Dodecaphony, Atonal Music.

[yVivaPeronCarajo]

que esta mierda es una mierda

[hamett]

a partir de 1:20 es asombroso!

[ruiran0326]

@GrammarNazify have you studied any piano theory? if you have then you would know that there's a concept behind this music

[ruiran0326]

@michalmigdat @Wizmar this only sounds boring because its a midi file - no musicality at all... but great job composing the piece @tomasahlin

[Wizmar]

This makes me want to kill myself.

[KhagarBalugrak]

This is so homoerotic

[surfchick94]

isnt it called the twelve tone row? not dodecaphony?

[zenmachinefilms]

I studied this in college some 20 years ago. I never really liked it much at all, though I have to admit it helped open my ear, and mind, and aspects of it made an impression upon me.

Glenn Gould's treatment of Schoenberg is surprisingly lyrical for those looking for something easier to listen to than this here.

[annefrankisaho]

Schoenberg can be offputting because of the mathematical concepts he melodically constructed from, but the important thing to remember is that it wasn't a restriction; he broke his own rules when it was artistically viable. Atonalism and the stuff it's associated with was only a device to break out of the late-romantic idiom and find new building blocks for organic, human art.

[annefrankisaho]

@iorost

Of course it's not. Thrash metal bands wrote in a fairly tonal idiom, for all their violence. Schoenberg makes them look like babies.

[Masterful6O]

@annefrankisaho using another language doesn't mean being more violent, I bet a skilled composer could compose music as soothing as Mozart's using dodecaphonism... to the ears willing to accept it.

[AtonalMarimba]

Is the PIece Atonal Marimba by Preston Smith the Same kind of sound?

[blackvolgan]

this is sinister

[GrammarNaziify]

Atonal is worse than justin beiber ugh. People only listen to this shit so they can feel unique. No one actually likes it.

[AEFic]

@GrammarNaziify I like it. Well, atonal music, not necessarily this piece (sorry tomasahlin). But I genuinely enjoy Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, Penderecki, and several other composers. Webern's string works are fantastic, as is Penderecki's Threnody for the Victims of Hiroshima. But you're first mistake is even saying "... is worse than Justin Beiber". You have thus proven that you do not understand subjectivity of music, as only 13 year olds say things like "____ sucks, ____ is way better."

[tucker441]

@GrammarNaziify people don't nesecarily listen to atonal music because the music itself is the most enjoyable, we listen to it because its interesting to hear what people can do with it. Its cool to see someone who can take a set of rules by which no one should be able to make anything other than noise and make something pleasant.

and not to sound like a complete douche, but you would understand better if you were a musician.

[GrammarNaziify]

@tucker441 Umm first of all, I am a musician.  Second, this is just noise! It's not beautiful and just because your mind is tricking you that it is doesn't change the fact that it's just noise.

If I recorded a 5 year old rolling his face over a keyboard and called it atonal and just gave you the audio you would think that it was beautiful and amazing because it's a psychological effect but if you knew that it was just a five year old rolling his face you would say that it was crap.

[tucker441]

@GrammarNaziify sorry dude but this isn't just noise, you can't deny the use of rhythmic and melodic motives in this piece. And again I never said it was beautiful, I said it was interesting.

The cool part of Atonal music is that melody takes a back seat to motivic development and rhythm.

you see beiber (whom I hate bringing into discussions on youtube, but I feel the need since you mentioned him in earlier posts) is like the twilight books. Cont.

[tucker441]

@tucker441 they are enjoyable to a large number of people on a very shallow level. then you have other modern music, lets say weezer (why not?) who are entertaining and have some wit and lyricism, and mange to be entertaining and still meaningful on a deeper level. this would be something like Enders game (as in still very entertaining and meaningful)

and lastly you have stuff like this. its not the most entertaining, but it has a lot of merit, like a science journal or the news paper

[GrammarNaziify]

@tucker441 Huh? Science journals are very entertaining! And unlike this crap, they are coherent. Listening to this is equivalent to reading a newspaper article that was typed by a cat walking over a keyboard.

[tucker441]

@GrammarNaziify I guess you just can't see whats interesting about this music. I am done arguing with you on this. I have presented my case in a logical way and a couple of good points. all you have done is called it noise with no real argument as to why it is not music.

[liquidmotion10]

@GrammarNaziify If you are actually a musician, then you are obviously not very well trained and you have not studied enough music to know what the hell you're talking about.

[xxxslayerxxx666]

@GrammarNaziify i bet you feel pretty damn unique right now....but no, somehow people like to expand their minds(but this is annoying, this was a demonstration) stuff like stockhausen, messiaen, varese, and xenakis bring atonal music out very well!) and i still listen to fleshwrought, animals as leaders, chimp spanner, blotted science and spastic ink....but then next minute i'm listening to she and him, the hoosiers, jamiroquai, matt and kim, earth wind and fire, tegan and sara, or g. love!

[janken919]

When music has no tonal center, but uses the notes from C Major(or any Major or minor scale)....what does that classify as?

[iateyou13]

Atonal with a groove,

I like it.

[Ranzess2]

@iorost Loool. ))

[ringu]

I don't know what it is, but I really enjoyed it.

[Barmino]

@iorost Haha dude, you just made my day !

[minorSi]

lol this is far away from atonality...  and where did you read that dodecaphony influenced Stravinksy...? gut try though

[hymntonight]

@minorSi i'm pretty sure it did ... Stravinsky did write 12 tone music, or at least serial music. it's just not his famous stuff.

[darthdidious]

@minorSi

It is well-known that later in his career Stravinsky began composing serial music, though he has his own unique approach.

[nidvoraev]

thank you

[georgiowee]

no! the concept does not apply !

please consider from a new starting point of view what Mr A.S. really meant!

[michaelmigdat]

When people go to hell Satin locks them in a room that is constantly playing this song while little dwarfs spit on you.

[XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX]

@michaelmigdat do you need help

[SlapmybassRicky]

@michaelmigdat Little dwarfs compared to??? lol

[ziggymacarthur]

more like gorguts

[didntsave]

I hear a tonal center with the pitch C... I don't know if its just me or what...

[bma051000]

This sounds absolutely deplorable. Melody > atonal any day.

[XpEAnUTBuTtERsUckSX]

@bma051000 imagine little dwarfs running around

[darthdidious]

@bma051000

Atonal music has melodies too.

[surpreendido]

angry, gloomy music

[ceilingkatt]

your doing it wrong. just because every pitch is used and equal number of times (therefore, no bias towards a particular pitch), does not remove the presence of a tonal centre.

[SessileNomad]

@ceilingkatt i disagree, its called atonal for a reason

[ceilingkatt]

@SessileNomad its called atonal for no reason. the word atonal suggests there is a lack of relationship between tones/pitches. only drumming is truely atonal.

[SessileNomad]

@ceilingkatt again, i disagree, drumming can be tonal

back to the original point, if all notes are equal, how can their be a center?

[pacolote]

i love this, it's magical

[wagerfilmART]

I enjoyed your composition. 12 tone music doesn't have to be text-book strict, so what you wrote is great.

[franorive]

@tomasahlin the interval E-C# is played two times, at 2 and at 5 sec. and between them you are not playing the other 10 semitones. am i wrong?

[tomasahlin]

@franorive at 0:07 where the interval E-> C# is played the first note contains two tones thus including the tone that you thought where missing,  The stuff at the very beginning that repeats twice (a sequence of 5 notes), those 5 notes contains 2 - 3 tones each, thus in that 5 note sequence all twelve tones are used before the repeat.

[franorive]

hey! this is not dodecaphony! learn it first then publish it. it may be confusing.

Second 2 makes the same note that second 5,5

[drhoobad]

Dodecaphony=cacophony

[HairballPaul]

The imperfections in the video are fascinating. How did you make the video part?

Music's alright :P

[tomasahlin]

@HairballPaul

I used one of the effects in "windows movie maker" Don't remember which one.. but I thought only having a photo would be boring so I added some effect :)

[dideoxynucleotide]

What piece is this?

[tomasahlin]

@dideoxynucleotide

It's my own :) I learned about the rules for dodecaphony and I found them fascinating. I probably wouldn't be able to keep track of really using all twelve tones if I'd played on a real keyboard so I programmed it in the computer to get things right.

I guess between 1:11 to 1:18 is a little disappointing now when I've got perspective on this.

[elveto88]

dodecaphony = ideology to use all 12 notes before playing the first note again. these are applied to much more then notes alone. ie. the key the music is in etc.

microtonal music = basically adding more notes to the 12 note octave. like the use of quarter notes in stead of half tones

serialism= dodecaphony + the dodecaphonic principles applied to tone dynamic length and color

... if i paid any attention in class ^^

[darthdidious]

@elveto88

dodecaphony and serialism are interchangeable; they essentially mean the same thing (though dodecaphony refers specifically to the serialisation of pitch; musical parameters besides pitch can and have been serialised).

[CristianDior]

You have to research more about to serial music and then try again. But it's a good effort BTW

[tamldn]

;-D

[Familyguyaddict01]

I like it xD

[scaleshort]

This is commercial, but microtonal is REAL hell...

[lucadepu]

this is not microtonal music. this is serialism, although not integral serialism for only a piano is playing

[Atern0x]

Then hell is awesome! :D

[bireman]

@scaleshort this is not mocrotonal but atonal