I am pretty sure once the current mothership is removed ...they will adjust THIS one for the metagame of the 2nd expansion's seasons (after heart of the swarm)
i am already praying for it to come back in the legacy of the void.... =)
Sad I thought that this would be the ship on the game but... not at all in change protss get a fragile and expensive units ¬.¬! this SC2 looks like It was made for terran race they got a lot add ons and upgrades
this is mothership is redicouleslly OP....a sole mothership,that costs 100 gas more then a BC can take out 3 BCs,mass marines,5 missle torrents and another army of flying units with a black hole and still be on an orange lifebar.....this is redicouless...realistic thought-its an super high tech alien mothership after all...but it has no place in game...
@joakin88 thors are expensive as fuck,and can be easily taken down with a mass of cheap units like roaches,marauders,marines,hydras,stalkers etc....and they can also be owned by high temps for half of their hp because have energy...
its all about the right counter....what execly is OP about thors?
@DeMishMIsh My point is not that thors are OP, my point is that mothership sucks, it's weak, expensive, it can be taken down easily with rines, mutas, etc. and worst of all, unlike thors, you can only have one mothership, Blizzard even got mothership out of the heart of the swarm expansion.
@joakin88 yeah,sadly they were too lazy to balance it....the mothership had an amazing potential....blizzard simpley didnt have the brains to make it right,well,they did make it right atfirst,but ruined it completely slowly but surely...
mass battlecruiser+black hole not vortex=GG and op of mothership i wouldve kept this mothership but removed black hole with vortex and keep other abillities maybe add more shields and hp and armor more energy and there you go worthy mothership
In the trailer they were like having this serious voice guy to explain all that to make ppl get excited and then got rit of those awesome skills even before ppl getting to try it even in the use map settings. It's totally gone. Blizzard asshole get freezed to death !
@newbiedoodle I second this. Anyone know a custom map where there's a good Mothership in it? Not retarded overpowered, but something fairly balanced and worth using?
@FrozenAnarchy I actually remember a map I once played where one person started with one "Destroyer", which is incredibly OP, and the other person had infinite money but only regular units. I won with only the destroyer, despite my friend having four times the regular health on his units.
i think the reason the mothership was given less abilities because it was wayy to powerful... but then again.. hopefully we might see a change in the next two expansion... hopefullly
@0:20 The protoss mothership should be the best unit in the game if is the ultimate weapon of war. WTF was Blizzard Thinking when they nerff her abilities Made her move so slow that only a reaver can keep up. IF the protoss were so smat at personal cloaking with the Obs I would also give it the abilty to cloak nearby Units too. How dissapointing Blizzard NEEDS TO GET SMART WITH THE PROTOSS.
LMFAOOO! Where in the game is this mothership? I think we got stuck with the made in china version.. Vortex? LMFAO, give me that black hole thank you!
@TheBLTproduction Blizzard wants to remove the Mothership from Multiplayer on Heart of Swarm because it's "Overpowered". It was a pointless addition to the arsenal of protoss. The cost was just terrible, and for what? Cloaking units, just putting them in statis fields? Mass recall? I mean really, they could just make Arbiters again! What part of lore stopped Blizzard from keep Arbiters? I mean okay i can understand if it's too powerful, but as a support unit it should be powerful somewhat!
they shouldn't nerf the mothership like this. It would make us Starcraft 2 players easier if they just took it out, becuase in the latest apatch they took out the LAST USE of the mothership-> Archon Toilet. Now everything is invulnerable for 1.5 seconds. It is a SLOW, WEAK, USELESS, EXPENSIVE unit, that TAKES A LONG TIME TO MAKE. Plz give the old mommaship back or take her out Blizzard!
I remember, even before all the nerfs, when the mothership was the offensive tank in my army. Now, when I see all those amazing abilities replaced with support type moves and very weaken stats, I start blaming those noobs who cried to Blizzard about it.
You do get that even if thats how a mothership would really be, it's unbalanced, and not just to other races. I mean, So much firepower and damage can be caused, and then suddenly you got no energy, and the mothership now sucks.
The mothership is now nothing more than an arbiter which can attack, and 1 extra and COMPLETELY useless ability, Vortex. Which is USELESS because the enemy will purposefully send all their forces into the Vortex, and when the Vortex's time is up, it will be exactly as it would if you hadn't cast the Vortex.
@BabysFace Vortex is almost exactly like Stasis Field for Arbiters. And yeah, I know what you mean though. Noobs who lost a game to this cried to Blizzard, "Blizzard, I lost a game against this so it's too powerful, nerf it please!" Seriously, this is supposed to one of the most powerful units in the game, and you can only have one, yet I lost one of mine to 4 vikings. FOUR. After my mothership was dead, there were 3 vikings and only one was critically damaged.
@deadmeat90 I used vortex. Yippee. They all popped out and attacked from behind. I tried to bring in 2 phoenixes in to reinforce. Whoops. Mothership went down already, and the phoenixes took down two more vikings before a cruiser came in. Yeah. I REALLY didn't use abilities right.
Face it, it's offensive capabilities (the little pea-shooter lasers) suck, 6 for 6 dmg on ONE target?! It's defensive capabilities don't exist. Vortex doesn't kill, recall will take all your army away from your base.
@TankCommander451 Still...not using the abilities that great. I personally would try to suck in a few of them and kill the others and reinforce. Not my fault you don't know how to back up your units.
"It is the ultimate weapon of war in the Protoss arsenal." lol bet they can't say that now. the black hole was a little op but everything else was fine. wtf.
See, maybe Blizzard thought that the original mothership was OP, but the new one just sucks hydralisk tits. And frankly, I would rather have an OP unit that makes the enemy THINK about how they're going to overcome it, such as spreading out your air units to avoid black holes, hence the name REAL TIME STRATEGY. Now, it's just sit-on-your-ass strategy. No micro involved. All you have to do is either send in 3 voids, 3 corruptors or 3 vikings and it DIES. How do ya like THAT?
The old mothership looks so badass, and all the abilities it has like the time bomb look really complex and hard to develop. I am surprised they removed them!
I wonder what happened. Maybe the protoss got retarded at some point of history.
The Mothershit. Reduced from the ultimate weapon against any and all foes...into a flying target for all Terrans and Zerg around.
Hey, at least it'll keep the heat off your Void Rays before they get fucked as well.
Might wanna cross your fingers and pray your opponent is a dumb shit who thinks the bigger targets are more dangerous, cos' this fat ass owns the skies with just its weight.
mothership attacks look so much better than a boring ass shitty beam, the mothership now takes half hour to kill a marine let alone a fucking missle turret, blizzard why did you destroy the mothership like that :o
Maybe someday they will remove the Mothership or give it actully good abilities, its a shame how they fucked this up, i dont even play protoss, and i think its fucked. Look at those badass abilitiles, then look at the piece of shit mothership in the game today :( makes me sad. and im a zerg player lol
I only agree with the idea of nerfing the black hole, mostly because it's an instant-kill for multiple units. Not only is that overpowered but none of the other races have it. The terran nuke doesn't kill everything and it can be stopped before impact or avoided by running away. The infestor's neural parasite can be considered an instant-kill but it will end when the time runs out or if the infestor is killed. Other than that I think they should have kept the other abilities
@humaders99 Blizzard nerfed the hell out of it! The only reason I see to actually build a mothership nowadays, is to show off when you have the game in the bag.
@MostazalsLord I think you need to learn that the vortex is extremealy potent sir ;) (throw in there a couple archon agaisnt a terran or even use a psionic storm ;)
@maxetscies Good sir, I guess you should check out the latest patch. Just take a look at the part talking about the vortex. EMP, feedback, overwhelming army...hmm... those sound like very nice ways to deal with it.
Well, good to hear that... being an SC fan. Anyways, I haven't checked out the SC website recently, any news on when the zerg campaign is gonna come out??
I'd say blizzard shouldve let the Mothership be like this but make it cost 800 minirals 800 gas and 16 supply, i mean now days its crappy and they are going to make the toilet/Nuke vortex impossible 2
@Proud2BeAPirate I realize that it's 2 abilities are sometimes useful. However, you can only have 1, it can be taken down by(I think) 6 stimmed marines, it makes you go way out of the way on the tech tree, and now vortex is just a way to give the enemy 1.5 seconds of invulnerability. As it is, they might as well have just kept the Arbiter.
@Proud2BeAPirate KiwiKaki uses it just for the recall, most when going blink stalkers. Most of the games however, he can win without it. The only other strat that its used for is the zealot/voids/phenix/mothership in PvP. And still, its just there for the cloak, nothing more.
In this video, the mothership can kill 3 battlecruisers with little help, kill 50 marines, another 4 battlecruisers, and 4 missle turrets with little difficulty. Im glad they balanced it, but i am a protoss player
tbh i think they should add these abilities to the current mothership along witht he damage this mothership does, remove the amss recall and vortex ability, keep the cloaking ability and make it 500/500 gas minerals and give it a slightly longer build time. also maybe warn other palyers when the mothership sis built like when a nuke is used as the terran superweapon you get the nuke detected.
@Kriegerdammerung it's like the the black hole, except it can only be used on the ground, kills/severely damages ground and air units, but needs a couple of archons!
@Kriegerdammerung its the normal black hole, and u put a few archons on it then when everything comes out the archons makes an amazing splash damage and kills almost everything in 2 or 3 secs =S
from op destruction machine to epic support unit. if you complain about the mothership, you don't know how to use it. i'll admit it is definitely not as cool, and that base attack here seems like like it'd be a cool patch, but when used properly, the mothership can kill all. i played a game where a ton of stalkers focus fired my mothership, and by the time it died and they saw all the immortals underneath, it was too late. its an unconventional weapon for unconventional tactics, deal with it
@MrJordanport Currently, mothership is mostly used by extreme noobs and pros (which means they r not that bad), but I don't think it shud be a unit that most tend to "avoid" to get, right? I'am 2k diamond protoss working my way to the masters & i tell you i see no one with mothership even came close to beat me. Most real Pros use it for extreme harass->recall and strategic vortex (rarely archon toliet) in front line, cloakin helps but isnt key. But still, i think a patch on it is reasonable.
@slbaaron So you are saying people only use Mothership good...when they recall and vortex...thats all they do, wtf are you talking about?! Yes thats how to use them, yes they are mainly harass, and yes they are good when used right. If it were only cloaking it would be way to expensive, but If you listened to my story, the recall led him to act rashly and that was his major mistake. I really don't know what you are trying to prove, but you seem to say, its good when used right, my point exactly.
@MrJordanport You fail at reading. My main point was that only very pro and noob ppl get them, most TEND NOT TO GET IT (not because they cannot get it, but rather they avoid) cuz they require generally good controls, which shouldn't be right for mothership; so asking it to be changed is a reasonable request (to counter you point that its fine the way it is). What it should be, is a unit that its very hard to get to, but most people want, like High templar, since its at the top of the tech tree.
@MrJordanport You fail at reading. My main point was that only very pro and noob ppl get them, most TEND NOT TO GET IT (not because they cannot get it, but rather they avoid) cuz they require generally good controls, which shouldn't be right for mothership; so asking it to be changed is a reasonable request (to counter you point that its fine the way it is). What it should be, is a unit that its very hard to get to, but most people want, like High templar, since its at the top of the tech tree.
@MrJordanport My main point was that only very pro and noob ppl get them, most tend to AVOID it (not because they cannot get it) cuz they require very good controls to make it worthwhile in high level game play, which shouldn't be right for mothership; so asking it to be changed is a reasonable request (to counter you point that its fine the way it is). What it should be, is a unit that is very hard to get to, but most people want, like High templar, since its at the top of the tech tree.
@slbaaron But the High Templars don't attack at all, as that is their purpose. Its the ineffective guns on the Mothership that I don't like. I didn't say no change, its just that all of these are way too much. I do want to see a better base attack that does make it a force to be reckoned with (with support like all units), but beyond that, its walking a tightrope. I say its abilities are perfect as they are, its just its weak attack that people hate. So boost or add to the guns on that baby
@MrJordanport yea ur right only 6 dmg. they got to be kidding cant kill a zergling with 3 shots. u see this very big unit and says o noooo... then it makes dmg like 2 or three probes xD well done blizzard...
@zipp01987 To be exactly: 8 shots of 6 damage every 2.21 seconds in the Beta, but Blizzard decides it is too powerful so they had reduced the number of shots to 6.
Nerfed to crap, only way this unit would be acceptable now is if enemy units recieved actual damage like -150 to -200 hp with the blackhole abillity, also they shoud up it's hp a little more, that thing gets destroyed way too quickly, atleast one more abillity, and a female face/voice to boot simular to selendis :) This thing, as it is now, is literally a giant fucking arbiter, whooo... When I first started to see this shit appear ingame I was like, "sweet", then it ded easily, so I lolwut!?
Damn, The mothership of the current version should be the same with this 1 . The current 1 is so weak that 1 carrier can take her down. If the mothership is this strong, It will be more worthy to build and spend resource 4 !
Dude I wish the mother ship was this cool in the "real" game but the mother ship was probly like this in the demo or beta or whatever but! in the final game the mother ship does not have planet cracker or ,the time bomb....so i think its time to take this video down ya dumb fuck your gettin people excited
it got nerfed sooooo hard would e better just to not have her at all the vortex brings all the units back.... AT FULL HP like wtf no dmg at all her attack sucks idk motherships a nerfed noobet
this whole idea was a marketing scam Blizzard waned to make the mothership look cool so you would buy the game. THEN when you buy the game it gets nerfed. Blizzard you can go suck my dick you fucking con artists...
this would have been so fun if the mothership could do this :( I mean nerfing it ok... but taking all these features and specials out. made the mothership completely worthless. lol i wish the mothership was just left IMBA! lol
Let me see it's the most expensive unit in the game, one carrier can beat one mothership in a battle , it only has two abilities Vortex is useless and mass recall has some use but takes to much energy you can only have one and they take forever to build and if the enemy have an infester they can take it no problem good enough?
@Kriegerdammerung mothership was clearly blizzard's money making scheme, they make her look all powerful, cool which attracted lots of attention and fans trusted blizzard can make her work (without being OP), but blizzard decided its too hard to keep her abilities without being OP so they remade her into an arbiter....
This mothership rocks. I think they should totally bring its time bomb ability back, just maybe make it so that it only stops (x) number of missiles instead of all of them. Cause as it is now the mothership BLOWS. Vikings and mutas are way cheaper and take it out before it can even fire.
I say they should make the ridiculous 400 mins 400 gas cost worth it by putting back time bomb, beefing the shields, and putting back the old attack animation so it can attack 2 targets again.
I am pretty sure once the current mothership is removed ...they will adjust THIS one for the metagame of the 2nd expansion's seasons (after heart of the swarm)
i am already praying for it to come back in the legacy of the void.... =)
33shin33 3 months ago
And now it's a really expensive arbiter lol
xsonicbladex 3 months ago
Sad I thought that this would be the ship on the game but... not at all in change protss get a fragile and expensive units ¬.¬! this SC2 looks like It was made for terran race they got a lot add ons and upgrades
classdivine 3 months ago
this is mothership is redicouleslly OP....a sole mothership,that costs 100 gas more then a BC can take out 3 BCs,mass marines,5 missle torrents and another army of flying units with a black hole and still be on an orange lifebar.....this is redicouless...realistic thought-its an super high tech alien mothership after all...but it has no place in game...
DeMishMIsh 4 months ago
@DeMishMIsh Thors are ridiculously OP, yet they are in the game, without a number limit of 'em.
joakin88 3 months ago
@joakin88 thors are expensive as fuck,and can be easily taken down with a mass of cheap units like roaches,marauders,marines,hydras,stalkers etc....and they can also be owned by high temps for half of their hp because have energy...
its all about the right counter....what execly is OP about thors?
DeMishMIsh 3 months ago
@DeMishMIsh My point is not that thors are OP, my point is that mothership sucks, it's weak, expensive, it can be taken down easily with rines, mutas, etc. and worst of all, unlike thors, you can only have one mothership, Blizzard even got mothership out of the heart of the swarm expansion.
joakin88 3 months ago
@joakin88 yeah,sadly they were too lazy to balance it....the mothership had an amazing potential....blizzard simpley didnt have the brains to make it right,well,they did make it right atfirst,but ruined it completely slowly but surely...
DeMishMIsh 3 months ago
@DeMishMIsh that would be a dream come true
Scarbgunner 1 week ago
mass battlecruiser+black hole not vortex=GG and op of mothership i wouldve kept this mothership but removed black hole with vortex and keep other abillities maybe add more shields and hp and armor more energy and there you go worthy mothership
SamKabobs 4 months ago
This would've been a worthy mothership...
MrSepplify 5 months ago
the guy doing voicing this is the head executive of SC2
lolisabadname 5 months ago
I think Blizz was just trollin' when they released this video...
Gaidhlig1090 5 months ago 3
STARGATE ATLANTIS!!!!!
godslilhelper 5 months ago
well, the original blackhole ability was never going to make the cut. aoe instant death to air units--no way.
bethnor 5 months ago
In the trailer they were like having this serious voice guy to explain all that to make ppl get excited and then got rit of those awesome skills even before ppl getting to try it even in the use map settings. It's totally gone. Blizzard asshole get freezed to death !
Cutewhineyboy 5 months ago
Whoa, man. For all the big talk the Mothership's a total piece of shit now. Even the lasers it has are extremely weak.
And why the fuck did they take out the function to color the wireframe in different places to show where damage was caused?
FrozenAnarchy 5 months ago
protoss mothershit
JeckAubrey 6 months ago
Can someone make this in the map editor then publish a map where people have a mothership like this instead of the crappy one we have now? PLEASE?
newbiedoodle 6 months ago
@newbiedoodle I second this. Anyone know a custom map where there's a good Mothership in it? Not retarded overpowered, but something fairly balanced and worth using?
FrozenAnarchy 5 months ago
@FrozenAnarchy I actually remember a map I once played where one person started with one "Destroyer", which is incredibly OP, and the other person had infinite money but only regular units. I won with only the destroyer, despite my friend having four times the regular health on his units.
newbiedoodle 5 months ago
sooo op
minitopher11 6 months ago
If they ever make a starcraft 3 they need to bring this mothership back
boolengleng 6 months ago
i am not satisfied with the mothership we got its just like an arbiter but much slower
I hope they fix the mothership in the expansion 'cuz i was disappointed when i saw that they made her like an arbiter T_T
if they wanted an arbiter in the game why not just bring it back instead?
PKarklouse 6 months ago
i think the reason the mothership was given less abilities because it was wayy to powerful... but then again.. hopefully we might see a change in the next two expansion... hopefullly
Jay72288 6 months ago
@0:20 The protoss mothership should be the best unit in the game if is the ultimate weapon of war. WTF was Blizzard Thinking when they nerff her abilities Made her move so slow that only a reaver can keep up. IF the protoss were so smat at personal cloaking with the Obs I would also give it the abilty to cloak nearby Units too. How dissapointing Blizzard NEEDS TO GET SMART WITH THE PROTOSS.
MDSVes 6 months ago
Imagine how imba black hole would be
samusaran13372 6 months ago in playlist Starcraft II
i have never built the mothership in a ladder game
irkiIIer 7 months ago
I'd trade in cloack for Time Bomb and Planet Cracker any time.
FurobaOA 7 months ago 2
Sad that now it can be destroyed with 5 marines....
DJTerrorest 7 months ago 42
LMFAOOO! Where in the game is this mothership? I think we got stuck with the made in china version.. Vortex? LMFAO, give me that black hole thank you!
GrandChamp1989 7 months ago 6
this mothership is great. and i dont think it is that op either.
that planet cracker? could be countered with air
that time bomb? its a fixed area. just retreat.
that blackhole? its air only (or it's implied that at least)
and the base attack doesnt seem to bad.
plus energy regen is slow and cost would be higher.
now this is the mothership that should have be in the game,
not the lame passive support unit we have now.
TheBLTproduction 7 months ago 22
@TheBLTproduction Blizzard wants to remove the Mothership from Multiplayer on Heart of Swarm because it's "Overpowered". It was a pointless addition to the arsenal of protoss. The cost was just terrible, and for what? Cloaking units, just putting them in statis fields? Mass recall? I mean really, they could just make Arbiters again! What part of lore stopped Blizzard from keep Arbiters? I mean okay i can understand if it's too powerful, but as a support unit it should be powerful somewhat!
BaxterXenon 2 months ago
@TheBLTproduction (I play protoss just in case)
I think:
-Black hole: Only air units
-Planet Cracker: Mothership can't move or moves very slow while performing
-Time Bomb: It's Ok
-Mothership cost: 600/600
-Mothership H.P.: 450/450 maybe?
GRRStarcraft 1 month ago
they shouldn't nerf the mothership like this. It would make us Starcraft 2 players easier if they just took it out, becuase in the latest apatch they took out the LAST USE of the mothership-> Archon Toilet. Now everything is invulnerable for 1.5 seconds. It is a SLOW, WEAK, USELESS, EXPENSIVE unit, that TAKES A LONG TIME TO MAKE. Plz give the old mommaship back or take her out Blizzard!
Kal069 7 months ago
@Kal069 I think Blizzard REALLY needs to buff the mothership.
MostazalsLord 7 months ago
Terrans: use a couple of EMP's.
Protoss: feedback.
Zerg: should have an overwhelming army by then.
Right now, the mothership (even backed up) is EXTREMELY easy to take out, not to mention the fact that it seems to get nerfed over and over again.
MostazalsLord 7 months ago
Fuck at least let the mothership keep the black hole. Holy shit, it sucks so fucking much in the real sc
getbuttkik 8 months ago
I could take that out easy... just get a ghost and do EMP.. then you shoot one shot with the yamato canon
nabbster94 8 months ago
I remember, even before all the nerfs, when the mothership was the offensive tank in my army. Now, when I see all those amazing abilities replaced with support type moves and very weaken stats, I start blaming those noobs who cried to Blizzard about it.
RemyMarttini 8 months ago
You do get that even if thats how a mothership would really be, it's unbalanced, and not just to other races. I mean, So much firepower and damage can be caused, and then suddenly you got no energy, and the mothership now sucks.
T0mTTT 8 months ago
that looks op as fuck but given limited energy once it uses it's energy it's pretty much fried.
dfbates42 8 months ago
i would like to see these attack in mothership now.... theyre so much cooler...and the dps should be increased!
1337SkinneR 8 months ago
The mothership is now nothing more than an arbiter which can attack, and 1 extra and COMPLETELY useless ability, Vortex. Which is USELESS because the enemy will purposefully send all their forces into the Vortex, and when the Vortex's time is up, it will be exactly as it would if you hadn't cast the Vortex.
BabysFace 8 months ago
@BabysFace Vortex is almost exactly like Stasis Field for Arbiters. And yeah, I know what you mean though. Noobs who lost a game to this cried to Blizzard, "Blizzard, I lost a game against this so it's too powerful, nerf it please!" Seriously, this is supposed to one of the most powerful units in the game, and you can only have one, yet I lost one of mine to 4 vikings. FOUR. After my mothership was dead, there were 3 vikings and only one was critically damaged.
TankCommander451 8 months ago
@TankCommander451 Seems like your not using abilities very well...
deadmeat90 8 months ago
@deadmeat90 I used vortex. Yippee. They all popped out and attacked from behind. I tried to bring in 2 phoenixes in to reinforce. Whoops. Mothership went down already, and the phoenixes took down two more vikings before a cruiser came in. Yeah. I REALLY didn't use abilities right.
Face it, it's offensive capabilities (the little pea-shooter lasers) suck, 6 for 6 dmg on ONE target?! It's defensive capabilities don't exist. Vortex doesn't kill, recall will take all your army away from your base.
TankCommander451 8 months ago
@TankCommander451 Still...not using the abilities that great. I personally would try to suck in a few of them and kill the others and reinforce. Not my fault you don't know how to back up your units.
deadmeat90 8 months ago
wow that kind of mothership would´t be wrong
8yepp8 9 months ago
This mothership better be in Legacy of the void expansion.
Neto404 9 months ago
Wish Blizzard didn't take those Time Bomb and Black Hole ability out of Editor...You know how hard to attempt to make a freaking Black Hole ability?
SkullCapper 9 months ago
i just realize the wizard in Diablo 3 gonna have this skill !!! So they must've had early contact with Protoss -_-|||
MrStarfallx 9 months ago
I like the fact they have mass recall. But enemy can see that huge slow ass thing coming miles away.
jad1025 9 months ago
"It is the ultimate weapon of war in the Protoss arsenal." lol bet they can't say that now. the black hole was a little op but everything else was fine. wtf.
newskool002 9 months ago
WOOO keep on NERFING!!!!
Bomenix14 9 months ago
now the protoss has no power ... and keep nerfing them, good job blizzard
gesc1989 9 months ago
See, maybe Blizzard thought that the original mothership was OP, but the new one just sucks hydralisk tits. And frankly, I would rather have an OP unit that makes the enemy THINK about how they're going to overcome it, such as spreading out your air units to avoid black holes, hence the name REAL TIME STRATEGY. Now, it's just sit-on-your-ass strategy. No micro involved. All you have to do is either send in 3 voids, 3 corruptors or 3 vikings and it DIES. How do ya like THAT?
ryanrules281 9 months ago
f***, even the fire rate is down...
crayzbotzz700 9 months ago
lol the mothership is not same of that now
loupardent8199 9 months ago
The old mothership looks so badass, and all the abilities it has like the time bomb look really complex and hard to develop. I am surprised they removed them!
I wonder what happened. Maybe the protoss got retarded at some point of history.
OmegaVemon 10 months ago
The Mothershit. Reduced from the ultimate weapon against any and all foes...into a flying target for all Terrans and Zerg around.
Hey, at least it'll keep the heat off your Void Rays before they get fucked as well.
Might wanna cross your fingers and pray your opponent is a dumb shit who thinks the bigger targets are more dangerous, cos' this fat ass owns the skies with just its weight.
One Battlecruiser vs. a Mothershit?
Ownage.
TANSKBD 10 months ago
Now thats the mothership we want! Now we only have a fucking huge arbiter -.-
justfeelthismove 10 months ago 92
@justfeelthismove No the arbiter is much better.
razorbackblood06 8 months ago
@justfeelthismove well cept arbiters were usefull
Thrawen 5 months ago
let me guess... they let the wow dev team design that?
stfunoobkty 10 months ago
Nowadays, mothership is just a trash that can be owned by 6 marines lol
foxglauber 10 months ago
mothership attacks look so much better than a boring ass shitty beam, the mothership now takes half hour to kill a marine let alone a fucking missle turret, blizzard why did you destroy the mothership like that :o
thejdemon 10 months ago
If only a mothership could take on a whole fleet of terran. That would be the day.
espio142 10 months ago
That thing is nearly as OP as void ray/colossi
Beamer22 10 months ago
@Beamer22 void rays op? they can be countered by rines....... hardly op.
Limelight060 10 months ago
@Beamer22 LOL void ray is op, never make em they are crap agaisnt almost anything except t3 air
anrere 9 months ago
his voice is comparable to morgan freeman
Thalathir 10 months ago
fucking bait and switch......illegal motherfuckers....
ZiggyC743 10 months ago
Man Fuck You Blizzard what the hell did you do to the planet Cracker!?!?!?
gattler 10 months ago
i love the sound of the mothership 0:06 - 0:15
Snipershot435 11 months ago
AWESOME
SuperPierG 11 months ago
lol if they had not changed this, it would be so FUCKING EPIC OP!
glad they changed it to do some more balance to the game lol
z1bbo 11 months ago
@z1bbo they could've just nerfed it, not just remove the whole thing
APhamx7 11 months ago
Maybe someday they will remove the Mothership or give it actully good abilities, its a shame how they fucked this up, i dont even play protoss, and i think its fucked. Look at those badass abilitiles, then look at the piece of shit mothership in the game today :( makes me sad. and im a zerg player lol
RMJ1984 11 months ago
This video is what made me buy this game. BIGGEST DISSAPOINTMENT BLIZZ!!!!
angrymuffin01 11 months ago
The Mothership finally became cool and slightly viable then Blizzard nerfed it again.
mrrobotica 11 months ago
I think mass recall is still really under appreciated from the mother ship.
Terminatification 11 months ago
Vortex used to insta-gib enemies. Now it makes enemies invincible... ...
T_T
cuniculusleocaesar 11 months ago
i had the privilege to play with the mother ship in beta, was op as fuck
rmartinez8176 11 months ago
I only agree with the idea of nerfing the black hole, mostly because it's an instant-kill for multiple units. Not only is that overpowered but none of the other races have it. The terran nuke doesn't kill everything and it can be stopped before impact or avoided by running away. The infestor's neural parasite can be considered an instant-kill but it will end when the time runs out or if the infestor is killed. Other than that I think they should have kept the other abilities
alpha95X 11 months ago
they shud of kept these powers for the mother ship
HanDynasty26349 11 months ago
Bullshit!!!! there were NO such abilities in the real SC2 game that came out after this demo!!!!
The shitty mothership can only strike week cannon attacks, cloak nearby allies and do mass recall.... WHAT A DISAPPOINTMENT!!!!! :-(
ommarwin 1 year ago 22
@ommarwin gonna be in the protoss expansion in 2012 legacy of the void
loumiven 11 months ago
@ommarwin the mothership was nerfed
humaders99 7 months ago
@humaders99 Blizzard nerfed the hell out of it! The only reason I see to actually build a mothership nowadays, is to show off when you have the game in the bag.
MostazalsLord 7 months ago
@MostazalsLord I think you need to learn that the vortex is extremealy potent sir ;) (throw in there a couple archon agaisnt a terran or even use a psionic storm ;)
maxetscies 7 months ago
@maxetscies Good sir, I guess you should check out the latest patch. Just take a look at the part talking about the vortex. EMP, feedback, overwhelming army...hmm... those sound like very nice ways to deal with it.
MostazalsLord 7 months ago
@MostazalsLord they took out the toilet -.-. Everything is invincible for 1.5 seconds, and can't be targeted.
Kal069 7 months ago 2
@Kal069 Aha....
MostazalsLord 7 months ago
@humaders99 Hmmm... though, I do believe the black hole is very powerful.
MostazalsLord 7 months ago
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TheGAUTHIER12 7 months ago
@ommarwin you forget vortex dip shit
TheGAUTHIER12 7 months ago
@ommarwin when the protoss verson comes out you get to use these abitlities they might put one of the abitlities in the toss verson
Germany981 6 months ago
@Germany981
Well, good to hear that... being an SC fan. Anyways, I haven't checked out the SC website recently, any news on when the zerg campaign is gonna come out??
ommarwin 6 months ago
@ommarwin like sep 2012 they only gave out the year its coming they said maybe sep they dont know
Germany981 6 months ago
I'd say blizzard shouldve let the Mothership be like this but make it cost 800 minirals 800 gas and 16 supply, i mean now days its crappy and they are going to make the toilet/Nuke vortex impossible 2
JanWey91 1 year ago
if that vortex would be work like this in the game it would be scary ... and fun
DANGILBERT03 1 year ago
Let's just at least hope the lost abilities come back for the Protoss campaign version~
RidinqHood 1 year ago
So what you're trying to tell me is that the mothership used to actually be useful?
dav15351 1 year ago
@dav15351 Vortex and mass recall makes the difference between winning and losing. It is very useful.
Proud2BeAPirate 11 months ago
@Proud2BeAPirate I realize that it's 2 abilities are sometimes useful. However, you can only have 1, it can be taken down by(I think) 6 stimmed marines, it makes you go way out of the way on the tech tree, and now vortex is just a way to give the enemy 1.5 seconds of invulnerability. As it is, they might as well have just kept the Arbiter.
dav15351 11 months ago
@Proud2BeAPirate yea, When ur in Bronze, since thats the only time you have an extra 400 gas laying around.
player276 11 months ago
@player276 Lol. People like KiwiKaki win games with the mothership. Pretty sure he's not in Bronze.
Proud2BeAPirate 11 months ago
@Proud2BeAPirate KiwiKaki uses it just for the recall, most when going blink stalkers. Most of the games however, he can win without it. The only other strat that its used for is the zealot/voids/phenix/mothership in PvP. And still, its just there for the cloak, nothing more.
player276 11 months ago
In this video, the mothership can kill 3 battlecruisers with little help, kill 50 marines, another 4 battlecruisers, and 4 missle turrets with little difficulty. Im glad they balanced it, but i am a protoss player
coastalation 1 year ago
@coastalation they say they cheated a bit for this video, and the terran had no micro whatso ever
BarretRoys 11 months ago
thats not even close to be op X)
xXxThOmMyEbXxX 1 year ago
tbh i think they should add these abilities to the current mothership along witht he damage this mothership does, remove the amss recall and vortex ability, keep the cloaking ability and make it 500/500 gas minerals and give it a slightly longer build time. also maybe warn other palyers when the mothership sis built like when a nuke is used as the terran superweapon you get the nuke detected.
IroIrish 1 year ago 2
@IroIrish that's a perfect solution in my opinion
victory977 1 year ago
i like the new one better. Sure the old one is cooler, but the new one can do Archon toilets!
brizihe 1 year ago
@brizihe but this one's black whole and planet cracker is an archon toilet itself lol
ohAlanho 1 year ago
@brizihe What means "Archon toilets"?
Kriegerdammerung 1 year ago
@Kriegerdammerung it's like the the black hole, except it can only be used on the ground, kills/severely damages ground and air units, but needs a couple of archons!
brizihe 1 year ago
@Kriegerdammerung its the normal black hole, and u put a few archons on it then when everything comes out the archons makes an amazing splash damage and kills almost everything in 2 or 3 secs =S
xXxThOmMyEbXxX 1 year ago
i wish this was in the real game
n00bszpro 1 year ago
For a highly advanced race that is known for ultimate weapons of war, this mothership would make a lot more sense then the bullcrap we have now.
Maochael 1 year ago
what, ever, happened! TT^TT
gattler 1 year ago
from op destruction machine to epic support unit. if you complain about the mothership, you don't know how to use it. i'll admit it is definitely not as cool, and that base attack here seems like like it'd be a cool patch, but when used properly, the mothership can kill all. i played a game where a ton of stalkers focus fired my mothership, and by the time it died and they saw all the immortals underneath, it was too late. its an unconventional weapon for unconventional tactics, deal with it
MrJordanport 1 year ago
@MrJordanport Currently, mothership is mostly used by extreme noobs and pros (which means they r not that bad), but I don't think it shud be a unit that most tend to "avoid" to get, right? I'am 2k diamond protoss working my way to the masters & i tell you i see no one with mothership even came close to beat me. Most real Pros use it for extreme harass->recall and strategic vortex (rarely archon toliet) in front line, cloakin helps but isnt key. But still, i think a patch on it is reasonable.
slbaaron 1 year ago
@slbaaron So you are saying people only use Mothership good...when they recall and vortex...thats all they do, wtf are you talking about?! Yes thats how to use them, yes they are mainly harass, and yes they are good when used right. If it were only cloaking it would be way to expensive, but If you listened to my story, the recall led him to act rashly and that was his major mistake. I really don't know what you are trying to prove, but you seem to say, its good when used right, my point exactly.
MrJordanport 1 year ago
@MrJordanport You fail at reading. My main point was that only very pro and noob ppl get them, most TEND NOT TO GET IT (not because they cannot get it, but rather they avoid) cuz they require generally good controls, which shouldn't be right for mothership; so asking it to be changed is a reasonable request (to counter you point that its fine the way it is). What it should be, is a unit that its very hard to get to, but most people want, like High templar, since its at the top of the tech tree.
slbaaron 1 year ago
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@MrJordanport You fail at reading. My main point was that only very pro and noob ppl get them, most TEND NOT TO GET IT (not because they cannot get it, but rather they avoid) cuz they require generally good controls, which shouldn't be right for mothership; so asking it to be changed is a reasonable request (to counter you point that its fine the way it is). What it should be, is a unit that its very hard to get to, but most people want, like High templar, since its at the top of the tech tree.
slbaaron 1 year ago
@MrJordanport My main point was that only very pro and noob ppl get them, most tend to AVOID it (not because they cannot get it) cuz they require very good controls to make it worthwhile in high level game play, which shouldn't be right for mothership; so asking it to be changed is a reasonable request (to counter you point that its fine the way it is). What it should be, is a unit that is very hard to get to, but most people want, like High templar, since its at the top of the tech tree.
slbaaron 1 year ago
@slbaaron But the High Templars don't attack at all, as that is their purpose. Its the ineffective guns on the Mothership that I don't like. I didn't say no change, its just that all of these are way too much. I do want to see a better base attack that does make it a force to be reckoned with (with support like all units), but beyond that, its walking a tightrope. I say its abilities are perfect as they are, its just its weak attack that people hate. So boost or add to the guns on that baby
MrJordanport 1 year ago
@MrJordanport yea ur right only 6 dmg. they got to be kidding cant kill a zergling with 3 shots. u see this very big unit and says o noooo... then it makes dmg like 2 or three probes xD well done blizzard...
zipp01987 1 year ago
@zipp01987 To be exactly: 8 shots of 6 damage every 2.21 seconds in the Beta, but Blizzard decides it is too powerful so they had reduced the number of shots to 6.
Kriegerdammerung 1 year ago
@Kriegerdammerung thx for the correction i was not sure. but i think the same now
zipp01987 1 year ago
couldnt they have at least put it in the campaign!?
xenohuh7 1 year ago
Nerfed to crap, only way this unit would be acceptable now is if enemy units recieved actual damage like -150 to -200 hp with the blackhole abillity, also they shoud up it's hp a little more, that thing gets destroyed way too quickly, atleast one more abillity, and a female face/voice to boot simular to selendis :) This thing, as it is now, is literally a giant fucking arbiter, whooo... When I first started to see this shit appear ingame I was like, "sweet", then it ded easily, so I lolwut!?
Yggdrasill4 1 year ago
this foo was meant to be like 2000gas 2000 min i heard... if tht was true... im glad they nerfed it HAHA
andrew2great 1 year ago
Hey hey hey what the hell blizzard, the mother ship now is redused under used despret attempt to win a game, what happened to this
hopyfullyapro 1 year ago
totally OP'ed
virtuous8 1 year ago
Zealot:WHERE IS OUR FIRE SUPPORT
Mothership: soz Blizzard nerfed me to some useless piece of crap which is good for nothing and expensive as hell =\
wizedz 1 year ago 4
y the hell did they take out the time bomb COME ON BLIZZARD toss is supposed to be advanced there fore they should be op'd
TRekkie122 1 year ago 30
@TRekkie122 No, cause then people will bitch.
deadmeat90 8 months ago
@deadmeat90 then let the bitches bitch
TRekkie122 8 months ago
Mother is indeeed kinda boring now.
IamAlwaysRight 1 year ago
hmm... the only uses for the mothership is a 5 second meat shield (cloaking field) and mass recall (which noone ever uses). mothershit FTW
dman45945 1 year ago
Damn, The mothership of the current version should be the same with this 1 . The current 1 is so weak that 1 carrier can take her down. If the mothership is this strong, It will be more worthy to build and spend resource 4 !
DarkMoon309 1 year ago
Dude I wish the mother ship was this cool in the "real" game but the mother ship was probly like this in the demo or beta or whatever but! in the final game the mother ship does not have planet cracker or ,the time bomb....so i think its time to take this video down ya dumb fuck your gettin people excited
Masterchiefsam 1 year ago
it got nerfed sooooo hard would e better just to not have her at all the vortex brings all the units back.... AT FULL HP like wtf no dmg at all her attack sucks idk motherships a nerfed noobet
pieeatersguilds 1 year ago
the mother (fuc...) ship just kick ass
drisdrisdrisdris 1 year ago
Time Bomb = Make an expensive Upgrade
Plant Cracker = Shorten the Time Period
Black Hole = Stick with the Vortex
this whole idea was a marketing scam Blizzard waned to make the mothership look cool so you would buy the game. THEN when you buy the game it gets nerfed. Blizzard you can go suck my dick you fucking con artists...
danm966 1 year ago 2
this would have been so fun if the mothership could do this :( I mean nerfing it ok... but taking all these features and specials out. made the mothership completely worthless. lol i wish the mothership was just left IMBA! lol
ROllieHorne 1 year ago
And now the Mothershit is boring thankyou blizzard-_-
mrSnoopcheri 1 year ago 92
@mrSnoopcheri uncut version will be in addon...so don't worry.
Lurkers and summon photton cannons aren't there also...for now
obeybosss 1 year ago
@mrSnoopcheri try telling kiwikaki that.
BPAification 1 year ago
@BPAification
Lol he's a pro he can make any unit seem good:P
koko79666 11 months ago
@mrSnoopcheri Are you noob? How can you say that?
Kriegerdammerung 1 year ago
@Kriegerdammerung
Let me see it's the most expensive unit in the game, one carrier can beat one mothership in a battle , it only has two abilities Vortex is useless and mass recall has some use but takes to much energy you can only have one and they take forever to build and if the enemy have an infester they can take it no problem good enough?
mrSnoopcheri 1 year ago
@mrSnoopcheri
-She can cloack a lot of units, buildings and allies
-Only a noob attacks using the Mothership alone
-Vortex is useful, you can delay enemy units during the great battle, crippling the enemy army and allowing the very great destruction of it.
-She can be builded reducing the maximum time through Chrono Boost (The Nexus' spell)
Kriegerdammerung 1 year ago
@Kriegerdammerung mothership was clearly blizzard's money making scheme, they make her look all powerful, cool which attracted lots of attention and fans trusted blizzard can make her work (without being OP), but blizzard decided its too hard to keep her abilities without being OP so they remade her into an arbiter....
ohAlanho 1 year ago
@Kriegerdammerung
Dumb ass.
koko79666 11 months ago
@koko79666 Dumb arse, chap.
Kriegerdammerung 11 months ago
@Kriegerdammerung
Ass as in the farm animal, chap.
koko79666 10 months ago
@mrSnoopcheri
Get in there my son!!!
koko79666 11 months ago
WTF!! Can u dó All this with a protoss mothersip online!?!?!?!
koto772 1 year ago
Remove mothership and bring back the Arbiter imho, it was so much more versatile.
Taiki1234 1 year ago
Dude, planet cracker=owned. 200 suppy gone in like, 20 seconds.
HanluSun 1 year ago
@HanluSun you have no eyes, that clearly wasnt 200 supply
irkiIIer 7 months ago
@irkiIIer in total? about 200 supply. 40 marines, 6 bcs 4 seige tanks and some loaded dropships?
HanluSun 5 months ago
0:28 they did keep something from the old beta mothership, the piece of shit still cost significant number of resources
gamebozco 1 year ago
@gamebozco LOL
fluffynoses 1 year ago
This mothership rocks. I think they should totally bring its time bomb ability back, just maybe make it so that it only stops (x) number of missiles instead of all of them. Cause as it is now the mothership BLOWS. Vikings and mutas are way cheaper and take it out before it can even fire.
I say they should make the ridiculous 400 mins 400 gas cost worth it by putting back time bomb, beefing the shields, and putting back the old attack animation so it can attack 2 targets again.
inarush123456789 1 year ago
WOW really ... i only recently got SC2 i never even got to use that mothership :(
how much shield hp did it have? it looked like it went under a lot of fire and didnt die...
the mothership now has like 350 350 and gets toasted in 20 secs...
dennychen555 1 year ago