3% of your Representatives in Congress honors their Oath of Office to "...support and defend the United States..." 100% of the time in the 112th Congress:S Myrick NC, Ron Paul TX, P Roe TN, B Posey FL, C Mack FL, T McClintock CA, R Labrador ID, T Huelskamp KS, T Johnson IL, W Jones NC, A Harris MD, T Graves GA, John Duncan, JR TN, Jeffery Duncan SC, J Campbell CA, J Chaffetz UT, J Amash MI, Rand Paul KY (The Freedom Index 8-8-11 sans those who voted for ndaa) Restore America RON PAUL 2012
yup... you would get an "F" ... Thune is a moron...took the seat away from a great Senator who looked out for all of us.. Millionaire Thune needs to learn presentation 101.
Franken's best point is that many of these elected idiots don't even read the bill. Folks, I've been reading tax law for some time now, and I can tell you that if you don't read the bill, you have no idea what you're getting. Hooray for Franken for exposing one of the most obvious flaws in our system.
Right wing politicians sell shit sandwiches and call them prime rib and their idiot following loves it. They like eating shit sandwiches and will ask for seconds. If you tell them they're eating shit they'll get mad at you, call you a commie and a traitor. You can open up the sandwich to prove that it's a crap sandwich and they''ll get even madder.
lol Palin Patriot is too funny. Alleging that Al Gore tried to steal the 2000 election Har har! You know the troll has nothing good to say when the main gist of their criticism is about B.O. Palin Patridiot?
Shut up, Election Thief! Nobody wants to hear from you! I hear you have bad BO, besides! What is it with Democrats named "Al" that try to steal elections?? AL Gore, AL Franken...
wow, this gentleman from North Korea who I'm assuming is on drugs ranting I believe missed the point. The senator's chart was saying how the benefits that contain most of the money put into this bill don't even start immediately and there has to be a period of taxation to even save for the start of this bill let alone its progression...this is what happens when you get a loud mouthed roughian elected by an uneducated lot to occupy important positions
If you were in school and you had a homework assignment where you had to give a presentation on Benefits, when they start charging for them, and when they become effective or "kick in", and you gave a presentation only the benefits that don't kick in until after 3 years of paying for them, and left out all of the benefits that happen to kick in right away, I believe you'd fail that class.....
Al Franken, Smart, Logical, honest. Don't mess with him if you're bringing the traditional republican talking points, because you can't back them up with facts. Franken only deals in facts. Franken for President all day every day
@Rennpanzer Well now that they've legalized torture and made money more human than humans I guess they are looking for they have given up on ass or soul and just want to jerk off and beg to do more bidding for the out of sight elites.
What good has this yoyo done as Senator? He along w/Sherrod Brown are probably the most liberal Dems in the Senate. We don't need another partisan comedian in the Senate. We need an elected official that speaks up for the American people. I'll applaud Franken when he takes on & owns Sarah Palin & the teabaggers but he's an Obama sympathist. Why doesn't he stand up to his own prez when he screws up like's doing now? BTW I do NOT watch Fixed News either. Thank God for CSPAN!
How did free housing work out ? Government funded fannie mae <__----extreme fraud just like ACORN. Is anyone here happy with the results. Democrats were controlling fannie mae and lied thru their teeth.
rmcl2010 also doesn't mention that our conservative prime minister with a majority government (translation they would be able to pass anything they wanted) .. has sworn to hire more doctors and nurses from america (like he is doing.. as well as upping the # of graduating doctors and nurses in cdn schools).. HEY... if he aint repealing canada's socialist healthcare for reason that the canadian would kill him and his party.. doesn't that mean canadians like it? :)
@lloydmauler Hey Lefty, you're all babble and no facts. When are you going to explain why so many Canadians come to the U.S. to ge their life saving treatment? If Canada's health care is so superior, this wouldn't happen.
@RMCL2010 uh, to start.. babyboomers getting old and getting sick? many of them smoking? .. overloading the canadian healthcxare system? Of course rmcl2010 totally ignores the fact that the largest population segment of canada is getting old and getting sick and passing on. ;) RMCL2010 wants to keep spreading his talking points.
@lloydmauler We have the same problem here in the U.S. with an aging population. Funny thing though, Americans aren't going to Canada for life saving treatment.
@RMCL2010 you wanted a reason, i gave you a reason, now you're crying like a crybaby. i gave you an answer... now you give me one. Why are American doctors and nurses flooding to Canada to work full time? :)
@lloydmauler When you liberasl start to lose arguments, you begin the name-calling. Canada is desperate and is doing what they can to lure American doctors. Even with the new doctors coming in, your country still can't properly treat your citizens. Canadians with money come to the U.S. for treatment. I feel bad for the Canadians that can't afford to come here.
@RMCL2010 I never claimed canada's healthcare system was the best in the world or it was perfect. Your entire talking point is gs the lineups and going to the states for treatment. Please think in more than one dimension..
@RMCL2010 "for heart surgery. According to Robin Hutchinson, senior medical consultant to the Health Ministry's heart program, had the waiting list not existed and all patients given instant access to the surgery, the expected number of fatalities would have been 22 due to the operation mortality rate at that time. Hutchison noted that the BC Medical Association's media campaign did not make reference to these comparative statistics and only focused on deaths during waiting for surgery.[69]"
@lloydmauler first part didn't copy "An example is the Canadian province of British Columbia, where, according to surgeon Dr. Lawrence Burr, 15 heart patients died in 1990 while on a waiting list for heart surgery."
@lloydmauler More die in the US for lack of money. Waiting lists exist here too but more, if you are uninsured or under-insured or if your insurance denies you for whatever reason you are just as likely to die. 15 is nothing, many things could have caused that - over 45thousand die in the US just from no insurance.
No, you were talking about how i'd have to go to america for surgery if i had 5 days left.. that's wrong. You have no knowledge about our priority system. Please clue in. Also, you never did get back to me why American doctors and nurses are moving to canada to work in our system full time?
@Jaycethecoolguy Socialized medicine doesn't work. It's a disaster in Canada. It doesn't treat everone equally. People in unions are exempt from the tax on high cost health care plans until 2018. Too many people are given exemptions. It does not contain Tort Reform, which is a major reason that health care costs are so high in the 1st place. Health care decisions should be made by the physician and patient not unelected bureaucrats.
@RMCL2010 I would first argue against Tort Reform. Capping litigation damages is a terrible idea. I would suggest a documentary called Hot Coffee for more information on mandatory arbitration (a battle Al Franken has been fighting). As far as I know the exemption is two years and I believe that is to get the program up and running first. As for Tort Reform driving up costs, that is simply not true, however I would agree with our public health being below average causing some problems.
Profit is not a bad word my friend. Premiums dropped and the flow of doctors reversed: they stopped leaving and stayed in Texas. Doctors are not your slaves. You probably don't understand.
@RMCL2010 actually. it ain't bad. unless you have cancer. thankfully. many american doctors and nurses are being hired by our conservative prime minister to work full time in canada :)
RMCL2010 also doesn't mention that tort reform limits freedom of patients to try and get whatever compensation they feel is necessary. Why is RMCL2010 against freedom?
@lloydmauler I'm not against freedom. if I was against freedom, I would be for socialized medicine. Because of the lack of tort reform, many good doctors leave the medical field because they can't afford the over $100,000 annual premium. For high risk specialties, there are many doctor shortages due to the high costs of insurance.
@RMCL2010 being for tort reform is being against freedom. you ignore the patients freedom to try and get as much compensation as they feel is needed. You lie. As far as the insurance. why don't you ask the insurance companies why their liability insurance rates are so high when their net profits are at record levels? why won't you back the ammendment that if tort reform is enacted -- and rates are not lowered -- then the insurance execs get waterboarded and tasered?
RMCL2010: our universal healthcare system has an 85% approval rating amongst canadian citizens? that's hire than americans on their own healthcare system. Why do you lie. badly?
@lloydmauler I don't lie. Polls have shown that more people in the U.S. are happier with their health care than Canadians are. Canada's health care system is a disaster, which is why so many Canadians come to the U.S. for medical treatment.
@lloydmauler Fortunately, ABCs 20/20 did a news story about the disasterous Canadian Health Care System. In Canada, the waiting times for necessary treatment is outrageous. Canadians have to wait 6 months for treatment that would be treated in a couple of days in the U.S. Many Canadians are alive only becuase, after being told they'd have to wait so long they could lose their lives, they came to the U.S. and received the great treatment that Americans get.
@RMCL2010 Unfotunately, the approval ratings for canada and the qualitiy of care in canada for our healthcare is higher than americans. your talking points lose :) Hey, why are american doctors and nurses going to canada to work full time? It used to be the other way around in the 1990s.. why has it totally stopped? is it really shocking that they like the canadian healthcare system more than the american? :)
@lloydmauler It's you who lies. Polls have shown that Americans are happier than Candians with their health care. This makes sense too. U.S. Emergency room waits are much shorter and the care is better. If Canadians were happier with their care, they wouldn't come to the U.S. for life saving treatment. Canadians come to America for great health care, not the other way around.
@RMCL2010 Actually glen beck was complaining about how bad his healthcare was in american hospitals (the same high end private hospital that an exec of GE was at at the time).. and then 3 months later he's saying its great. No. Canadians are happier that hey don't have to go into bankrupcy for healthcare. They can always as you say. if they're not happy. they can get surgery elsewhere. like India or America... that is the freedom of our system. American system? you're dead.
@lloydmauler The U.S. health care system is better than Canada's. PERIOD. If lloydmauler was ill and needed immeidate treatment to survive and he had a choice of waiting 5 months in Canada or 5 days in the U.S. he would choose the U.S.
@RMCL2010 actually if i need immediate treatment to survive that would mean i'd have top priority and get surgery immediately .of course RMCL2010 has no clue how canada's healthcare actually works. and if i had 5 days i might very well chose another country like India.
@lloydmauler You should read David Gratzer's TheCure. He was a
Canadian physician who exposed the horrible Canadian health care system. And its a fact that Candadians don't get the care when they need it. The only way you would get your immeidate lifesaving care in Canada is in your dreams.
@RMCL2010 Actually if I have a leg severed I can go to the hospital and hopefully get it reattached. saving my life. for sure (what i make of it today compared to what it would be if I didn't have the life)
RMCL2010 doesn't mention this because .. um. he doesn't think outside the box. only what his party tells him to think.
@lloydmauler Even though you probably have never set foot in the U.S. , you likely have benefited from U.S. health care. Nearly all the major medical breakthroughs, treatments, & medicines are created in the U.S., not Canada.
@RMCL2010 one, assuming makes an ass out of yourself. 2. we're freezing tumors up in canada. :) ps: what has america done lately? nothing. besides raise premiums and deney claims.
@lloydmauler Look at any statistics that compares the U.S. health care technology and innovoations to Canda's and you will see the U.S. is far superior. In the U.S., we're going to have a cure for Stargardt's disease. Soon afterwards, your lefty country will be benefiting from this.
@lloydmauler I'm the one with proof. The proof that the U.S. health care system is vastly superior to Canada is the number of Canadians that come to the U.S. for life saving treatment. You're the one with the talking points.
Republicans remind me sometimes of a ten year old that doesn't want to do his/her homework. Spend more time and energy complaining and avoiding work than it would take to just do it. The bill was debated for months, if they hadn't spent so much time bitching and going on TV to whine, they would have had the time to read it several times.
@clarkkent163000 yeah primary Obama ...he betrayed everyone who voted for him.. a republican corporate stooge...wish Al would just say the word LIE about Thune
@beatles1000 what scares the rest of us is the lack of rational thought displayed by BUFFOONS such as yourself...fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.
You don't need taxes to pay for a government mandate that there be no life time limits on private insurance plans. That's a "legislative mandate" which will be based onto the costumers directly through premiums. Just like how the government mandates liability coverage for auto insurance. The customer pays through premiums....not taxes. Tax credits? Unless a business receives more tax money then what it pays in....it's cost netural to the government. Thune is right. Liberals are idiots.
@thebadguy2k6 Paying taxes is more patriotic than flag waving. Consider how much they have helped the country grow. How can you deny decades of tangible evidence of their effectiveness? Are you scared because someone who didn't chip in might get a slice of the pie? Divert your anger to the corporations who craftily dodge tax laws by hiring teams of lawyers to enable their subversion. Idiots abound, but painting us all as such only detracts from any good points you will make.
@heyyyyyynow Exactly. Paying taxes is patriotic. So why is that 50% of the nation doesn't pay taxes? Yet, that same 50% also uses 90% of the entitlement benefits. That's not patrotic....that's "redistribution of wealth" (aka, socialisim). Infact, according to your logic, wealthy people and corporations are more patriotic then poor people. The top 1% of earners pay 40% of revenues. The top 10% of earners pay 90% of revenues. No my boy, I'll keep my anger directed at the poor who don't contribute.
@thebadguy2k6 Did you not hear about big companies paying little or no taxes? General Electric collected over $10billion, paid NO TAXES, and collected benefits of over $1billion. So, how about instead focussing your anger at the RICH that don't contribute? At least the poor have a valid excuse.
By the way, your figures are misleading, because they are the percentages of wealth HELD by the top 1% and top 10% respectively. That is practically the opposite of "Revenue contributed".
@strakha0 I believe General Electric made losses in years previously - they are allowed to offset any profits made now against those losses. As for not contributing, they're providing jobs to thousands of people - all of whom pay tax.
@JimShadyUK If you are a conservative (which I assume you are), why would you be in favour of benefits for anyone, including companies that make a loss? Isn't that also socialism, but in the most insane way possible?
As for providing jobs, that they do, but that does not excuse them from paying taxes. Smaller companies that do not have offshore holdings do not get this benefit, meaning their operating costs become a lot higher in comparison. This is terrible for anyone who supports capitalism.
@strakha0 Actually no, socialisim is taking from the one group to give to another (redistribution). What you are talking about, in regards to GE, is what the rest of us know as "tax breaks". To gain a "tax break" certain conditions must be met. In the case of GE, it's reporting losses. Those losses qualify GE for a "tax break". Point and fact, GE is excused from paying US taxes as a result. Now, they may be paying taxes in other countries, but I don't know. Smaller companies aren't multinational
@strakha0 I think people should be able to get hospital treatment if they need it, and unemployment benefit if they are genuinely out of work. I don't consider that makes me a socialist.
I agree that companies should pay the tax they legally owe. If the law allows them to ship money offshore or to claim certain benefits even if they are making money hand over fist, then the law needs to be changed. If a company is complying with the law as it stands, I cannot have a problem with that.
@JimShadyUK See also my last message. I just wanted to add that I looked into General Electric a little more, and you might like to know the reason they post losses is precisely because they are channelling their profits overseas. This is what allows them to pay no US taxes AND gain benefits for their terrible "losses" while still making an overall profit. There are plenty of examples in the UK as well.
Complaining about benefit cheats makes ME feel like the conservative here.
@strakha0 When you're a multi-national corporation, you can do that. GE still has to pay taxes. They just aren't paying US taxes (which are among the highest in the world thanks to liberals). GE pays taxes in multiple nations. That's why many US companies go to China and India......very low taxes. So that is where they register all their profits. So yea, go cheerlead for higher taxes and watch what the rest of the corporations do. China and India are laughing at you all the way to the bank.
@thebadguy2k6 I'm not "cheerleading for higher taxes". I only want companies to pay their taxes on the profits they have made in each respective country, to the government of the country they are in, as their profits come from that countries people. If a company breaks the rules, they should be treated like an individual who avoids taxes by hiding their assets.
China and India? No, that's for cheap labour. Try Bahamas, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. It is a con - get the picture?
@strakha0 That's what they do!!!!!! Not sure if you are aware of this, but all governments have the force of the "GUN". Those evil corporations and companies have no choice but to either pay the tax or get shut down. These companies are not "hiding" their assets, they are mearly using modern tax law to shift funds so that their profits register in another nation (aka China/India). There is nothing illegal about it. Publicaly traded companies! Get the picture? Seriously, go take ECON 101.
@thebadguy2k6 Force of the gun? What are you talking about? We've already established that these companies are not paying taxes to the countries they are generating their revenues in. Obviously, my point is the law needs to be changed.
I say again, China and India are NOT involved in this. Banana republics like the ones I mentioned before are, who make up their GDP by participating in this exploit. They have no businesses of their own, and so can afford to do this.
@strakha0 Force of the gun means that companies have to pay taxes....they don't get to "cheat" or "not pay". They do pay taxes anywhere that they have a presence. You may not like the tax code, but it's the reason companies like GE and Proctor & Gamble still have companies in the U.S.. It is cheaper for them to operate out of China or India because our taxes and regulations are to high. And here you are demanding more. How high does the unemployment rate have to get before you admit you're wrong
@thebadguy2k6 You REALLY think that Proctor & Gamble are going to take all their drugs out of American chemists because they would have to pay taxes on their sales? If they do that, then how are they supposed to make any money? Sure, they could set up a shop in the Cayman Islands, but somehow I don't think the money they save from taxes is going to offset their loss in sales.
READ->****Finally, I keep telling you, the taxes are not paid in CHINA or INDIA, but tax havens like Bermuda****<-READ
@strakha0 Corporate taxes are paid at the location of the company HQ. Like you said, some buisnesses have their HQ's in the Cayman's and in other places for that express purpose. I know P&G real well. My father has worked for them for well over 30 years. In the case of P&G, their goal is to take dying brands and remake them, then turn around and sell them for a profit. Their latest was in selling Foldgers coffee to Smuckers (makers of jelly). Foldgers used to be P&G, but now they are Smuckers.
@thebadguy2k6 But back to your question, do I think P&G will remove their drugs from the US? My answer = NO! They will file what ever forms are neccesary to keep buisness running. Even if that means laying off every American chemist and rebranding their medicine as some sort of chinese knock off. Publically traded companies are in the business to make a profit.....profit trancends any and all moral equivalency. The end goal is profit to ppl like me who have a stake (IE shareholder).
@thebadguy2k6 Because these large corporations have the know-how and capability to effect wide swaths of the economy, you have to treat them like glass. You can't go the way of liberalisim and smash them to bits through taxes without killing off thousands of American jobs and extreme price hikes on low cost goods. You also have to compete with other nations as well. Corporations are like people, they setup shop where they can get the best bang for the buck.
@thebadguy2k6 It sucks for low skill/ low wage losers like you that have to compete with the legions of chinese/indian slave labor that these companies have at their disposal. All it takes is one US tax hike or one US regulation for these multi-national corporations to figure out that they can save more money by closing American manufacturing plants and rebuilding them in China/India which factors in the cost of intercontiental shipping and foreign taxes.
@thebadguy2k6 So you say "well they should pay their fair share". Sounds noble and righteous except you are forgetting one important factor! THEY DON'T NEED YOU AND THEY HAVE NO ALLEGENCE! The major corps that remain are few, but have run the numbers and figured that even though they pay more in wages and taxes, their particular product is more cost effective when made here. Under Obama....that is sure to change. If you want to win in the free market, you need to outperform your competition.
@thebadguy2k6 That explains a lot. What are we to do? Unless the law is changed, the only way to get profits of sales from multinationals paid in the US would be to lower tax rates below that of the Cayman Islands. That would result in a net loss of revenue from all the non-multinational US businesses, and there would be nothing stopping tax havens from lowering their rates again, because a small slice is better than nothing.
So taxes have nothing to do with this. The law needs changing.
@strakha0 I sense a "break through" here! Your are correct....in a sense. We (as in the USA) operate in a free market. A market that we have been trying to export to other nations . An effort that has not done us (Americans) any favor. Thus, you have the liberal/conservative arguement. One is exceptional (liberalisim). The other is realistic (conservative). Both assume free market principles. Your fight is not with tax rates (one of the highest in the world). Your fight is with trade policy.
@thebadguy2k6 What you "NEED" understand is that taxes are more easily effected then trade policy. Taxes and tax rates are internal (between you and I). Trade policy is between our representitives and foreign governments. Unlike tax policy, we can not change trade policy ever 4 years. You have to understand....we do not have a revenue problem (yet).....we have a spending problem. If we want to spend more (which is all fine and dandy)........
@thebadguy2k6 .......then our revenue stream has to change. Again.....spending is fine as long as you have the resources to pay for it "PLUS" have a surplus (hopefully). Currently, we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, but, we also have a trade policy (which mirrors our tax code) that benefits those that relocate overseas. None of this was intentional.....it's just the culmination of 50 years of legislation that wasn't very well thought out.
@thebadguy2k6 At this point, we can ill afford to raise taxes on "the wealthy" as that will only cause more business to leave this land. No, what we need is a transformation in trade policy. Currently, our trade policy with the likes of china/india is like two basketball teams playing in the finals where china/india is allowed to call their own fouls but we have to defer to the refs. I used to be free trade, but not anymore. You can't have free trade with those that play by different rules.
@thebadguy2k6 I don't blame the companies themselves, but the law. I don't really see what trade policy has to do with this: my fight is with the laws governing how companies pay their taxes. They should be amended in such a way as to force them to pay their taxes from the sales they make in the US. Obviously it is up to each government to do this, or allow multinationals to keep avoiding their countries taxes.
@strakha0 Current tax allow is setup to help companies expand overseas. Prior to that, American businesses were mostly stuck here in America. The one's that did trade over seas were subject to ridiculous tariffs. As an example, Brazil currently has a 200% tariff on American goods, so, there is no way the average Brazillian can buy American goods. To help get around these tariffs, tax policy was setup to allow American companies to build facilities overseas so that their products would be......
@thebadguy2k6 ........considered locally manufactured and therefore not have to pay those tariffs. Of course, the unintended consequences being what they are and the legions of low wage low skill workers outside of America, it soon became apparent to these multinational corporations that they can produce the same product in a different country and not have to deal with US taxes and regulations which are among the worst in the world. Basically, it's cheaper for them to manufacture goods and.....
@thebadguy2k6 .....then ship them over here to our store's. Since we don't charge tariff's, the only overhead that companies have to pay is the cost of shipping, which used to be real expensive, but these days, it's a lot cheaper. You can change tax policy all you want, heck, raise the top rate to 95%, all you'll do is chase more companies overseas or run the local one's into the ground and you'll just see less and less revenue until government is forced to raise taxes lesser earners.
@thebadguy2k6 I have said repeatedly that I am not looking to raise taxes, only force companies to pay the taxes which they should be paying for their profits made in the US. If local businesses can handle these tax rates, I'm sure multinationals will manage.
Companies have always been allowed to setup shop overseas, and has been happening for centuries. The reason it happens is for cheap manufacturing due to exchange rates.
This is very different to renting office space in Bermuda.
@strakha0 Well, your ideals of "fair share" (like most liberals) culminate in a tax raise and the opression of the productive class. Infact, people like you should have no say in what "FAIR' is. Your're among the class of the "takers". There is no end to what "you people" consider "fair". I've been listening to liberal propaganda for the past 2 years and it all comes down to centrailzed control of a homogenous society. The epic fail in your logic is the assumption that all men are equal.....
@thebadguy2k6 ....which is the greatest of all lies ever propagated upon a populace. From the moment you are born.....a select number of paths are open to you. Some paths are hereditary, others are chance/luck. As you gain in age, those paths begin to close in on the character that you fostered in yourself which is a by product of the decisions that you have made up to this point. Those that are wealthy were not "given" wealth. They did not steal wealth, rather, they took advantage........
@thebadguy2k6 .......of oppurnities that were presented to them. Their sole decisions (and risk taking) afforded them the wealth that they currently enjoy. Who the hell is Bill gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, or Mark Zuckerburg? These people didn't "inherent" their fortunes. They are simple better and smarter people then you and I and you have no fucking hope in hell to ever levy a claim to their earnings. I'm may not be rich or wealthy myself, but i like to think that such an oppurtunity....
@thebadguy2k6 .....is within my reach if I could realize it. Until then, I will defend the path of prosperity against socilaites like you who think that you have some feigned claim to the success of others simple because you wear the same flag. You are owed nothing except death. I've spent the pass few days trying to explain the simple basics of economics and yet people like you "STILL" think you can take what doesn't belong to you. You talk about force like it's something that can......
@thebadguy2k6 ......be willy-nilly forced through mob rule (aka democracy). You have no understanding of what REAL force is. I'll give you a clue, once the lead starts flying, 240 years of laws and legislation go right out the window. But don't worry, if shit keeps going like it is with socilaites like you attempting to lay claim to other peoples rights. You'll learn full extent of what real force is, as will your family, your kids, your friends, your pets, your property, etc.
@thebadguy2k6 Where did I say "fair share" and where did I say I wanted business taxes raised? I said specifically in my last comment that I didn't. Your comment bore no relation whatsoever to anything I said. I have nothing further to say unless you wish to re-read my last comment and reply to it.
@strakha0 You really have no idea how business works do you? They are all ready forced to pay taxes. That's why they pay taxes. People like you are mad because "you" don't think it's enough. The reason that you don't think it's enough is because we have 14.2T in debt with entitlement programs costing more then taxes collected on them. It's not a revenue problem......its a spending problem that is propagated by a culture of laziness and corruption. There are currently 6.5 billion people on.....
@thebadguy2k6 ....the planet. There will never be 6.5 Billion jobs. There will never be enough business to cover everybody. Corporations and successful businesses will always have a large field of workers to pick from. Even here in America, we've never had enough jobs for everybody, but at one time we were close. Then the civilrights era came along.....added women to the workforce. Which was all fine and great, except we didn't get enough "new" jobs to cover the workers. Then ........
@thebadguy2k6 ....we change immigration policy and over the course of 40 years, we take on millions of undereducated low skill labor from the poorest nations on Earth. Again.....very few new jobs were created. Then, we got onto this "free trade" nonsense as if we hadn't diluted our own workforce enough. Now we share our limited number of jobs with the entire planet. And guess what! Some nations like business.....such as China (1.5B people) and India (1.5B people) while........
@thebadguy2k6 .....the corrupt and lazy, through mob rule, find ways to become even more anti-business. Whether that be taxes or fees or regulations or restrictions. Give it what ever label you want. For every dollar you force a buisness to have to pay, you incentivize that business to look for oppurtunities in other places. If you want business to bring jobs back, then lower your own standards of living to that of chinese and be willing to work for $2 per day with no benefits. Till then.......
@thebadguy2k6 .....be happy with what jobs are left and pray that remaining businesses still find it financially beneficial to pay one the worlds most expensive tax rates and put up with a libraries full of regulations. Or come to the same conclusion as me and realize that our standard of living can not be exported and that our trade policy needs to be reformed with that reality in mind. It'll start a trade war, but that'll happen eventually anyway. Best to do it while we still have a Navy.
@thebadguy2k6 Just keep it brief and to the issue. What is it about this that you don't understand? Multinationals are NOT paying taxes that are in proportion with the business they do in the US, the UK, or most other western countries. They are instead paying all of it to tax havens like the ones I've mentioned to you several times now.
What I want is for a law change, at least in my country, to bring the revenue home. Your logic that it's ok because it's allowed is deeply flawed.
@strakha0 General Electric is also a major contributor to the Obama campaign.......smells criminal.....I know. But, as much as the GE/Obama relationship stinks.....GE didn't do anything illegal in regards to taxes. GE took advantage of legal tax code to reduce their overall tax bill. However, GE is just one company. By the way, my figures come directly from the IRS and it is for "EARNED INCOME". The bottom half of the country only pays about 3% in taxes. There is no other was to analyze that.
@thebadguy2k6: Your numbers are wrong. You have been lied to. Stop repeating those lies.
50% might pay net zero INCOME taxes, but they pay a much higher proportion of their income in PAYROLL taxes than the top 50%.
The 90% is a complete fabrication.
To claim that the extremely wealthy "earn" all their money and "deserve" to keep it all, you must accept the absurd premise that a man making five million dollars a year works half as hard as a man making ten million.
@NobodobodoN No, my numbers come from the IRS for Earned Income. Your argument for payroll is bunk. They get most of that money back at the end of the tax year. The wealthy do "EARN" their money. If they didn't, then it would be "stealing". Those are the only two ways you can get money. As for "deserve". That's between the man and those who are willing to pay him. Not you! Your ideals are bordering on tyranny.
@NobodobodoN Atleast you can now admit it......You'll go down the same way that King George went down and the same way your messiah is going to go down next year. Payroll taxes are nothing more then a company paying government mandated taxes on your behalf (which is included in your annual compensation among other benefits including healthcare & 401k). And here you are, demanding even more from them because Aunt Jimama can't get her weave done on time. You'll get your just rewards in due time.
@thebadguy2k6: Aunt Jemima? I'm not going to take that bait.
But I am going to ask if you're seriously calling the federal government under Reagan tyrannical. Is that really what you're saying? I suppose Eisenhower was a tyrant, too?
It's all fine and well to exaggerate for rhetorical purposes, but if you hold your ground on it, you get some pretty absurd conclusions.
Obama has fulfilled more of Bob Dole's campaign promises than his own.
@NobodobodoN Nice strawman, but we are talking about Obama....not a dead president from 30/60 years ago. Reagan raised the debt by 1T over 8 years during great economic times and defeated the USSR (Cold War?). Obama has raised the debt 4T over 2 years during bad economic times and has only raised the unemployment. Remember the calim "if we pass the Stimulus ($800B), UE will not go above 8%". Well, now it's 9. something and rising. Obama has fullfilled socialist economics and nothing more.
@thebadguy2k6: Okay, I'll take a little of the Aunt Jemima bait.
First, most welfare recipients in this country are rural white folk. That's not "all government assistance" with some overly-broad definition, that's straight up welfare.
Second, I suggest you look up the *real* numbers for how much money you can get on welfare, and try to live within that budget for just two months.
@NobodobodoN Actually, your wrong. You are just looking at raw numbers. As a % of their population, black women dominate the welfare system. I had a liberal professor who tried to make that same arguement and I embarrassed her in front 50+ students. Like wise, in a truly equal society, all statistics would mirror their racial population precentages. Whites makeup 65% of the total population. blacks 12.5%, hispanic 15%, other 4%. Whites should be 65% of everything, in an "equal" society.
@thebadguy2k6 Secondly, I don't care if welfare checks are $10 a month. That's $10 someone else had to work for just to turn around and pay to someone else. Coupled with section 8 housing, foodstamps, and medicare, a person can have everything paid for through public funds. That's not a safety net, thats corruption of the highest magnitude. I know of this corruption first hand. My step grandmother was drawing SS at age 50 because she was obese. She paid into it for 30yrs, but still corrupt.
@thebadguy2k6: My wrong? No, your wrong. And you're wrong.
I know the raw numbers and the proportions, and I stand by my statement. Blacks may receive a disproportionate amount of welfare, but they don't receive "most" of it, nor do most of them receive it, so that stereotype is a bad one.
I don't believe your "liberal professor" story and your numbers only add up to 97.5.
@NobodobodoN Well, apparently you don't, because if you did, you would understand how ignorant you are. You don't know the numbers or the proportions. Your anti-stereotype can't be proven which means that the govenrment data is legit. Here is the % in racial breakdowns as it pertains to welfare handouts (2007).
@NobodobodoN Out of date? Your numbers were never "real" to begin with. And inappropriate? Don't even get me started on that. I'll tell you what inappropriate is. Inappropriate is being intentionally lied to and guilt tripped into accepting a false premise for the purpose of acheiving a radical social-political outcome. You are not the first, nor will you be the last, to pariot the standard liberal bile. I used to think like you. But reality has a way of exposing the liberal propaganda.
Oh, wow, you've convinced me! You've changed my mind and the minds of anyone else who is reading this!
Just like you used to think like me, and then changed your mind. In high school. Or were you lying about your "liberal professor" story?
I hope when you grow up, you meet some real poor people and realize what they struggle with, and what would happen to them if the Tea Party has their way.
@NobodobodoN I hope the poor suffer their just rewards. All actions have consequences. America is the only nation where a poor person, through his/her own merits, can rise and acheive success fiscally and spiritually success. Those that decide to remain in a poor state, whether through lack of character, intelligence, ignorance, or sloth deserve to suffer. More importantly, the notion that the poor somehow have the rightful access to the wealth of others is tyranny.
@thebadguy2k6 I've been poor. Growing up, my Wal-mart bought clothes were passed on to my younger brothers and I have 2 of them. Sometimes, we survived on eating hotdogs for a straight week because money was that tight. This was in good economic times in the late 90's. Yet my bor's and I have become financially successful. Don't fucking talk to me about what the poor suffer. My mother, who was a divorced mother, raised 3 boys with out ever taking a handout from the government.
@thebadguy2k6 Eventually, my mother who worked a cash register at JC Pennies, had to file for bankruptcy chapter 11 and move in with her younger brother (my uncle) with my 2 younger brothers who were still in school. I was 17 at the time and just finished highschool. Instead of being a burden to her, I decided it best if I joined the Army right out of highschool. This, of course, was in June of 2001. Now I have security clearance, military training, and a degree in IT. I'm successful.
@thebadguy2k6 Now, here it is 2011, and I have faggots like you trying to take my earnings (through legislation) and pass it on to special interest groups. I acheived success through hard work and sacrifice. My youth was spent fighting while fags like you lived high off mommy and daddy's credit card. I didn't get to go party and have a good time. But you know what? I'm okay with that. Why? Because my success is a testiment to my own character. I didn't have to "rely" on someone else.
@thebadguy2k6 I'm a living breathing testiment to the reality that, just because you are poor or under privleged doesn't mean that the "poor" require the wealth that has been earned by smarter and brighter people. No sir. Your arguement that the poor rely on the givings of others is the greatest lie ever told to the American public. You should be ashamed of yourself for even attempting to deceive people with that falsehood. People like you are a bigger threat to America then Bin Laden ever was.
@thebadguy2k6: This is how to reply to the same person, instead of to yourself. (You're welcome.)
I just wanted to add that my taxes are the lowest they have been in my entire life. I know they'll go up soon. I'm okay with that - to a point. If I need more money than I have now, I'll find a job that pays better.
@NobodobodoN (HAHAHA) An IT professional you are not. Otherwise, you would realize that your replies are fashioned in acending order in manner in which you chose to reply. But then, someone as "back-asswards" (pun intended) as you probably does read from bottom to top. Explains much of your failed ideology too. I'm impressed that you could fool a company into hiring you. Since you "feel" your taxes are the lowest they have ever been...please....feel free to donate more to the IRS.
He voted "YEA" on the NDAA........ "NAY" on it the second time..... knowing that it would still pass anyway.
AgainstTheWind001 1 week ago
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possumpistol 1 week ago
Most Republican politicians are just incapable of getting the truth straight. Even when faced with a clear fact, they don't want to know.
leizuoer 3 weeks ago
yup... you would get an "F" ... Thune is a moron...took the seat away from a great Senator who looked out for all of us.. Millionaire Thune needs to learn presentation 101.
paulvalach 1 month ago
Franken's best point is that many of these elected idiots don't even read the bill. Folks, I've been reading tax law for some time now, and I can tell you that if you don't read the bill, you have no idea what you're getting. Hooray for Franken for exposing one of the most obvious flaws in our system.
feardrinker 1 month ago
Right wing politicians sell shit sandwiches and call them prime rib and their idiot following loves it. They like eating shit sandwiches and will ask for seconds. If you tell them they're eating shit they'll get mad at you, call you a commie and a traitor. You can open up the sandwich to prove that it's a crap sandwich and they''ll get even madder.
THEINVENTABLETHREAT 1 month ago 6
lol Palin Patriot is too funny. Alleging that Al Gore tried to steal the 2000 election Har har! You know the troll has nothing good to say when the main gist of their criticism is about B.O. Palin Patridiot?
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Paul doesn’t act like a patriot, a patriot acts like Ron Paul
In Braveheart, Mel Gibson was originally supposed to scream “RON PAUL!” however, it was changed to just “Freedom!” for legal reasons
When Chuck Norris gets scared, he goes to Ron Paul
Ron Paul could lead a horse to water AND convince it to drink
King Midas shook hands with Ron Paul once Nothing happened
When socialism goes to sleep at night, it checks under the bed for Ron Paul
flamingpeace 1 month ago
tough crowd.
jrgorilla1 1 month ago
America hates freedom
freedummy1 1 month ago
Shut up, Election Thief! Nobody wants to hear from you! I hear you have bad BO, besides! What is it with Democrats named "Al" that try to steal elections?? AL Gore, AL Franken...
ThePalinPatriot 1 month ago
@ThePalinPatriot You live in a backwards world created for you by the owners of America.
Applemask 1 month ago
@Applemask Ohh?? And how is that?? Who are the owners of America??
ThePalinPatriot 1 month ago
@ThePalinPatriot You're so thoroughly insulated from reality there's no point talking about it.
Applemask 1 month ago
@ThePalinPatriot I'm willing to debate! C'mon! You started this... I asked you 3 questions about your comment... don't be a Democrat! Man up!
ThePalinPatriot 1 month ago
@ThePalinPatriot You are an embarrassingly sad example of a moron. Wow.
loungelizard5000 2 weeks ago
@loungelizard5000 Perhaps I acted a little immature in my comments, but everything I said was true.
ThePalinPatriot 2 weeks ago
Al Franken is an idiot, says someone underneath a video in which he proves the exact opposite. Try harder.
Applemask 2 months ago 13
@Applemask i believe ThatOneGuy was referring to John Thune actually.. he (ThatOneGuy) is providing evidence that backs up Al Franken.
sissy021 1 month ago
wow, this gentleman from North Korea who I'm assuming is on drugs ranting I believe missed the point. The senator's chart was saying how the benefits that contain most of the money put into this bill don't even start immediately and there has to be a period of taxation to even save for the start of this bill let alone its progression...this is what happens when you get a loud mouthed roughian elected by an uneducated lot to occupy important positions
metalicboy 3 months ago
Is he talking about CLASS? If so, I think he lost this argument ultimately.
z4nizzle 3 months ago
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DK0526 3 months ago
@DK0526 If you ever decide to use references beyond your toilette paper you may learn something.
laurasIs2c 2 months ago
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DK0526 2 months ago
we need stuart smiley not a dem like al frankin!
Werewolfsnowcone713 3 months ago
By the way Mr. Senator from South Dakota, you may not want to battle wits with a Harvard educated, Saturday Night Live hardened Minnesotan.
OHThatOneGuy1 3 months ago in playlist Franken 4
Here is a little logic on the situation.
If you were in school and you had a homework assignment where you had to give a presentation on Benefits, when they start charging for them, and when they become effective or "kick in", and you gave a presentation only the benefits that don't kick in until after 3 years of paying for them, and left out all of the benefits that happen to kick in right away, I believe you'd fail that class.....
OHThatOneGuy1 3 months ago in playlist Franken 26
Al Franken, Smart, Logical, honest. Don't mess with him if you're bringing the traditional republican talking points, because you can't back them up with facts. Franken only deals in facts. Franken for President all day every day
OHThatOneGuy1 3 months ago 4
Wow, Republicans KICK ASS! . . . so long as they get to make up the rules of the game.
Rennpanzer 3 months ago
@Rennpanzer Well now that they've legalized torture and made money more human than humans I guess they are looking for they have given up on ass or soul and just want to jerk off and beg to do more bidding for the out of sight elites.
laurasIs2c 2 months ago
What good has this yoyo done as Senator? He along w/Sherrod Brown are probably the most liberal Dems in the Senate. We don't need another partisan comedian in the Senate. We need an elected official that speaks up for the American people. I'll applaud Franken when he takes on & owns Sarah Palin & the teabaggers but he's an Obama sympathist. Why doesn't he stand up to his own prez when he screws up like's doing now? BTW I do NOT watch Fixed News either. Thank God for CSPAN!
bucky468 3 months ago
Long live franken, god bless him
SenselessMadness 3 months ago
just making a comment man :-p
prncssndacastle269 4 months ago
I LOVE AL FRANKEN, I WATCH HIM IN HEARINGS AND HE ALWAYS SEEMS PREPARED AND READY FOR A REAL DEBATE. I'M GRATEFUL. THANK YOU MR. FRANKEN!!!
BE SURE TO VOTE, WE NEED CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS LIKE AL FRANKEN WHO WATCH OUT FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.
warmwomyn 4 months ago
Al franken fucking rules
seanwue 4 months ago
He should just say to the guy: "Who are you working for? Which lobbyist bought your vote? Who wrote your talking points?"
fuzzyone99 4 months ago
How did free housing work out ? Government funded fannie mae <__----extreme fraud just like ACORN. Is anyone here happy with the results. Democrats were controlling fannie mae and lied thru their teeth.
TheSaccasa 5 months ago
@TheSaccasa yet the person responsibnle for shutting fannie and freddie down? republicans are holding the nomination
lloydmauler 4 months ago
John Thune is a moron and looks like a serial killer ..just another corporate stooge
xadam2dudex 5 months ago
Franken is awsome
DDTphoenix 5 months ago
rmcl2010 also doesn't mention that our conservative prime minister with a majority government (translation they would be able to pass anything they wanted) .. has sworn to hire more doctors and nurses from america (like he is doing.. as well as upping the # of graduating doctors and nurses in cdn schools).. HEY... if he aint repealing canada's socialist healthcare for reason that the canadian would kill him and his party.. doesn't that mean canadians like it? :)
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler Hey Lefty, you're all babble and no facts. When are you going to explain why so many Canadians come to the U.S. to ge their life saving treatment? If Canada's health care is so superior, this wouldn't happen.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 uh, to start.. babyboomers getting old and getting sick? many of them smoking? .. overloading the canadian healthcxare system? Of course rmcl2010 totally ignores the fact that the largest population segment of canada is getting old and getting sick and passing on. ;) RMCL2010 wants to keep spreading his talking points.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler We have the same problem here in the U.S. with an aging population. Funny thing though, Americans aren't going to Canada for life saving treatment.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 you wanted a reason, i gave you a reason, now you're crying like a crybaby. i gave you an answer... now you give me one. Why are American doctors and nurses flooding to Canada to work full time? :)
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler When you liberasl start to lose arguments, you begin the name-calling. Canada is desperate and is doing what they can to lure American doctors. Even with the new doctors coming in, your country still can't properly treat your citizens. Canadians with money come to the U.S. for treatment. I feel bad for the Canadians that can't afford to come here.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 I never claimed canada's healthcare system was the best in the world or it was perfect. Your entire talking point is gs the lineups and going to the states for treatment. Please think in more than one dimension..
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 "for heart surgery. According to Robin Hutchinson, senior medical consultant to the Health Ministry's heart program, had the waiting list not existed and all patients given instant access to the surgery, the expected number of fatalities would have been 22 due to the operation mortality rate at that time. Hutchison noted that the BC Medical Association's media campaign did not make reference to these comparative statistics and only focused on deaths during waiting for surgery.[69]"
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler first part didn't copy "An example is the Canadian province of British Columbia, where, according to surgeon Dr. Lawrence Burr, 15 heart patients died in 1990 while on a waiting list for heart surgery."
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler More die in the US for lack of money. Waiting lists exist here too but more, if you are uninsured or under-insured or if your insurance denies you for whatever reason you are just as likely to die. 15 is nothing, many things could have caused that - over 45thousand die in the US just from no insurance.
axollot 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 and why are americans coming to canada for their medical pills? . :)
lloydmauler 5 months ago
No, you were talking about how i'd have to go to america for surgery if i had 5 days left.. that's wrong. You have no knowledge about our priority system. Please clue in. Also, you never did get back to me why American doctors and nurses are moving to canada to work in our system full time?
lloydmauler 5 months ago
Franken for president. I'm completely serious.
Darrylizer1 5 months ago
al franken is a piece of shit. the people of minnesota need a recall the son of a bitch now.
alnilam66 5 months ago
@alnilam66 why are you still crying like a princess? thanks.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
We are entitled to our own opinions. We are not entilted to our own facts. The facts are ObamaCare is a scam and Al Franken is an idiot.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 Awesome! So what parts of the bill do you disagree with?
Jaycethecoolguy 5 months ago
@Jaycethecoolguy Socialized medicine doesn't work. It's a disaster in Canada. It doesn't treat everone equally. People in unions are exempt from the tax on high cost health care plans until 2018. Too many people are given exemptions. It does not contain Tort Reform, which is a major reason that health care costs are so high in the 1st place. Health care decisions should be made by the physician and patient not unelected bureaucrats.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 I would first argue against Tort Reform. Capping litigation damages is a terrible idea. I would suggest a documentary called Hot Coffee for more information on mandatory arbitration (a battle Al Franken has been fighting). As far as I know the exemption is two years and I believe that is to get the program up and running first. As for Tort Reform driving up costs, that is simply not true, however I would agree with our public health being below average causing some problems.
Jaycethecoolguy 5 months ago
@Jaycethecoolguy
Gov. Perry did tort reform in Texas and the effect was positively beneficial. Look it up.
GhenisCanne 5 months ago
@GhenisCanne yes. rates stayed the same and the insurance companies pocketed the profit.
How about this. tort reform.. and if rates aren't lowered noticeably.. then the execs get waterboarded and tasered?
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler
Profit is not a bad word my friend. Premiums dropped and the flow of doctors reversed: they stopped leaving and stayed in Texas. Doctors are not your slaves. You probably don't understand.
GhenisCanne 5 months ago
@GhenisCanne don't the doctors own all the stuff in texas? is that why they bill medicare and medicaid rates 3x as much as other states do?
yeah. totally fair. uhuh. tort reform *snort*
lloydmauler 5 months ago
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@lloydmauler
"don't the doctors own all the stuff in texas? is that why they bill medicare and medicaid rates 3x as much as other states do?"
No they don't and no they don't.
You bore me.
GhenisCanne 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 I agree completely about getting bureaucrats out of the way.
Ban HMOs, Ban for-profit health insurance. Expand medicare to cover everyone. No more bureaucrats, no more profiteering.
dorbabil 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 actually. it ain't bad. unless you have cancer. thankfully. many american doctors and nurses are being hired by our conservative prime minister to work full time in canada :)
RMCL2010 also doesn't mention that tort reform limits freedom of patients to try and get whatever compensation they feel is necessary. Why is RMCL2010 against freedom?
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler I'm not against freedom. if I was against freedom, I would be for socialized medicine. Because of the lack of tort reform, many good doctors leave the medical field because they can't afford the over $100,000 annual premium. For high risk specialties, there are many doctor shortages due to the high costs of insurance.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 being for tort reform is being against freedom. you ignore the patients freedom to try and get as much compensation as they feel is needed. You lie. As far as the insurance. why don't you ask the insurance companies why their liability insurance rates are so high when their net profits are at record levels? why won't you back the ammendment that if tort reform is enacted -- and rates are not lowered -- then the insurance execs get waterboarded and tasered?
lloydmauler 5 months ago
RMCL2010: our universal healthcare system has an 85% approval rating amongst canadian citizens? that's hire than americans on their own healthcare system. Why do you lie. badly?
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler I don't lie. Polls have shown that more people in the U.S. are happier with their health care than Canadians are. Canada's health care system is a disaster, which is why so many Canadians come to the U.S. for medical treatment.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@lloydmauler Fortunately, ABCs 20/20 did a news story about the disasterous Canadian Health Care System. In Canada, the waiting times for necessary treatment is outrageous. Canadians have to wait 6 months for treatment that would be treated in a couple of days in the U.S. Many Canadians are alive only becuase, after being told they'd have to wait so long they could lose their lives, they came to the U.S. and received the great treatment that Americans get.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 Unfotunately, the approval ratings for canada and the qualitiy of care in canada for our healthcare is higher than americans. your talking points lose :) Hey, why are american doctors and nurses going to canada to work full time? It used to be the other way around in the 1990s.. why has it totally stopped? is it really shocking that they like the canadian healthcare system more than the american? :)
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 except canadian citizens rate it as 85% approving of it compared to an american style system.
RMCL fails to mention that states with tort reform.... the amount saved is just pocketed, not actually passed down to the consumer.
RMCL2010 just lies and lies.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler It's you who lies. Polls have shown that Americans are happier than Candians with their health care. This makes sense too. U.S. Emergency room waits are much shorter and the care is better. If Canadians were happier with their care, they wouldn't come to the U.S. for life saving treatment. Canadians come to America for great health care, not the other way around.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 Actually glen beck was complaining about how bad his healthcare was in american hospitals (the same high end private hospital that an exec of GE was at at the time).. and then 3 months later he's saying its great. No. Canadians are happier that hey don't have to go into bankrupcy for healthcare. They can always as you say. if they're not happy. they can get surgery elsewhere. like India or America... that is the freedom of our system. American system? you're dead.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler The U.S. health care system is better than Canada's. PERIOD. If lloydmauler was ill and needed immeidate treatment to survive and he had a choice of waiting 5 months in Canada or 5 days in the U.S. he would choose the U.S.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 actually if i need immediate treatment to survive that would mean i'd have top priority and get surgery immediately .of course RMCL2010 has no clue how canada's healthcare actually works. and if i had 5 days i might very well chose another country like India.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler You should read David Gratzer's TheCure. He was a
Canadian physician who exposed the horrible Canadian health care system. And its a fact that Candadians don't get the care when they need it. The only way you would get your immeidate lifesaving care in Canada is in your dreams.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 Actually if I have a leg severed I can go to the hospital and hopefully get it reattached. saving my life. for sure (what i make of it today compared to what it would be if I didn't have the life)
RMCL2010 doesn't mention this because .. um. he doesn't think outside the box. only what his party tells him to think.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler Even though you probably have never set foot in the U.S. , you likely have benefited from U.S. health care. Nearly all the major medical breakthroughs, treatments, & medicines are created in the U.S., not Canada.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
@RMCL2010 one, assuming makes an ass out of yourself. 2. we're freezing tumors up in canada. :) ps: what has america done lately? nothing. besides raise premiums and deney claims.
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler Look at any statistics that compares the U.S. health care technology and innovoations to Canda's and you will see the U.S. is far superior. In the U.S., we're going to have a cure for Stargardt's disease. Soon afterwards, your lefty country will be benefiting from this.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
yet rmcl2010 hasn't proved any facts. :) only talking points with no proof behind him.
:)
lloydmauler 5 months ago
@lloydmauler I'm the one with proof. The proof that the U.S. health care system is vastly superior to Canada is the number of Canadians that come to the U.S. for life saving treatment. You're the one with the talking points.
RMCL2010 5 months ago
Republicans remind me sometimes of a ten year old that doesn't want to do his/her homework. Spend more time and energy complaining and avoiding work than it would take to just do it. The bill was debated for months, if they hadn't spent so much time bitching and going on TV to whine, they would have had the time to read it several times.
newfrickinshow 5 months ago
"We are not entitled to our own facts!" - If only more politicians were aware of this FACT. Al Franken for President ASAP.
abbott790 6 months ago
Franken for prez 2016?
SVOkid86 6 months ago 40
@SVOkid86 Try 2012
clarkkent163000 5 months ago
@clarkkent163000 yeah primary Obama ...he betrayed everyone who voted for him.. a republican corporate stooge...wish Al would just say the word LIE about Thune
xadam2dudex 5 months ago
@SVOkid86 I'd rather 2012.. dump Obama the republican corporate tool
xadam2dudex 5 months ago
@SVOkid86 Never.
zekal10 3 months ago
America needs more politicians like Franken:)
MrSlayerDeth 6 months ago 32
Franken and Brown with the tag team destruction of Thune!
ticewatert 6 months ago
Bravo Al.
hangtime911 6 months ago
He has the whole pause for effect thing down to a science. What a guy.
fraseyboy1 6 months ago
Go Al!!!
sevadaj 6 months ago
Yeah...who elected Franklin. Unbamazing. Good job beatles1000. Way to enter the discussion.
jdmerlis 6 months ago
What does it say about the voters of our great country when we can elect a buffoon like Franklin? It scares me.
beatles1000 6 months ago
@beatles1000 what scares the rest of us is the lack of rational thought displayed by BUFFOONS such as yourself...fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life son.
thekpmckay 6 months ago
@thekpmckay Classy reply. you really have a way with words. enjoy the Kool-Aid.
beatles1000 6 months ago
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@beatles1000 well, based on the depth of your initial comment, thank you for proving my point.
thekpmckay 6 months ago
@beatles1000 Who said it was a great country?
TheMilitantWalrus 6 months ago
@beatles1000 You sir do not deserve to have "beatles" in your name.
TheInsanetoker420 6 months ago
You don't need taxes to pay for a government mandate that there be no life time limits on private insurance plans. That's a "legislative mandate" which will be based onto the costumers directly through premiums. Just like how the government mandates liability coverage for auto insurance. The customer pays through premiums....not taxes. Tax credits? Unless a business receives more tax money then what it pays in....it's cost netural to the government. Thune is right. Liberals are idiots.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Paying taxes is more patriotic than flag waving. Consider how much they have helped the country grow. How can you deny decades of tangible evidence of their effectiveness? Are you scared because someone who didn't chip in might get a slice of the pie? Divert your anger to the corporations who craftily dodge tax laws by hiring teams of lawyers to enable their subversion. Idiots abound, but painting us all as such only detracts from any good points you will make.
heyyyyyynow 6 months ago
@heyyyyyynow Exactly. Paying taxes is patriotic. So why is that 50% of the nation doesn't pay taxes? Yet, that same 50% also uses 90% of the entitlement benefits. That's not patrotic....that's "redistribution of wealth" (aka, socialisim). Infact, according to your logic, wealthy people and corporations are more patriotic then poor people. The top 1% of earners pay 40% of revenues. The top 10% of earners pay 90% of revenues. No my boy, I'll keep my anger directed at the poor who don't contribute.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Did you not hear about big companies paying little or no taxes? General Electric collected over $10billion, paid NO TAXES, and collected benefits of over $1billion. So, how about instead focussing your anger at the RICH that don't contribute? At least the poor have a valid excuse.
By the way, your figures are misleading, because they are the percentages of wealth HELD by the top 1% and top 10% respectively. That is practically the opposite of "Revenue contributed".
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 I believe General Electric made losses in years previously - they are allowed to offset any profits made now against those losses. As for not contributing, they're providing jobs to thousands of people - all of whom pay tax.
JimShadyUK 6 months ago
@JimShadyUK If you are a conservative (which I assume you are), why would you be in favour of benefits for anyone, including companies that make a loss? Isn't that also socialism, but in the most insane way possible?
As for providing jobs, that they do, but that does not excuse them from paying taxes. Smaller companies that do not have offshore holdings do not get this benefit, meaning their operating costs become a lot higher in comparison. This is terrible for anyone who supports capitalism.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 Actually no, socialisim is taking from the one group to give to another (redistribution). What you are talking about, in regards to GE, is what the rest of us know as "tax breaks". To gain a "tax break" certain conditions must be met. In the case of GE, it's reporting losses. Those losses qualify GE for a "tax break". Point and fact, GE is excused from paying US taxes as a result. Now, they may be paying taxes in other countries, but I don't know. Smaller companies aren't multinational
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@strakha0 I think people should be able to get hospital treatment if they need it, and unemployment benefit if they are genuinely out of work. I don't consider that makes me a socialist.
I agree that companies should pay the tax they legally owe. If the law allows them to ship money offshore or to claim certain benefits even if they are making money hand over fist, then the law needs to be changed. If a company is complying with the law as it stands, I cannot have a problem with that.
JimShadyUK 6 months ago
@JimShadyUK I completely agree :)
strakha0 6 months ago
@JimShadyUK See also my last message. I just wanted to add that I looked into General Electric a little more, and you might like to know the reason they post losses is precisely because they are channelling their profits overseas. This is what allows them to pay no US taxes AND gain benefits for their terrible "losses" while still making an overall profit. There are plenty of examples in the UK as well.
Complaining about benefit cheats makes ME feel like the conservative here.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 When you're a multi-national corporation, you can do that. GE still has to pay taxes. They just aren't paying US taxes (which are among the highest in the world thanks to liberals). GE pays taxes in multiple nations. That's why many US companies go to China and India......very low taxes. So that is where they register all their profits. So yea, go cheerlead for higher taxes and watch what the rest of the corporations do. China and India are laughing at you all the way to the bank.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 I'm not "cheerleading for higher taxes". I only want companies to pay their taxes on the profits they have made in each respective country, to the government of the country they are in, as their profits come from that countries people. If a company breaks the rules, they should be treated like an individual who avoids taxes by hiding their assets.
China and India? No, that's for cheap labour. Try Bahamas, Bermuda and the Cayman Islands. It is a con - get the picture?
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 That's what they do!!!!!! Not sure if you are aware of this, but all governments have the force of the "GUN". Those evil corporations and companies have no choice but to either pay the tax or get shut down. These companies are not "hiding" their assets, they are mearly using modern tax law to shift funds so that their profits register in another nation (aka China/India). There is nothing illegal about it. Publicaly traded companies! Get the picture? Seriously, go take ECON 101.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Force of the gun? What are you talking about? We've already established that these companies are not paying taxes to the countries they are generating their revenues in. Obviously, my point is the law needs to be changed.
I say again, China and India are NOT involved in this. Banana republics like the ones I mentioned before are, who make up their GDP by participating in this exploit. They have no businesses of their own, and so can afford to do this.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 Force of the gun means that companies have to pay taxes....they don't get to "cheat" or "not pay". They do pay taxes anywhere that they have a presence. You may not like the tax code, but it's the reason companies like GE and Proctor & Gamble still have companies in the U.S.. It is cheaper for them to operate out of China or India because our taxes and regulations are to high. And here you are demanding more. How high does the unemployment rate have to get before you admit you're wrong
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 You REALLY think that Proctor & Gamble are going to take all their drugs out of American chemists because they would have to pay taxes on their sales? If they do that, then how are they supposed to make any money? Sure, they could set up a shop in the Cayman Islands, but somehow I don't think the money they save from taxes is going to offset their loss in sales.
READ->****Finally, I keep telling you, the taxes are not paid in CHINA or INDIA, but tax havens like Bermuda****<-READ
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 Corporate taxes are paid at the location of the company HQ. Like you said, some buisnesses have their HQ's in the Cayman's and in other places for that express purpose. I know P&G real well. My father has worked for them for well over 30 years. In the case of P&G, their goal is to take dying brands and remake them, then turn around and sell them for a profit. Their latest was in selling Foldgers coffee to Smuckers (makers of jelly). Foldgers used to be P&G, but now they are Smuckers.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 But back to your question, do I think P&G will remove their drugs from the US? My answer = NO! They will file what ever forms are neccesary to keep buisness running. Even if that means laying off every American chemist and rebranding their medicine as some sort of chinese knock off. Publically traded companies are in the business to make a profit.....profit trancends any and all moral equivalency. The end goal is profit to ppl like me who have a stake (IE shareholder).
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Because these large corporations have the know-how and capability to effect wide swaths of the economy, you have to treat them like glass. You can't go the way of liberalisim and smash them to bits through taxes without killing off thousands of American jobs and extreme price hikes on low cost goods. You also have to compete with other nations as well. Corporations are like people, they setup shop where they can get the best bang for the buck.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 It sucks for low skill/ low wage losers like you that have to compete with the legions of chinese/indian slave labor that these companies have at their disposal. All it takes is one US tax hike or one US regulation for these multi-national corporations to figure out that they can save more money by closing American manufacturing plants and rebuilding them in China/India which factors in the cost of intercontiental shipping and foreign taxes.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 So you say "well they should pay their fair share". Sounds noble and righteous except you are forgetting one important factor! THEY DON'T NEED YOU AND THEY HAVE NO ALLEGENCE! The major corps that remain are few, but have run the numbers and figured that even though they pay more in wages and taxes, their particular product is more cost effective when made here. Under Obama....that is sure to change. If you want to win in the free market, you need to outperform your competition.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 That explains a lot. What are we to do? Unless the law is changed, the only way to get profits of sales from multinationals paid in the US would be to lower tax rates below that of the Cayman Islands. That would result in a net loss of revenue from all the non-multinational US businesses, and there would be nothing stopping tax havens from lowering their rates again, because a small slice is better than nothing.
So taxes have nothing to do with this. The law needs changing.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 I sense a "break through" here! Your are correct....in a sense. We (as in the USA) operate in a free market. A market that we have been trying to export to other nations . An effort that has not done us (Americans) any favor. Thus, you have the liberal/conservative arguement. One is exceptional (liberalisim). The other is realistic (conservative). Both assume free market principles. Your fight is not with tax rates (one of the highest in the world). Your fight is with trade policy.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 What you "NEED" understand is that taxes are more easily effected then trade policy. Taxes and tax rates are internal (between you and I). Trade policy is between our representitives and foreign governments. Unlike tax policy, we can not change trade policy ever 4 years. You have to understand....we do not have a revenue problem (yet).....we have a spending problem. If we want to spend more (which is all fine and dandy)........
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 .......then our revenue stream has to change. Again.....spending is fine as long as you have the resources to pay for it "PLUS" have a surplus (hopefully). Currently, we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world, but, we also have a trade policy (which mirrors our tax code) that benefits those that relocate overseas. None of this was intentional.....it's just the culmination of 50 years of legislation that wasn't very well thought out.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 At this point, we can ill afford to raise taxes on "the wealthy" as that will only cause more business to leave this land. No, what we need is a transformation in trade policy. Currently, our trade policy with the likes of china/india is like two basketball teams playing in the finals where china/india is allowed to call their own fouls but we have to defer to the refs. I used to be free trade, but not anymore. You can't have free trade with those that play by different rules.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 I don't blame the companies themselves, but the law. I don't really see what trade policy has to do with this: my fight is with the laws governing how companies pay their taxes. They should be amended in such a way as to force them to pay their taxes from the sales they make in the US. Obviously it is up to each government to do this, or allow multinationals to keep avoiding their countries taxes.
IF taxes are too high, they could be lowered.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 Current tax allow is setup to help companies expand overseas. Prior to that, American businesses were mostly stuck here in America. The one's that did trade over seas were subject to ridiculous tariffs. As an example, Brazil currently has a 200% tariff on American goods, so, there is no way the average Brazillian can buy American goods. To help get around these tariffs, tax policy was setup to allow American companies to build facilities overseas so that their products would be......
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 ........considered locally manufactured and therefore not have to pay those tariffs. Of course, the unintended consequences being what they are and the legions of low wage low skill workers outside of America, it soon became apparent to these multinational corporations that they can produce the same product in a different country and not have to deal with US taxes and regulations which are among the worst in the world. Basically, it's cheaper for them to manufacture goods and.....
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 .....then ship them over here to our store's. Since we don't charge tariff's, the only overhead that companies have to pay is the cost of shipping, which used to be real expensive, but these days, it's a lot cheaper. You can change tax policy all you want, heck, raise the top rate to 95%, all you'll do is chase more companies overseas or run the local one's into the ground and you'll just see less and less revenue until government is forced to raise taxes lesser earners.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 I have said repeatedly that I am not looking to raise taxes, only force companies to pay the taxes which they should be paying for their profits made in the US. If local businesses can handle these tax rates, I'm sure multinationals will manage.
Companies have always been allowed to setup shop overseas, and has been happening for centuries. The reason it happens is for cheap manufacturing due to exchange rates.
This is very different to renting office space in Bermuda.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 Well, your ideals of "fair share" (like most liberals) culminate in a tax raise and the opression of the productive class. Infact, people like you should have no say in what "FAIR' is. Your're among the class of the "takers". There is no end to what "you people" consider "fair". I've been listening to liberal propaganda for the past 2 years and it all comes down to centrailzed control of a homogenous society. The epic fail in your logic is the assumption that all men are equal.....
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 ....which is the greatest of all lies ever propagated upon a populace. From the moment you are born.....a select number of paths are open to you. Some paths are hereditary, others are chance/luck. As you gain in age, those paths begin to close in on the character that you fostered in yourself which is a by product of the decisions that you have made up to this point. Those that are wealthy were not "given" wealth. They did not steal wealth, rather, they took advantage........
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 .......of oppurnities that were presented to them. Their sole decisions (and risk taking) afforded them the wealth that they currently enjoy. Who the hell is Bill gates, Steve Jobs, Warren Buffet, or Mark Zuckerburg? These people didn't "inherent" their fortunes. They are simple better and smarter people then you and I and you have no fucking hope in hell to ever levy a claim to their earnings. I'm may not be rich or wealthy myself, but i like to think that such an oppurtunity....
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 .....is within my reach if I could realize it. Until then, I will defend the path of prosperity against socilaites like you who think that you have some feigned claim to the success of others simple because you wear the same flag. You are owed nothing except death. I've spent the pass few days trying to explain the simple basics of economics and yet people like you "STILL" think you can take what doesn't belong to you. You talk about force like it's something that can......
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 ......be willy-nilly forced through mob rule (aka democracy). You have no understanding of what REAL force is. I'll give you a clue, once the lead starts flying, 240 years of laws and legislation go right out the window. But don't worry, if shit keeps going like it is with socilaites like you attempting to lay claim to other peoples rights. You'll learn full extent of what real force is, as will your family, your kids, your friends, your pets, your property, etc.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Where did I say "fair share" and where did I say I wanted business taxes raised? I said specifically in my last comment that I didn't. Your comment bore no relation whatsoever to anything I said. I have nothing further to say unless you wish to re-read my last comment and reply to it.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 You really have no idea how business works do you? They are all ready forced to pay taxes. That's why they pay taxes. People like you are mad because "you" don't think it's enough. The reason that you don't think it's enough is because we have 14.2T in debt with entitlement programs costing more then taxes collected on them. It's not a revenue problem......its a spending problem that is propagated by a culture of laziness and corruption. There are currently 6.5 billion people on.....
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 ....the planet. There will never be 6.5 Billion jobs. There will never be enough business to cover everybody. Corporations and successful businesses will always have a large field of workers to pick from. Even here in America, we've never had enough jobs for everybody, but at one time we were close. Then the civilrights era came along.....added women to the workforce. Which was all fine and great, except we didn't get enough "new" jobs to cover the workers. Then ........
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 ....we change immigration policy and over the course of 40 years, we take on millions of undereducated low skill labor from the poorest nations on Earth. Again.....very few new jobs were created. Then, we got onto this "free trade" nonsense as if we hadn't diluted our own workforce enough. Now we share our limited number of jobs with the entire planet. And guess what! Some nations like business.....such as China (1.5B people) and India (1.5B people) while........
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 .....the corrupt and lazy, through mob rule, find ways to become even more anti-business. Whether that be taxes or fees or regulations or restrictions. Give it what ever label you want. For every dollar you force a buisness to have to pay, you incentivize that business to look for oppurtunities in other places. If you want business to bring jobs back, then lower your own standards of living to that of chinese and be willing to work for $2 per day with no benefits. Till then.......
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 .....be happy with what jobs are left and pray that remaining businesses still find it financially beneficial to pay one the worlds most expensive tax rates and put up with a libraries full of regulations. Or come to the same conclusion as me and realize that our standard of living can not be exported and that our trade policy needs to be reformed with that reality in mind. It'll start a trade war, but that'll happen eventually anyway. Best to do it while we still have a Navy.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Just keep it brief and to the issue. What is it about this that you don't understand? Multinationals are NOT paying taxes that are in proportion with the business they do in the US, the UK, or most other western countries. They are instead paying all of it to tax havens like the ones I've mentioned to you several times now.
What I want is for a law change, at least in my country, to bring the revenue home. Your logic that it's ok because it's allowed is deeply flawed.
strakha0 6 months ago
@strakha0 General Electric is also a major contributor to the Obama campaign.......smells criminal.....I know. But, as much as the GE/Obama relationship stinks.....GE didn't do anything illegal in regards to taxes. GE took advantage of legal tax code to reduce their overall tax bill. However, GE is just one company. By the way, my figures come directly from the IRS and it is for "EARNED INCOME". The bottom half of the country only pays about 3% in taxes. There is no other was to analyze that.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: Your numbers are wrong. You have been lied to. Stop repeating those lies.
50% might pay net zero INCOME taxes, but they pay a much higher proportion of their income in PAYROLL taxes than the top 50%.
The 90% is a complete fabrication.
To claim that the extremely wealthy "earn" all their money and "deserve" to keep it all, you must accept the absurd premise that a man making five million dollars a year works half as hard as a man making ten million.
NobodobodoN 6 months ago
@NobodobodoN No, my numbers come from the IRS for Earned Income. Your argument for payroll is bunk. They get most of that money back at the end of the tax year. The wealthy do "EARN" their money. If they didn't, then it would be "stealing". Those are the only two ways you can get money. As for "deserve". That's between the man and those who are willing to pay him. Not you! Your ideals are bordering on tyranny.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: Payroll taxes are not bunk. You 90% figure is.
If tyranny means restoring tax rates and basic services to what they were in 1988, then I guess I'm a tyrant.
NobodobodoN 6 months ago
@NobodobodoN Atleast you can now admit it......You'll go down the same way that King George went down and the same way your messiah is going to go down next year. Payroll taxes are nothing more then a company paying government mandated taxes on your behalf (which is included in your annual compensation among other benefits including healthcare & 401k). And here you are, demanding even more from them because Aunt Jimama can't get her weave done on time. You'll get your just rewards in due time.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: Aunt Jemima? I'm not going to take that bait.
But I am going to ask if you're seriously calling the federal government under Reagan tyrannical. Is that really what you're saying? I suppose Eisenhower was a tyrant, too?
It's all fine and well to exaggerate for rhetorical purposes, but if you hold your ground on it, you get some pretty absurd conclusions.
Obama has fulfilled more of Bob Dole's campaign promises than his own.
NobodobodoN 6 months ago
@NobodobodoN Nice strawman, but we are talking about Obama....not a dead president from 30/60 years ago. Reagan raised the debt by 1T over 8 years during great economic times and defeated the USSR (Cold War?). Obama has raised the debt 4T over 2 years during bad economic times and has only raised the unemployment. Remember the calim "if we pass the Stimulus ($800B), UE will not go above 8%". Well, now it's 9. something and rising. Obama has fullfilled socialist economics and nothing more.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: Okay, I'll take a little of the Aunt Jemima bait.
First, most welfare recipients in this country are rural white folk. That's not "all government assistance" with some overly-broad definition, that's straight up welfare.
Second, I suggest you look up the *real* numbers for how much money you can get on welfare, and try to live within that budget for just two months.
NobodobodoN 6 months ago
@NobodobodoN Actually, your wrong. You are just looking at raw numbers. As a % of their population, black women dominate the welfare system. I had a liberal professor who tried to make that same arguement and I embarrassed her in front 50+ students. Like wise, in a truly equal society, all statistics would mirror their racial population precentages. Whites makeup 65% of the total population. blacks 12.5%, hispanic 15%, other 4%. Whites should be 65% of everything, in an "equal" society.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Secondly, I don't care if welfare checks are $10 a month. That's $10 someone else had to work for just to turn around and pay to someone else. Coupled with section 8 housing, foodstamps, and medicare, a person can have everything paid for through public funds. That's not a safety net, thats corruption of the highest magnitude. I know of this corruption first hand. My step grandmother was drawing SS at age 50 because she was obese. She paid into it for 30yrs, but still corrupt.
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: My wrong? No, your wrong. And you're wrong.
I know the raw numbers and the proportions, and I stand by my statement. Blacks may receive a disproportionate amount of welfare, but they don't receive "most" of it, nor do most of them receive it, so that stereotype is a bad one.
I don't believe your "liberal professor" story and your numbers only add up to 97.5.
NobodobodoN 6 months ago
@NobodobodoN Well, apparently you don't, because if you did, you would understand how ignorant you are. You don't know the numbers or the proportions. Your anti-stereotype can't be proven which means that the govenrment data is legit. Here is the % in racial breakdowns as it pertains to welfare handouts (2007).
White 38.8%
Black 39.8
Hispanic 15.7
Asian 2.4
other 3.3
thebadguy2k6 6 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: I'll have to double check that, but I am willing to admit my numbers may be out of date.
Are you willing to admit that your "Aunt Jemima" characterization of all welfare recipients is inappropriate?
NobodobodoN 6 months ago
@NobodobodoN Out of date? Your numbers were never "real" to begin with. And inappropriate? Don't even get me started on that. I'll tell you what inappropriate is. Inappropriate is being intentionally lied to and guilt tripped into accepting a false premise for the purpose of acheiving a radical social-political outcome. You are not the first, nor will you be the last, to pariot the standard liberal bile. I used to think like you. But reality has a way of exposing the liberal propaganda.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: Radical? Bile? Propaganda?
Oh, wow, you've convinced me! You've changed my mind and the minds of anyone else who is reading this!
Just like you used to think like me, and then changed your mind. In high school. Or were you lying about your "liberal professor" story?
I hope when you grow up, you meet some real poor people and realize what they struggle with, and what would happen to them if the Tea Party has their way.
NobodobodoN 5 months ago
@NobodobodoN I hope the poor suffer their just rewards. All actions have consequences. America is the only nation where a poor person, through his/her own merits, can rise and acheive success fiscally and spiritually success. Those that decide to remain in a poor state, whether through lack of character, intelligence, ignorance, or sloth deserve to suffer. More importantly, the notion that the poor somehow have the rightful access to the wealth of others is tyranny.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 I've been poor. Growing up, my Wal-mart bought clothes were passed on to my younger brothers and I have 2 of them. Sometimes, we survived on eating hotdogs for a straight week because money was that tight. This was in good economic times in the late 90's. Yet my bor's and I have become financially successful. Don't fucking talk to me about what the poor suffer. My mother, who was a divorced mother, raised 3 boys with out ever taking a handout from the government.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Eventually, my mother who worked a cash register at JC Pennies, had to file for bankruptcy chapter 11 and move in with her younger brother (my uncle) with my 2 younger brothers who were still in school. I was 17 at the time and just finished highschool. Instead of being a burden to her, I decided it best if I joined the Army right out of highschool. This, of course, was in June of 2001. Now I have security clearance, military training, and a degree in IT. I'm successful.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 Now, here it is 2011, and I have faggots like you trying to take my earnings (through legislation) and pass it on to special interest groups. I acheived success through hard work and sacrifice. My youth was spent fighting while fags like you lived high off mommy and daddy's credit card. I didn't get to go party and have a good time. But you know what? I'm okay with that. Why? Because my success is a testiment to my own character. I didn't have to "rely" on someone else.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago
@thebadguy2k6 I'm a living breathing testiment to the reality that, just because you are poor or under privleged doesn't mean that the "poor" require the wealth that has been earned by smarter and brighter people. No sir. Your arguement that the poor rely on the givings of others is the greatest lie ever told to the American public. You should be ashamed of yourself for even attempting to deceive people with that falsehood. People like you are a bigger threat to America then Bin Laden ever was.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago
@thebadguy2k6: This is how to reply to the same person, instead of to yourself. (You're welcome.)
I just wanted to add that my taxes are the lowest they have been in my entire life. I know they'll go up soon. I'm okay with that - to a point. If I need more money than I have now, I'll find a job that pays better.
NobodobodoN 5 months ago
@NobodobodoN (HAHAHA) An IT professional you are not. Otherwise, you would realize that your replies are fashioned in acending order in manner in which you chose to reply. But then, someone as "back-asswards" (pun intended) as you probably does read from bottom to top. Explains much of your failed ideology too. I'm impressed that you could fool a company into hiring you. Since you "feel" your taxes are the lowest they have ever been...please....feel free to donate more to the IRS.
thebadguy2k6 5 months ago