe anything on blind faith. You must have good reasons for believing. Can you share your evidence? I'm not asking for PROOF, just good logical reasoning and evidence. I've never heard anyone back up their claims about this so I'm very interested.
@bestvalue i believe in these energies because i feel them, and not just i feel them in my heart but physically. ive been able to feel energy from around 14 and used to experiment what it could do, also around then i remember seeing my aura for the first time. i did not really go looking in books for what it was at first, that took a good year of me seeing auras sometimes ( i thought it was a form of colourblind at the time lol) that's why i am not on blind faith. cont
@bestvalue cont. i was still at school and my friend and i bought some crystals from a shop )ive always loved crystals and marvel how they can be made in such variety) and the shop clerk hoverd some crystals above my hand- it felt like static electricity. as you do when your young i wanted to be able to do this to others for fun, so i used to take my crystals to school and do this trick on alot of people, 80% of people would state they felt either a very hot feeling or this static.
@bestvalue i finally looked into what energy was, known as many things eg. chi, manner,vibrations. i realised that it could be used for healing, so as you do i thought why not try it? my first practice healing was actually on a gosling, it was born with sprayed legs and the farmer would not treat him. so i took him and without really knowing what i was doing just pushed energy into it then i took a crystal and realised it worked better with crystals, cont.
@bestvalue the little gosling made a fantastic and very unnatural healing. he became my pet (called him hobble for obvious reasons lol) from then i realised what energy can do for others, though much experimentation i discovered what crystals i use best and how to conduct a healing. i actually really do not like crystal dictionaries and think they are money making false books full of cra... well i dont like them.
@Hannahcrick Okay, as a skeptic by nature, I still have questions. How do we know these "auras, chakras and pull through points" really exist? What do they become blocked with and why? How do the crystals help unblock them? What do doctors and scientists say about these techniques? What are your clients experiencing before you help them and how do you know you have "healed" them? Could there be other explanations (eg. placebo effect)? I mean no disrespect, I'm just trying to learn.
@dreamcattcher1 i have not yet as i have yet to meet an amputee. but if one asked me to try and bring back a missing limb i would inform them that is not possible. to be fair i try to be honest, i never say to people i have healing powers and will heal them i say i practice crystal healing and it may have some effects on a persons condition and it may not. i always tell people to see the docter as modern medicine is a blessing. thats a short answer to fit the box anyway
@best value like i said my evidence to back up my claims is from people that i have done healings for, but i know that is not evidence enough. i can't make other people feel what i do- although i still do the hand crystal trick for people sometimes, in fact with enough positive results 7 people want me to teach lessons in energy and crystals. not alot of people really but they are from a few women at a toddler group i was asked to do a demonstration at.
@bestvalue What is your point? Is it that there is it that some weird logical mind fuck that you seem to like alot and cling to.... Is it this that keeps you from recognizing that SCIENCE IS THE ONLY METHOD WE HAVE FOR KNOWLEDGE!!!
What other method is there?
Show me another method and I will consider it... Everyone can come up with some twisted thing or another to avoid reality..... But you at least have to admit that science is the best method we have to understand the universe and reality.
@bestvalue : A primary component of science is observation, and the collection of observations. We don't scientifically do experiments to gather evidence that animals exist. Science NOTES their existence, and makes even further observations. And, when carefully done, the results are considered "scientific data."
It's the same with the observation that "science (loosely defined) has been the only way we have gained knowledge." It's just an observation that can be reliably made.
@tempemonkey2323 by doing very obvious observations on what science has done to progress our world in technology, medicine and space travel. by observing the progresses of knowledge it has given us in the last 100 years. so we can can observe, look at the evidence what science has brought us we can conclude that science is the top form of processes for the human species to gain knowledge.
@bestvalue However, I dont think that saying science is the only method to gain understanding is self refuting. After all, we can check other methods to see if they are in fact better than science.... And we find that they are not.
BTW..I Just thought of another example to show how wrong you are.... "Absolute knowledge is impossible" may be considered a self refuting statement, yet it is accepted as a major philosophical theory called skepticism and its accepted as a valid position.
To Matt Dillahunty: Thomas Paine did make that remark about not accepting another person's revelation as truth, unless you receive the same revelation. Noone has any obligation to accept something on the basis of what we can't verify.
Monotheism is generally the only theism that results in religious warfare. Polytheists usually don't care, since polytheism doesn't collapse with the addition of new gods, and deism doesn't consider religious ideas practically important. Only monotheism cares what gods people believe in.
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were you to experience a true miracle you would still deny it,blaming the cause on little grey aliens,chance,your own fantasy or anything but God.Athesists are beyond believing in anything whatsoever and have such closed minds nothing gets through but their own personal beliefs, political stand or belief in science.You deny science where you disagree as much as religion.Boy do you have a big supprize coming someday.
You're right. If I witnessed what appeared to be a miracle, I would sooner assume I was under false impressions, than that God exists. I cannot think of a single event, for which God is the most likely cause.
why would God create a negative situation thereby requiring a miracle? that's like a classic example of purpose-defeatus...it doesn't make sense
& why would we automatically assume something is a miracle from some God when were not sure what the cause is?
were not close minded...you are close minded to the possibility of no God...while I am open minded to the possibility of a God or NO God...your mistaking skepticism for close-mindedness..
It does sound like Shawn. However, I can't believe it actually IS him, because he let the boys talk without interruption for several minutes at the beginning. PCS would never have been able to keep his mouth shut for that long.
Look alikes are funny I look like a twin to the guy on the left .Matt looked just like the Christian hillbily (written on hat ) at the creation museum .
The caller's response to Matt's question-how do you know when something is actually 'magic' and not just a magic-trick- is say that it depends on the contect-"Whether you're at a magic show, or at a zoo".
Actually, 'magic' is 100% about context. Magic works by manipulating the audience's expectations and presumptions. That's why magicians are often called 'illusionists'.
Yuri Geller is a example of a magician, doing tricks in a certain context so that people think it is 'supernatural'.
What?! These guys are full of shit! Everything in Herodotus is 100% true. Even the giant gold-digging ants. They have them in...um...places. Some places. I've heard. All true.
That sounds like VFX for sure!
Sheraseven 1 month ago
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that really does sound like venomfangx
SuperWonderface 3 months ago
I have evidance that Jesus never existed, god told me.
saintpine 5 months ago 2
What evidence is needed for biblical miracles? How about starting with independent documentation of the miracles? Didn't more than one person witness these miracles? How many historical documents independently confirm them? Oh. Only one document: that book without an author's name attached to it that must be true because it says it's true.
Anybody notice that there's no magic anywhere now? Why so much magic 2000 years ago and absolutely none today?
ChipArgyle 6 months ago
Plutarch mentioned the soothsayer that Shakespeare mentioned warning Ceasar a month in advance.
RadarKat73080 6 months ago
God converts Paul so he can convert lots of others... did it not occur to god to convert EVERYBODY? Or would that be too much work?
JMUDoc 6 months ago
Jesus did feed the 5000, it all depends on portion size, Jesus was very frugal.
darbone 7 months ago
@darbone a crumb a person sounds sufficient to me
GlompasaurusRex 6 months ago
@GlompasaurusRex come to think of it, there is a bad "cheap Jew" joke in there somewhere.
darbone 6 months ago
@darbone
which is why the amazingatheist says that the miracle jesus did was he fed them inadequate amounts of food. Very true...you can't feed 5000 people with that little food.
kitamasu1 6 months ago
I for one doubt that the jesus from the bible ever existed, the virgin birth, savior myths had been going around for a long time before the time of jesus... so just based on that I think its safe to assume he was just the most recent itteration of this myth.
aegisgfx 8 months ago
ROME WILL WIN ........ LONG LIVE THE POPE
PInk77W1 8 months ago
@PInk77W1
ROME WILL FAIL.........LONG LIVE CARTHAGE!
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty people been saying Rome will fail for how long? Keep dreamin
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@nukepwetty people been saying Rome will fail for how long? Keep dreaming
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
It was a joke (and you don't know you're history). My comment had all of the relevance and intelligence of yours (i.e. none)
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty i dont know my history? Rome has a 2000yr winning streak. So yes im pretty sure
Rome will win
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
fail, fail, and fail again. You've never heard of Carthage have you.
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty I have heard of Carthage, but only in passing, or vaguely. Unlike u i am not afraid of the truth. ok tell me what u know about Carthage. By the way my favorite author is GK Chesterton, u never heard of him have you....
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
I'm not talking about some random author, I'm talking about an ancient civilization. Carthage was Rome's rival during it's earlier history. Perhaps you've heard of the 3 Punic Wars, Hannibal, the Battle of Cannae, or the Battle of Zama? Rome isn't just a city you know...
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty i am not talking about some random author either. I was talkin about
GK Chesterton. If you read GKC he will change your life!!!! yes i knew Carthage was super important, no i never heard of the 3 punic wars yes on Hannibal no on the other two battles. Yes i know Rome is more than a city. I live in Calif. Just got back from Rome Aug 20...
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1 An author I've never heard of? That would qualify as a random author in my book. Hannibal was the most famous Carthaginian general, handing Rome one of it's worst military defeats at Cannae (and created an idiom) before being defeated at Zama. All during the 2nd Punic War.
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty GK Chesterton is one of a kind. There are videos on youtube about him. He wrote about 50 books... two of which are classics. THE EVERLASTING MAN..... and... ORTHODOXY... these two books changed my life. Do a wikipedia search on him at least. I knew Carthage was famous, i just didnt know what for. Im pretty sure the catholic church has a "council of carthage" too
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
I doubt that. The ancient civilization of Carthage was destroyed after the third Punic War after the Battle of Carthage. The city was completely destroyed, 450,000 of the 500,000 inhabitants were supposedly killed and the rest enslaved. The Romans could sure hold a grudge back in the good-ol'-days.
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty i will check, the church has had 20 or 21 councils in the last 2000yrs. Vatican ll being the last. what year was this last war and the destruction?
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
Carthage was destroyed 146 B.C., plus the vatcan didn't even exist 2000 years ago.
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty true the vatican as we know it today didnt exist then but the vatican today exist for one reason and that is the will of the pope. And yes the pope in the person of St Peter did exist 2000yrs ago give or take a couple of years..
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
I don't consider that to be the beginning. They couldn't possibly of set up shop until after Constatine made it less illegal (and punishable by death). That places it around 300, maybe.
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty we have a list of popes all the way to peter. we have letters, we have documents we have stories handed down generation to generation. The first 50 or so popes were martyred. Jesus told peter, "Thou art peter and upon this rock i will build MY church and it shall not fail." ...... and it has not failed.. No it was not a big business like it is today, yes the "essence" was and its the same as today. The catholic church is the only entity on earth that goes back to Jesus.
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@nukepwetty council of Chalcedon 451.... off by a bit
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@nukepwetty who is in charge of CARTHAGE today? Benedict XVI is in charge of the catholic church today..
2000yrs young!!!!
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
My (and your) comment was pointless, meaningless, and had absolutely nothing to do with the video. I really don't give a damn about the Vatican, whether it survives or not. My attempt at trolling kinda turned into a history lesson...
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty is seems strange that u care about Carthage which by all accounts doesnt exist, but u dont give a dam about the vatican which by all accounts does exist. In fact the vatican is its own country and has more priceless junk than u can throw a stick at. I just got home from the vatican aug 20. Or in the word of Lenin "how many divisions does the vatican have anyways?" Lenin is now gone. the vatican is now present
PInk77W1 5 months ago
@PInk77W1
completely. pointless. comment.
nukepwetty 5 months ago
@nukepwetty "when has the whole world gathered against the pope and not found him ALONE too much."
famous quote
PInk77W1 5 months ago
I think I'd be more likely to believe the moon is made of cheese before the claims made in the Christian Bible.
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What happens when you die? Have you told lies, stolen, used God's name in vain? If yes, then you broke God's law(you shall not lie, steal, etc.)written on your heart. When you die & be judged by God, you'll be guilty of sin, & go to Hell! But God sent God His Son Jesus to shed His blood & die on a cross for your sins, He was buried & rose again from the dead on the third day. If you'll believe the Gospel(Jesus's death for sins, His burial & resurrection)you'll not perish & have eternal life!
gramosjr7 10 months ago
@gramosjr7 fuck god
GetAFuckinClue 5 months ago
If god is all seeing and all knowing how come the aztecs,chinese,greek ,dinosaurs,japanese,mongols were never mentioned in it
SeiferOptics 10 months ago 5
@rickybarningham @rickybarningham Human history is filled with all sorts of claims with hundreds of witnesses. God like men healing the sick, raising the dead, and resurrecting were a dime a dozen in the days of Jesus.
That does not matter though because the new testament is a copy, of a copy, of a copy...... Who knows what the originals had written in them..... For all we know, it is completely made up and there were no witnesses of these things at all.. Chances are, someone is being fooled.
tempemonkey2323 10 months ago
@rickybarningham Human history is filled with all sorts of claims with hundreds of witnesses. God like men healing the sick, raising the dead, and resurrecting were a dime a dozen in the days of Jesus.
That does not matter though because the new testament is a copy, of a copy, of a copy...... Who knows what the originals had written in them..... For all we know, it is completely made up and there were no witnesses of these things at all.. Chances are, someone is being fooled.
tempemonkey2323 10 months ago
@rickybarningham Human history is filled with all sorts of claims with hundreds of witnesses. God like men healing the sick, raising the dead, and resurrecting were a dime a dozen in the days of Jesus.
That does not matter though because the new testament is a copy, of a copy, of a copy...... Who knows what the originals had written in them..... For all we know, it is completely made up and there were no witnesses of these things at all.. Chances are, someone is being fooled.
tempemonkey2323 10 months ago
i once fed 25 pigeons with just six cups of birdseed. See? miracles happen all the time.
vinegarthomas 10 months ago 3
May be WAY BEHIND THE TIMES, BUT...... VFX?
bttrflykiss7701 11 months ago
I like it a lot less when people on the show not named Matt Dillahunty talk.
DickJohnson3434 11 months ago 2
@DickJohnson3434 He talks too much. He's smart, but def talks too much.
bttrflykiss7701 11 months ago
This caller is a breath of fresh air. I don't agree with a word that comes out of his mouth, but he's clearly an intelligent, thoughtful person. Good video.
morrowrail 11 months ago
Its PCS
Daghead 11 months ago
Is it just me or does the caller's voice seem to resemble that of Venom Fang X?
juliusduku 1 year ago
@1danyol1 You just have to get em to say it out loud. Then they see.
weirddudeonice 1 year ago
say... what's the song called please?
lzoli18B 1 year ago
Atheists are so stupid! Logic and science is bullshit. If you were really so smart, you would realize that the bible clearly says that the bible is true, thus meaning that the bible must be true. Gosh!
1danyol1 1 year ago 83
@1danyol1 LOL
jonahtakalua1 1 year ago
@1danyol1 Yeah! I say the bible is not real and so it must be true.
graffitypsycho 1 year ago
@1danyol1 Please say you're joking? Please!
pixxiex 1 year ago
@pixxiex Of course he is joking.
Imhornydadcomeinside 11 months ago
@Imhornydadcomeinside Puh... ^_^
pixxiex 11 months ago
@1danyol1 I don't see how you can say, " logic and science are bull shit " if it was not for science and logic then you would not be watching this stream, you would not have the internet in the first place and you would not even have a computer to watch or send this message on in the first place!!! If it was not for science and logic (which one would not work without the other anyway) then we would stil be in the stone age, and just because the bible sais it's true, it does not make it so!
darkside197929 10 months ago
@darkside197929 He's being sarcastic...
Aggiesgigem 10 months ago
@1danyol1 Did you really just say that logic is bullshit?! Are you fucking kidding me? Would you like to know what I think is bullshit. People actually believing that there is a supernatural being that watches every move that we make and if we do not do exactly what he tells us to do, he would send us to "hell". That is what I call bullshit.
MultiNatester 7 months ago
@MultiNatester Are you being serious? Because you know he's joking right?
heavymetalnguyen 7 months ago
@1danyol1 AAAMEN BROTHA! PRAAIISE THE LAWD!!
knucks360 7 months ago
@1danyol1 It's not the bible claiming itself to be true, the people that wrote it claim that it's the truth. The bible is nothing more than a bunch of words. The bible is an inanimate object and inanimate objects don't make claims one way or the other. People make claims. So, the people who thumbed this ignorant comment up, do not live in a rational reality, when they believe a BOOK is actually talking to them. That's called insanity.
DemePoole 1 month ago
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cheezer57 1 year ago
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GERENDAZEE 1 year ago
This guy sounds very similar to Venomfangx....very similar. The voice is so similar.
itarethetroll 1 year ago 41
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berniebay 1 year ago
@itarethetroll similar, you say?
wideheadofknowledge 9 months ago
@wideheadofknowledge identical is more like it...
micfail2 8 months ago
@itarethetroll OOOOOH SHIIII-
PiratedComedy 9 months ago
@itarethetroll the problem is, this guy sounds around 10000000 times more intelligent. its not difficult to do this, i mean a house mouse is more intelligent than VFX. lol
theUKatheist 8 months ago
im willing to admit maybe there was a man named frodo and he had a ring but i do not think they where magic
drinkmoresoda 1 year ago
Right. at 7:46 Paul as a mass murderer is described as the one to get divine revelation because he is the kind who gets things done? As immediately opposed to the host who apparently can not convert millions.
So the qualification for divine revelation is being able to kill masses? Or less strongly, to coerce masses? or what exactly?
If divine governance is to be taken seriously, especially given the latter testament teachings (at least the popular ones), how would that work?
uolola 1 year ago 2
@uolola It appears God favours mass murderers. Also, Paul did not ask for forgiveness. It is only until after God appeared to him that Paul was 'saved'. God took the initiative and 'forgave' Paul in advance (so it appears) because he needed the guy's help converting more followers. I don't know who's the more morally bent, the mass murderer or the God who forgives the guy who's killed so many of his precious followers. Of course, it's his plan. He wanted Paul to kill his sinful chosen race?
viridismonasteriense 1 year ago
I am apparently the next jeebus. How to feed 5000 with your host, me.
Step 1: Break a loaf of bread into small crumbs
step 2: make a net out of the nearby riverbed reeds
step 3: throw the crumbs on the ground, attracting birds
step 4: net the birds and sacrifice them to the boss god lurch king thingy
step 5: cut the fish/remaining bread into small pieces and throw into the waters edge
step 6: Use the same net to catch the fish feeding
step 7: Portion the meals
Step 8: Your done! MIRACLE!
brendankhoury 1 year ago 4
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If you need to see if God is real, you need to get on your knees & to sincerely ask God to reveal himself to you if he is real. Believe me, he has "no problem" doing this. I challenge you to do this this week. Have you ever actually tried this? Have you ever really read the Bible w/out being prejudiced? Just sit down & read it - cover to cover as you ask God to reveal himself to you. Try it :-)
Denise7260 1 year ago
i mean if there was an eternal afterlife, what's the difference between afterlife and fantasy? or a dream?
simw7 1 year ago
It's good to see a reasonable christian x atheist debate without a fuckhead saying shit and arguing. It's a rare thing to find.. a good intelligent discussion
Louieinoz 1 year ago
that is Venomfangx
no question
darklorddogg 1 year ago 2
@darklorddogg no, he would have brought up the grand canyon sometime in that conversation.
burgerboy06 1 year ago
@burgerboy06
trudat
darklorddogg 1 year ago
@darklorddogg If it is, he seemed unusually reasonable.
destronia123 1 year ago
@destronia123 Probably because he didn't have a counter to anything (as usual) nor did he have a mute button :P
Kretain 1 year ago
@darklorddogg
I recognized his voice right away too.
JokinJoe 1 year ago
@JokinJoe the caller's name's patrick and he lives in VA. VFX's name is shawn and i don't think he's from VA.
webmaster2089 1 year ago
religion is nothing more than a delusion. those who suscribe to this dillusion often times have vested interest which makes it very difficult to be tolerant of other points of view.One can say that atheists fit that definition but with majority of people believing in one religion or another, I say that refusing to believe in god is not generally in ones good interest.
dangermous1968 1 year ago
I say that its not good to believe in anything without evidence. Show me the evidence for god or anything else and I will beleive it.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago 3
@tempemonkey2323 You cant see God, its the same as you want to proof love to the one you Love, but she cant see it. You have to tell her and MAYBE she will take it as something serious. (MAYBE - stands for Atheists).
Its kind of a Feeling, Atheists dont feel it but the ones with Religion do feel it that there is a God.
MrDrakulaS 1 year ago
@MrDrakulaS You are saying that one uses the same kind of faith in believing his wife loves him as he does in his belief in a god...
As soon as god comes down and talks to me, helps me with the house work, or washes my back in the shower than your argument will have merit...
Love has not objective reality outside peoples minds... Can you prove that god exists outside your mind? Good luck
The fact that we do not have access to other minds has nothing to do with the existence of god.
Nice try
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 Its not a Try, its just to tell you and share with you what i feel by reading that you guys say that were lying, or believe in Santa or a Rainbow with Money on the end...
You have to love God by giving you a Life and a Soul. But it was just something to let see you what i meant, it doesnt mean God is your wife. >.>
Dont you Atheists come with weird Theorys? Well i come with these.
Your Soul has to Control you Body, but with you its that your Body Controls your Soul. Peace.
MrDrakulaS 1 year ago
@MrDrakulaS What wierd theories do we have? Do you see any illogical claims that we atheists make?
Soul? What do you mean my body moves my soul? Do you have any good reason to believe a soul even exists? Do psychologists and neurologists posit that a soul must exist in their experiments or does it seem that all we are is a physical brain? Again, you provide no evidence or reason for any of these things, only wishful thinking...
Some people choose truth over wishful thinking and good feelings.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 I really will never understand you Atheists, my friends do no nothing about it and you are always saying the opposite of what i say. :/
Youre just looking the Science way, i look the way i do just leave it, i only tell what i no, i dont want to hear that it is bullsht or something.
Have a nice day. >.>
MrDrakulaS 1 year ago
@MrDrakulaS You say you know about god? Knowledge as classically defined is a true, justified, belief. Justified as in evidence..... So, if you know god exists, where is your evidence..... Everything I believe meets this criteria.
You Christians always want to leave an argument when you start loosing and you just throw your hands in the air and say, "no one really knows, we all use faith.... Science is a kind of religion.... Wrong, wrong WRONG!!!!
See the first paragraph again... EVIDENCE!!!
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 Muslims have to follow Christians, but in another way. So i call my God(Allah).
I am Protecting them.
Why i do believe in God is - Because in the Quran in says some Science stuff, but the Quran is writtin 1400 Years ago, thats why i believe in It.
Can i add you and send you some stuff about what it writes?
And i cant be add in the - Modern World, because in Quran they say do not change the Quran.
So it is 100% from 1400 Years ago.
Thats why i believe in It and love It.
MrDrakulaS 1 year ago
@MrDrakulaS Yeah, the Quran is filled with scientific knowledge. That's why Islamic countries are the most advanced in the world.
mstachife 1 year ago
@MrDrakulaS Im sorry, but an extraordinary claim with no evidence is illogical, wrong, irrational, or bull shit..... Call it what ever you want, it is what it is.....Otherwise, cough up the evidence....
Your little argument that shows we dont have evidence of other minds (that is we cannot prove love) does not show that science and religion rely on the same methods... Science, observation, and reason are the ONLY methods for truth.....
You are too afraid of being punished by god to question..
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 Well, in my Religion(Islam) It says that you dont have to be afraid from anything aslong as you keep your own Religion(As loving).
So i am not afraid(At the way you mean) of God. As we say, he is Mercyfull...
So what i get from what you just said is : I am Atheists to be not afraid from God.
Well... As God says : You cannot hide your self, i see you everywhere and i no what youre doing.
So Good or Bad, he will see you anyways and maybe not like you. o.o
MrDrakulaS 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 @tempemonkey2323 Just an observation here . . . You said, "Science, observation, and reason are the ONLY methods for truth." What scientific experiment did you do to reach this conclusion? You see, the argument is self-refuting . . . the same as if I told you, "I don't speak a word of English." Obviously I do because I just spoke to you in English. Your statement cannot be verified scientifically. Any self-refuting statement is, by definition, false. Sorry for your luck.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue Im not too sure what kind of sophistry you are pulling here but if you think we can get knowledge without using the scientific method then I would like to hear what that method is.... If you don't think that science gives us any understanding about reality then I think you are deluded......
Little games like saying you cannot prove science with science will not get you far.... Why would I want circular reasoning anyways???
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 I didn't say science doesn't give us any understanding about reality. But you said science is the ONLY way to gain understanding. But you can't verify that statement scientifically so, by your criteria, it is false.
Another example would be to say "there are NO absolutes." But that in itself is an absolute statement and is self -refuting. This is very sound reasoning. Check any logic book. I don't think you realize the folly of what you are saying.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue Again, tell me one other method, other than science, that gives us understanding?
There may be other ways, but we don't know them.
By the way, there is a debate in philosophy about what you are proposing about these self defeating statements... Other examples include, every claim must have possible falsifications (this is Karl Poppers criteria for science, and its self refuting, and people still accept it).
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 That's a very good point about Popper. I never thought of that before. So you see what you've done is proven that all of science is not based on scientifically verifiable facts but on philosophical assumptions. BTW - those assumptions came from the idea that the Creator was a God of order. All the major branches of science were started by theists.
It's cool how you managed, in one post, to not only falsify your original statement but all of science as well. Way to go. :^D
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue So you are saying that because science grew out of a superstitious tradition then that superstition must be true? Or that science must be false? Even though there is no evidence for the superstition... You are a special kind of stupid... Congratulations.
Yes, science is based on a philosophical assumption that is VERIFIED by experience.... This verified assumption says that science is the only method to gain knowledge
Because you are so specially stupid we have gone full circle.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
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@tempemonkey2323 "Because you are so specially stupid we have gone full circle."
Yes, I can see that you like circles because of your circular reasoning.
bestvalue 1 year ago
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@tempemonkey2323 No, I'm not saying religion is superstition or that science is false. What on earth makes you think there is no evidence for the "superstition" as you call it? I have plenty - and not from personal experience - from logic, reason and science.
Thank you for admitting that science is based on a philosophical assumption. It takes a big man to admit he was wrong. You have earned my respect.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue Do you have evidence that we can gain knowledge without using science? Tell me if you can...
If you cannot, then it seems that science is the only way to gain knowledge (that we know of)...
I don't want to play some retarded game anymore, please.... I'm begging you.... Tell me how knowledge can be gained without using science.....
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 I don't know. I would have to think about that. All I know is that if you say something like "the only truth we can know is through science" it is self-refuting and thus false.
Perhaps your statement that "science is the only way to gain knowledge that we know of" is better worded. You should thank me for helping you to clarify your thinking but of course you won't.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue I fail to see how the statement, "science is the only method to gain knowledge" is self refuting.
Can you explain how that works?
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 I already did. You are claiming to have "knowledge" that science is the only way to gain knowledge yet you cannot verify that statement scientifically. What scientific experiment did you to do to empirically prove that "science is the only method to gain knowledge"? You didn't, you can't and thus it is self-refuting.
Same goes for "there is no such thing as absolute truth." The person who says this is making an absolute claim that there is no absolute truth. Self-refuting.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue The fact that you would have to use science to prove science shows that science is the ultimate test for truth.... BTW, proving science with science is circular and illogical....
We could do a study where we compare the effectiveness of different methods at explaining reality if you want.... We could use divine inspiration, psychic shit, metaphysical speculation, and science..... Then we could have the practitioners of each try to create something with their method for mankind..
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 I pretty much agree with everything you are saying. I was merely pointing out that your statement was self-refuting which still stands. I'm not disparaging science by any means. I'm just try to show you that everything we believe - even science itself - is based on certain philosophical assumptions that cannot be empirically proven.
The view you seem to be espousing is called scientism and is considered by many to be a religion.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue further more by observing and documenting evidence in relation to discovering knowledge via another means other then science, there is nothing. if you have a example please share.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick There are two types of truth:
1. Empirical Truth: truth gained by testing ie: the scientific method. This only gives you provisional truth. eg. all organisms on earth share a common ancestor
2. Necessary Truth: truth gained by logic and reason. It cannot possibly be false. eg. 2+2+4 and "no bachelor is married."
I can give you a logical argument for the existence of God that cannot be false unless you disprove one of its premises. (Of course, you're welcome to try.)
bestvalue 1 year ago
@best value 1. should be called universal truth- the truth of facts concluded by observation and evidence
2. should be called logic- as to say no bachelor is married is far fetched with not whole truth (people who have had amnesia)
3. selective truth- true to the person who believes it but remaining not a universal truth.
i would love to see this evidence of god that you have, which god though? zeus? thor? yahweh? allah? just so i will know who's mythology i will be discussing ( if at all)
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick You can't just make up your own categories and definitions. I'm getting this out of a philosophy textbook.
1. the point is that this truth is only provisionally true - not absolutely true. It can be WRONG.
2. this kind is necessarily true. It CAN'T be wrong if all the premises are true. You can't say that to say "no bachelor is married is far fetched." It's more than that. It's wrong and always will be.
3. this is NOT truth. Believing something doesn't make it right. (cont.)
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue cont. just because one has an open mind doesn't mean it should close its mind to the rest of the world. i enjoy these shows and have huge respect for the presenters, they challenge some of my views, have very good knowledge of science and the world and can see what some religions are doing to people- inducing a unnecessary fear into people, leaving their minds 'closed' to what they are really doing.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick As a friendly suggestion, I recommend you put down the God Delusion, stop regurgitating its fallacious arguments and read something with an open mind that has a little (no, a lot) more logic and reason behind it - like "I Don't Have Enough Faith to be an Atheist."
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue an open mind...who said im not religious? maybe just maybe i did pick up some lovely unbiased history books and looked at the history and origins of religions.
i find the christian, muslim and jewish faith laughable when you can see the facts in history, im probably going to get battered for mentioning this but i am also a spiritual healer, so yeah i have an open mind- enough to see evil religions and what they real can do to people.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick Okay, so you're not an atheist then? Tell me what you mean by a spiritual healer? As a spiritual healer, what do you believe about the origin of the universe?
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue no im not an atheist. im a crystal healer.. wow i know im going to get eaten alive for saying that here lol. origin of the universe... the big bang theory is a good origin theory but im unsure weather i believe this to be true or not.... the one problem with the theory is that it would defy gravity, the universe is expanding at a faster rate then 5 years ago, so the acceleration of the universe leaves me unsure. but perhaps i dont understand it enough yet
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannah Crick perhaps one day someone will be able to explain in more detail the bigbang theory to me, explain my thoughts on the gaps of the theory i have found and then i might believe it, after doing some researching around myself also. at the moment i have not got time to do endless research on that subject, cosmology is a love of mine but i tend to study it in its present day form, haha perhaps i should have started correctly and studied the beginning first
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick I'm certainly won't criticize you for being a crystal healer. Frankly, I'm glad you're not an atheist. You might be more reasonable.
There ARE problems with the big bang. (Not sure gravity is one of them, though.) But one thing it indicates is the origin of time, space and matter at a finite point in history. It is also the origin of all natural laws. So the big bang cannot have a NATURAL cause. It therefore must have a supernatural cause.
Tell me more about crystal healing.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@best value sure, well i've been crystal healing for around 4-5 years now. its healing that deals with the etheric body ( non physical body) that keeps the physical body healthy and also heals it. there are different energy points in all living beings bodies, auras, chakras and pull through points. i use chi energy combined with crystals to magnify/ focus into a specific area of these points, or simply allow the flow of energy to keep a person in balance, for these points can become blocked.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@HannahCrick different natural resources contain these energies that help keep the flow of energy balanced inside you. some give of different types of energy and at a higher or lower frequency. this is also the same for all living organisms eg, dolphins have higher healing energies then a slug. crystals give of different energy to wood. its even the same for foods, organic fruit and veg contain higher energy then non organic as their energy is a frequency that is altered by its growth process.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@HannahCrick and to everyone that asks, i can not prove these things. if i could i would have already. hopefully one day it will be proven, who knows the wonder of science has shown us that things that seemed so unreal for people at the time to be true, they knew the earth was flat, they could not see how it could be any other way but is now a fact its round. thank science we know better now. and i hope one day the concept of internal energies can also be proven.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick You say you "hope one day the concept of internal energies can also be proven." But you believe in them NOW. On what basis do you believe in them? I hope you wouldn't believe anything on blind faith. You must have good reasons for believing. Can you share your evidence? I'm not asking for PROOF, just good logical reasoning and evidence. I've never heard anyone back up their claims about this so I'm very interested.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue i believe in these energies because i feel them, and not just i feel them in my heart but physically. ive been able to feel energy from around 14 and used to experiment what it could do, also around then i remember seeing my aura for the first time. i did not really go looking in books for what it was at first, that took a good year of me seeing auras sometimes ( i thought it was a form of colourblind at the time lol) that's why i am not on blind faith. cont
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@bestvalue cont. i was still at school and my friend and i bought some crystals from a shop )ive always loved crystals and marvel how they can be made in such variety) and the shop clerk hoverd some crystals above my hand- it felt like static electricity. as you do when your young i wanted to be able to do this to others for fun, so i used to take my crystals to school and do this trick on alot of people, 80% of people would state they felt either a very hot feeling or this static.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@bestvalue i finally looked into what energy was, known as many things eg. chi, manner,vibrations. i realised that it could be used for healing, so as you do i thought why not try it? my first practice healing was actually on a gosling, it was born with sprayed legs and the farmer would not treat him. so i took him and without really knowing what i was doing just pushed energy into it then i took a crystal and realised it worked better with crystals, cont.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@bestvalue the little gosling made a fantastic and very unnatural healing. he became my pet (called him hobble for obvious reasons lol) from then i realised what energy can do for others, though much experimentation i discovered what crystals i use best and how to conduct a healing. i actually really do not like crystal dictionaries and think they are money making false books full of cra... well i dont like them.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick Okay, as a skeptic by nature, I still have questions. How do we know these "auras, chakras and pull through points" really exist? What do they become blocked with and why? How do the crystals help unblock them? What do doctors and scientists say about these techniques? What are your clients experiencing before you help them and how do you know you have "healed" them? Could there be other explanations (eg. placebo effect)? I mean no disrespect, I'm just trying to learn.
bestvalue 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick i hope that answered enough for you, if you have any more questions i will be happy to answer them
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick Just out of curiosity, have you ever tried to heal an amputee?
dreamcattcher1 1 year ago
@dreamcattcher1 i have not yet as i have yet to meet an amputee. but if one asked me to try and bring back a missing limb i would inform them that is not possible. to be fair i try to be honest, i never say to people i have healing powers and will heal them i say i practice crystal healing and it may have some effects on a persons condition and it may not. i always tell people to see the docter as modern medicine is a blessing. thats a short answer to fit the box anyway
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@best value like i said my evidence to back up my claims is from people that i have done healings for, but i know that is not evidence enough. i can't make other people feel what i do- although i still do the hand crystal trick for people sometimes, in fact with enough positive results 7 people want me to teach lessons in energy and crystals. not alot of people really but they are from a few women at a toddler group i was asked to do a demonstration at.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@bestvalue What is your point? Is it that there is it that some weird logical mind fuck that you seem to like alot and cling to.... Is it this that keeps you from recognizing that SCIENCE IS THE ONLY METHOD WE HAVE FOR KNOWLEDGE!!!
What other method is there?
Show me another method and I will consider it... Everyone can come up with some twisted thing or another to avoid reality..... But you at least have to admit that science is the best method we have to understand the universe and reality.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 Science can show us how to build an atomic bomb but can it tell us whether it is right or wrong to drop one on Hiroshima?
bestvalue 1 year ago
@bestvalue : A primary component of science is observation, and the collection of observations. We don't scientifically do experiments to gather evidence that animals exist. Science NOTES their existence, and makes even further observations. And, when carefully done, the results are considered "scientific data."
It's the same with the observation that "science (loosely defined) has been the only way we have gained knowledge." It's just an observation that can be reliably made.
GetMeThere1 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 by doing very obvious observations on what science has done to progress our world in technology, medicine and space travel. by observing the progresses of knowledge it has given us in the last 100 years. so we can can observe, look at the evidence what science has brought us we can conclude that science is the top form of processes for the human species to gain knowledge.
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@Hannahcrick I think you intended this comment for bestvalue.... But I think he figured it out.... Goo points!!!
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
@tempemonkey2323 haha my apologies, i typed comments a little to early in the morning me thinks
Hannahcrick 1 year ago
@bestvalue However, I dont think that saying science is the only method to gain understanding is self refuting. After all, we can check other methods to see if they are in fact better than science.... And we find that they are not.
BTW..I Just thought of another example to show how wrong you are.... "Absolute knowledge is impossible" may be considered a self refuting statement, yet it is accepted as a major philosophical theory called skepticism and its accepted as a valid position.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
"Okay, then give that experience to Dawkins" bahahahaha
PhatLarkin 2 years ago 2
you scare me sir.
anAlligatorHat 2 years ago
To Matt Dillahunty: Thomas Paine did make that remark about not accepting another person's revelation as truth, unless you receive the same revelation. Noone has any obligation to accept something on the basis of what we can't verify.
meangreen4321 2 years ago 9
Hume said it first.... And was well known for it.... Google is ur friend....
martinthulin 1 year ago
David Hume is my favorite philosopher.
tempemonkey2323 1 year ago
polytheism vs monotheism. Which is worst? ignoring the fact they're both probably bullshit.
ashman102 2 years ago 3
@ashman102
Monotheism is generally the only theism that results in religious warfare. Polytheists usually don't care, since polytheism doesn't collapse with the addition of new gods, and deism doesn't consider religious ideas practically important. Only monotheism cares what gods people believe in.
ctvwr 2 years ago 2
That is the view I hold. Monotheism gives rise to self promotion and self justification.
ashman102 2 years ago
polytheism is more interesting
RPFS2008 2 years ago 2
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were you to experience a true miracle you would still deny it,blaming the cause on little grey aliens,chance,your own fantasy or anything but God.Athesists are beyond believing in anything whatsoever and have such closed minds nothing gets through but their own personal beliefs, political stand or belief in science.You deny science where you disagree as much as religion.Boy do you have a big supprize coming someday.
Maclaine007 2 years ago
You're right. If I witnessed what appeared to be a miracle, I would sooner assume I was under false impressions, than that God exists. I cannot think of a single event, for which God is the most likely cause.
IanEColeman 2 years ago 2
why would God create a negative situation thereby requiring a miracle? that's like a classic example of purpose-defeatus...it doesn't make sense
& why would we automatically assume something is a miracle from some God when were not sure what the cause is?
were not close minded...you are close minded to the possibility of no God...while I am open minded to the possibility of a God or NO God...your mistaking skepticism for close-mindedness..
Abgef 1 year ago
It does sound like Shawn. However, I can't believe it actually IS him, because he let the boys talk without interruption for several minutes at the beginning. PCS would never have been able to keep his mouth shut for that long.
separatethread 2 years ago 3
More like VenomFucktardX..
9886635574 2 years ago
That does sound like the poster-boy of the creation idiotics.
ArmaFennica 2 years ago 2
Look alikes are funny I look like a twin to the guy on the left .Matt looked just like the Christian hillbily (written on hat ) at the creation museum .
flyingscience 2 years ago
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Why was Matt Dillahunty touring a Creation museum posing as dumb creationist ? Watch below video at 2:30- "Creationism Museum Documentary"
flyingscience 2 years ago
LOL! X-tians can accept hearsay anecdotes from the bible, yet they dismiss miracle claims fom greek and roman and egyptian etc. mythology.
destronia123 2 years ago 3
The caller's response to Matt's question-how do you know when something is actually 'magic' and not just a magic-trick- is say that it depends on the contect-"Whether you're at a magic show, or at a zoo".
Actually, 'magic' is 100% about context. Magic works by manipulating the audience's expectations and presumptions. That's why magicians are often called 'illusionists'.
Yuri Geller is a example of a magician, doing tricks in a certain context so that people think it is 'supernatural'.
rickelmonoggin 2 years ago 3
you best be trollin
MyCrownOfWorms 2 years ago
What?! These guys are full of shit! Everything in Herodotus is 100% true. Even the giant gold-digging ants. They have them in...um...places. Some places. I've heard. All true.
lycurgusthelawgiver 2 years ago 30