From My Car: Abortion is MURDER

[RaccoonKing01]

So what gives you and the rest of the world to tell someone how to live? If you don't want your wife or girlfriend or whatever to have an abortion, fine, but get out of other people's business. I think a woman would rather listen to herself than to what you have to say.

Besides, wouldn't it be smarter to talk about condoms and protection? :P

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@RaccoonKing01 actually God has EVERY RIGHT to tell you how to live. Read the Bible. Abortion is MURDER - ALWAYS.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@RaccoonKing01 Abortion is murder. No discussion.

[robloxpwnmaster3]

there a little something people called Adoption

[Thecactusred]

Good video.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

Thanks.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

My daughter, who is at present in her mommy, is very much a baby and a real live person.

Vain arguments are all very nice until you face reality buddy.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@OnlyJesusSaves Suprise, my "daughter" turned out to be a boy! :) Welcome jack to the world!

[joshmitchell82]

Ultimately, we have to accept that we have responsibility for our actions, and therefore a Christian who holds both true, will not become fatalistic.

Thanks for reading my post.

josh

[ivanmikhailov]

1)Interpretation of bible: this is my point--we change the bible to our morals, not visa versa

2)who gave me authority? No one--the same as you. You look to a piece of barbaric bronze age literature for morals, I look to the needs of others. We're both without absolute authority--claiming you have it isn't good enough

3)about our personal responsibility--I couldn't agree more. That was my point. The religious are obligated to end sexual reproduction--the potential harm to fetuses is too high

[OnlyJesusSaves]

No one changed anything. The Bible is clear what it requires. What you misunderstand is the presupposition you are using. The writers of the Bible wrote it with the PreSupposition that God is, that He is the Author and that He can require what He chooses. When you read the Bible with this understanding it becomes exceedingly clear what God requires.

[ivanmikhailov]

The bible tells us to kill prostitutes, those who work on the sabbath, how to treat our slaves, etc. You ignore all of this--but on what grounds? "The bible is clear what it requires"? Not quite--you pick and choose what you find to be moral.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

If you lived in Israel at that time then YES you would be required to obey those laws. What we do today is recognize what law is for that nation that no longer exists, what is moral law for all time, what ceremonial law was done away with by Jesus.

Murdering is one of the Ten Commandments and that has not been done away with. Jesus even re-iterated it!

Abortion is the murder of an innocent and is an ABOMINATION.

[ivanmikhailov]

You're absolutely right that murder is commanded by god. Murder homosexuals, murder adulterers, murder those who work on the sabbath, murder those who wear blended fabric. What a proud tradition of murder you come from.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@ivanmikhailov Of course you know this is a logical fallacy due to the progressive nature of the Scripture. You are picking out only what you don't like. as I said before, if you lived in those days *during the reign of God over Israel as their Sovereign* you would INDEED be required to kill homosexuals, as that was the Law.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

Josh has it right IvanMikhailov.

[ivanmikhailov]

Let's not forget the point: you believe a fetus to be a valuable life, most fetuses are naturally destroyed in the womb, you have the power to reduce the amount of fetal death, therefore you have a responsbility to stop this. Why would you not try to inform the public about this perpetual loss of human life and put an end it?

[OnlyJesusSaves]

we are talking about the WILLFUL destruction of an innocent life and you want to play games? Is there something wrong with you?

[ivanmikhailov]

Innocent life? If you think a blastocyst is a human life, then god is the biggest abortionist of them all. Most zygotes are naturally destroyed as a course of nature. What kind of god designs a system that so callously destroys something you regard as so precious?

[joshmitchell82]

Scripture holds that God is divinely controlling His creatures, and also holds that each human is responsible for thier choices. In physics we also note antinomy's which are established facts, but "appear" to be opposed to each other, while existing in harmony with each other. These are mysteries which our minds cannot comprehend yet, however we must accept them and live with them. These antinomies are described by Charles Spurgeon when he said: "I do not need to reconcile friends".

[joshmitchell82]

By what authority do you judge any standard of punishment as right or wrong? Who gave you that right, and what makes your authority true / correct?

2. I agree that if one were to hold to "the maker has control of his creation" as the only truth by which to govern our lives, then we would likely become fatalistic and could justify any action with no responsibility. However scripture contains an antinomy, and so does the reality in which we live.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@joshmitchell82 by what authority do YOU judge me? :) See, it works both ways doesn't it?

[joshmitchell82]

1. Every text must be interpreted in it's context, and we must not force an interpretation from a different historical context (like today), personal preferences, and even from other books. You appear to be committing a fallacy of interpretation here, however that said, there is something to answer in your objection. I believe OnlyJesusSaves has answered well in the above post, and I would add this.

[joshmitchell82]

Mr Mikhailov,

I am glad that you take the time to express your views, for true forum is a potential means to better knowledge.

I do however disagree with you, as I love God and His bible.

If I may comment on your three objections.

[ivanmikhailov]

A fetus is not a child any more than a newborn is a teenager. If you really feel that a blastocyst is sacred, it should be your mission in life to prevent any and all forms of sexual reproduction. Most zygotes formed as a result of sex are natually expelled from a woman's body without her even knowing. How could you sit back and let this happen if you really feel a fetus is sacred. It seems that your god is the greatest abortionist of them all.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

The problem with you logic is the nature of what we are discussing. What is it? A baby is a human in any form it takes. And God says to kill that baby is murder. You can give the baby all the sterile medical terms you want but the baby is still a person.

As to your final comment, you forget the Maker has control of His creation. If Gid decides he baby will not live He has His reasons.

"Will not the God of all the earth do right?"

And have enough respect to not Blashpeme by lower casing God.

[ivanmikhailov]

1)the bible also says to stone to death petulent children, and loose women. Looking to the bible (literally, at least) for morals is a recipe for disaster.

2) saying "the maker has control of his creation" is a form of fatalism. By that logic we should just let those with cancer and infectious disease die because god has decided and allowed this to happen.

3) sorry about lower casing, but I have no respect for the god of the bible. I've read enough to realize he's an unpleasant character.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

I agree with you there about such moral interpretation. The Bible is progressive not successive.

And the problem with looking to the Bible for morals without the Authority of God Himself behind those morals leaves you to your opinions of what is right and wrong, rather than to an utter submission to the Law Giver.

God says it I accept it. You do not.

The reason you do not is because you reject His Sovereignty.

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@ivanmikhailov HOGWASH. Science has PROVEN the Bible to be dead accuarte... AGAIN. The Baby is 100% human at CONCEPTION and completely "toti-potent".

Again, you confuse the RIGHT of God to kill or make alive and man's. God has every right to kill us all, right now. MAN has NO right to kill a child, ever. PERIOD.

[ivanmikhailov]

@OnlyJesusSaves Science has proven the bible to be dead accurate? Which part? The part about the world being flat? Being 6,000 years old? The idea that snakes eat dirt? The idea that a bat is a bird? Please: the bible looks exactly as it should if it were written by barbaric, bronze-age, nomads. You're right: a baby is 100% human. What's your point? "Man has no right to kill a child, ever. period"? Really? What happened to the Amalekite children? Apparently it is okay to kill kids.

[whiteluvstoon]

@ivanmikhailov

now heres somebody that actually knows what their talking about

[whiteluvstoon]

@OnlyJesusSaves

How has "Science PROVEN the Bible to be dead accurate" if anything it's done the complete opposite, after all Science has the (probably) correct theory of Evolution....this video should be called "Classic American Brainwashing" that's all you are as a christian is somebody that has been brainwashed into believing a bunch of story's past down from thousands of years with not even 1% fact in

[OnlyJesusSaves]

@ivanmikhailov If a "fetus" is not a baby then the woman is not having a baby, is she?

[ivanmikhailov]

@OnlyJesusSaves I'm sorry you're confused by the stages of human development. I suggest you try reading a book on biology and not look to the bible for information on these matters. You might end up believing a bat is a bird or that snakes eat dirt, for example. I don't know--maybe you do believe these things. If so, i think you're probably the last person we should look to for any type of wisdom concerning human biology or reproduction.

[JohnInTheUSA]

Amen!