Davey Graham - Folk Britannia

[Kolkoscon]

i have a dream

[neilus]

yup...particularly when you hear how Davey struggled terribly with alcohol and drug addiction through much of his life, im sure the royalties from a few songwriting credits (Stairway to Heaven ffs!!) would have helped Davey no end and at least would have shown him the courtesy, respect and recognition DG so clearly deserves..."BOOO!!! to you Mr. Page!!"

[Dadoprice]

search nicolas and the iceni vassal song. they write great folk music which has echoes of davy, drake and denny.

[operace]

Now, everyone, check out 'Whatever happened to Dav(e)y Graham', BBC broadcast, and get some answers.

Don't be too hard on Jimmy Page, folks: everyone aspired to the 'Soho Style', but very few of us (not me!) ever got there with Graham, Jansch, Renbourn et al. If you want to talk credits, sic that bastard Simon over Martin Carthy's 'Scarborough Fair' - 35 years to give him credit and a lifetime to give him any money - Prat! And think about about it - how many bridges 'lay themselves down'.

[mhfpchp]

Does anybody know tha name of the last song ?

[RegainedParadise]

There are those who play the guitar, and then there's this man, who PLAYED the guitar.

[1KOOLROCKNDAN]

when you hear this everyone came from this from jimmie page to jeff beck and rod stewart listen to the music closely u cant hear there music incline to davy's come on

[ColonelHoraldo]

Can someone clarify this for me, Davey or Davy?

[RegainedParadise]

@ColonelHoraldo

I can help. In the 60s, he spelled his name Davy. In the 70s, he changed it to Davey.

[elasticmoon]

does anybody know where the footage of shirley collins is from? and if it's available somewhere?

[chinahands100]

just enjoy the dam music..

[Serethen]

The start there reminds me of Classical gas. Anyone knows the name of the song?

[TubaGirl01]

@Serethen No idea, but I know Nick Drake covered it in one of his bootleg albums if that helps any. If you find out, let me know! (Its driving me crazy....)

[TubaGirl01]

@Serethen Whoops, actually its Angie by Bert Jansch.

[Serethen]

@TubaGirl01

Thanks!

[ec476405]

@TubaGirl01 Angie, or Anji, was written by Graham. Jansch covered it

[inaband]

Most 'folkies' are music nazi's because they believe their music is pure, un-bowdlerised and 'original'- they then get all possessive over something they feel they own or is part of their cultural heritage. But the long and short of it is, that 'traditional' and 'folk' music is a farse. The meanings attached to the music are romanticised, over-valued, and dreamed up to appropriate some kind of imagined village that exists within our heads. Your petty arguments mean nothing in the outside world.

[Bedlevelle]

Funny how the intellectual crowd takes on music, and discussions of it. Rather than concur and enjoy great sounds made in our history, it would seem more exhilarating to argue, debate and cut down each other.

What beast we are.

[ianmcgeachy]

Great stuff...on arguably the originator of all modern acoustic guitar style.

[ari1234a]

@ianmcgeachy Dont forget John Fahey.

[ianmcgeachy]

@ari1234a Okay. You have a good point. I tip my hat to Davy myself, but oin truth..maybe Davy in Europe and UK, and John Fahey in the US & Canada, (especially I mean),..they both were originators and ingenious in approach.

[cjwaywell]

This is a great video thanks for posting it and I like your mushrooms I remember them well.

[DanTheManFantastic90]

could someone upload all of this documentary? any chance? this is brilliant though, but my oh my how i'd enjoy more

[hanghang71]

the song shirley collins is singing sounds like bob dylan's dream

[catweasel28]

Actually, it's 'Nottamun Town', which was used as the melody for 'Masters Of War'.

'Bob Dylan's Dream' uses the melody of another traditional English song 'Lord Franklin'.

[hanghang71]

@catweasel28 and what led zep song sounds like the davey graham bit

[hanghang71]

@catweasel28 i meant the first song you hear her singing

[crinanthebrave]

Thanks for uploading. Hero.

[NikDonaghy23]

how the hell does he get that sound out of the guitar??

[jsilence418]

Shut the fuck up idiot, apples and oranges. Bert Jansch is a gifted , influential must hear.

[jsilence418]

Much better than the white summer it inspired, great post !

[ltw4890]

DADGAD

[DanielMGardner]

what tuning did he use?

[neilus]

Massive thumbs down to Jimmy Page here, as far as i can i remember DG always had "traditional,arr. Davey Graham" on his credits whereas JP always seemed to claim he wrote them, pretty out of order if you ask me...DGs influence on JP was massive and i find it pretty disgusting that he never gave him the recognition he deserved

[afterthought9]

@neilus

As much as I love Jimmy Page and Led Zepp...

I recently read the wikipedia article on blackwaterside... there is a heading 'alleged influence from davey graham' !!! no alleged about it. Anyone with ears can hear its a straight copy, which is fine, but what isn't fine is as you say, he didn't credit him.

One listen to white summer/blackmountainside or whatever, and you can hear Jansch's versions of "The waggoner's lad" , "Blackwaterside" and daveys "she moved through the bazaar"

[drmirandaxiv]

@neilus yeah man what an eye opener, i just now discovered davey graham and i am just blown away by the influence this guy had on everything i listen to (led zep, nick drake, bert jansch, etc. etc.)

[subterranean47]

ahhh where is part 2

[MrPinkZeppelin]

Jimmy Page pretty much copied it.... but his version is still great

[BJ219]

what year was this?

[gculloty87]

2006 I think.

[ippusor]

who is the guy at 1:20?

[kingcutt]

Dick Gaughan I think

[plevyman]

Wow, that version of She moved through the fair... unbelievable.

Interesting comment from Martin Carthy.

[logue444]

I would love it if you downloaded this whole documentary on to You Tube, since we didn't get it in the US and it's not available on dvd. This is just excellent!

RIP Davey.

[dogsbreath101]

Oh I say. New balls please. You are perfectly correct Jansch is not in the same 

league as Davey..magnificent

[curranni]

this is so fucking amazing!!!

[poohcytoo]

haha im the hugest zeppellin fan, and i love jimmy, but its so similar. boy oh boy

[elasticmoon]

Does anyone know where the old footage of Shirley Collins is from?? Or better yet, does anyone have it?? I would LOVE to see that whole performance!

[KarloR27]

I've just read guitar magazine now that davy has died god fuck me, Didn't hear anything about that huh sometimes news never tell yeah anything. RIP for the master of the dadgad tuning.

[JekyllBoote]

He was a very diminished figure in the last years of his life, and it was cruel to make him tour in 2007 (a year before he died).

The footage here shows just how good he had been.

[bassman3212]

lmaoJIMMY PAGESTOLE WHITESUMMER FROM HIM

[MrTaylorN]

Well Jimmy changes like 2 notes... but pretty much!

[jase2201]

RIP Davey ul be missed mate

[inlandlake]

Brilliant man and although he has left this earthly plane, his music will live on. RIP Dear Davy

[KevyNova]

Very sad news today. Rest in Peace, Davey.

[TracyFClark]

R.I.P

[KarloR27]

The man who started DADGAD. A kick ass open tuning it is thanks Davy it's been a huge success to me and many musicians.

[88franz88]

molto bravo

[drunkenstooge]

Yet another guy Jimmy Page ripped off.

[bluesrunthegame]

That is some heavy wow and flutter.

[PhillipFlan2008]

wow....he's british? I had no idea?

[DANNYK678]

scottish father, guyanese mother

[gtrgyro420]

Guitars Are Percussion Instruments

[ym2413a]

Well not exactly.

They're string instruments, But plucked strings do have a very percussive sound. :)

[markkenworthy]

this guy is absolutely amazing player, how come i havent heared of his stuff before, musicians like this are scarce on the ground

[Gothick49]

Davey Graham ... what a genius.

I was able to enjoy Shirley Collins' singing once I got used to the fact that she never quite sounds on key (to my ear). Oddly, Julie Driscoll seems to "wander" in a similar way although so far as I know the two women came from very different backgrounds (I don't know that Driscoll had ANY training... ?)

It's too bad that Folk Roots, New Routes still remains an "obscure" album.

[MoreThanMutual]

Wow! What a legend! He is an incredible blues, folk and jazz player! He is so influencial in so many areas of music. One of englands finest guitarists of all time. Fantastic!

[Gettheledoutstyle]

so the one guy saying jimmy page stole stairway from davey graham.. shouldnt it be more true to say spirit stole taurus which is the song people say jimmy got the intro from.. its A COMMON PROGRESSION!!! PAGE DIDNT STEAL STAIRWAY.. HE influenced this into white summer definately.. black mountain side was taken from jansch but it sounds to me like jansch got alot of hints on how to write blackwater side from this song.. they say jansch owes a debt to graham as does page on certain stuff

[zeppage4]

Lol sounds like Black Mountain Side, I guess this is where the song came from. Great song...

[bangerLV]

Sounds like Led Zeppelin Black Mountain Side...Very similar!

[soupy2]

twas stolen from ol davey!

[papalgoose]

And taught to Page by middleman Al Stewart! Double screw over! ahha

[Powderfinger07]

Next I'll learn 'The Rain Song' was ripped off also. Jeesh!

[DRGasMoney]

most zeppelin songs arent even 80% original. ive 2 cds full of the original material

[danrob8]

This guy's just as good or better than Clapton, Blackmore and Page. He should have had Grand success on both sides of the Atlantic. Compliments to Paul Simon, who got him some exposure here.

[mtopper66]

OH MY GOD, this isn't happening...never even knew...wow, Page didn't credit Graham at all for White Summer?!? Although, I guess it's really a rendition of "She Moves Through The Fair"...jeez...I knew they stole from the blues guys but now it's the folk guys as well...still, Zeppelin rocked. But now I know Graham is the man as well. Gotta acknowledge the original.

[schaf913]

I saw Davey Graham playing in Exeter recently, and he was so bad I left at the interval. A great shame. He was a true genious. When he played at the Marchioness of Bute folk club in Cardiff (around 1974) he was truely amazing.

[CAROCTAR]

jansch in this video-"hes a very hard man to follow, not musically of course" !!!!!!!! phwsss he can hardly follow himself, i hate him so much, pentangle would have been so much better without him x

[cdo808]

get over it mate...

[gaydarth]

i have to admit janschs voice spoils alot of pentangle tunes for me. love his guitar tho:p

[CAROCTAR]

i think its great people can see davey was the original. bert jansch ripped off davey(i hate that smug prick, he loves himself, but hes crap) then page copied jansch, bah davey needs more respect,sadly he has gone wrong now though, doesnt change his past though

[themightychicken]

This documentary showed Davey's true talent. I went to see him play recently and unfortunately he was so drunk he couldn't keep it together at all, according to others there it wasn't an unusual occurance. It was very sad to see..

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[tedmaul58]

just found out Davy is touring Britain this October. should be fantastic.

[airstreamed]

thank you for this do you have any more....maybe some great folk with flute ...any suggestions?...davy graham is a brilliant musician

[stuartpotty]

wow he's aged

[bonzo6880]

yep Pagey stole this from Graham, black mountainside from Jansch, and stairway from Cry Me a River by Graham as well.

[N3XU551X]

Very nice! Thank you! :-)

[TimTimmenycharoo]

ah this was a great documentary, nice one

[LiquidCrystalz]

You rock for posting this.

[BarefootBaby]

Thank you! Wonderful, wonderful. I remember this when it was BBC 4 a year ago.

[inaband]

do you have any more videos from the folk britannia series? - would love to get hold of the whole series on dvd, but i got in contact with the beeb and such thing isnt avaliable!

[yahtvvideo]

Thanks for posting this. Wow! I used to go to the Surbiton Folk club and I had two folk clubs in Windsor and Maidenhead and booked Davy Graham and John Renbourne,Jo Ane Kelly,Paul Simon. Davy Graham played in a Coffee bar I built in a Stable in Maidenhead. I believe Actor John Stead accompanied him.I would love to get a copy of the Folk Britannia TV Series, I'm in Toronto. John Renbourne and Bert Jansch played in Toronto. Hope they return.

[thebeatlesforever]

you can really hear the bits jimmy page stole... how'd he get away with that one?

[defaultuser11432]

so what are the tunings?

[marcushamblett]

Davy's most common, but by no means only, tuning is DADGAD - which many credit him with 'inventing' or at least bringing to this country. I'm pretty sure that's what he's using on She Moved Through The Fair (or She Moved Through The Bazaar as his version is sometimes known due to its eastern flavour). Angi / Anji is in standard. Hope this helps.

[HenfieldWill]

It's good to see some footage of Davy playing "She moved thro' the fair". The original recorded version came out on a 45rpm Extended Play (7") vinyl, with songs by the Thamesiders - recorded, I think, at Cecil Sharp House. I saw Davey several times in the 60s - mainly at the Cousins allnighters in Greek Street, and gigged with him on one occasion. He was very kind and very patient - but was, and is, a very complex man. Huge thanks for posting this.

[Johnny6666]

Heh - anyone hear Page's 'White Summer' riffs in here? Boy, did he he rip off the greats. :)

[bbst4]

The piece is a traditional song itself - it's silly to be playing these blaming games. Jimmy created the rain song entirely by himself -- he's done great things. Granted - he picked up this piece -- he played around with it quite a bit in his years. We all have influences and roots ;)

[jrowe2k]

It's folk music, which means it's all picked up off each other. The problem comes when Page claims to have written a traditional song and so receives royalties for it.

Take Bert Jansch's Blackwaterside. It has a traditional melody and lyrics but Jansch added an amazing guitar part. Page copied the guitar part almost note for note and renamed it as the instrumental "Black mountainside". The fact that Page receives royalties for someone else's work, I think is wrong.

[MuNkYBizNess]

Blacwaterside was not actually Bert Jansch's song per se, it was actually a melody he wrote based on a traditional song which Anne Briggs taught to him having learn't it from a Folk Historian.

[jrowe2k]

I didn't say it was Jansch's song, I said the guitar part was solely his, which it is. If you listen to the Anne Briggs version, she just picks a straight Dsus4 throughout the song.

[christfersmart1]

To say that Jimmy Page didn't steal Bert Jansch's song is ridiculous. Davy Graham himself has described Jansch's "Blackwaterside" as a masterpiece. To use the excuse that the guitar part was written as an accompinament is Led Zep-fan apologia of epic proportions.

[christfersmart1]

Er, I meant accompaniment. To add, Paul Simon uses a similar excuse for his theft of Martin Carthy's "Scarborough Fair", a song that Carthy found and arranged, almost exactly like the one that PS copyrighted in his and ART GARFUNKEL's name. Git.

[Johnny6666]

Absolutely correct. It's refreshing to see someone speak the truth regarding Page's 'borrowings'.

[christfersmart1]

I think it's interesting that Carthy speaks about Simon on this clip too. I think it's funny that Paul Simon credits Davy Graham for Anji on the Sounds of Silence LP when in fact it is almost a note-for-note copy of Bert Jansch's arrangement including the incorporation of "Worksong". Hmmm.

[blackZoso]

oh my god he nearly copied it

[danarrow]

Thanks for posting this. Rare footage I have not seen before.