When one cites an ambiguous quantity of "they" "them" please cite quantitative data when advertising, other wise it is parallel to weasel-words. How can someone be a libertarian for being polar to another? That sounds quasi to irish bull.
@pigsdofly6 "Corporate" power comes from the state. It's shielding from competition that keeps them from being disciplined and catering to the consumer. So corporate and government dicks go hand in hand.
why live in america if you like socialism? there are plenty of failing socialist (and already failed communist) countries in the world, so why live in the one country who was founded on the right to your life, liberty, and property when those are the things you are trying to get taken away?
Ayn Rand's Objectivism is by and large an individual philosophy built on the political philosophy of libertarianism (or any number of names for the same/similar things). The fact of the matter is that a libertarian society allows freedom of the individual - Objectivism says that a libertarian society's ideals should be the ideals enacted in every-day life by its citizens. On the other end of the spectrum, we have libertarian philanthropists, who want to do what the current state is doing freely.
Ultimately Ayn Rand's basic idea, that rational self-interest should be pursued, is fair enough. The qualm I have with Objectivism is that it attempts to define what my rational self-interest should be - that is, it would make a value judgement on my behalf, the very problem I have with an extensive, coercive state. Even if the basic tenets of the philosophy are sound, the conclusions reached are not so, at least, not universally, for all individuals.
The beauty, however, of libertarianism is that it allows me to make my own value judgements. Hence, while I don't have an issue with individual Objectivists, an Objectivist state, which would enforce Objectivist ideals with regards to personal value judgements, is inherently hypocritical. Libertarianism should be, and Objectivism may be within it. Many opponents of libertarianism, and many proponents of Objectivism alike, need to understand this key point.
@isaias1776 It's making fun of an argument that some people use against libertarians. Basically the argument goes like "if don't think the government should provide x, then don't use x" or "if you vote or use something provided by the government then you consent to government rule." Check out the video he responded to for an example.
@Tsicar A waste of time for a waste of time, dear sir. I wasn't even disagreeing with him. He jumped to the wrong conclusion and attacked from that mistaken belief. I have no disagreement with him here. So there!
When you say that someone should learn someone else's history as if they were ignorant about that person all the while being ignorant to the fact that fringe was being sarcastic, i could see why fringe said what he said. Also just because someone else is against the state doesn't automatically make them your "comrade", sure he may be tolerant but that doesn't mean he has to stay quiet at the face of potential ignorance.
@ProDCloud "fringe was being sarcastic" This is the internet. There is no such thing as inflection in text without italics. So if he was simply being sarcastic he should have put quotes around his reply so as to indicate that he did not hold that view.
"doesnt automatically make them your "comrade" " You think I don't know that? You're intentionally overcritical.
"When you say... learn someone else's history" Tell me, quote it, when exactly did I say that?
"This is the internet. There is no such thing as inflection in text without italics. So if he was simply being sarcastic he should have put quotes around his reply so as to indicate that he did not hold that view."
I meant fringe was being sarcastic in the video...
"You think I don't know that? You're intentionally overcritical."
okay
"Tell me, quote it, when exactly did I say that?"
I never said you did it was a hypothetical to help you understand his reaction.
XD haha, "Randroids" - I gotta remember that one! Nicely done, as always, Ryan! You're absolutely right about the hypocrisy levels, man - they're practically through the friggin roof!
@SquirrelFromGradLife No, that was the point; this video is a satire pointing out that the fact that Libertarians who oppose compulsory-tax-funded road-building systems, but drive on the roads they build are not hypocrites any more than people who accept rations in a prison camp. Accepting what you can get in an oppressive situation does not imply that you consent to the oppression, the assertions of many a statist notwithstanding.
@TrentSteeele Hey a, the most open statist I know, and even I know the argument is codswallop. Just because you use a product or service does not mean you necessarily support the entirety of the structure behind it. I mean otherwise all people living in mixed economies would be practically schizophrenic XD
Here’s the deal…While you highlight a point that is valid you dismiss critical facts surrounding your point. When the system has you at the end of a gun barrel such as the USSR one’s cooperation cannot be taken as endorsement of said system. Now in the US we have a bit different thing. However, there is no shame in playing the game by the current rules and yet advocate for a new set of rules.
I don't understand how you equate statism with some people taking resources from other people. There are probably some people who abuse the welfare system, but they are below the poverty line, it's not like they are living the high life. I thought everyone contributes? Who are these people you always talk about that don't contribute but just take resources from others?
@CMO999 The state IS a group of people that takes resources from others, by force if necessary. They don't create wealth, they take it. To say one contributes implies a non-coerced choice. Can you not pay your taxes if you don't like a particular government program without getting harassed by the police/IRS/insert gov agency here?
It is also not necessarily the case that the recipients of this stolen wealth have to be poor. Often times, large corporations get special protections and subsidies.
@RadiantMirage That's true. I see what you are saying. Still, you can make a good life for yourself in this world (meaning N.America) without an unreasonable amount of effort. We probably have the best standards of living that any humans have experienced throughout history. That's not to say that we shouldn't continually strive for improvement, but I don't think it's anything to get up in arms about - paying a fraction of your income that you would rather keep is hardly amputation.
@ProDCloud Okay, I'm sure you would have no reservations about using necessary public services, so why would you have a problem with contributing to them?
I think I can speak for him: he doesn't have a problem with contributing to services he uses. He has a problem being forced to contribute to services.
No what i have a problem with is paying for a "package deal" instead of picking and choosing what i want to use, also that still doesn't solve the problem of it being a monopoly and having no incentive to produce more than the minimum value.
good shit fringe, as always. glad to see you are still making vids after all this time. election season is here and things are heating up again, i suppose it's time to take on the statists.
Any empire that doesn't want to fold from ruthless financiers should be Stalinist. Plain and simple. An imperial democratic republic is moronic. America seems to want empire, yet doesn't want the distant Politburo waving from a giant balcony. Make up your minds fools! War destroys all but the most fanatical and disciplined people.
I just “love” how statists (I call them non-thinkers) claim that if we don’t like paying taxes, we shouldn’t use things like roads and the post office, never mind that, because of state monopoly, those are the only options available. Ah, blind patriotism: love it or leave it. Don’t complain. Don’t ask questions. Just pay your taxes.
Libertarians don't advocate for any one solution to societal problems - the beauty of voluntarism is that it is impossible to know how these issues can be most efficiently solved before one allows a spontaneous order to emerge.
I shouldn't pay taxes for things I don't use! Everyone should provide for themselves, not have the Government do it for them! If my house is on fire, it's up to me to put it out! If I get in a car accident, just leave me there to die in my car. If I need to get somewhere, I'll build my OWN roads, and If I get attacked or robbed, I'll fight the criminals by myself. Anything else is for wussy pinko-communists! It's not MY fault that everyone isn't a rich banker/lawyer/doctor.
@nightmathzombieethan Wow, never heard this false dichotomy before in my life!!! /sarcasm Its not the case that if you are an anti-statist, you then have to be a hermit. There is nothing wrong with contracting with other people for road construction and paying for road services, its just that the state forcefully monopolizing the roads and restricting private competition is the problem. Private charities and community organizations also exist, and would exist in greater number w/o the state.
@RadiantMirage "There is nothing wrong with contracting with other people for road construction....the state forcefully monopolizing the roads and restricting private competition is the problem" I see your point, plus I'd be much happier if I knew that my tax dollars were A: Actually being spent to improve roadways and B: Not necessarily always going to the lowest bidder. Sadly too, most contracts go to the company that greased the most palms.
@nightmathzombieethan This shouldn't come as any surprise though as the state is a violently enforced monopoly. Why should the state give a shit about maintaining the roads in the best way possible? Just try not paying your taxes because you are disgusted with the way they have used your money. How far will you get before cops bust down your door and take you away? In a purely competitive free market, companies have to satisfy you or risk losing you as a paying customer. States don't have to.
the only reason that this alleged dichotomy exists is b/c many scientists confuse prediction and explanation. that's why they use two different definitions for the term "hypothesis," ie, on one hand being an "educated guess," and on the other being a statement like "X exists," despite the fact that these are radically different. there is no conflict between a priori theory and empirical data, the former explains the latter. to side with one is to confuse the two.
And if you'd have taken money from me and bought me eggs, milk, bread and socks, I'd tell you to keep them and give me back my money! I don't consume eggs and milk and the bread you bought isn't the bread I like and I don't like the socks. I wanted to buy something else with that money!
While statism is the easiest religion to satirise, and provides some of the funniest material, it's also the most dangerous religion. Why? Because, when statists believe in THEIR god, they allow it to actually exist. No other religion in the world has the power to bring their god into existence by believing in it.
G'day.... To be a "Perfect" Pacifist, give up ALL Ca$h...! "Legitimate" income is taxed, to fund the Murderous Military ; & "Black Market" profits're also tapped, when spent elsewhere, via GST/VAT, Sales Tax & Levies..! My $20G/yr pension returns 2thou., in GST ; & at 3% Gov't Spend. to "Defence"... I'm slugged $60/yr..; to fund Blasphemy..!!! That doesn't mean I endorse it. Violence is the last refuge for the Incompetant !
@SecularNumanist well an egg isn't a service for one. i might go into more depth tomorrow. in the meantime - your arse and a hole in the ground, both dark circular crevices, differentiate them
@fringeelements so what you say is, the libertarians are hypocrite because they use public roads. What other choice do they have? You think that taking money from people is just okay? Nope. Its stealing.
@TheSeriousMysterious He is being sarcastic, he is actually against the state. He's making fun of statists who try to use the "Well you use the public roads, so you are a hypocrite!" argument. That argument is basically related to the one I addressed below where that statist confused anti-state ideas with being 100% self-reliant. They think that a libertarian must necessarily be a hermit, so any instance that contradicts this view( a libertarian using "public" roads) is considered hypocritical.
@Nightmare060 Well, come on now, his original example was using food. It was only because someone was objecting to the food example that he proceeded to something more absurd. Geez, can't please anyone, can you, fringe?
Wow, and you think you are entitled to other people's labor by virtue of your pathetic existence just because it's called "healthcare". So the bottom line is this: You do NOT have a right for healthcare anymore than you have the right to any other labor, which includes golden toilet seats. And no statist pseudo-intellectual can refute this simple fact of life, even if he has 10 Phds from Harvard. So deal with it and move on, Mr. More-Moral-Than-Thou-Because-I-Want-Free-Stuff.
@BornUnderABadSign89 Hey, what happened to your smartass attitude? You either realized you were wrong and don't have the guts to admit to it, or you stuck your head in the sand. I hope it's the former at least.
If a group of people decide to create a common fund where everybody pays there share in order to finance somekind of infrastructure then there is nothing wrong or illogical to such process. The real problem is that people are born into existing systems that were created a long time ago so the current generation had no say in the contract. I dont see how this can be solved unless all contracts that define anykind of collective relationship expire with every generation.
There's also the fact that future generations are being charged for "services" that they don't even yet exist to use. The schools they go to will be paid for by their own children and grandchildren. Nobody even asked the government to do all this.
You think it's bad in the US? Come to Germany. I'm trying to argue with people about individualism (I know you don't like this word but you get what I mean) and free markets and they can't say anything but 'The state has to do this' and 'The collective is more important than the individual'. They can't bring up anything but these socialist buzz words. And the worst thing: They actually think they are superior than me 'indoctrinated' capitalist
This works out so well, especially since 90%, of teachers and ALL the media is heavily, heavily leftist (especially the one paid for by... the state). But still chomsky drones think that they think 'different'. It's just so retarded, it's really tedious to talk with these people. It literally feels like I'm talking with a bunch of north korean brainwashed zombies.
I know the US has it's flaws (especially since Bush & Obama) but if I could, I'd go there in a heartbeat.
but true enough of that brand of thought, although I think a left-libertarian view is health, we just don't need big government telling people how to live, small gov, affective and efficient, organisation, not a black hole of control where liberty is quashed in favour of totalitarian equality, true equality of the people shouldn't be force by the state, not never.
wtf is up up your logic are telling me that if i lived in the USSR in the the time of communism and i didnt kill myself by starving myself to death that means im pro communism. thats just stupid in communism, escpecially if you lived in a communist city far from any farms your only means of food was through the goverment. if you didnt eat the food given to you, you died its as simple as that.
Yeah, I'm totally digging those free roads that I pay for with my tax money. lol
This is the reason why whenever I respond to someone who makes arguments like the ones Fringe is satirizing, I always put up a picture of the "Free Idiot Test, $5" gag, because it fits the intelligence of the person making the argument.
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT...YOUR FRIEND TOOK THE SHIT YOU BOUGHT WITH HIS MONEY BECAUSE IT BELONGED TO HIM...THE PRISONERS ATE THE FOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO EAT OR DIE...SAME AS THE PEOPLE IN USSR...THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT..
lol. did you see our comment exchange? he deleted one of my comments and blocked me twice.
to be fair i didnt use a very straightforward example of a taxless government. I showed him a source that had examples of free cities that existed prior to the formation of the nation state. but he complained that i didnt cite a single example of a taxless government!!!!!
1:18 sauce plz
nice video dude
KraljevicPavle 3 days ago
1:18 that character seems familiar
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When one cites an ambiguous quantity of "they" "them" please cite quantitative data when advertising, other wise it is parallel to weasel-words. How can someone be a libertarian for being polar to another? That sounds quasi to irish bull.
Swampymcswamp 3 months ago
It all comes down to whether you prefer corporate dicks or government dicks up your ass.
pigsdofly6 3 months ago
@pigsdofly6 "Corporate" power comes from the state. It's shielding from competition that keeps them from being disciplined and catering to the consumer. So corporate and government dicks go hand in hand.
fringeelements 3 months ago 17
@fringeelements Don't you mean DICK IN HAND?
sorry
utuebmakeustupid 1 month ago
government takes $50 for $10 worth of products... at least your example is realistic.
ConorJNixon 4 months ago
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why live in america if you like socialism? there are plenty of failing socialist (and already failed communist) countries in the world, so why live in the one country who was founded on the right to your life, liberty, and property when those are the things you are trying to get taken away?
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Ayn Rand's Objectivism is by and large an individual philosophy built on the political philosophy of libertarianism (or any number of names for the same/similar things). The fact of the matter is that a libertarian society allows freedom of the individual - Objectivism says that a libertarian society's ideals should be the ideals enacted in every-day life by its citizens. On the other end of the spectrum, we have libertarian philanthropists, who want to do what the current state is doing freely.
WiggaMachiavelli 5 months ago
@WiggaMachiavelli
Ultimately Ayn Rand's basic idea, that rational self-interest should be pursued, is fair enough. The qualm I have with Objectivism is that it attempts to define what my rational self-interest should be - that is, it would make a value judgement on my behalf, the very problem I have with an extensive, coercive state. Even if the basic tenets of the philosophy are sound, the conclusions reached are not so, at least, not universally, for all individuals.
WiggaMachiavelli 5 months ago
@WiggaMachiavelli
The beauty, however, of libertarianism is that it allows me to make my own value judgements. Hence, while I don't have an issue with individual Objectivists, an Objectivist state, which would enforce Objectivist ideals with regards to personal value judgements, is inherently hypocritical. Libertarianism should be, and Objectivism may be within it. Many opponents of libertarianism, and many proponents of Objectivism alike, need to understand this key point.
WiggaMachiavelli 5 months ago
I shall be posting this on Reddit whenever I see some idiot using this "use = consent" argument on /r/politics.
DoctorCapitalist 5 months ago
I don't get the argument of the video. Can someone put this video into perspective or context.
isaias1776 5 months ago
@isaias1776 It's making fun of an argument that some people use against libertarians. Basically the argument goes like "if don't think the government should provide x, then don't use x" or "if you vote or use something provided by the government then you consent to government rule." Check out the video he responded to for an example.
lambedan 5 months ago
OK. I'll give you a bit of my time. Firstly, don't FUCKING EVER try to insult me without knowing me. I will break your face open for you.
Second. Ayn Rand's life was tragic; that's why she came to be the way she was and believe as she did.
I favourited this video before hearing from you.
I do not endorse violence as a first choice remedy.
fuckoverload 5 months ago
@fuckoverload
u..........mad?
ProDCloud 5 months ago
@ProDCloud Angry or insane?
fuckoverload 5 months ago
@fuckoverload
/watch?v=vf-I8i9dM8c
ProDCloud 5 months ago
@ProDCloud /watch?v=3KoedDTeYns
fuckoverload 5 months ago
@fuckoverload LOL, what the fuck does a video with a girl pivoting her glittery head back and forth have to do with anything?
Tsicar 2 months ago
@Tsicar A waste of time for a waste of time, dear sir. I wasn't even disagreeing with him. He jumped to the wrong conclusion and attacked from that mistaken belief. I have no disagreement with him here. So there!
fuckoverload 2 months ago
@fuckoverload FAGGOT!
Tsicar 2 months ago
@Tsicar NiggerFaggot, actually.
fuckoverload 2 months ago
Look into Rand's eyes. Learn her history. Says it all.
fuckoverload 5 months ago
I've never been a follower of Ayn Rand. You're a simplistic tool.
fringeelements 5 months ago 12
@fringeelements lol! Did I say you were?
fuckoverload 5 months ago
@fringeelements I can't see any logical justification for lashing out at a fellow non-statist.
Not to mention the fact that Ayn Rand is an advocate of reason and her "tools" are subscribers.
If you've got some personal vendetta against the world, please refrain from attacking your comrades and instead take it out on the statists.
RemBot2000 5 months ago
@RemBot2000
When you say that someone should learn someone else's history as if they were ignorant about that person all the while being ignorant to the fact that fringe was being sarcastic, i could see why fringe said what he said. Also just because someone else is against the state doesn't automatically make them your "comrade", sure he may be tolerant but that doesn't mean he has to stay quiet at the face of potential ignorance.
ProDCloud 4 months ago
@ProDCloud "fringe was being sarcastic" This is the internet. There is no such thing as inflection in text without italics. So if he was simply being sarcastic he should have put quotes around his reply so as to indicate that he did not hold that view.
"doesnt automatically make them your "comrade" " You think I don't know that? You're intentionally overcritical.
"When you say... learn someone else's history" Tell me, quote it, when exactly did I say that?
"... ignorance" That's not HIS problem.
RemBot2000 4 months ago
@RemBot2000
"This is the internet. There is no such thing as inflection in text without italics. So if he was simply being sarcastic he should have put quotes around his reply so as to indicate that he did not hold that view."
I meant fringe was being sarcastic in the video...
"You think I don't know that? You're intentionally overcritical."
okay
"Tell me, quote it, when exactly did I say that?"
I never said you did it was a hypothetical to help you understand his reaction.
ProDCloud 4 months ago
"That's not HIS problem."
Its everyone's problem at this point, as it serves as the foundation for the state.
ProDCloud 4 months ago
@ProDCloud Whatever bro.
RemBot2000 4 months ago
@fringeelements
So you decided to attack a strawman WITH a strawman......
How utterly fatuous.
Wethewax 5 months ago
@Wethewax Nope. It was showing the absurdity of the argument that "use = consent".
fringeelements 5 months ago 22
fringeelements. Why are you not on r/Anarcho_Capitalism/ over on reddit? We would love to hear from you.
kurtu5 6 months ago
Awesome video, so true.
ArcoFlagellant 6 months ago
XD haha, "Randroids" - I gotta remember that one! Nicely done, as always, Ryan! You're absolutely right about the hypocrisy levels, man - they're practically through the friggin roof!
jeremyshaw 6 months ago
I don't get the "support prison camps by eating your rations" argument..
Is starving to death the only option to express ones dislike for an institution or situation?
SquirrelFromGradLife 6 months ago
@SquirrelFromGradLife No, that was the point; this video is a satire pointing out that the fact that Libertarians who oppose compulsory-tax-funded road-building systems, but drive on the roads they build are not hypocrites any more than people who accept rations in a prison camp. Accepting what you can get in an oppressive situation does not imply that you consent to the oppression, the assertions of many a statist notwithstanding.
TrentSteeele 6 months ago 16
@TrentSteeele Hey a, the most open statist I know, and even I know the argument is codswallop. Just because you use a product or service does not mean you necessarily support the entirety of the structure behind it. I mean otherwise all people living in mixed economies would be practically schizophrenic XD
Scientisticsoviet 1 month ago
P.S. Not all Libertarians are Radians.
nicodemous52 6 months ago
Here’s the deal…While you highlight a point that is valid you dismiss critical facts surrounding your point. When the system has you at the end of a gun barrel such as the USSR one’s cooperation cannot be taken as endorsement of said system. Now in the US we have a bit different thing. However, there is no shame in playing the game by the current rules and yet advocate for a new set of rules.
nicodemous52 6 months ago
I don't understand how you equate statism with some people taking resources from other people. There are probably some people who abuse the welfare system, but they are below the poverty line, it's not like they are living the high life. I thought everyone contributes? Who are these people you always talk about that don't contribute but just take resources from others?
CMO999 6 months ago
@CMO999 The state IS a group of people that takes resources from others, by force if necessary. They don't create wealth, they take it. To say one contributes implies a non-coerced choice. Can you not pay your taxes if you don't like a particular government program without getting harassed by the police/IRS/insert gov agency here?
It is also not necessarily the case that the recipients of this stolen wealth have to be poor. Often times, large corporations get special protections and subsidies.
RadiantMirage 6 months ago
@RadiantMirage That's true. I see what you are saying. Still, you can make a good life for yourself in this world (meaning N.America) without an unreasonable amount of effort. We probably have the best standards of living that any humans have experienced throughout history. That's not to say that we shouldn't continually strive for improvement, but I don't think it's anything to get up in arms about - paying a fraction of your income that you would rather keep is hardly amputation.
CMO999 6 months ago
@CMO999
The problem is that its forced and not voluntary.
ProDCloud 6 months ago
@ProDCloud Okay, I'm sure you would have no reservations about using necessary public services, so why would you have a problem with contributing to them?
CMO999 6 months ago
I think I can speak for him: he doesn't have a problem with contributing to services he uses. He has a problem being forced to contribute to services.
fringeelements 6 months ago
@CMO999
No what i have a problem with is paying for a "package deal" instead of picking and choosing what i want to use, also that still doesn't solve the problem of it being a monopoly and having no incentive to produce more than the minimum value.
ProDCloud 6 months ago
Love your use of Hetalia "America".
NefariousBanana 6 months ago
Good one lol
StrafingMoose 6 months ago
good shit fringe, as always. glad to see you are still making vids after all this time. election season is here and things are heating up again, i suppose it's time to take on the statists.
junior00bacon00chee 6 months ago
For me Libertarianism is nothing, but a stepping stone to real freedom, but even as an end goal it is preferable to a big state.
jollyradical 6 months ago
Heh this is great.
asdfgasdfasdful 6 months ago
Me=libertarian who hates Rand. I prefer Kant.
fruitikay 6 months ago
@fruitikay You Kant!
DKshad0w 6 months ago
@fruitikay meh your a socialist quit lying kay
chorizo1337 6 months ago
@chorizo1337 lol
fruitikay 6 months ago
Any empire that doesn't want to fold from ruthless financiers should be Stalinist. Plain and simple. An imperial democratic republic is moronic. America seems to want empire, yet doesn't want the distant Politburo waving from a giant balcony. Make up your minds fools! War destroys all but the most fanatical and disciplined people.
PrimeConsciousness 6 months ago
I hope this is sarcastic because otherwise it's fucking ridiculous.
URProductions 6 months ago
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withtheoldbreed 6 months ago
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withtheoldbreed 6 months ago
♪ I--------t's saaaatireeeeee!!! ♬
fringeelements 6 months ago
@fringeelements Yea I'm joking aswell. (In a serious manner)
withtheoldbreed 6 months ago
@withtheoldbreed What
1000g2g3g4g800999 6 months ago
Pretty good one!
RumekRavager 6 months ago
Nice to see a new video from you. Very clever one at that.
rhettrongun 6 months ago
We missed you!
unclesamfatg 6 months ago
I just “love” how statists (I call them non-thinkers) claim that if we don’t like paying taxes, we shouldn’t use things like roads and the post office, never mind that, because of state monopoly, those are the only options available. Ah, blind patriotism: love it or leave it. Don’t complain. Don’t ask questions. Just pay your taxes.
BlameTheFirst 6 months ago 2
Un-friend
hairoftehdog 6 months ago
@hairoftehdog Goodbye.
DKshad0w 6 months ago
@DKshad0w My best wishes :}
hairoftehdog 6 months ago
Hey.
Welcome back.
IncognitusSapiens 6 months ago
Tehe.
RaymondDundas 6 months ago
Ron Paul for president in 2012. This video made me laugh. Those silly libertarians and their principles. lol
MrSafetymeeting 6 months ago
This is awesome!
kanz0bgz 6 months ago
"They're ALL Randroids. EVERY ONE OF THEM."
XD
fountainherz 6 months ago
fringe, do you advocate a toll-like "pay as you use" road system?
scottpastry 6 months ago
@scottpastry
Not necessarily. Check out "Anti-Statism at Light Speed: Roads"
fountainherz 6 months ago
@fountainherz Actually for highways I do. It's not so much I "advocate" as I predict... based on how they work now.
fringeelements 6 months ago
@scottpastry
Libertarians don't advocate for any one solution to societal problems - the beauty of voluntarism is that it is impossible to know how these issues can be most efficiently solved before one allows a spontaneous order to emerge.
rockandrock44 6 months ago
@scottpastry - Look up 'anti-statism at light speed: roads'. He describes how he thinks roads might operate on a free market.
xXMetalMeltdownXx 6 months ago
I shouldn't pay taxes for things I don't use! Everyone should provide for themselves, not have the Government do it for them! If my house is on fire, it's up to me to put it out! If I get in a car accident, just leave me there to die in my car. If I need to get somewhere, I'll build my OWN roads, and If I get attacked or robbed, I'll fight the criminals by myself. Anything else is for wussy pinko-communists! It's not MY fault that everyone isn't a rich banker/lawyer/doctor.
nightmathzombieethan 6 months ago
@nightmathzombieethan Wow, never heard this false dichotomy before in my life!!! /sarcasm Its not the case that if you are an anti-statist, you then have to be a hermit. There is nothing wrong with contracting with other people for road construction and paying for road services, its just that the state forcefully monopolizing the roads and restricting private competition is the problem. Private charities and community organizations also exist, and would exist in greater number w/o the state.
RadiantMirage 6 months ago
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@RadiantMirage "There is nothing wrong with contracting with other people for road construction....the state forcefully monopolizing the roads and restricting private competition is the problem" I see your point, plus I'd be much happier if I knew that my tax dollars were A: Actually being spent to improve roadways and B: Not necessarily always going to the lowest bidder. Sadly too, most contracts go to the company that greased the most palms.
nightmathzombieethan 6 months ago
@nightmathzombieethan This shouldn't come as any surprise though as the state is a violently enforced monopoly. Why should the state give a shit about maintaining the roads in the best way possible? Just try not paying your taxes because you are disgusted with the way they have used your money. How far will you get before cops bust down your door and take you away? In a purely competitive free market, companies have to satisfy you or risk losing you as a paying customer. States don't have to.
RadiantMirage 6 months ago
Great video Ryan! Just curious, do you consider yourself a rationalist or an empiricist?
obtree 6 months ago
@obtree The dichotomy is largely artificial and outdated. Few rationalists are not empiricists anyway.
Moragauth 6 months ago
@obtree
the only reason that this alleged dichotomy exists is b/c many scientists confuse prediction and explanation. that's why they use two different definitions for the term "hypothesis," ie, on one hand being an "educated guess," and on the other being a statement like "X exists," despite the fact that these are radically different. there is no conflict between a priori theory and empirical data, the former explains the latter. to side with one is to confuse the two.
junior00bacon00chee 6 months ago 2
@junior00bacon00chee
I agree, a priori and empiricism can actually go together like bread and butter.
fountainherz 6 months ago
And if you'd have taken money from me and bought me eggs, milk, bread and socks, I'd tell you to keep them and give me back my money! I don't consume eggs and milk and the bread you bought isn't the bread I like and I don't like the socks. I wanted to buy something else with that money!
marcluc1988 6 months ago
"The people ate the food when it was given to them!", you say. What the fuck do you expect them to do? Starve?
marcluc1988 6 months ago
So true, so simple, yet so far beyond comprehension for about 95% of us...
LibertyDownUnder 6 months ago
While statism is the easiest religion to satirise, and provides some of the funniest material, it's also the most dangerous religion. Why? Because, when statists believe in THEIR god, they allow it to actually exist. No other religion in the world has the power to bring their god into existence by believing in it.
TheCeejReturns 6 months ago 6
Be careful. FSAthe1st might start yelling at you for not watching his entire movie and ban you for... something... He'll figure it out later.
Virgil0211 6 months ago 11
@Virgil0211 This is a parody of "diary of a conservative", which I watched in it's entirety.
fringeelements 6 months ago 5
@fringeelements He made his own version, as he thought the original was incomplete.
He's gone a bit off the deep end recently. It wouldn't surprise me, honestly.
Virgil0211 6 months ago
This is going in Fav Qutoes!
vspqbd 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist
@fringeelements
G'day.... To be a "Perfect" Pacifist, give up ALL Ca$h...! "Legitimate" income is taxed, to fund the Murderous Military ; & "Black Market" profits're also tapped, when spent elsewhere, via GST/VAT, Sales Tax & Levies..! My $20G/yr pension returns 2thou., in GST ; & at 3% Gov't Spend. to "Defence"... I'm slugged $60/yr..; to fund Blasphemy..!!! That doesn't mean I endorse it. Violence is the last refuge for the Incompetant !
WarblesOnALot 6 months ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
eggs and hospitals = not analogous. you don't really understand the world around you.
BornUnderABadSign89 6 months ago
@BornUnderABadSign89
a service provided with money.
differentiate them
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist well an egg isn't a service for one. i might go into more depth tomorrow. in the meantime - your arse and a hole in the ground, both dark circular crevices, differentiate them
BornUnderABadSign89 6 months ago
@BornUnderABadSign89
proving an egg is a service.
thats like saying medicine isnt a service... providing medicine is a service though. its that straightforward
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist providing*
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist Providing an egg to someone who doesn't eat eggs is NOT a service.
marcluc1988 6 months ago
@marcluc1988
Providing healthcare to someone who doesnt want the healthcare isnt a service.
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@BornUnderABadSign89 Well, I can take money from you and provide golden toilet seats. I pronounce that they are very important and a human right.
Actually, I think my example of food is great because food is more important than medical services.
fringeelements 6 months ago 29
@fringeelements so what you say is, the libertarians are hypocrite because they use public roads. What other choice do they have? You think that taking money from people is just okay? Nope. Its stealing.
TheSeriousMysterious 6 months ago
@TheSeriousMysterious He is being sarcastic, he is actually against the state. He's making fun of statists who try to use the "Well you use the public roads, so you are a hypocrite!" argument. That argument is basically related to the one I addressed below where that statist confused anti-state ideas with being 100% self-reliant. They think that a libertarian must necessarily be a hermit, so any instance that contradicts this view( a libertarian using "public" roads) is considered hypocritical.
RadiantMirage 6 months ago
@TheSeriousMysterious he's parodying a video called "diary of a conservative".
Houshalter 6 months ago
@TheSeriousMysterious Good grief man. There is always one person I suppose. No offense btw. Just had a good laugh from your comment.
rhettrongun 6 months ago
@fringeelements Yes food is very important. And lets not forget about Holodomor........
legendsofatheria 6 months ago
@fringeelements Wow, you equate paying for healthcare to paying for gold toilet seats. Really makes me wonder why people take you seriously....
Nightmare060 6 months ago
@Nightmare060 Nope. Just illustrating the underlying principle with an example that's more obviously absurd.
fringeelements 6 months ago 3
@Nightmare060 Well, come on now, his original example was using food. It was only because someone was objecting to the food example that he proceeded to something more absurd. Geez, can't please anyone, can you, fringe?
RadiantMirage 6 months ago
@Nightmare060:
Wow, and you think you are entitled to other people's labor by virtue of your pathetic existence just because it's called "healthcare". So the bottom line is this: You do NOT have a right for healthcare anymore than you have the right to any other labor, which includes golden toilet seats. And no statist pseudo-intellectual can refute this simple fact of life, even if he has 10 Phds from Harvard. So deal with it and move on, Mr. More-Moral-Than-Thou-Because-I-Want-Free-Stuff.
Akatam0t0ma 6 months ago
@BornUnderABadSign89 Hey, what happened to your smartass attitude? You either realized you were wrong and don't have the guts to admit to it, or you stuck your head in the sand. I hope it's the former at least.
rhettrongun 6 months ago
But herp derp you owe society for the resources you took from it!
GuardofLiberty 6 months ago
YES!!!!!, i love you fringe.
ProDCloud 6 months ago
Statists infuriate me. I had to cut off all of my friends because they're all idiot socialists. fuckem'
natritious1 6 months ago
I couldn't stop laughing. Awesome video :)
Kyocus 6 months ago
If a group of people decide to create a common fund where everybody pays there share in order to finance somekind of infrastructure then there is nothing wrong or illogical to such process. The real problem is that people are born into existing systems that were created a long time ago so the current generation had no say in the contract. I dont see how this can be solved unless all contracts that define anykind of collective relationship expire with every generation.
quatroseven 6 months ago
@quatroseven
which of course would mean the state expires...
quatroseven 6 months ago
statist? more like sadist! OHHHHHH!!!
TheMufflicks 6 months ago
And than the voices in my head told me this dude was gonna pepper spray me, so I stabbed his ass.
thatkamikid 6 months ago
Goddamned, what a great video.
kkilo34 6 months ago
EVERY SINGLE ONE!!!!!
AsymmetricalWarfare 6 months ago
There's also the fact that future generations are being charged for "services" that they don't even yet exist to use. The schools they go to will be paid for by their own children and grandchildren. Nobody even asked the government to do all this.
PluralOfEverything 6 months ago
Well if Jimmy doesn't like it he should go find another place to live
nightpotato 6 months ago
@nightpotato If statists don't like living where there are anarchists, I think they should find another country to live in.
PluralOfEverything 6 months ago
LOL spot on!
shaurz 6 months ago
You think it's bad in the US? Come to Germany. I'm trying to argue with people about individualism (I know you don't like this word but you get what I mean) and free markets and they can't say anything but 'The state has to do this' and 'The collective is more important than the individual'. They can't bring up anything but these socialist buzz words. And the worst thing: They actually think they are superior than me 'indoctrinated' capitalist
Breaker242 6 months ago
@Breaker242
This works out so well, especially since 90%, of teachers and ALL the media is heavily, heavily leftist (especially the one paid for by... the state). But still chomsky drones think that they think 'different'. It's just so retarded, it's really tedious to talk with these people. It literally feels like I'm talking with a bunch of north korean brainwashed zombies.
I know the US has it's flaws (especially since Bush & Obama) but if I could, I'd go there in a heartbeat.
Breaker242 6 months ago
@Breaker242 it's probably the culture
182511419139208 6 months ago
@182511419139208
It's a a bad culture.
Breaker242 6 months ago
@JakobFe i agree
icemeltsinspring 6 months ago
what the helll man, lol you make some good points and I agree with most of you rant, but cuh-mon man... 'SLOW DOWN' lol
icemeltsinspring 6 months ago
this is genious.
i know you don't really like stefan molyneux but this reminded me a lot of some of his more clever videos.
1schwererziehbar1 6 months ago
If your argument's logic could be used to defend any status-quo no matter how batshit absurd, then you may be a statist.
Caveman135 6 months ago 4
Stand for Freedom and Liberty! Less Government, more responsibility and with God's Help a Better World!
stephenabm 6 months ago
although, to add, you go a bit OTT, no offence
roblesterfilms 6 months ago
Great video
Bleakfacts 6 months ago
LOL, witty much!
but true enough of that brand of thought, although I think a left-libertarian view is health, we just don't need big government telling people how to live, small gov, affective and efficient, organisation, not a black hole of control where liberty is quashed in favour of totalitarian equality, true equality of the people shouldn't be force by the state, not never.
roblesterfilms 6 months ago
@roblesterfilms whoops i meant to sat 'healthy', type error, lol, my bad :)
roblesterfilms 6 months ago
wtf is up up your logic are telling me that if i lived in the USSR in the the time of communism and i didnt kill myself by starving myself to death that means im pro communism. thats just stupid in communism, escpecially if you lived in a communist city far from any farms your only means of food was through the goverment. if you didnt eat the food given to you, you died its as simple as that.
brickman409 6 months ago
@brickman409
Relax... and "sense the tone".
utubehayter 6 months ago
"These Randroids... and they are all fans of Ayn Rand! Every single one of them."
Awesome. I always wanted someone to say that!
utubehayter 6 months ago
Well said and, sadly, quite akin to the sort of nonsense arguments I have to deal with when speaking with statists...
chuska8383 6 months ago
Yeah, totally digging these free roads with more potholes than a statist's argument
mana2432 6 months ago
haha, I get it!
"..that if you accept your rations in a prison camp, that that doesn't constitute as an endorsement of the prison camp..."
Oh! NOW I get it!
MutantBamHammer 6 months ago
Yeah, I'm totally digging those free roads that I pay for with my tax money. lol
This is the reason why whenever I respond to someone who makes arguments like the ones Fringe is satirizing, I always put up a picture of the "Free Idiot Test, $5" gag, because it fits the intelligence of the person making the argument.
hellsunicorn 6 months ago 22
I am commenting to make this video ever so marginally more popular.
Guest655321 6 months ago
i cant tell if this is a joke or not..
VaginosaurusRex 6 months ago
Lol Hetalia.
superlucci 6 months ago
WHAT A LOAD OF SHIT...YOUR FRIEND TOOK THE SHIT YOU BOUGHT WITH HIS MONEY BECAUSE IT BELONGED TO HIM...THE PRISONERS ATE THE FOOD BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO EAT OR DIE...SAME AS THE PEOPLE IN USSR...THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT..
DeathDOer01 6 months ago
@DeathDOer01
are you retarded?
SecularNumanist 6 months ago 3
@SecularNumanist YES...MUAHAHAHA...
DeathDOer01 6 months ago
@DeathDOer01 This is satire dude, you're preaching to the choir here.
hellsunicorn 6 months ago
@hellsunicorn i kinda thought it was...but there are alot of seriously screwed up people out there..soo...thanks for clearing that up for me ;p
DeathDOer01 6 months ago
@DeathDOer01 Don't be mad. I think this video is a joke, a sarcasm to statists.
Jaluzaga 6 months ago
@Jaluzaga yeah i just figured that out heehee..
DeathDOer01 6 months ago
@DeathDOer01
lol no sweat
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist ;-)
DeathDOer01 6 months ago
We get free roads. How silly of me. Yay.
CaptainOmarful 6 months ago
lol. did you see our comment exchange? he deleted one of my comments and blocked me twice.
to be fair i didnt use a very straightforward example of a taxless government. I showed him a source that had examples of free cities that existed prior to the formation of the nation state. but he complained that i didnt cite a single example of a taxless government!!!!!
SecularNumanist 6 months ago
@SecularNumanist
Don't worry, I got blocked too, otherwise I'd have made a video response.
Guncriminal 6 months ago
Hurhurhurhur gawsh ah lurbeee thuh fedurul gurrrburrrmint
GMoneyStillTippin420 6 months ago
i think individualists, libertarians, whatever...anyone with half a brain that see the state for what it really is, should try to form a community.
there are just too few of us, and we're all scattered around.
we dont need another hero (like the selfproclaimed hero, anders behring breivik).
we need to start being heard.
"my life has value, damnit!"
Carnei 6 months ago