When I was a kid I had Amiga and I think it's games were superior compared to PC at first. Then came Wolfenstein 3D which was a jaw dropper and Amiga had nothing like it. Later on I had to get PC because such games as DOOM etc. started to appear and Amiga really sucked at FPS-department... Good times.
The Amiga was doing in 1985 what it took the PC industry to do over 5+ years later. The Amiga was ahead of it's time, simple as that. Also, OS wise it took the PC industry over 10 years to introduce a true and decent multitasking OS with a GUI.
To this day with a decent CPU accelerator card you can do everything on Amiga that you can on a modern PC; general computing, music, video editing, classic gaming, general internet usage: browsing [non-flash], IRC, ftp, etc on classic Amigas. :)
It's funny that this video was made. Given that the Amiga only had about 500 games made for it and didn't change hardware wise, and yet at the start of the Amiga PC games had 4 colour CGA and beeps and by the end of the Amiga they had super VGA and Soundblaster Pro and had 5,000 games released!
Well I was a video game retailer at the peak of Amiga era, and had a good friend that worked for Reflections (Shadow of the beast etc) and virtually all your information is wrong.
WTF are you talking about? CGA?and 4 colour games? Amiga was 256 and 4096 colour modes from day one.... think you got Amiga and PC-DOS mixed up there.
Way to make a completely biased video - I could do the same and make the Amiga look like crap fairly easily. If you're going to do this stuff and want people to take it seriously you can't say stuff like "It had Roland sound support but no-one had that so it doesn't count" - or showing the crap version of Lost Patrol when a better version exists. After the first 3 videos I killed it...........
I agree with the guy below who points out there has always been better sound hardware on the PC and the one below that who says just because you can find better games doesn't been you have a better computer. Personally there doesn't seem like too much to separate them from this, if you want a comparison in which the difference in A/V is large then: /watch?v=dSE5LFdOtQI (Amiga) versus /watch?v=7_KFMSbnz3w (PC, DOS). How do you explain that?
@vapourmile There were two DOS versions of Dragon's Lair: a disk EGA one, and a later CD release.
It would be nice to have stats on how many people had what (hardware configs) per year. The game releases/year on Mobygames for DOS jumps around 1987, a few years earlier than I expected.
im guess what im trying to say, is there is no this machine is better than this one.
you'll find the odd thing done better on say music production on an atari, desk top publishing on a mac, better sound and scrolling in platform games in an amiga game.
but that dosent mean that they're not as capable.
if we take the zx spectrum for example, infinetly inferiour on every technical point to say a bbc micro, but overall it was the spectrum that produced the better development and standard of games
the orginal Amiga was superiour to everything on the market and expensive it didnt sell, for 2 years Mac & Atari st were the better choices for many.
Atari did deliver a blitter bit chip model in 87 same time as Amiga released their first consumer priced machine, but Atari was locked in to legacy support where Amiga wasnt, because the a1000 wasnt succesful
pc's were capable but relied on expensive add on's, hence why the games were designed for miniumum standards.
@electrictroy2010 You clearly don't know a lot about the Amiga and even if you are a electrical hardware engineer it doens't make a difference.... I can't get over how retarded that statement is, I could be a electrical hardware engineer as wel,
lastly you shouldn't take this so serious, it is a video about VIDEO GAMES for crying out loud.
@mohabiraq1 Your statement makes zero sense. The Amiga could do anything a PC or Mac could do, except it wasn't limited to 2 colors (mac), 16 colors (PC), or sounds that went "beep". I used my Amiga for watching videos, listening to music, or gaming but I ALSO used it for doing homework, calculations, and word processing
@electrictroy2010 Now and what the hell is "EHV" ? its Extra Half Brite,short EHB and it was barley used for games
The Amiga community has only found 6-8 games that used it so far and please name some games that were in 640X200 ? Zool and Switch blade 2 are both in 320X256 and has no border because those were designed for the Amiga originally unlike multi platform games like lemmings which uses 320X200 graphics by making the 56 pixel black thus the border.
@electrictroy2010 and 3, Yes NTSC OCS amiga's can do 640X200 without overscan why should I mention overscan ?
and you're really digging for something I also didn't say, "EHB and HAM (4068) modes are programming tricks" Now try to read and you'li read "I belive EHB and HAM (4068) modes are programming tricks", Im wasn't sure about that
Most PC games in early 90s supported Roland MT-32/LAPC-1, so if you were fortunate enough to own one (yes they were expensive, but so what :) ), you'd enjoy game music which was superior that you'd get on Amiga games. Search with the keyword MT-32 in Youtube.
If you had only a lowend Adlib or Soundblaster card, then yes they normally sounded quite tinny compared to the (IMHO scratchy) Amiga music.
Amigas were also cheaper and easier to use. I spent hours helping my friends get their stupid DOS games to work because they had to manually type in the IRQ and Interrupts of their soundblasters and configure the graphics. Or they were running too slow or too fast. Whereas on the Amiga you just inserted the disk and you were off :) It just worked!! The low res games looked better on TV's than on VGA monitors also. As VGA monitors just made them look really blocky. AMIGA FTW!!
Commodore = made perfect from day 1.. Microsoft = what do I need to buy now to make this game work, what does this say "new firmware available please download"... WTF?
Loved my Amigas (500 & 2000), no doubt about that. If you compared Ghosts´n Goblins on Amiga vs PC you could see an even more dramatic difference. BUT as soon as VGA and Soundblaster became available for the PC, Amiga´s demise became inevitable. Even if there have been thousands(!) of games available for the Amiga, very few(!) really rocked (come on, be honest to yourself...). The tons of Amiga-demos available back then - blowing you away back in 87 - also became more and more boring in the end
You know what's best? Having Amiga 500 and 486 together... for example: Lotus 3 is really better on PC(with GUS), but Dyna Blaster is much smoother on amiga ;)
If that is the case, it's due to bad research on my side, definitely not intentional.
Could you (or anyone else) link me to EGA screenshots of the games in question?
There are two games called Barbarian, and they're very different - the one in this video also known as "Death Sword"... just so no one links to the wrong game.
One thing I did mess up with though is - the ugly pink CGA palette is incorrect, it's what you get on modern cards.
Different time different system but still same graphical glimmery bullsh*t seriously isn't whole retro gaming idea ignoring all those nice graphic and concentrating in game itself.
Maybe retro gaming is about looking past the graphics to the gameplay, but back in the day graphics mattered a great deal to gamers, just as they do today.
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Also, keep in mind, these titles are running on an 8Mhz 68000. Even ugly EGA titles from '90 usually needed an 8+ Mhz 286, and many richly colored 386 titles needed a ~1500+$ 386DX/fast SX to run smoothly. Heck, Stunts ran a tad choppy even on my 386DX-40! The PC certainly pulled ahead, but only by using literally 10X or more CPU power + speedy SVGA cards. I call Amiga!
Hmm. I remember that even into the early 90's, many iconic PC games had putrid graphics. Most egregious were shareware titles from famous vendors such as Epic Megagames and Apogee. While they often had incredible play value, and many still stand up well in 2011, they're not as easy on the eyes as I'd like to remember. Through '93 or so, it was a fairly big deal for a shareware title to support *elegant* (not EGA w/ spitshine) VGA graphics AND Soundblaster synthesis.
@iviarko I think that after Google dominated the mobile market (Android), and with Chrome OS in the works, developers will be more tempted than before to go open-source and make Linux beat Windows once again.
@JackBandicootsBunker I don't think Google is "the good guy" in this movie... I think I'll stab us on the back at some point. And Chrome OS won't be an OS really, it's an OS based on a web-browser. It's so limited.
And I think that it Chome OS is the one who will beat MS, Linux doesn't win. Google wins, and we'll have another monopoly ruling the market.
Amiga is MUTCH better than Dos. And also, it is alot cheaper than a DOS PC. And also, it is a fact that you dont need to buy an ugly peace of shit "Bill Gates calls it Software" Named WINDOWS to get multitasking =D. Cool, huh?
Also to point out about when amiga games started looking inferior, that was because they were pretty much being pushed under by that point. The systems were superior, the smaller company just lost their push...
@sebamkfan The Amiga version is not VGA as VGA is a graphical standard on PCs which used either 16 or 256 colours on screen from a palette of 262,144 colours. The Amiga usually used either a 16 or 32 colour mode and in some instances even more colours in games from a palette of 4096 colours. This game was released in 1987 when there were no VGA games out for the PC. It could of been in EGA but as far as I know there was only a CGA version released.
@sebamkfan I agree they do look very different but unfortunatly for the PC before 1990 games did tend to look worse than the Amiga counterparts. I believe this video is just comparing games from a specific period and when games like barbarian was released PC games at best used only EGA graphics which looked worse than the Amiga versions. Cant compare the Amiga version to another version that doesnt exist.
@sebamkfan Acually, many comparisions are fair to compare for alot. Especially for example the defender of the crown which I bring up. The hardware profile and OS of the amiga allowed it to be lower cost, but performance superior by getting more from a less advanced processor. I could take, and do have and have done so, two computers, one amiga and one ibm from the same era. The IBM costs more, but does not even compare. This is early amiga, late 80s.
Right off the bat you use an Amiga developer with an Amiga game and a PC port. I think that shows where you are coming from right off the bat, despite what you say about loving both!
Windows, in 1987, had nothing to do with fixing DOS. You are thinking of OS/2, the joint project between MS and IBM to create a next generation PC OS. MS bailed out in favor of Windows soon after they put the ability to run Win 3.1 apps in OS/2. In 1987, Windows was just a GUI that ran on top of DOS. Most people were still running plain DOS at that time. Windows didn't really take off until 3.0, and 3.1 was better. But Windows didn't become its own OS until Win 95.
some of those games did not use the EGA...if they came out after 1984, they should have used it, because EGA came out for the IBM PC/AT in 1984. EGA graphics are far superior to CGA. more resolution and more color. :)
i could cry just looking at this.. i'm overcome with nostalgia. i kind of miss the magic of those days where 6 pixels could represent a burning spaceship about to crash into a square planet. with never games i don't feel half as immersed as i did back then, oh the joys of being a little kid
Amiga may have out-performed PC-DOS, but the biggest problem, especially for Canadians, was that I have never seen an Amiga computer being sold in any stores! When my dad finally decided to buy a computer for us, I remember only seeing PC-DOS and Apple computers! We went with a PC because that's what everyone else had. I only started hearing about Amiga many years later when some BBS Telnet friends were telling me Amiga were better, but still no Canadian stores carried any. Too bad. :(
new amiga coming out soon! check it out - search for amiga x1000 in your favourite search engine! can't wait to see this beast in action... just a few more months to go! xD
Wow, Amiga versions pwn every time. It was actually that way with most games. Not sure if there were versions of every game timppa000 mentioned but I doubt they were much worse on Amiga.
@MasterOrHan1 no they was ideal , monkey island 2 was limited to the fact the amiga 500 only had 512K memory to store animations and no harddrive and couldnt leave them out, if it was developed for the higher end amigas which prob cost less then a pc anyway prob be a diffrent story, but for practicality i dont think it was bad , an expensive blob of 70s terminals with fans all over it and crappy OS or an amiga for me i choose the amiga was only 300 quid and that was the point really heh
Not amiga 500 have 32 colors in game (sometimes 64 colors like simon the sorcerer) , 4096 colors is HAM mode maybe "only" in static image; dungeon master have 16 colrs like ST version... Lotus II amiga have only better music.
@MrPowerring Hmmm... you won't be winning any prizes for making persuasive arguments with this kind of talk, and just to level out your technical facts there... VGA was 256 colours on screen from a palette of over a quarter a million. The Amiga 4096 colour HAM mode is actually based on a 16-colour screen but with the ability to randomly choose an substitute value for one of the RGB values per pixel instead of using the 16-colour LUT, it's not nearly as good as 12-bit 4096 colour.
uh.. why compare a game with CGA graphics to an amiga version.. makes a lot of sense.. only smart thing with this vid is to see some old games and maybe remember some of them that one has already forgot about. Cheers, for that.
as gaming houses and hw producers got involved in pc gaming market, it became cheaper and more attractive than amiga, just compare f1 grand prix from microprose and you get it
do you remember a scrolling starship fighter game with M and B bomb looking things with a claw coming out 2 grab it? i've been looking for it but can't seem 2 find it i miss that game if you know i'd be super happy!!!
Good video! I remember having an A500 and my dad had a 386 33MHz (almost 5X faster!) and the games just sucked compared to the wonderful Amiga! Even today I'm very impressed by Commodore to build such a cheap and good computer back in 1987!
The main difference in Lost Patrol is that on PC version soldier on video move from left to right and on Amiga version , he moves from right to left. I prefer right to left, so Amiga wins. And seriously , music is much better on Amiga , and the graphics are sometimes better on Amiga games, but now always ( for example Lotus looks the same on both machines ).
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Only such games have been selected for this video that did indeed look better on Amiga, mostly because it was the original platform for them like all the Cinemaware stuff. How would it have looked if e.g. Wing Commander, Red Baron, Monkey Island 2, Day ot the Tentacle etc. were shown here? Far superior on PC, especially the music with Roland MT-32/LAPC-1 which I still own by the way. :-)
It is funny how much better the Roland music in e.g. PC SpeedBall 2 sounds compared to the Amiga version.
@timppa000 Ok, but souncards were hell expensive then. Amiga had great sound right from the box and It was A500 (1987). Monkey Island has been released in 1992 and Amiga version (like most 90's games) were optimised to run on an old, plain A500 (1MB of RAM) without harddrive. So if someone had A500 in mid 90's could play the new games like Worms (1995) for example. That was the advantage.
@timppa000 : The problem with your approach is the time those machines were produced. PC games caught with Amiga versions after "cheap" VGA options, "hi quality&cheap" sound cards and 50 Mhz 486's with 8MB Ram as standard became available.
The Amiga fell behind because of the DD Floppy Drive, bad marketing that lead to people not ditching their A500s for A1200s, no harddrive as standard and the missing flicker fixer.
You can not compare games that were made for 90's PC's with 80's Amiga's.
Nice edit.
aki0jp 2 weeks ago
When I was a kid I had Amiga and I think it's games were superior compared to PC at first. Then came Wolfenstein 3D which was a jaw dropper and Amiga had nothing like it. Later on I had to get PC because such games as DOOM etc. started to appear and Amiga really sucked at FPS-department... Good times.
YouStubid 2 weeks ago
El winter games de pc es clavado al de MSX.
Ralph007es 3 weeks ago
The Amiga was doing in 1985 what it took the PC industry to do over 5+ years later. The Amiga was ahead of it's time, simple as that. Also, OS wise it took the PC industry over 10 years to introduce a true and decent multitasking OS with a GUI.
To this day with a decent CPU accelerator card you can do everything on Amiga that you can on a modern PC; general computing, music, video editing, classic gaming, general internet usage: browsing [non-flash], IRC, ftp, etc on classic Amigas. :)
Chaniyth 1 month ago 2
Amiga was generally better until about the early-mid 90's, when DOS games began to equal then surpass the by then defunct Commodore.
Also, the Amiga had better games, again until the rise of 3d games.
Vebinz 1 month ago
if only the amiga moved with times more, we would see probably better games out now
Robertdub2006 1 month ago
It's funny that this video was made. Given that the Amiga only had about 500 games made for it and didn't change hardware wise, and yet at the start of the Amiga PC games had 4 colour CGA and beeps and by the end of the Amiga they had super VGA and Soundblaster Pro and had 5,000 games released!
HardWarUK 1 month ago
@HardWarUK 500 games? you are joking right?
adhvideos 1 week ago
@adhvideos Yup, less than 500 commercial games written for it the rest wer conversions and shareware
HardWarUK 1 week ago
@HardWarUK
You don't seem to know much about the Amiga at all, 500 games?? Where did you get that from? In any case, it's very much incorrect.
laffer35 1 week ago
@laffer35 Was a games publisher of Amiga and PC games from 1991 to 1997!
HardWarUK 1 week ago
@HardWarUK
OK, but google it and you'll find you're wrong about this.
Are you living in the US, maybe? The Amiga was much, much less popular there.
laffer35 1 week ago
@HardWarUK more then 500 were made.... thats so untrue.... what about pre 1991....
0zfer 1 week ago
@HardWarUK
Well I was a video game retailer at the peak of Amiga era, and had a good friend that worked for Reflections (Shadow of the beast etc) and virtually all your information is wrong.
HighwayUK 6 days ago
@HardWarUK
Thats full of shit, I had over 5000 amiga games when I sold mine in the mid 90's
HighwayUK 6 days ago
@HardWarUK
WTF are you talking about? CGA?and 4 colour games? Amiga was 256 and 4096 colour modes from day one.... think you got Amiga and PC-DOS mixed up there.
HighwayUK 6 days ago
@HighwayUK
Opps I mean Amiga was 32/64 and 4096 colour modes at the original launch... newer ones like the 1200 had 256 colour.
HighwayUK 6 days ago
@HardWarUK
Amiga used a dedicated 4 channel audio card that dumped on the PC ones till late 90's, again you very mixed up there.... Soundblaster was PC only.
HighwayUK 6 days ago
Way to make a completely biased video - I could do the same and make the Amiga look like crap fairly easily. If you're going to do this stuff and want people to take it seriously you can't say stuff like "It had Roland sound support but no-one had that so it doesn't count" - or showing the crap version of Lost Patrol when a better version exists. After the first 3 videos I killed it...........
pcretrogamer 2 months ago
Amiga POWNDS
drkamilz 4 months ago
I agree with the guy below who points out there has always been better sound hardware on the PC and the one below that who says just because you can find better games doesn't been you have a better computer. Personally there doesn't seem like too much to separate them from this, if you want a comparison in which the difference in A/V is large then: /watch?v=dSE5LFdOtQI (Amiga) versus /watch?v=7_KFMSbnz3w (PC, DOS). How do you explain that?
vapourmile 4 months ago
@vapourmile There were two DOS versions of Dragon's Lair: a disk EGA one, and a later CD release.
It would be nice to have stats on how many people had what (hardware configs) per year. The game releases/year on Mobygames for DOS jumps around 1987, a few years earlier than I expected.
johannbock 4 months ago
Amiga blows the Piece of Crap out of the water!
hailherrosner 4 months ago
Y no crysis?!?!!?
PwnforceFrank 4 months ago
in many instance and the game babarian would be a good example, the pc game's are arguably a lot worse than babarian on a zx 48k spectrum.
now to say a zx spectrum was superiour to an extremely expensive ibm pc, is frankly ridiculous.
some things are more important than the sheer technical spec on paper, and for a pc it limitations commercialy were.
1. varying and differing standards of hardware.
2. expensive cost of component cards
3. the market they were in (ie it wasnt in a gamers market)
cant1rac 4 months ago
im guess what im trying to say, is there is no this machine is better than this one.
you'll find the odd thing done better on say music production on an atari, desk top publishing on a mac, better sound and scrolling in platform games in an amiga game.
but that dosent mean that they're not as capable.
if we take the zx spectrum for example, infinetly inferiour on every technical point to say a bbc micro, but overall it was the spectrum that produced the better development and standard of games
cant1rac 4 months ago
which is better is subjective?
the orginal Amiga was superiour to everything on the market and expensive it didnt sell, for 2 years Mac & Atari st were the better choices for many.
Atari did deliver a blitter bit chip model in 87 same time as Amiga released their first consumer priced machine, but Atari was locked in to legacy support where Amiga wasnt, because the a1000 wasnt succesful
pc's were capable but relied on expensive add on's, hence why the games were designed for miniumum standards.
cant1rac 4 months ago
Wings of Fury... HELL YEAH! One of my fav's back at Amiga days! :)
Piqus3 5 months ago
still, pc outlast amiga anyway
espritdautomne 5 months ago
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electrictroy2010 5 months ago
@electrictroy2010 You clearly don't know a lot about the Amiga and even if you are a electrical hardware engineer it doens't make a difference.... I can't get over how retarded that statement is, I could be a electrical hardware engineer as wel,
lastly you shouldn't take this so serious, it is a video about VIDEO GAMES for crying out loud.
janmansde3dede 5 months ago
I know 'death sword' as barbarian as well.
Yeebok 6 months ago
well i think amiga was more to gaming system than a multi-purposes computer.
mohabiraq1 6 months ago
@mohabiraq1 No. Back when PCs were time slicing, the Amiga was preemptively multitasking. You could run several dos boxes without problem.
Yeebok 6 months ago
@Yeebok I said multi purposes not multi tasking.
mohabiraq1 6 months ago
@mohabiraq1 Your statement makes zero sense. The Amiga could do anything a PC or Mac could do, except it wasn't limited to 2 colors (mac), 16 colors (PC), or sounds that went "beep". I used my Amiga for watching videos, listening to music, or gaming but I ALSO used it for doing homework, calculations, and word processing
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I did not need a PC or Mac. The Amiga did it all
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electrictroy2010 5 months ago 2
@electrictroy2010 Now and what the hell is "EHV" ? its Extra Half Brite,short EHB and it was barley used for games
The Amiga community has only found 6-8 games that used it so far and please name some games that were in 640X200 ? Zool and Switch blade 2 are both in 320X256 and has no border because those were designed for the Amiga originally unlike multi platform games like lemmings which uses 320X200 graphics by making the 56 pixel black thus the border.
janmansde3dede 5 months ago
@electrictroy2010 Next you even got the resolutions wrong, there isn't a 640X240 mode but PAL amiga's has 640X256 and NTSC Amiga's has 640X200,
But if someone actually gets things around then you shoudn't act like he's/she's a moron anyway.
janmansde3dede 6 months ago
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electrictroy2010 5 months ago
@electrictroy2010 Words can't describe how fucking pathetic you are,
1 you're calling me a dipshit for what ? a comment that wasn't offensive ? a war that has ENDED 15 YEARS ago ?
2 electrical hardware engineer? my ass, someone who is a electrical hardware engineer should know to do some research and post normal comments
janmansde3dede 5 months ago
@electrictroy2010 and 3, Yes NTSC OCS amiga's can do 640X200 without overscan why should I mention overscan ?
and you're really digging for something I also didn't say, "EHB and HAM (4068) modes are programming tricks" Now try to read and you'li read "I belive EHB and HAM (4068) modes are programming tricks", Im wasn't sure about that
janmansde3dede 5 months ago
@janmansde3dede >>>"there isn't a 640X240 mode"
Yeah there is. It's called vertical overscan. 200 standard and 240 overscan.
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electrictroy2010 4 months ago
1980s/ early 90s PC audio is such shit. It sounds almost as bad at the old Atari VCS/ 2600 from the 70s
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electrictroy2010 6 months ago 6
@electrictroy2010
Most PC games in early 90s supported Roland MT-32/LAPC-1, so if you were fortunate enough to own one (yes they were expensive, but so what :) ), you'd enjoy game music which was superior that you'd get on Amiga games. Search with the keyword MT-32 in Youtube.
If you had only a lowend Adlib or Soundblaster card, then yes they normally sounded quite tinny compared to the (IMHO scratchy) Amiga music.
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@electrictroy2010 Atari is offended by those words
itrabos 3 weeks ago
better sound and better grafik amiga 500 R.I.P.
Chukyka 6 months ago 3
Amigas were also cheaper and easier to use. I spent hours helping my friends get their stupid DOS games to work because they had to manually type in the IRQ and Interrupts of their soundblasters and configure the graphics. Or they were running too slow or too fast. Whereas on the Amiga you just inserted the disk and you were off :) It just worked!! The low res games looked better on TV's than on VGA monitors also. As VGA monitors just made them look really blocky. AMIGA FTW!!
onlineamiga 7 months ago 2
no u dont u blatantly prefer amiga :-)
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FailWorld1 7 months ago
Commodore = made perfect from day 1.. Microsoft = what do I need to buy now to make this game work, what does this say "new firmware available please download"... WTF?
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ah the amiga, the first computer i played on with my dad
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tyciollovesme 7 months ago
The only games I remember that were better on the PC are Syndicate and Dune 2 and perhaps Dune 1, if you have the CD version.
rattle23 7 months ago
@scarybozo True, but EGA is still uglier than OCE/ECS, let alone AGA.
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Loved my Amigas (500 & 2000), no doubt about that. If you compared Ghosts´n Goblins on Amiga vs PC you could see an even more dramatic difference. BUT as soon as VGA and Soundblaster became available for the PC, Amiga´s demise became inevitable. Even if there have been thousands(!) of games available for the Amiga, very few(!) really rocked (come on, be honest to yourself...). The tons of Amiga-demos available back then - blowing you away back in 87 - also became more and more boring in the end
blablupp77 8 months ago 4
Meet my 1988 olivetti 286 with tseng vga card
turboturbine666 8 months ago
Prepare to DAAAA
remyronko 9 months ago
Neo Geo rulez???? ahahahahahahahhahha very funny :)
WiZkiDDRM 9 months ago
You know what's best? Having Amiga 500 and 486 together... for example: Lotus 3 is really better on PC(with GUS), but Dyna Blaster is much smoother on amiga ;)
KubaPSP 9 months ago
@KubaPSP Every time someone mentions Gravis UltraSound, an angel gets its wings. :-) Thanks for the flashback!
Datan0de 9 months ago
çok teşekkürler.. amiga harbiden pc yi döverdi o zamanlar.. ama ya şimdi :(
thanks from turkey ;)
sammy55tr 9 months ago
Amazing what sort of difference there used to be between these. Back when TV-consoles where high end computers.
Greatest difference is really how much better the Amiga sound chip is compared to the Soundblaster.
danternas 10 months ago
amiga is the winner in my book
toxicgamesorg 10 months ago
I always thought amiga sound was pretty crappy (grew up on the apple iigs), but compared to dos.... wow. Amiga FTW!
BrianPicchi 10 months ago
@BrianPicchi To quote wikipedia:
"Bob Yannes, creator of the SID synthesizer chip used in the Commodore 64, went on to design the Ensoniq 5503 DOC synthesizer used in the Apple IIgs."
No wonder your IIgs sounded that good. A Ex-commodore engineer did the chip ;-)
moijk 9 months ago
thank you laffer35 this really brings back good memories. put some more if you will...
philDsub 10 months ago
@scarybozo regardless of the resolution the Amiga still kicked the pc's ass.
166beads 10 months ago
Never knew Lotus Turbo Challenge III stole the music from Zool! Or was it the other way round?
H2Hardcore 10 months ago
@H2Hardcore Patrick Phelan created the music for both games. Lotus 3 came after Zool though.
BenBayliss7 10 months ago
@scarybozo
If that is the case, it's due to bad research on my side, definitely not intentional.
Could you (or anyone else) link me to EGA screenshots of the games in question?
There are two games called Barbarian, and they're very different - the one in this video also known as "Death Sword"... just so no one links to the wrong game.
One thing I did mess up with though is - the ugly pink CGA palette is incorrect, it's what you get on modern cards.
laffer35 10 months ago
Makes me cry, seeing how far the Amiga was ahead of everyone and now it's not even in existence.
Computing has been pushed back by atleast 5-10 years thanks to MS and Apple.
Hope they are proud.
snake2006 11 months ago
LOL actually you could probably make a C-64 vs PC comparison with these games, and the PC will still lose to the might of Commodore.
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dejanmajstor41 1 month ago
awesome
Kimsjovoll 11 months ago
Up untill the release of DooM on the PC, Amiga was THE home computer for games.
Alevamltd 11 months ago
Different time different system but still same graphical glimmery bullsh*t seriously isn't whole retro gaming idea ignoring all those nice graphic and concentrating in game itself.
Mikael404 11 months ago
@Mikael404
Maybe retro gaming is about looking past the graphics to the gameplay, but back in the day graphics mattered a great deal to gamers, just as they do today.
dfendr93 11 months ago
@Mikael404 No dude, graphics play a big part.
The Amiga had graphics in spades.
bubbamc119 11 months ago
Only amiga makes it possible!
andreyjardim 11 months ago
From witch game comes music in the beginning?
666hotfix 11 months ago
@666hotfix
That's the intro music to the game Lotus Esprit Turbo Challenge 3
PodeCoet 11 months ago
@666hotfix Lotus Turbo 3
shadowSchmoo 11 months ago
From witch game comes music in the beginning?
666hotfix 11 months ago
However you PC fans agree with me or not,
There is one thing we all Atari ST, Amiga and PC fans can agree on,
F*** THE SNES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
janmansde3dede 11 months ago
Before reading this, I luv Amiga & PC and have respect for every system/hardware ever made (with one exception)
Im surprised that nobody mentions the Amiga's high Resolution of 320X256
as suposed to VGA's 320X200 (notice the car in lotus 3),
and the Amiga was never limited by 32 colors
Fire & ice, jim power and lionheart all (and plenty more) exceeds 180 colors and there is even a point & click by core that uses 256 colors !
So really OCS and VGA where even till SVGA,
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heartrendingbodi 1 year ago
When the old amiga games had music, some of the games had great music :D.
evilsoshi 1 year ago
Hmm, dunno why I always thought Winter Games on PC had either EGA or PCJr/Tandy graphics as an option too.
qahtani 1 year ago
I just bought a 2000 dollar gaming comp. What I should have done was buy an Amiga.
gregisfreestyle 1 year ago
Also, keep in mind, these titles are running on an 8Mhz 68000. Even ugly EGA titles from '90 usually needed an 8+ Mhz 286, and many richly colored 386 titles needed a ~1500+$ 386DX/fast SX to run smoothly. Heck, Stunts ran a tad choppy even on my 386DX-40! The PC certainly pulled ahead, but only by using literally 10X or more CPU power + speedy SVGA cards. I call Amiga!
Manimal347 1 year ago
Hmm. I remember that even into the early 90's, many iconic PC games had putrid graphics. Most egregious were shareware titles from famous vendors such as Epic Megagames and Apogee. While they often had incredible play value, and many still stand up well in 2011, they're not as easy on the eyes as I'd like to remember. Through '93 or so, it was a fairly big deal for a shareware title to support *elegant* (not EGA w/ spitshine) VGA graphics AND Soundblaster synthesis.
Manimal347 1 year ago
Amiga was superius than Pc and now, PC is superius than consoles
1981mdm 1 year ago
Amiga rules :)
TCSTigersClaw 1 year ago
The amiga was so superior.
We'd be so much better off if it had survived to this day.
NeoHoshi 1 year ago
Try 'Heimdall'
NicollBolas 1 year ago
Why did the boss of commodore have to go and spend all the company profits on crack? :(
EvilMuppet1979 1 year ago
Somehow, Microshit always wins. Like now, Linux it's much better, but Windows rules the world. Maybe because there's a mafia behind Microshit.
iviarko 1 year ago
@iviarko I think that after Google dominated the mobile market (Android), and with Chrome OS in the works, developers will be more tempted than before to go open-source and make Linux beat Windows once again.
JackBandicootsBunker 1 year ago
@JackBandicootsBunker I don't think Google is "the good guy" in this movie... I think I'll stab us on the back at some point. And Chrome OS won't be an OS really, it's an OS based on a web-browser. It's so limited.
And I think that it Chome OS is the one who will beat MS, Linux doesn't win. Google wins, and we'll have another monopoly ruling the market.
iviarko 1 year ago
@iviarko But I consider a Linux-based monopoly much better than Windows...
In fact, there's no good guy inside this movie. Neither Commodore and AMIGA were good guys either.
JackBandicootsBunker 1 year ago
@JackBandicootsBunker No doubt about that :)
But between MS and Commodore, I think we all choose Commodore.
iviarko 1 year ago
@iviarko Of course ;)
JackBandicootsBunker 1 year ago
I feel like taking a shower after seeing and ESPECIALLY hearing(or 'not hearing' in many cases) the PC versions.......
surfitlive 1 year ago
Amiga is MUTCH better than Dos. And also, it is alot cheaper than a DOS PC. And also, it is a fact that you dont need to buy an ugly peace of shit "Bill Gates calls it Software" Named WINDOWS to get multitasking =D. Cool, huh?
merkur32123 1 year ago
Also to point out about when amiga games started looking inferior, that was because they were pretty much being pushed under by that point. The systems were superior, the smaller company just lost their push...
Oh, and X1000 soon!
kwkiller 1 year ago
Amiga all the way
RomeoKGT 1 year ago
I want to play Lotus 3 now
psychonaut25 1 year ago
Nice video.. at the time the Amiga was by far the better games machine. :)
abstractT 1 year ago
DOS games look like kids game!
PuksisKissa 1 year ago 2
how can you compare barbarian? Pc version is CGA graphics and AMIGA version is VGA
sebamkfan 1 year ago
@sebamkfan The Amiga version is not VGA as VGA is a graphical standard on PCs which used either 16 or 256 colours on screen from a palette of 262,144 colours. The Amiga usually used either a 16 or 32 colour mode and in some instances even more colours in games from a palette of 4096 colours. This game was released in 1987 when there were no VGA games out for the PC. It could of been in EGA but as far as I know there was only a CGA version released.
Sipie007 1 year ago
@Sipie007 interesting, but still, graphically both versions are really different, is not fair to compare both version of that game
sebamkfan 1 year ago
@sebamkfan I agree they do look very different but unfortunatly for the PC before 1990 games did tend to look worse than the Amiga counterparts. I believe this video is just comparing games from a specific period and when games like barbarian was released PC games at best used only EGA graphics which looked worse than the Amiga versions. Cant compare the Amiga version to another version that doesnt exist.
Sipie007 1 year ago
@Sipie007 well that is true
sebamkfan 1 year ago
@sebamkfan Acually, many comparisions are fair to compare for alot. Especially for example the defender of the crown which I bring up. The hardware profile and OS of the amiga allowed it to be lower cost, but performance superior by getting more from a less advanced processor. I could take, and do have and have done so, two computers, one amiga and one ibm from the same era. The IBM costs more, but does not even compare. This is early amiga, late 80s.
kwkiller 1 year ago
@kwkiller hey you have a good point
sebamkfan 1 year ago
I personally think this video should be renamed to say Amiga VS PC (DOS) games 1987 - 1991
Sipie007 1 year ago
barbarian pc version sucs
gabormichaelj 1 year ago
Why always with the EGA graphics for PC? VGA or SVGA FTW! :D
Ky0l 1 year ago
Dos games where mostly ported from old machines for example the spectrum so of course some games are going to be better on the Amiga
Amiga should bring out a new machine
aove17 1 year ago
Right off the bat you use an Amiga developer with an Amiga game and a PC port. I think that shows where you are coming from right off the bat, despite what you say about loving both!
HardWarUK 1 year ago
Windows, in 1987, had nothing to do with fixing DOS. You are thinking of OS/2, the joint project between MS and IBM to create a next generation PC OS. MS bailed out in favor of Windows soon after they put the ability to run Win 3.1 apps in OS/2. In 1987, Windows was just a GUI that ran on top of DOS. Most people were still running plain DOS at that time. Windows didn't really take off until 3.0, and 3.1 was better. But Windows didn't become its own OS until Win 95.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
OS/2 came out at the time also, intended for PS/2 and the PC/AT.
neutrino78x 1 year ago
some of those games did not use the EGA...if they came out after 1984, they should have used it, because EGA came out for the IBM PC/AT in 1984. EGA graphics are far superior to CGA. more resolution and more color. :)
neutrino78x 1 year ago
The duck grunts on Duck Tales sound dirty on the Amiga version.
ifedthehorse 1 year ago
lotus3 ftw
kinmanyuen 1 year ago
Only Amiga makes it possible :D
francisfromlfd 1 year ago
PC: people voted with their wallets; let's buy cheap soundblaster/only beeper, and forget the pro stuff.
ZZombyWooff 1 year ago
sorry, im writing in german..
wenn commodore seinerzeit nicht durch ihre firmenpolitik pleite gegangen wäre,
wäre der pc heute noch eine reine büro maschine!!!
we could have an amiga 5k actually, better than any pentium quadcore....
R.I.P. commodore....
Striker2971 1 year ago
my mint condition A4000 040 is on eBay now.
happy bidding
duckgeezer 1 year ago
AMIGA FOREVER....
I had all the pc but when i took my first AMIGA
i through out all the pc....
AMIGA it was the best...
DimitrisAlexopoulos 1 year ago
i could cry just looking at this.. i'm overcome with nostalgia. i kind of miss the magic of those days where 6 pixels could represent a burning spaceship about to crash into a square planet. with never games i don't feel half as immersed as i did back then, oh the joys of being a little kid
SqoundreL 1 year ago
@SqoundreL neWer
SqoundreL 1 year ago
Amiga may have out-performed PC-DOS, but the biggest problem, especially for Canadians, was that I have never seen an Amiga computer being sold in any stores! When my dad finally decided to buy a computer for us, I remember only seeing PC-DOS and Apple computers! We went with a PC because that's what everyone else had. I only started hearing about Amiga many years later when some BBS Telnet friends were telling me Amiga were better, but still no Canadian stores carried any. Too bad. :(
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djrikki2008 1 year ago 2
omg stuntcar racer on pc , the spectrum version ran faster then that heh
flibflop 1 year ago
Wow, Amiga versions pwn every time. It was actually that way with most games. Not sure if there were versions of every game timppa000 mentioned but I doubt they were much worse on Amiga.
MasterOrHan1 1 year ago
@MasterOrHan1 no they was ideal , monkey island 2 was limited to the fact the amiga 500 only had 512K memory to store animations and no harddrive and couldnt leave them out, if it was developed for the higher end amigas which prob cost less then a pc anyway prob be a diffrent story, but for practicality i dont think it was bad , an expensive blob of 70s terminals with fans all over it and crappy OS or an amiga for me i choose the amiga was only 300 quid and that was the point really heh
flibflop 1 year ago
@flibflop Amiga was ahead of it's time
MasterOrHan1 1 year ago
compare the games now on PC VS AMIGA:))) i will laugh so hard.
ADELINKKK 1 year ago
Amiga versions won all the way
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
Not amiga 500 have 32 colors in game (sometimes 64 colors like simon the sorcerer) , 4096 colors is HAM mode maybe "only" in static image; dungeon master have 16 colrs like ST version... Lotus II amiga have only better music.
Laurent8192 1 year ago
I had a 486dx and an amiga 1200..I don't need to say which was better because this video says it all! Great job laffer!
iTalented 1 year ago
The pc versions were a pig vomit 256 colors. The amiga was 4096 colors.... HAm graphics and stereo sound. No contest. Amiga>PC.
MrPowerring 1 year ago
@MrPowerring Hmmm... you won't be winning any prizes for making persuasive arguments with this kind of talk, and just to level out your technical facts there... VGA was 256 colours on screen from a palette of over a quarter a million. The Amiga 4096 colour HAM mode is actually based on a 16-colour screen but with the ability to randomly choose an substitute value for one of the RGB values per pixel instead of using the 16-colour LUT, it's not nearly as good as 12-bit 4096 colour.
vapourmile 11 months ago
I loved the Amiga. I still got My ones and they still work, hehe.
NBF27 1 year ago
Amiga rulezz
ematech 1 year ago
WE GET IT, AMIGA WAS BETTER! it's all over now... times have changed.. :-[
dogzer 1 year ago
uh.. why compare a game with CGA graphics to an amiga version.. makes a lot of sense.. only smart thing with this vid is to see some old games and maybe remember some of them that one has already forgot about. Cheers, for that.
prowokator 1 year ago
lol DOS was failing to create decent sound.
BranislavDJ 1 year ago
It's not even close
AdurianJ 1 year ago
nice upload. i don't wanna make conclusion. i wish i have had an amiga.
reygood1 1 year ago
DOS Game were using the PC Booter 5.25 disk until 1990.
SuperDave341 1 year ago
as gaming houses and hw producers got involved in pc gaming market, it became cheaper and more attractive than amiga, just compare f1 grand prix from microprose and you get it
margherito 1 year ago
Амига рулезззззз!!!!!!!
Pashancha 1 year ago
do you remember a scrolling starship fighter game with M and B bomb looking things with a claw coming out 2 grab it? i've been looking for it but can't seem 2 find it i miss that game if you know i'd be super happy!!!
Cruelidea69 1 year ago
Good video! I remember having an A500 and my dad had a 386 33MHz (almost 5X faster!) and the games just sucked compared to the wonderful Amiga! Even today I'm very impressed by Commodore to build such a cheap and good computer back in 1987!
fredrik999z 1 year ago
main problem with pc abandonware is soundcard issues, if you CAN get the games to run.
but from the 90's onwards I'd go with the PC cuz of the VGA graphics, IF you can get the sound to work :)
BornOmniscient 1 year ago
The main difference in Lost Patrol is that on PC version soldier on video move from left to right and on Amiga version , he moves from right to left. I prefer right to left, so Amiga wins. And seriously , music is much better on Amiga , and the graphics are sometimes better on Amiga games, but now always ( for example Lotus looks the same on both machines ).
vwrafi 1 year ago
Amiga500 was a brilliant system! Good times
LAMEIRAS360 1 year ago
OMG what a difference!!
smoke9206 1 year ago
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Only such games have been selected for this video that did indeed look better on Amiga, mostly because it was the original platform for them like all the Cinemaware stuff. How would it have looked if e.g. Wing Commander, Red Baron, Monkey Island 2, Day ot the Tentacle etc. were shown here? Far superior on PC, especially the music with Roland MT-32/LAPC-1 which I still own by the way. :-)
It is funny how much better the Roland music in e.g. PC SpeedBall 2 sounds compared to the Amiga version.
timppa000 1 year ago
@timppa000 "A little video I made just for fun. Don't take it too seriously"
-_^
RetroRepair 1 year ago
@timppa000 Ok, but souncards were hell expensive then. Amiga had great sound right from the box and It was A500 (1987). Monkey Island has been released in 1992 and Amiga version (like most 90's games) were optimised to run on an old, plain A500 (1MB of RAM) without harddrive. So if someone had A500 in mid 90's could play the new games like Worms (1995) for example. That was the advantage.
Scumkill2 1 year ago
@timppa000
Some Amiga games also support the MT-32 :)
laffer35 1 year ago
@timppa000 : The problem with your approach is the time those machines were produced. PC games caught with Amiga versions after "cheap" VGA options, "hi quality&cheap" sound cards and 50 Mhz 486's with 8MB Ram as standard became available.
The Amiga fell behind because of the DD Floppy Drive, bad marketing that lead to people not ditching their A500s for A1200s, no harddrive as standard and the missing flicker fixer.
You can not compare games that were made for 90's PC's with 80's Amiga's.
ancalimonungol 1 year ago
@timppa000 One to One Amiga Hardware are superior almost 5 years!!
Not all people can handle in 1992 a PC with SoundCard and powerful graphics like that, on PC are much expensive to do that.
nopochoclos 1 year ago
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HEY GUYS FUCK ALL AMIGA AMIGOS FUCK OFF
Gangsterimc 1 year ago
Thanks for the video. I had Amiga 500+ and then it was also golden time for PC games on DOS.
Alamar3 1 year ago